NS 3737 And The Great Central Connection

[@azuma892]

Hornby should make British export locos under their international brands. People modelling British stuff will buy them as novelties, and they should get enough people buying in the country they operated in as well. Not a bad business strategy.

[@newobanproductions]

They used to in the past purely under the Hornby Railways name and was pretty heavy in Australia/New Zealand. Most of the time, it was reused toolings like the BR Class 43 to make the XPT (which is correct. They're licenced Aussie copies) and BR Class 31 to make the NSWGR 442 class (which look nothing like each other), but some new-tools were made including a Bo-Bo double-ended streamlined diesel-electric clearly based on the VR B class (a licenced EMD built by Clyde Engineering) and the "NSW Suburban", which Sydneysiders would refer to as a "Red Rattler"(specifically the "Sputnik" built 1957-60). However since the 1980s, they just stopped making any foreign traction even in their international brands and this could be either because of cost reasons, not enough demand or someone has beaten them to it. with the latter, see Bachmann Europe doing the ROD 2-8-0, which the only three left are in Australia (which the Richmond Vale modellers keep snapping up. Took me 2 years before I managed to snap one up, even if the bugger took AU$365 of my own pocket) and Dapol making Australian Iron & Steel's 'Wallaby'.

[@Mason58654]

It sure would be neat if they made American 🇺🇸 engines built for Britain 🇬🇧

[@newobanproductions]

@@Mason58654 Heljan has that kind of covered as they've done Lyn, a 2-4-2T built for the Lynton & Barnstable Railway by Baldwin in 1898, for OO9 gauge (narrow gauge for OO gauge. Uses same track gauge as N scale). This is followed by Bachmann making the USATC S100 0-6-0T for Model Rail and finally the under development USATC S160 2-8-0 by Rapido Trains UK. As for other American-built locomotives for the UK, the "Yankee Moguls" have most of their drawings lost to history and there isn't really a market for them at the moment. In my opinion, model manufacturers should clear their release backlogs first as we have models running late, very late.

[@TheHoveHeretic]

​@@Mason58654There are a *lot* more North American locos here these days .... with over 500 units the "Sheds" (UK Class 66) outnumber even the Class 47 as the largest mainline class since steam days (though outnumbered by the Class 08 shunter and it's derivatives)

[@ThatScottishAtlantic57]

1:21 NBDS 4.6.0 mentioned. Automatically makes this a great video.

[@wiltothecollector4420]

You're quite correct with your guess of the GCR 8F, Paul Henken mentioned the class 8F specifically being the inspiration for the later 3500s in his book

[@MeneerEnMevrouwTrein]

Very interesting! I never knew about all of this! You did get one thing wrong at 0:36: The first few NS 3700 series where indeed built by Beyer Peacock. But the 3737 and all NS 3700 type locomotives after that are actually copies made by Werkspoor (The Netherlands) using the previous locomotives as an example. But besides this little nitpick, I loved this video!

[@Tom-Lahaye]

Actually the first 36 3700 locomotives were built by Beyer Peacock, then 3737 to 3790 by Werkspoor, so 3737 is the first Werkspoor member of the class. The later locomotives 3791 to 3820 came from German builders, Henschel, Hanomag and Schwartzkopff.

[@caledonianrailway1233]

Apparently the Caledonian sold the rights to their dunasastair II design to the Belgian railways so they could make them abroad

[@jrojassengard2586]

As a Dutch speaker I just wanted to say it's scary how good your Dutch is

[@FlyingScott]

Zeg makker,

[@Lumberjackk]

Kokosnoten zijn geen specerijen

[@firstnamlastnam2141]

Beyer Peacock's are some of my favorites. Their designs are so gorgeous.

[@cameronebert4454]

I just gonna say this right here right now. We REALLY need more operational NS steam locomotives.

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Less known than his work for the Great Central Rly., J.G.Robinson produced several classes of businesslike aspect in his earlier incarnation (1885-1900) as Locomotive, Carriage & Wagon Superintendant of the Waterford, Limerick & Western Rly.

[@Jiskpirate]

NS 3700 by Paul Henken is the main source on this series of locomotives; definitely recommend.

