CIRCLE to LAND with an AIRBUS A320! Explained by CAPTAIN JOE and PascalKlr

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Captain Joe

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@davidalmeida5542
@davidalmeida5542 2 жыл бұрын
Happy to see TAP colors on the airplane!!
@pfsantos007
@pfsantos007 2 жыл бұрын
Portugal caralho!
@alexandrebettencourt9880
@alexandrebettencourt9880 2 жыл бұрын
@Samuelwright520 transportes aéreos portugueses actually
@pedrofernando8336
@pedrofernando8336 2 жыл бұрын
@@pfsantos007 hahahah, também sou português
@pfsantos007
@pfsantos007 2 жыл бұрын
@@pedrofernando8336 Também sou Fernando. For real.
@JoeAchilles1
@JoeAchilles1 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe is back in the house (quite literally!). Another great video mate 👌
@sailaab
@sailaab 2 жыл бұрын
Achtung! Sag "Hallo" zu Captain Joe😊🤍🤗
@Lyjo0222
@Lyjo0222 Жыл бұрын
U explained the circling approach perfectly in 30 secs! wonderful job!
@paulloveless9180
@paulloveless9180 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet! If Amazon accidentally delivers an A320 AND I find myself needing to do a Circle To Land approach, I'm good!
@jaspispaulito1123
@jaspispaulito1123 2 жыл бұрын
This was lovely to watch, starting with IF training soon and I must say this video was very enlightening! Please do a CAT III app next Captain.
@ksteak27
@ksteak27 2 жыл бұрын
As a fearful flyer, I love this channel because it reminds me that the men and women up front REALLY DO know what they're doing. I never actually doubted that... but this just gives me comfort. I don't like any form of transport (trains, subways, cars) when I'm not in control. Add a fear of heights to that mix and that makes flying a truly fearful event for me. Thanks, Captain Joe! These videos are therapeutic for fearful fliers like me. I still do avoid flying whenever I can, but each flight has gotten easier and easier.
@LtKernelPanic
@LtKernelPanic 2 жыл бұрын
Okay I'm curious how hard was it to jump back behind the controls of an A320 and fly it after flying the B747 for the last couple years?
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 2 жыл бұрын
Super easy, really enjoyed being back in the A320 seat. My SOP's are a little rusty when it comes to the A320, but I can still fly her :)
@LtKernelPanic
@LtKernelPanic 2 жыл бұрын
Cool. I kinda wondered if it's be like riding a bike (albeit a little more complicated) that once you know how you can jump back in pretty easily.
@ngaviation3489
@ngaviation3489 2 жыл бұрын
I absoulutley love airbus! I wish to fly all airbus aircraft one day! Love your videos! Keep it up joe!
@fluffyres6107
@fluffyres6107 2 жыл бұрын
If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going!
@jaspispaulito1123
@jaspispaulito1123 2 жыл бұрын
@@fluffyres6107 I guess you’ll be Maxxed out👀😂
@airbus321
@airbus321 2 жыл бұрын
Airbus👑
@ngaviation3489
@ngaviation3489 2 жыл бұрын
@Samuelwright520 yes
@ngaviation3489
@ngaviation3489 2 жыл бұрын
@SamuelwrightA350 actually, no, I like both.
@gadjuga
@gadjuga Жыл бұрын
Great video! Just a couple of notes: a) At Circling MDA, it is 45º for 30 seconds, b) The circling is flown in TRK FPA so, no need for wind component math and c) thanks for using a TAP aircraft!! Great job!
@mishomishev3283
@mishomishev3283 4 ай бұрын
100% correct !
@dogapz
@dogapz 2 жыл бұрын
Something I always say about aviation is that it is amazingly organized and full of information. That makes it so special.
@Cookie-zi5gm
@Cookie-zi5gm 2 жыл бұрын
I’m in tears Capt. Joe. Literally, seeing you being back in the A320 is like going back to your ancestral home after moving out.
