Focus ST or Mazdaspeed 3: I've Owned Both (one is better..)

[@DinoPwn]

10:46 for the conclusion. You're welcome.

[@mauricioching6856]

thanks, man

[@DinoPwn]

@@mauricioching6856 np!

[@SunLevi]

bless

[@maxsjoberg788]

Thanks

[@brandonwright6578]

Dinosaur111Pwn thank you 🙏🏾

[@natewing5760]

I think the exclusivety of the Mazda is what attracts me to it. I see STs everywhere and I don't see as many Mazdas.

[@henryM22x]

7-10 years ago they were EVERYWHERE ! Especially here in South Africa.

[@rogerbarrett9920]

@@henryM22x - haha- they've probably all ended upside down in ditches by now cos we know you guys down there are crazy drivers 🤣

[@miggyv6856]

If you don’t see them around as much, it’s for a reason 👀

[@Gg-pp6el]

Thats the same for me but the other way around!

[@alexandernovosad4722]

I bought the ST partially for it's uniqueness. However, my benchmark for uniqueness is seeing easily 7-8 WRX's & GTI's for every FoST I see rolling around. The Mazda is super tight, but the lack of reliability and hard to find lower mileage models in my area scared me off a bit.

[@masonbales8371]

Personally I prefer my mazdaspeed. I've owned both as well. The speed is more street oriented where as the focus st dominates off road. Both amazing. But love my ms3's aggressive boost kick.

[@dallasmellsop5488]

For me it's the ms3, I perferr the rawness, and how much quicker they are, stock for stock or mod for mod the ms3 is walking it

[@TheMaster5059]

Dallas Grantley true I love my ms3. Although it break down a lot lol I can never get a break, it’s super unreliable when you start modding it above 350whp. But it’s extreamly fun and really quick, so I still love it with all its faults and unreliableness

[@expiredzoos8284]

the ms3 is for people that can actually drive. the focus st is for people that need all the assisting they can get

[@dallasmellsop5488]

@@TheMaster5059 yeah around that mark you probably want meth injection or e85

[@mowcee1]

I love my Gen1 MS3... 326whp is fun, an a reliable daily.

[@regalcatnetwork8068]

expired zoos No not really the focus ST is just more advanced because it’s newer. You can turn off everything my traction control and other stuff other than that they’re just as much as driver cars as the Mazda speed three

[@rainquill_4772]

YES ive been waiting for him to say the words mazdaspeed3 in a video for what feels like an eternity

[@tubesock509]

Pulled up to a dealership to look at a st in my ms3 they kept trying to get me to trade in straight across, knew I made the right choice plus theres only like 5 ms3s in my town to many st's and wrx and stis

[@KyleMosley]

I have a Speed6. Its a great engine, but they definitely have their flaws. The Gen 1 especially. Just be prepared to put the work in. For me, I wasnt prepared, and now I'm having to replace the head. If you get a Speed3/6 get your valves cleaned, replace the timing chain when it starts rattling. Make sure you get fuel pump internals, its peace of mind.

[@mrspools9880]

Theres only a gen 1 speed6.

[@colerobinson3624]

@@mrspools9880 speed 6 is basically a gen one so he's saying gen one engines have their problems

[@PeTRoL-HEadx]

How do u get valves cleaned

[@Alanski340]

Speed3 all day 💕 love my monster

[@rogerbarrett9920]

Yup- Apart from a few parts on it that were made by Ford, Mazda build quality and electronics will always outlast Ford.

[@frankmartinez6880]

I have just over 200000 miles on it and it still runs like a beast and no issues or problems with it. My son is learning to drive in the MS3. I plan on passing it to him.

[@cameronhaddock7324]

@@frankmartinez6880 pleb, just hit 400k, still runs perfactly fine, but will need a little more matinance

[@troylinden369]

I had both cars. I nodded both to the same level. The mazda seemed a lot meaner.

[@jspec1398]

Speed3 is so much fun to drive the power and the attachment it gives u is like no other cars out there.

