Folding ACES Preflop!? | WSOP 2024 Main Event Day 1D

It's Day 1 of the biggest poker tournament in the world, the World Series of Poker $10,000 Main Event, and you have aces. Will you ever fold them preflop in any scenario???
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[@stevenwilson8718]

I just did a small sample test on the AA question. If everyone behind you is going all in on the first hand, then they would also all have high premium hands. So delt 8 handed 20 times with all premium hands and the AA in that position only held 2 times and both were a chop. Probably need a bigger sample size but that gives me enough info to fold and wait for a better situation.

[@OsefKincaid]

It's most likely a call but also this situation can't ever happen so who cares thinking about it is just a waste

[@jackcollins7061]

Pocket Aces = All in. There is no better "spot" than pocket Aces pre flop. What are you even talking about.

[@jackcollins7061]

@@user-qs3ym5qe1b "like mindset" yeah being weak and having no hope of making final table as you are folding Aces pre flop like a nutter..

[@stevenwilson8718]

@@jackcollins7061 I know it's stupid to even think about because it wouldn't ever happen. But play it out. I just had surgery and got home from the hospital so I am bored sitting here at home recovering for a few weeks. So I decided to waste time playing out this stupid scenario. Did another 20 hands and AAs still only held up 20% and half of those were chops (which would be great 8 or 9 handed). All the pros say not to take unnecessary risks on the first couple days of the main and this scenario is the first hand of the first day of the main.... I'm obviously really bored. Lol

[@jackcollins7061]

@@stevenwilson8718 get well soon gent. I don't disagree with a computer statistics. But. It's AAs pre flop. Not a conversation: you call.

[@qwerty4561]

Flop a straight with Aces, nice.

[@justmusic2353]

If we have AA and our 8 opponents have AKs, AKs, KK, QQ, QQ, JJ, JJ, TT, we have a 58% chance to 9x our stack. If they have AA, KK, Kk,QQ,QQ,JJ,JJ and TT we still have a 70% chance of chopping for a 4.5x stack. If there was a crazy scenario where everyone is all in I’m pretty sure all the big pairs will be held by everyone

[@Jack-ru5mh]

And those are the best case scenarios. 1 or 2 suited connectors like 9-10 or 10-J instead might keep Queens in the deck. If I'm one of the first 4 callers, I'm calling. Last to act and the first hand, it's not something worth risking against 6000 others

[@rppoker8541]

AA is always all in

[@PokerMonkey]

At the 1:36 mark, you called Chris Moneymaker the 2004 Main Event winner. Wanna try again? The 2004 Main Event winner was Not Chris Moneymaker.

[@ColtonScheer.Realtor]

He says 2003, unless it’s Ben edited post upload ?

[@Jack-ru5mh]

I'm not a pro, just a seasoned amateur. If you aren't comprehending the situation, 8 people went all in before you. At this time, you have about what, 21-24% of winning? But if everyone has a strong starting hand, chances are no aces are left, and possibly all Kings. At this time id rather have something like 10, Jack suited. JQ suited won't catch a k for a straight. Not to mention a couple Q are likely gone. Another scenario is someone else also has pocket Aces. Now you're best outcome is a chopped pot with the same assumed hands involved. Of course, how many times have you seen 9 people all in during ANY poker hand in any format?

[@stevenwilson8718]

@@Jack-ru5mh I was thinking a chop is the best case scenario which would be nice 9 handed. But it doesn't seem like anyone else if thinking about how none of the premiums hands can really improve because all the cards would be taken. Only a flush or wheel would be available for the Aces. Nothing for KK QQ JJ. Only low cards left in the deck so definitely a ton of outs for whoever is all in with the worst hand in this insane scenario

[@raoulduke1450]

@@Jack-ru5mh Mathematically it’s a correct call. You are getting 8:1 on a call and with 20% equity, you only need 4:1 to call profitably. The only argument against calling is scared money.