@AviationShots._
@AviationShots._ 2 жыл бұрын
Just tried to land an Airbus A320-216 in KPHL on Runway 27L. First configured the A320 for Gear down and Flaps 3, then fully established on ILS 09R; then at the around 1200 ft, executed at 45⁰ turn then I followed the procedure, as explained by you. And I was finally able to land at RWY 27L. Thank you Captain!!! ✈✈✈
@ЕленаРыжова-л2б
@ЕленаРыжова-л2б 2 жыл бұрын
"Experience the flight once, and your eyes will forever be glued to the sky. Once you've been there, you're doomed to miss it for the rest of your life." ✈️❤️ A very interesting and informative video. It's a pleasure to study aviation like this. 🎓👮🏻🤝👮🏻📚
@sailaab
@sailaab 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe😁 You come from a place of deep personal exposure to that sector!
@ihab6984
@ihab6984 Жыл бұрын
can you please explain how you were able to find the wind angel of 44° from 190/10 wind and desired course of 326 ? 5:04
@judedouch7838
@judedouch7838 6 ай бұрын
190+180-326=44
@OfficialLilTonyTMO
@OfficialLilTonyTMO 2 жыл бұрын
This channel made pilot tutorial more easier😎
@flywithgeo1
@flywithgeo1 2 жыл бұрын
The best collab on KZbin! Thanks for posting this one!
@junyuzheng5282
@junyuzheng5282 Жыл бұрын
Liking this video without even watching yet. Just reading the title makes me excited.
@TriNguyen-nl7qo
@TriNguyen-nl7qo 2 жыл бұрын
Someone asked you on instagram how comfortable you'd be flying an A320 again not that long ago, and now we're seeing this
@frankgallagher5786
@frankgallagher5786 Жыл бұрын
keep it simple. downwind timing =HAA X 3. V/S on final = 1/2 G/S. Try to plan the circling with as much headwind as possible on base leg (lower G/S to avoid going through final).
@Septimius
@Septimius Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy your videos, and I've been watching a long time. The small details that show your competency is how in the WCA you show that the units of kts cancel out. Treating your units as an inseparable part of any calculation is a great way to ensure you've done the math right.
@akaHarvesteR
@akaHarvesteR 2 жыл бұрын
A few years ago my wife and I were on a flight that did a circling approach into acapulco intl. A lot of the passengers were quite a bit put off by the low level 180* turn right before landing. I had never heard of this sort of approach either, tbh, and from the passenger windows looking down, the ground did seem very close indeed to be doing a turn like that. Thanks for the great video explaining the procedure!
@CrispyTheDuck
@CrispyTheDuck 2 жыл бұрын
I have flown this Simulator a few weeks ago! I can just recommend it to everyone of you! It was amazing!
@sircrapalot9954
@sircrapalot9954 2 жыл бұрын
I literally just started my Instrument Rating and we’re about to cover circling approaches. Couldn’t have timed this video better!
@sztojanbarna
@sztojanbarna 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome guys! One thing I missed at the "Landing no blue" callout. The SOP I learnt was like this > PM: "Landing no blue, autothrust" PF: "Speed" or "Off" depending on what is set.
@ZK-APA
@ZK-APA 2 жыл бұрын
There was a recent change in the checklist. Previously there was autothrust, autobrake etc. Now its just ECAM memo. I'm guessing you did your sim using the older checklist.
@edellmuthoni4581
@edellmuthoni4581 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video! I'm not a pilot yet and would really appreciate if you explained how the wind angle at 5:03 amounted to 44°
@JohnyKnee
@JohnyKnee 2 жыл бұрын
In the wca calculations you have to use acute angles between course and wind direction. It follows that considered angle is not angle between 326 and 190 (=136), but angle between 326 and 010. Whitch is 44°.
@triboarder06
@triboarder06 2 жыл бұрын
I'm stumped on that one 2 and I am a private pilot. Math doesn't check out.
@Iceberg86300
@Iceberg86300 2 жыл бұрын
As already stated, when figuring out wind correction angles using that method you use the acute wind angle, which is the less than 90° angle between the wind line & the planes course line. Course line is the heading out the front of the plane, and heading minus 180 out of the back of the plane. So 326/146. Then wind of 190 - 146 = 44. Or 326 - 190 = 136, which isn't an acute angle, so you use 180 - 136 = 44, to get the acute angle. Edit: this is always something I've had to use pencil & paper for but I'm guessing if you fly enough it becomes second nature.