[@KyleGreenSpeed3]

If here was a speed 3 the same year as ur at it will be far better. New Mazda interior is fuckin nice as hell and they would fix all the issues the other engine had like the fuel pump internals. So comparing an older car to that car isn’t really accurate. I have a Mazdaspeed 3 and barely had issues and I have driven the st and it feels more electronic. I don’t like it that’s my opinion

[@waresgarage8590]

i have a speed 3 and it took me like hr and 30 mins to put on my cobb downpipe

[@angelavila2128]

Wares Garage how was it taking off the o2 sensor? I’m gonna be doing a downpipe soon too

[@waresgarage8590]

Angel Avila it was easy..just get the right o2 socket...spray WD40 on it and have an extension with an wobble...just take it easy taking it off because the o2 on the speeds 3 are known to Strip while taking them off...I have a KZbin channel called waresgarage check it out I have the video of me doing the downpipe and other stuff

[@Reilly_McNicks]

Need to remember, the Speed platform is older then these new generations of turbo 4-cylinder cars. Without a doubt that’s why the St/RS and even the new GTI have more comfort and better ECUs. To my understanding, when the Speed3 & 6’s were developed, they really only thought about raw power and feeling connected to the car. If the Speed platform continued, I believe they would be right up against these new cars or even better than them. Some people even think that the Speeds are better then the new cars 🤷🏼‍♂️. But I love them all and love seeing 4-cylinder cars beat 6 & 8 cylinder vehicles.

[@mbaconjr7032]

Loved this video. I also have both of these cars. So it was very easy for me to envision all your points. But I feel like this is one video that needed photos edited into a lot of these points. Especially when comparing esthetics.

[@VirginiaPatriotRebel]

Had a 2012 ST and the car was amazing, but I have a 2009 Mazdaspeed 3 now and I feel more attached. The gritty raw analog feel of the speed 3 is more like my old Nova days. They are both great cars but I will always lean towards the Mazda. Thanks for the video.

[@CarAudioObsessions]

The ST didn't exist until 2013.

[@VirginiaPatriotRebel]

@@CarAudioObsessions it was a 2013, I stand corrected, thank you.

[@brendanmyrick9466]

I got a Mazdaspeed 3 with 200,000 miles on it, with fresh coils,suspension, axles and brakes. Its still running great

[@Letrick]

Love my st crazy how far yours has come so quick

[@dankgreengang3507]

Bruddah I really appreciate all the st videos man..I’m looking to get one pretty soon and you definitely helped me know this car in and out bro I highly appreciate that bruddah..

[@HoUsEoFcAtS78]

I've had my speed 3 for almost 2 months now. It had 145k when I bought it. After driving it for a couple months every day, I have come to the conclusion that I needed this car 10 years ago. It's an overall great car. A few bugs. But almost have them all worked out. I personally love this interior. Being a Gen 1, the seats are much more stylish in my opinion. Not like someone went crazy with a rattle can on the doors and seats like the Gen 2. And the glow in the instrument cluster gets more style points. And it still has a buttload of room in the back, especially after I fold the seats down. The aftermarket exhaust that came on the car when I bought it, is extremely throaty. Not too loud. Not too soft. Just the perfect tone. And the color, the cosmic blue pearl is amazing. Everybody loves it.

[@brycebaty240]

Gen 1 seats are better than gen 2

[@HoUsEoFcAtS78]

@@brycebaty240 mine is a Gen 1. Love the interior.

[@brycebaty240]

@@HoUsEoFcAtS78 I have a gen 2 and also speed6. I dont mind the seats but definitely like the feel of first gen seats. But i dont think they'd look very good in a 2nd gen

[@HoUsEoFcAtS78]

@@brycebaty240 They would look fine if you replaced the door panels as well.

[@rogerbarrett9920]

I have a GEN 2 but have always liked the Gen1's toned down interior. In the UK though the Gen1 is really punished on Road Tax( over £500 a year) because it knocks out so much CO2. The Gen 2 is quite a bit less because the CO2 level meets Euro5 standards, plus it's really hard to find a Gen 1 with low mileage now. Shame Mazda stopped making Speed3's as they are great cars.