[@esdv4296]

This was quite an interesting one indeed

[@azuma892]

They look so quintessentially British! Does anyone make HO models of these? I've done some brief searching and it seems Artitec made them as some point.

[@justarandomguy37]

In addition to artitec, djh models and philotrain have made models of the 3700's Sadly philotrain has stopped making loco's and djh appears to no longer be selling it

[@azuma892]

Are those two brass?

[@justarandomguy37]

@azuma892 yes Usually dutch model railway steam is brass and quite expansive

[@DennisLora2001]

Very good job on the video I really like it 0:13

[@Tom-Lahaye]

The class 3700 were big machines, but they weren't the largest 4-6-0 design on the Nederlandse Spoorwegen, that honour goes to the class 3900 of which sadly no example was preserved. Also sad that the project of building a new 3500 has silently died, apparently we aren't as generous as the British with donating money to such projects.

[@FlyingScott]

When I said "Largest [...] preserved NS 4-6-0" I mean just that, currently the largest. And not "Largest, at any point in time", I was specifically referring to this moment in time. Or, well, that moment in time a month ago when this video was uploaded.

[@Tom-Lahaye]

@@FlyingScott Yes, I missed the "preserved" in the sentence, and sadly it's the only preserved 4-6-0 out of the total of 6 such classes when I count the Swiss and Swedish 4-6-0s also. But in general our steam heritage is poorly preserved, I think because the Netherlands was so early with the withdrawal of steam. The country was in its post war rebuilding years and preservation wasn't something high on the priority list then.

[@hansn7338]

@@Tom-Lahaye That's what I wanted to express as well until I noticed the word "preserved". The series 3900 included a range of only 32 well shaped locomotives, wich actually were not very popular by the traindrvers of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen. They didn't drive so smooth as the 3700. I agree what you say about the Dutch heritage of the steam era. In my opinion it's a shame what only has been preserved of that part of the technical, cultural and social history. One 3737 that has had a failed reconstruction and no one seems to be shocked that it is stored in the Spoorweg Museum. It doesn't drive anymore. Other countries, like Germany and Great Britain, have a large number of railway lines exploring antique historical trains as part of their history, against the Netherlands exploring a few steamlines with locos from abroad or some smaller locos.

[@wdubbelo]

NBDS is underrated such great history such great livery such great locomotives such a shame the line was too damaged on the german side to be repaired after ww2 the line still mostly exists on the dutch part running from the former mainline connection point to the former defensive line on the border and no the monument of of the rail spikes is not the original place altho its extremely close so its just a thing history nerds know or even notice

[@anindrapratama]

I wonder if the 3700 class's design / appearance influenced the 4-6-0s built for NIS? (Dutch East Indies Rwy. Company) although they're built by Hartmann... They also operate 4-6-0s built by Beyer Peacock on their cape gauge division

[@wiltothecollector4420]

unsure about the standard gauge 4-6-0s but the cape gauge 4-6-0s, like the preserved NIS 397 and PJKA C5101 are more or less "bonsai-copies" of the 3700s yes, as a sidenote NS wanted to sell some of the old 3500s to the NIS right after WW2 but NIS wouldn't take them due to the 3500s, especially the Hohenzollern-built examples, being quite worn out and experiencing frame cracking

[@sierkdejongh8984]

The 3700 was not the biggest mainline engine; there also were the clkass 3900, very much like the 3700, but more powerful and with wind deflectors. They were a small series. The biggest engines were the 630series, also a small serie, about 25 engines, a 2-D-2 (4-8-4) tank engine, also 4 cylinder. This had the same cylinder set as the 3900, slightly larger than the 3700. There are no 3900s left and only obe 6300, which is very much hidden in the railway museumn in Utrecht.

[@FlyingScott]

I very intentionally used present tense there. Including her tender, she should have more mass than the other remaining NS steam locomotives.

[@ryleeculla5570]

No K2 British express engines?

[@FlyingScott]

Small wonder a locomotive of the Furness Railway wouldn't pop up in a video that is about a Great Central Railway locomotive...