@edellmuthoni4581
@edellmuthoni4581 2 жыл бұрын
@@JohnyKnee Thanks
@edellmuthoni4581
@edellmuthoni4581 2 жыл бұрын
@@Iceberg86300 Thanks for the explanation
@DAVIDGCR
@DAVIDGCR Жыл бұрын
Great video captain thanks for all your help with these kind of videos good flights
@nataliocruz2460
@nataliocruz2460 Жыл бұрын
Excelent technique, well done 👍🏻🛩️
@mainafamily3518
@mainafamily3518 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely video Joe I actually (And the flight Instructor) In Rand Airport South Africa tried it!
@omeercinar
@omeercinar 2 жыл бұрын
This is the most useful video that you ever created, for me
@mainafamily3518
@mainafamily3518 2 жыл бұрын
I can get very addicted to your videos Captain:)
@glennwatson
@glennwatson 2 жыл бұрын
starting my instrument training soon so interesting seeing a circling approach
@hack1n8r
@hack1n8r 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for an awesome tutorial!! I personally favor the B738 over the A21N (A321neo), but your tutorial is still applicable & is easily adaptable to the 737-ng series. Love, love, love these vids!! 😎👍
@andrecosta9988
@andrecosta9988 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome that you used that TAP scheme!
@Hazza.446
@Hazza.446 3 ай бұрын
Great video Joe, could you quickly explain how you got 44° on the wind correction angle, I’m a little confused?? Thank you
@domdavisx
@domdavisx 11 ай бұрын
Cheers Joe! This vid is top notch 👍
@manjeetpandher9249
@manjeetpandher9249 Жыл бұрын
Happy to see u i like u r skills & laughter too
@7667neko
@7667neko 2 жыл бұрын
Finally I know what a circle-to-land exactly is, thanks!
@NIAPRA
@NIAPRA 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe for ever, appreciated nice tuto and well done 😎
@alexctk
@alexctk 2 жыл бұрын
TAP 🇵🇹 and awesome movie explaining into a detail the procedures
@EinkOLED
@EinkOLED 2 жыл бұрын
A trend bar would be a nice feature on the A320 when turning onto final using the extended Centreline.
@copilotconrad
@copilotconrad 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!! In what instance would you use this approach compared to a normal straight-in approach??
@ZK-APA
@ZK-APA 2 жыл бұрын
When you have an instrument approach only in one runway direction, but wind/performance limitations is favoring the other direction.
@johnsonof4
@johnsonof4 2 жыл бұрын
As a 737-8H4 lover, the A320's are unique. But those smiles at the end puts a big one to mine! 🙂😁
@pilotpawanc
@pilotpawanc 2 жыл бұрын
Very nice video as always from the Cap. I felt that the view outside the cockpit was more cartoon like than i even find on home sims.
@Andrew-Wong
@Andrew-Wong 2 жыл бұрын
Well Done @Captain Joe, love your videos always and keep it up always!!
@TheAllMightyGodofCod
@TheAllMightyGodofCod 2 жыл бұрын
that TAP livery is gorgeous!
@AKjohndoe
@AKjohndoe 2 жыл бұрын
That was a stunning landing! Thank you for the video Captain Joe and Crew!
@milk-it
@milk-it 2 жыл бұрын
I love these educational videos. More, please! Danke euch 🙂
@JupiterMan12.000
@JupiterMan12.000 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Joe Could You Please make a Detailed Video about Tailstrikes Incidents🛩
@dianericciardistewart2224
@dianericciardistewart2224 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe and Pascal, that waa very informative! Totally enjoy learning about aviation. I LOVE learning!! Really appreciate all you do!! Thanks!! 💖✈✈💖
@seegurke93
@seegurke93 2 жыл бұрын
Haha how funny is it to see Pascal! He started with me at Tui on the Boeing 737 and now we both fly Airbus for another company, still from Frankfurt ;) Grüße!