[@geedunk13]

FBO E33 MS3 here. Neck and neck with new Camara SS race. 140k miles, floor it all day everyday

[@rgprgp3454]

My mps have 230 000km on clock.stil no timing chain isues.all oem and stock.only have accesport ots stage 1.driving car for 2 years now.no problems.i have gen 1.and i love this car.will choose it anytime over a st.here in south africa our st focus have a problem with overheating.dont know why.and alotbof isues with the electric front fan of the radiator.the motors stop working then the flaps doesnt open then cars overheat.mps is manaul air flaps.thatscmy opinion.😄👌

[@fredzeppelin3969]

Both cars in fact use the same global C-1 platform/chassis. It was developed jointly with Ford, Mazda, and Volvo, since Ford had a stake in both other companies at the time. This same platform rolls under the Mazda 5 (RIP), the Ford C-Maxx, and the Volvo S-40 and C-30.

[@puppetmaster413]

So essentially if you want a decent daily with an okay ability to perform yeah go with the st if you want a more aggressive raw almost racecar ish feel go with the speed

[@jaredturney2782]

I have a speed 3 and my uncle had a Focus ST. And he always told me i made the better choice. I have 170k on my speed and its fully bolted and have not had any major issues. He had less than 60k miles on his focus and put 3 transmissions in it. So the reliability is definitely a topic for debate

[@monkmoto1887]

Maybe your uncle keeps hitting that money shift

[@robertoespinosa7998]

"one is better" I automatically know its the Mazda

[@MrMole17]

Lol

[@cbush2361]

yet you were wrong

[@ASecureLab]

Beau Bush yet people seems to disagree, the guy have the st so it’s a bit biased. Also gotta count a ST is in 30k here à a speed in good shape can be found under 10k right now there is one here for 15k and it as 10k miles on it and all the mods for a reliable 320hp 350 torque. So literally 2-3 times less expensive and the general opinion is that the ms3 is better.

[@Wilkins325]

@@ASecureLab Yeah, ive been finding 1st gen ms3 for around 5-6k

[@gavinmiller1998]

@@ASecureLab no. Your general opinion is that it’s better 💀

[@spillybuilt7491]

2006-2010 had a weaker vvt design, 2011-2013 had an updated one that was much better. If the vvt has been done on the older ones, they receive the updated one and should be good to go for a long long time.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Spilly Built I just put a whole new head on my speed6 cause of the VVT issues lol

[@mkimask]

Focus ST is also available as an estate - might be useful for someone who wants something fun but also has to carry a lot of stuff on daily basis

[@X-_ADRNALZ_-Xonps]

only in europe

[@eEnzo0]

As a MS6 owner I cannot but agree, MS engines are a PITA to maintain over 100k. I have my MS6 for a year now and I think I got more stress from my car in 1 year than I got from my wife in 12 years now... :)))

[@MatthewLahnerWasHere]

A different video I watched ages ago put it best ive heard. Speed is like a rowdy teenager, funner, wilder. St is more refined and clean and tuned. Which perfectly summed it for me

[@Dissasociatedsoul]

I own a speed 3. I work on it in my driveway. 21 years old and a pretty novice mechanic. The downpipe took me 3 hours tops. I had the old downpipe off the car in under an hour. The fuel pump is easier than you think if you have a vice, e torx and a deep 18mm. Not a big deal.

[@jayr1279]

Awesome and informative video. Like how you take notes and do the full comparison and contrast. Well put together cameron. Thanks

[@jb6574]

Reliability is based on owners..ms3s will last for a long while if you take care of them...a lot of them are thrashed and not maintained well and then dumped at dealerships for some unsuspecting person to get in and have issues galore.

[@rogerbarrett9920]

Absolutely agree, unlike a Ford the general build quality is much more reliable especially the electrics and fit and finish. I've always liked European Ford hot hatches though 😊

[@tylerkoglin1197]

I needed this video... THANK YOU... I’ve been debating for so long between the two cars

[@christianmoore63]

I had a Mazda 3 and it blew up I was going to get a speed 3 but ended up with a focus ST my mom had a focus SE and I hated it, but I was working my first job and a old lady pulled up in a yellow ST and I feel in love

[@fernandorivas5059]

Your Mazda 3 blew up? What year is it? Probably you have 2.3L or 2.0L. I have Mazda 3 2008 2.0L Turbocharged GTX3584RS Gen 2 running 16PSI. Don’t know about yours?