[@Jack-ru5mh]

​@@raoulduke1450Your correct going with the analytics of GTO, but in this specific scenario, is it necessary to risk on the first hand of a 5 day tournament? Chances are your Aces are in another players hand. Hypothetically, if the SB by accident shows only your eyesight pocket A's, will you still call? We both realize this will never happen with the exception of a play money free roll. But it's interesting getting opinions and reasons for this ridiculous situation

[@akaorcram21]

Song in the background: Hard Story - Beatz Aboelezz

[@jarrodfulton]

Yoooo the accidental grenade

[@tonygrant3062]

Think maybe you can fold AA on bubble with a few all ins and not a big stack just to get in money ìn next hand or two , but would be an odd situation

[@andyv123]

For an opportunity to 9x up, you snap call, then go home and play day 3 😂

[@leftyswildkingdom2936]

Moneymaker never misses a meal.

[@TopherOKeefe]

Heads-up, Aces is always a favorite. Four ways, it is more likely that Aces loses rather than wins. At the end of the day, it’s just one pair.

[@withlovefromfloor6343]

Poker is alive and well...

[@alan.55]

Says moneymaker won the 2004 main event. I guess the poker boom didn't start in 2003 😂

[@OkayAllDay]

Yeah how could a Poker News outlet not get that he won in 2003, the golden year that poker went mainstream. It's like interviewing Tom Brady and saying "5 time Superbowl winner". Double check your shit before you broadcast it.

[@somepeoplecanthandlethetruth]

In 2006 or 2007 I had a buddy who won a satellite in the 5k main event in New Orleans. I want to say it was $100 satellite. About 15-20 hands in he was UTG with aces he raised, another guy 3 bets pretty large gets shoved on from the cut off. My buddy folded the aces and the 3 better shipped it. 3 better made a four flush with his aces against the cut offs kings who didn’t bust out but was on life support. My buddy ended up cashing but Ivey cracked his aces and knocked him out.

[@greenspanp]

Moneymaker was the 2003 winner, not 2004

[@Nasdupree9090]

If the whole tables all in your odds of winning aren’t good. You’d already have to assume two of your outs for a set or quads is gone and assume majority of people in there have two live cards to bust you. 9-10 handed whatever it is, pocket aces more then likely get cracked if everyone’s all in

[@ITube4RealFun]

so AA vs a bunch of smaller pocket pairs and you have the same chance of hitting set as the rest of the table and the fact that you're already ahead of all of them makes it a call ?

[@Nasdupree9090]

Who says anybody’s jamming or calling with smaller pocket pairs? This is just a degenerate question that would never happen because it’s a bingo flip. You’d have to assume 2 others hold an ace, maybe another 2 have a small pocket pair then the other 4 calling with suited connectors or just any two live cards. It’s too degenerate of a flip that would never happen, and I personally wouldn’t want my tourney riding on a 9 man flip preflop

[@kellyallen8528]

In this situation you would have to fold. Take a deck yourself and deal out this situation. You don't win that often.

[@creamrising]

Chris Moneymaker is the John Daly of poker.

[@diggerblair7460]

He got extremely lucky and cards helped but that's what it takes

[@elio-7911]

All the wsop previous winners were lucky, to win the main event specifically the luck factor needs to be on your side all the way

[@mikejames7253]

Calling 100% LfG

[@OkayAllDay]

I'd fold. I just ran the scenario and deal 9 hands with me having aces. I lost to two pair.

[@donh3590]

and the next number is......B......4.......BINGO

[@jamesguest4741]

If I was odds maker I'm pay 1k too 1 woman wins and 10 too 1 one makes finale six

[@raydalton1110]

its a very dumb question because NEVER EVER will that happen everyone go all in pre flop and you got pocket aces in the wsop main

[@michael2244]

I want to see Kristen or Kelly make a deep run to the final table

[@KhoiNguyen-cx5zf]

Where is AA fold ? Wtf are people talking about?