@yutahestifirmani7684
@yutahestifirmani7684 2 жыл бұрын
Really cool collaboration video of two great pilots, a very cool video of course with a nice soft and cool audio sound. Great job Captain Joe, always only the best videos you post, you are really great.
@nourbacha4997
@nourbacha4997 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video Captain. In case of GA, how does the RWY01 nav path applies to follow the procedure as the secondary FP is active, with RWY19 ? Thank you in advance for your response.
@budguy21
@budguy21 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thank you!
@william_ochieng
@william_ochieng 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best aviation channel. Really great content. I've binge watched all videos in less than two months without even knowing 😂. I'm not a pilot but I love captain Joe. Keep it up sir!! 💯
@randomtrends2606
@randomtrends2606 2 жыл бұрын
Great choice of airline👏👍👌
@pfsantos007
@pfsantos007 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video as there are elements in it close to my heart.
@padmoretchitauro923
@padmoretchitauro923 2 жыл бұрын
A Good Pilot Is Always Learning 🧑‍✈️
@roaridse
@roaridse 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a pilot for anything else than rc-planes - but I find aviation videos interesting. While watching this video, where you have to change headings etc - how do you handle the headings? Are all true headings, or do you have to handle magnetic headings, compass deviation etc ? In the maritime world we have to calculate all this when taking certifications - most of it is quickly forgotten as navgation ais like electronic maps etc use true headings from gps , but it is still a thing we have to learn.
@coriscotupi
@coriscotupi 2 жыл бұрын
Headings are mostly magnetic. One exception can think of is in high (polar) latitudes, where compasses go nuts, then "grid" reference is used.
@ZK-APA
@ZK-APA 2 жыл бұрын
All headings are magnetic. In smaller planes where you use physical maps, the pilot does the variation corrections. But in airliners like this, they mostly use GPS along with the ground nav aids (which are also magnetic)
@finagonzalezperez314
@finagonzalezperez314 2 жыл бұрын
Felicitaciones capitán 🧑‍✈️ Joe 🥰🤣🤣💪💪💪
@kakoozatonny1357
@kakoozatonny1357 2 жыл бұрын
Hoping to meet you one day captain joe and i can feel it coming to me to spent some time with my best teacher
@leulmengistu6883
@leulmengistu6883 2 жыл бұрын
Tell us about types of landing gear in your up coming video.
@fabioeira8615
@fabioeira8615 2 жыл бұрын
Portugal Colours 🇵🇹🇵🇹 TAP Air ✌️✌️
@ahmedhelmi1288
@ahmedhelmi1288 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Joey go back to that old good days in Airberline . I hope it’s not confusing to fly A320 and 747 together 👍 Great job my captain
@larsw8776
@larsw8776 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this very good explanation of how it's done professionally. Very good!
@alitraharyono165
@alitraharyono165 Жыл бұрын
Did you put CF on top or you put on auto sequence? And did you re direct to runway while turning to final ?
@angierobinson5570
@angierobinson5570 2 жыл бұрын
Love these videos and love Captain Joe ❤️
@copilotconrad
@copilotconrad 2 жыл бұрын
5:03 where did you get 44 degrees from?
@mathar6044
@mathar6044 2 жыл бұрын
Hello captain joe, would you be able to make a video explaining the srilankan airline and British airways near miss incident that took place j in n the air a few days ago, I think you can explain it the best Thanks in advance
@m.l.5284
@m.l.5284 Жыл бұрын
1:44 I am trying to follow this tutorial. How can enter "MDA 1280" height? I can enter Baro or Radio height at the MCDU PERF page, but it will show up in the display as "BARO 1280" or "Radio 1280". How to enter "MDA" height ? Thank you.
@mateuszbeben
@mateuszbeben 15 күн бұрын
Enter the MDA in the Baro field. It will work the same
@petermcelwain2598
@petermcelwain2598 Жыл бұрын
Nice video, might be worth adding the difference between TERPS and ICAO obstacle protected area. For CAT C aircraft in ICAO you are protected to approx 4.2nm from each rwy end with circling height of approx 1000 AGL. In FAA Terps its much less, around 2.7 off the top of my mind.