[@motomatt7102]

I love my fiesta st. I have more usable power since I live in tampa with constant stop and go

[@alexsegura9012]

Timing chain usually goes if the car wasn’t maintained properly.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Alex Segura regardless of maintenance the gen 1 speed3’s VVT actuator was faulty from the factory, they go no matter what

[@paulosicne5803]

I liked the Mazda Speed3. It's tough to find one that either hasn't been beat up or one that has a ton of miles on the odometer.

[@DudeCalledDibs]

Nice video! I was in the market for both hatchbacks and decided on the speed 3 for the unique look, not many in my area. I have had issues and currently over 100,000 miles. Throttle body went bad, fuel baffle broke, clutch pedal bracket broke, but other than that no issues.

[@Neighborhood-Black-Guy]

The Focus ST and RS value will rise steadily overtime I think.

[@joseahumada123456789]

They were overproduced theres a lot of focus's that still aren't touched I doubt the price is gonna go up

[@simonfraser8892]

I purchased a 2017 focus st1 brand new for 20.5k. Currently they are selling used for almost that same price. Search Craigslist Seattle and see for yourself.

[@Tito_FromDaBay]

Nah , they’ve definitely have fallen in price both cars but the st you can literally buy for 7k from private owners so I don’t see it rising in price , maybe the Rs but not the St

[@ChrisWalksFast]

Feedback for improvement: as you are talking about the various elements of the car provide video footage (or pictures at the very least).

[@HadenPeon]

would def have helped. i have an st3 so maybe i didnt feel like i needed it but for the video it could have been very important for someone that is considering both cars

[@nomancave591]

That good ol b-roll. It would also help make the video feel as long. I enjoyed the topic though. Thanks! 👍

[@Stumpy801]

I bet they will bring the speed 3 back soon. They won’t be able to resist the sales/competition with the other automotive makes. Edit: my sister is selling her 08 speed 3 in white and I’m thinking of buying it and selling my 18 sti lol

[@chandlertilton2427]

If you don't want it know how much does she want for it

[@Stumpy801]

Chandler Tilton I think she was selling it for 8k we live in Salt Lake City Edit I’ll have to see how many miles.

[@DarkClosetOfTheMind]

I'm considering a Mazda Speed3. I had a 2016 Focus ST and I killed the motor at 16k, cylinder 3 went. It was covered under warranty, but it took the dealership weeks to replace and I swore I would never by another Ford car after that. I sold it immediately after it got fixed.

[@geoffweaver8075]

Gen1 Speed3 is the 🐐 imo... love your channel!

[@jonathandyer8028]

I couldn't stand the ST3. The ST2 has the best seats, the bolsters are great for long drives they pretty much hold you up and in place.

[@christopherpauley8174]

Also owned both. Speed 3: Better power per mod and higher potential power on the stock turbo. Many more reliability issues (especially if you get a gen1 car). ST more refined and nicer to ride in every day. Much more reliable.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Christopher Pauley speed3 has a k04 turbo, ST has a tiny k03... ST’s spool insanely fast though and make crazy torque really low in the rpm range

[@christopherpauley8174]

@@sleeper.simulant7327 yeah mine made 360 after tune and parts way down low in the rev range. That can make the car a ton of fun to drive especially on a track where the power is always on tap. Problem is it's done then. It poops out and the speed 3 leaves it behind mod for mod in the 40-120 range.

[@happyturtle512]

That Carma logo is so sick... would cop that merch real quick

[@morrbaja]

Great points for both sides

[@DarynRod]

Just passed 130k on my 14 st3. Still going strong.

[@jbaguam80]

08 MS3 @114k still strong

[@jonr2192]

What is it at now?

[@DarynRod]

@@jonr2192 over 155k lol

[@jonr2192]

@@DarynRod how long are you planning on keeping it? Is the higher mileage concerning you?

[@DarynRod]

@@jonr2192 not really. Maybe a few more years. It's a daily commute car for me. Gotten my money's worth out of it already.

[@jessebudelman]

Favorite thing about my car is the Recaro’s (st2). Haha

[@frightenedsoul]

Was that a joke?