[@Jack-ru5mh]

With 8 people already in, knowing your not catching an Ace, or worse, another pocket rockets in play. The ranges of suited connectors K-Q, Q-J have more upside hitting a better hand. Obviously, this isn't something that happens every weekend playing a 100 SNG. Now if this was a cash game or a re buy, I'm all in

[@stevenwilson8718]

@@KhoiNguyen-cx5zf 9 handed, AA wins 1.3% of the time and chops 50%. It would be a nice chop though! The lowest all in hand would be the only one that can improve and all the cards left would be the low ones. And every pro says not to take unnecessary risks on the first couple days of the main and this scenario is the first hand of the first day. And it's basically a flip

[@Nasdupree9090]

Money maker is the biggest industry plant

[@UnknownWarriorZz]

Of course it’s a fold if EVERYONE is all in, heads up it’s a snap call.

[@stevek5064]

Wrong answer

[@z0mbyd0nky]

Folding aces first hand with a chance to 9x your starting stack IDC anyone who says fold is dumb that is almost 500k chips you will coast the first 3 days chance are even if you fold you will not make the money lol only a nit would fold why a chance to knock 8-9 players out and chip lead why fold

[@707ridah]

Anyone folding AA preflop should just 🔥 to there 10K

[@diggerblair7460]

Never folding AA pre

[@707ridah]

@diggerblair7460 I'd rather watch my AA get crushed instead of being a huge B****

[@stevenwilson8718]

The situation was if everyone at the table has just shoved behind you preflop. That means everyone else also has AA or 2 AKs and KKs QQs JJs etc. All the premium cards taken. Could only hold with a flush or straight flush wheel or get a chop.

[@707ridah]

@stevenwilson8718 I still call, why not poker had more luck than skill when it's called out like this and if I lose, so be it

[@bradjones4145]

9 handed at best your at best 20% favorite. Thats a insta fold but It will never happen

[@EnglishwithNate]

folding aa preflop with at least 75% chance of winning is insane. they do know they'll have double the chips if they win right? Good luck doubling more easily than that...Guy who is waiting for set or straight, yeah enjoy losing to the over set or flush buddy! flush draw on flop has better chance of busting your set/straight.

[@mikeyluk5113]

You’re not 75% to win, that’s the point. With everyone all in you are less than 50%

[@josmc1]

It's more like 30%

[@user-gy9zd2zw9t]

I would fold my tournament life preflop with AA. I wouldn’t fold in a rebuy or cash game but the main. Because there are better spots where you can see all 5 board cards and actually play poker.

[@andrewcole1564]

let's get fired up in here boys!!! never ever folding aces no matter what

[@stevenwilson8718]

If everyone at the table goes all in behind you in the 1st hand, then you very rarely improve and hold because all the AAs KKs QQs JJs are gonna be taken already. Maybe hit a nut flush but most likely gonna chop or get sucked out.

[@withlovefromfloor6343]

The # of people saying they would fold is making me sick

[@Adorn0_poker]

Poker is alive and well if there's ppl that opt to fold. Prolly learn to do basic 2nd grader maths first before you decide to go play a 10k.

[@melissathompson7229]

Obviously having 25 percent chance at a 9x starting stack....snap calling. Unless you truly believe you have a big enough edge which most people don't, but most people think theyre the next Ivey

[@joegug4751]

Lol A guy yesterday his first hand was heads up AA against KK it went runner runner for a straight KK was the winner. I’d call every time heads up but 3 or more hands all in besides me you really have to think about it before you call.

[@diggerblair7460]

It is difficult when it's multiple ways heads up it's a snap but 3 or more got to consider folding

[@Brandon-hg7ic]

Think about what?

[@lmrbeerbellyl]

THE CHAMPION WILL BE FEMALE DERP DERP DERP DERP. Get a personality.

[@Chronicseedsinc]

Who’s responsible for destroying the poker go KZbin algorithm?? You guys will never learn!! Quit making stupid decisions blacking out coverage we want people to see they can have a chance to win, and bring more new faces in.

[@pokernewsdotcom]

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