@Xalion
@Xalion 2 жыл бұрын
TAP ❤️ In May I made my first flights in my life. Warsaw -> Lisboa -> Funchal Madeira and back. I was extremely excited because I flew a lot of A320 Neo in MSFS and "knew" the plane on which I flew 😀
@MahlonBouldin
@MahlonBouldin 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I learned a lot!
@alkalinebass
@alkalinebass 2 жыл бұрын
hatte ich auf Korsika, Calvi. Normaler Anflug von Norden, aber dann gings rechts am Flugplatz vorbei, 180° Linkskurve und aus der Kurve heraus direkt auf die Schwelle. Ich sass innen, perfekte Sicht. Einfach nur genial. Der Rest in der Kabine hat glaub ich gebetet ;-)
@nikin18
@nikin18 Жыл бұрын
Greate Vid Cap perhaps you can do another with B737?
@franckk34
@franckk34 2 жыл бұрын
Smooth for someone that dont fly the a/c anymore ;). Few remarks why do you ask for the landing cl on the ILS with the a/c still in F3 ? You have 1 blue on your ECAM memo. This segment is needed to be fly F3, Gear down + Spoilers armed, but the checklist needs to be done on short final later on. I think you realised because you asked for it a second time. You can also presel the 45° HDG during descent to be ahead and pull when you level off. Imo it is not an early stab appr as the early stab requires to be at the FDP fully configured.
@Adrianlovesmusic
@Adrianlovesmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent demonstration Captain
@wezzco_br8169
@wezzco_br8169 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! You guys are very skilled
@andreasgauckler3152
@andreasgauckler3152 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, great explanation.
@happypapi1903
@happypapi1903 Жыл бұрын
Got any tutorials on the Innsbruck Loc-DME East from RTT NDB with the Circle To Land RWY08?
@LarySeeAircraft
@LarySeeAircraft 2 жыл бұрын
I’m currently up to practicing circuits in a 152 I can’t wait to go solo
@Slash04555
@Slash04555 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, this 45s to get to downwind leg is a standard ICAO PANS-OPS procedure? I can't find it anywhere, thanks
@ZK-APA
@ZK-APA 2 жыл бұрын
As per Joe from a comment he made prior, 45s is from the company FCTM
@이재형-o4q
@이재형-o4q 2 жыл бұрын
Quite similar to what airplanes do at Gimhae International Airport in my country...
@normadesmond9659
@normadesmond9659 2 жыл бұрын
Just outstanding from 2 cuties Joey and Pascal in my favorite country and airport Flughafen Frankfurt! Sicherer Flug! ✈❤
@kaihatkeinenaccount
@kaihatkeinenaccount 2 жыл бұрын
I have two questions: 1. What is the difference between the two autopilots? 2. Why did you lower the landing gear so early? It seems you could wait until the final turn to preserve fuel.
@chrisschack9716
@chrisschack9716 2 жыл бұрын
There's really no difference between the autopilots, but if there's a disagree, there's a problem. As for gear, they wanted to be stable and nearly to landing configuration before starting the circling maneuver. It's not like a light aircraft where you start putting out flaps abeam the approach end of the runway ... and they're not kidding about the different traffic pattern altitude, try doing a pattern at 700 and your usual cues may get messed up!
@kaihatkeinenaccount
@kaihatkeinenaccount 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisschack9716 Thank you
@ryancho5888
@ryancho5888 2 жыл бұрын
Thank your for your great explanation and tips. I always enjoy your videos as new pilot who just started my career :) If you don’t mind, I want to ask one question about timing after abeam threshold. You said you have to fly 30 sec initially, but when you actually apply the formula, you started calculation with 33 sec. Cause 1300 - 184 = 1116 ft, 1116/100 x 3 sec = 33 sec. And you subtracted 10 because of tail wind, and it decrease down to 23 sec. So I wonder where the number 30 sec comes from.
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 2 жыл бұрын
The standard circling minima is 1000 feet, that’s why it’s 30 seconds, but great question!
@olharAgudo
@olharAgudo 2 жыл бұрын
Seemed to be a lil bit tense procedure, even in a sim. Would luv to see a comparation of heart rate comparison between a sim procedure and a real world procedure.