[@jessebudelman]

Nope

[@nebtriv]

Until they start to move

[@simonfraser8892]

I have the st1 and those seats are really comfortable, maybe the most comfortable seats I've ever had in a car. They do totally lack support when cornering really hard.

[@ramonms3818]

MS3 gang 🤘🏽

[@brandonxx9090]

Agreed... But aren’t you trying to sell it tho....

[@BubzHubb]

He is. Its on Phoenix, AZ facebook marketplace for 20k right now. He might be tryna sell it, but it seems hes just more "testing the waters." I doubt he'll get that for a beat on, highly modified, ST1 package. Who knows though...

[@iluvcakes19]

Haven driven both the MS3 is/was more fun. Not taking anything away from the ST, that car was fun too.

[@supadaven210]

This was a really good video wow thanks man

[@DJ-kx6gr]

I traded my focus st in to get my wife a rav4. I regret getting rid of it. Hopefully I can find an st2 or 3 for a good deal next year or 2

[@ghostface7410]

in general cars from mazda look so sexy

[@peppeter2573]

I have speed 3 myself. Those cars are unique. They are cheap in someway but very very well put car. From how the car handles to literally walking st with full bolt ons. Me stock tune to tuned no chance for st. Sound wise speed have more rumble and tone. I feel like speed 3 is a true men driven car. St I’ve always liked them but kids have been missing around with them to the point where it got ricer to be honest. If you want a raw car to drive and beat on speed 3 is ur way to go

[@DankSi]

Wouldn't touch a focus, would love a mazdaspeed

[@johnholmes2590]

I owned the first generation Ford Focus before it was a nightmare.

[@EvlEgle]

@@johnholmes2590 not even remotely the same car. The ms3 and fuckus st are more closely related than the usdm 1st gen fuckus and the current focus.

[@extremeteam9143]

I just killed a 500 hp boss 302 with my speed 3. 27lbs of boost with methanol injection. Can’t touch this

[@vivid_racing]

Reliability and fun go hand in hand for sure

[@CarlosGonzalez-vc2ky]

Is the 2.0 from the St the same that comes on the edge,fusion,tauros etc ?

[@bradenblais1874]

Yes, it's the same 2.0 EcoBoost, but there's dozens of small differences between the 2.0 EcoBoost in the ST and the 2.0 EcoBoost in all the others. Mostly different # of MAP sensors, different intake a vacuum line routing and lastly some have a different head to accommodate for the twin scroll turbo. There's a few other things, but you can look it all up on Google or Forums.

[@rgprgp3454]

Its a diverative of the mazda LF engine.

[@bradenblais1874]

@@rgprgp3454 I mean, I guess, but not really though. The only thing they they share are the same block castings. That's it.

[@rgprgp3454]

@@bradenblais1874 yes correct.thats what i was meant to say.ford used its own cylinder head design turbo and ecu👌😄

[@rogerbarrett9920]

@@rgprgp3454 - One of the reasons that Ford had an interest in Mazda for a while, was to "borrow" their Technology. They did it in the past with Volvo and Jaguar.

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

Speed3 has a bigger turbo, k04 vs k03. Mod for mod the Speed3 pulls all day every day

[@TheMaster5059]

Driveitsideways 1 yea but I mean both of them are still small. I have a bnr s3 in my ms3 and even that thing feels small lol 😂

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

They both fall on there face by 6000 rpm. Haven’t been in a BNRs3 car but I assume it’s considerably better then stock top end

[@COYOTE_N8]

I love my speed 3. I've driven st's an there cool as hell to but I just love the way MS3 look

[@tracktimevideos5164]

The Mazda isn't a patch on the RS. You'd be mad to think they were even comparable.

[@CameronAlford]

We're talking about the ST behind me ha not an RS

[@tracktimevideos5164]

@@CameronAlford my mistake. Would be a tough choice.

[@derrickarmour]

VVT issues were addressed in second gen Mazda speed which is the same gen you had

[@travisfournierfitness]

TRAITOR 😭😭😭

[@OJG.85]

Travis Fournier that’s what I said!!!!! 😪

[@tyronenur2373]

Travis Fournier imagine owning and praising a car, getting bored of it, and then buying a different version of it and claiming it’s better after barely owning it 😂😂

[@DIETOGETHER1325]

Tyrone Nur you do know he already sold his ST that’s kinda what he does buys a car does what he wants to it and once he feels he’s done what he can he sells it and starts another project

[@MichaelDouglas-24]

I think that the focus st is more enjoyable to own for me just because it has more features

[@Rev3_11]

This notebook is massive

[@ericcampbell2360]

The ST is the spiritual successor to the speed3

[@TheMaster5059]

It might be but it falls short in rawness, aggressiveness and powaaa to the ms3. ZOOM ZOOM ALL DAY!

[@mrspools9880]

The Focus RS is faster stock. Mod for mod with a reputable tuner i.e. Freektune, Purple Drank, Nishan etc. The Speed3 will eat it. Mazda and Ford used to be partners back in the gap. So it's not suprising that Ford released a car that's pretty much the exact same, down to being only available as a hatchback and only manual transmission offered. They are both badass vehicles though, I used to own a silver genpu.

[@CameronAlford]

RS?

[@mrspools9880]

@@CameronAlford ST I mean. I was talking with one of my buddies about his RS before the video lol

[@shacaloc84]

Both cars are interference engines. If the timing chain goes, that's it for your car. Not like a diesel with which is non-interference engine.

[@LigmaLoda]

I was just on facebook market place looking at these cars a couple days ago and saw this car lol this video popped up on my timeline and had to take a double take lol

[@jjcarroll2626]

Subbed cause you had a mazdaspeed. Unsubbing cause you no longer have one 😭

[@AndrewJGrande]

Thank you for this video I have literally been waiting for so long because I could not pick between the speed3 and the ST

[@interceptingfist5682]

Drive both. Don't let someone tell you what's better. What's better to that individual might be worse to you.

[@AndrewJGrande]

Intercepting Fist i agree

[@MJC-GSXS750]

feel the same way, but wanted the ecoboost platform in RWD, so opted for the Mustang EB, which is now FBO, pro tuned by Adam. NX2 turbo about to go on, so looking forward to that. I enjoy the videos man!

[@Modmaann]

What was your opinion on going with you ecoboost mustang over a focus st or focus RS? The problem i see is the ecoboost mustang is too heavy to make it a tough decision instead of just getting a V8 mustang

[@georgerobinson1338]

I’m at 135k and starting to have some problems with my speed3 :( doing my best to keep her alive tho lol

[@totov7673]

Haha fail I have a 2013 focus st with 177k zero problem car runing like brand new. Only problem I have is the rear motor mount and spark plug and aor filter due but thats normal since I have alot of clicks.

[@ASecureLab]

Eh, its got over 100k miles on it, it’s when you start having to put money in it, welcome to the car world.

[@lj4602]

Omg I’m at a true fork in the road I’m between both cars right now buddies speed was nice but at 170 thousand his turbo is going out normal I guess it’s stock but I liked the way it drove drove a monster st and that was dope to now it’s about the nitty gritty of the best mechanically help I like em both between a 2013 ms3 and 2017 st

[@sneakerknockerz702]

watched the whole thing, nice video

[@Bigdinlv71]

Mazda speed 3. Body was designed by Volvo, Engine designed by Mazda, Suspension made by Ford. So even if you like the Mazda speed 3 better it’s still part Ford lol

[@spacecalander]

Both obsolete now, but I will keep my ST

[@UrW0rstNighmare]

Have 60k on my 15 ST3. Full bolts and haven't had any issues whats so ever. Great daily, take it to the mountains for snowboarding, throw the mountain bike on the rack in the summer. Drive it to the beach when time allows.. Great power for what it is and reliable. She is quick for sure and have been enjoying it, but as always that power bug still hangs around but in a FWD platform 300 is the sweet spot. Keep up the good work Cameron, loving the channel

[@JavierVazquezkmkzy]

Thank you for your videos ... i know this videos are a little old but i am always looking to update stuff in my 18 ST. Just have a little question ...i just found the video that you installed the LED light to your ST and saw that you put the whole assembly inside the housing ... i k ow they get very hot ...have you had any issues with that . I want to order the same kit but want to make sure i can hide the whole thing. Thank you for being awesome