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 2 жыл бұрын
It's not that tense! But that would be a great idea for a video with the heart rate monitor!
@olharAgudo
@olharAgudo 2 жыл бұрын
@@flywithcaptainjoe i Just cant put my chips on any bet. At sim, even though all the imersive resources, deeply inside we know we are safe. BUT... at sim we would be executing procedures that arent part of a daily basis procedures....plus the pressure of an eventual checker. In tu other hand, in real life, we would have the safe sensation of doing something we are pretty used to... BUT... there is the pressure of a real life no-margin-for-errors state.
@truskat31
@truskat31 2 жыл бұрын
Does it feel at least a bit like coming home to the a320 where it somehow began? Well done explanations as usual.
@QuangNguyen-sz3ss
@QuangNguyen-sz3ss 2 жыл бұрын
A Very useful video 😎 thank you
@nunogoncalopina589
@nunogoncalopina589 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe is flying Teófilo Braga’s TAP aircraft. 😊
@Quiquetenax
@Quiquetenax 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Capt Joe, any chance you can put the WCA angle calculation in here as it was a t quick in the video.
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you, I'll see what I can do!
@bibinjose1990
@bibinjose1990 2 жыл бұрын
Really informative captain ..
@farxadalizade599
@farxadalizade599 Жыл бұрын
Hi Captain, useful video. Thanks. I have a question about WCA... I dont understand from where you Captain get 44°, if u don't mind answering.
@judedouch7838
@judedouch7838 6 ай бұрын
190+180-326=44
@renandemattosbatista6991
@renandemattosbatista6991 2 жыл бұрын
Captain Joe, just one question: can you confirm it is 45s and not 30s to turn wings level to proceed to the downwing leg? I am an A320 pilot and in my FCOMs company, it states 30s. For the rest, everything seems the same! By the way, I am a great fan of yours and great video!!
@ZK-APA
@ZK-APA 2 жыл бұрын
Most probably the airline SOP Joe is referring to says 45 seconds instead of 30. Ps I also checked my company FCOM SOP, it is also 30 seconds
@flywithcaptainjoe
@flywithcaptainjoe 2 жыл бұрын
Our FCTM (Flight Crew Trainings Manual) states 45 seconds. It can vary a little from airline to airline
@zibarth
@zibarth Жыл бұрын
I agree, it’s 30 sec and you want to activate secondary with the landing runway on downwind. He still had the ILS 01 in the box during landing.
@briandecima9390
@briandecima9390 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joe for your video and the knowledge you pass on the new generation of pilots! Could you please explain why you use 23 seg on the downwind side? I know it has something to do with the elevation dif but I don’t get it! Cheers from Argentina!
@callmemallu
@callmemallu 2 жыл бұрын
Love from Kerala,India💥
@cleidiralmeida3709
@cleidiralmeida3709 2 жыл бұрын
That's GVAC my home town airport great 😍
@HDJess
@HDJess 2 жыл бұрын
I never knew about all this crazy math and "procedure" behind an approach like this. I would imagine if you're visual with the RWY, you can just "feel it" and everything comes instinctively, you kinda know when to turn and how fast to descend.
@jotopaxjotopaxx8188
@jotopaxjotopaxx8188 2 жыл бұрын
That would a nice recipe for a f”””” up… 😉
@themorethemerrier281
@themorethemerrier281 2 жыл бұрын
Can we all please acknowledge the visual prowess of MSFS (+Fenix)? Makes this pro simulator weep in the corner. But the cockpit is super nice.
@gilsonbarros9524
@gilsonbarros9524 2 жыл бұрын
Hugs from Cape Verde .
@althafkk4656
@althafkk4656 2 жыл бұрын
Joe i have a question for you. My question is that could aeroplane can stand in the air without moving if it possible could you exaplain by a vedio...
@ZK-APA
@ZK-APA 2 жыл бұрын
Yes it can. Though practically not possible with airliners, but with small planes with low stall speed, if the wind is going faster than the aircraft's own speed, the aircraft can hover or even fly backwards.
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