[@1970borntorun]

Good choice !! I agree 100% The Focus ST is a FAR better all-around car than the Mazda. The Speed 3 is kind of a One-Trick-Pony. Kinda like buying a Marshall Guitar Amp. It's only good for High Gain LOL ;)

[@garrettbarbosa3080]

What do you think of the 2014 Honda si with tha vtec natural aspirated engine

[@1AddictedPro]

Owned a speed 3 for about 2 months before I blew the engine, completely stock as well. Then got a decent deal on a '18 FoST. Loved the Speed 3's styling, power, and rawness. The FoST has been a reliable daily for 9~ months now. Put in a 12' sub and replaced all the door speakers since it was an ST1. Recently went with a cobb + stratified tune which brought out more rawness that we all crave. I'm forever a mazda fanboy, but gotta give it to the FoST. I'd talk more about the handling on both cars if I could... but just know whatever decision you guys make, they're both amazing cars.

[@SofaKingSteezy]

I’d choose an ST over my Gen 1 speed if I could, just because its more supported overall.

[@djsk244]

not just that, ST is just so much easier to work on, Doesnt require a tune to add a BOV (if you're into it), And isnt a absolute fucking pain in the ass to access areas around the engine .

[@TheMaster5059]

Dj Sk yea the mazda engine bay is bitch. Everything is so much more stressful to work on, but I still love my ms3

[@brandonfarmer7446]

What is more reliable in stock form iam looking at both

[@BigbirdJohnson]

for a daily driver, how would you compare the st and ms3 to say a new civic si or a new mk7 golf gti?

[@happyturtle512]

Focus ST or WRX? Thinking of getting one soon...

[@AustinMBecker]

I'd pick ST - for price, less maintenance (most likely), and better styling/ride dynamics. Up to you....

[@happyturtle512]

Austin Becker thanks for the reply. I think I will end up getting the ST 👍🏼

[@moriartymatt34]

ST!!! I KNEW IT

[@muddyrelic3009]

Any plans on a clean hr 350z? Since the de is gone

[@Swigswag123]

I think sts are more comfortable but speed3 is a lot more fun

[@pearldrums92]

I’ve had both aswell. It’s not close the ST is a much more fun car to drive. The MS3 is honestly one of the worst cars I ever owned. It just felt awfully cheap in every aspect other than power train. The MS3 can be made faster, no question but if you enjoy driving and turning at all, the ST is your car.

[@CalebsCars]

All due respect that talk about the ecu did t make a ton of sense but I understand where you were tryna go with it

[@EGGMANNoriginal]

I saw your car for sale on Facebook market place recently lol.

[@theeats5043]

love my speed but its broken right now lol

[@bleekautube5666]

my ms3 went zoom zoom boom 3 days ago. put a hole in block, crankshaft girdle destroyed, oil pump cracked... not sure what else is busted but I'll find out soon. gonna pull engine out. car has 108K on it pushing @ 380 hp/tq at whees. tons of fun and tqsteer. PITA but I have no choice than to rebuild if I want to smile again behind wheel. out comes the trusty 25 yr old 626 winter beater a couple of mo ths early this year.

[@johnfg2752]

I’m not sure if you’ve answered this before but did you like the 350z or ST better? As a weekend toy. Had a MS3 before but I’m thinking about a ST or 350z as a toy project. Or an older LS car

[@CameronAlford]

if it's a weekend toy and you wanna go sideways and get wild get a Z! If you wanna go fast and ur ok with not sliding then get an ST cuz the torque with the ST is a blast

[@johnfg2752]

Cameron Alford somehow that made the decision even harder 😭😢

[@prod.tsukii]

Were your windows tinted on the speed 3? If so, what percent?

[@AustinMBecker]

I have a 2014 Focus w/ the 5 speed, pretty fun chassis - but I don't like the stock cloth seats. I'd love to try the Recaro's. Wish I could afford an ST, just to see the differences. Hands down though, the Mazdaspeed is more of a monster stock....

[@davidjohnston4345]

They aren’t competitors. They are basically the same car made by the same people.

[@eliudtes]

My mazdaspeed3 2010 as 160 000 miles. And I have no problems rather than suspension noises …..