Jungleman Dishes on Game of Gold, Tom Dwan Debts | Life Outside Poker #11

In the 11th episode, Connor speaks with Dan "Jungleman" Cates about accountability in poker, his notorious heads-up challenge with Tom Dwan, Game of Gold, climbing Mount Kilimanjaro, mindfulness in poker and his new podcast Winning the Game of Life. Cates also talked about his iconic Poker Players Championship outfits and a six-figure downswing he experienced at Bellagio during the summer.
Time stamps:
0:00 Intro
0:32 Six-figure downswing at Bellagio
4:54 Going back into teaching
06:44 Accountability in poker
07:52 Creating jobs for poker players
12:06 How to hold players accountable
18:18 Has Tom Dwan paid his debts
21:30 Being one of the best heads-up players
21:54 Getting into poker in college
24:32 Video games
27:11 Winning the PPC back-to-back
31:07 PPC outfits
33:34 Game of Gold
38:08 Starting a podcast
44:37 Climbing Mount Kilimanjaro and Mount Kailash
49:11 Mindfulness in poker
50:44 What makes you hopeful?
52:32 Advice for younger self
53:16 Life lessons from poker
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[@ants84]

Yes he’s a genius, yes he’s different, but most importantly he clearly has a good heart and that’s why people genuinely like him.

[@tonyflow6244]

Jungle is gloriously odd

[@JasonCannon-th3pc]

I think he’s a very smart guy that pretends to be dumb

[@Bowling_Dude]

A lot of people who are extremely intelligent in things like math or science often are pretty reserved with their emotions as they approach life in a very analytical way. I think that's the case here with Jungle.

[@tonyflow6244]

@@Bowling_Dude he’s never really made a secret or a philosophy about his neurodivergence, if only we could all be so unapologetic and successful 😘

[@ww2079]

Jungle Musk

[@genesises]

@@JasonCannon-th3pc he's not pretending anything. he's just doing him and doesn't care at all wether you think he seems dumb or not.

[@dlo2895]

Wow I wasn’t expecting that level of empathy and genuineness from jungle 👏

[@LevelofClarity]

This is a fantastic Interview.

[@luvtotrade2009]

he is 34 but no one would be shocked if he was 54

[@billj4525]

He does appear much older than 34, at least very late 40s.

[@tommyfu9271]

He looks older than 34 but c'mon 54 is absurd

[@bentonja668]

Best all-around poker player in the world

[@2160michael]

My favorite player of all time

[@VanPeeples-sh5wp]

We love you jungle over 5-Thousand

[@toms3664]

We love Jungle man ! Would love to play head up Pai Gow poker against Jungle

[@shanemichael3925]

Tax man would love to hear more about the cash game

[@alib5085]

That's D cat, a legendary jungleman

[@brewsandbass5572]

He reminds me of Jack Nicholson.

[@billj4525]

Really? I don't see that, but I'm curious to what about him reminds you of Jack? The fact that they're both somewhat odd?

[@Will_Moffett]

He's pretty much the opposite of both Nicholsons characters and real life persona. Nicholson represents impulse driven narcissism with a penchant for violence and snark and levels of smugness ordinary people can't concieve. Jungleman seems like the opposite of that to me.

[@brewsandbass5572]

@@billj4525 Hard to understand his thinking.

[@JICM25]

@@Will_Moffett AHAHA, brilliant descrption

[@SpaceMonkey616]

I really love the Jungle, he's such a great guy. The world is a far more interesting place with him in it. Thanks for this podcast.

[@RaddyKahl]

I wish Jungle was my dad

[@ButtPunisher-qv4fb]

Legend

[@bennybeeeee]

Ask him. Worst case, he says no.

[@BeegYoshi24]

You want an absent autistic father?

[@markhatkevich6082]

He is ,looks like you

[@biillyy]

this video of him just made me change my whole image of him..he’s a good dude besides that he b dressing all crazy

[@paulosborne9404]

Jungle is great

[@marvinsgardenproduce798]

Good luck finding a way to make it fun long-term for "recreationals" to lose. There will always be a cap on how many people there are who are willing to lose money playing at a disadvantage.

[@Burbs1976]

Jungle is definitely wired different. Great player

[@gergohegyesi2266]

I am 42 but this guy looks much much older.. But really nice fella🙂

[@mrsiimes8463]

He is not only high on life

[@michaelb4090]

The reason people don’t like others to know where they play is probably a safety thing even if they don’t realize it I think 🤔 the jungle is the man 🎉

[@mult336]

i likke it

[@stevet8121]

What happened to him after he combed his hair?

[@michielankersmit8656]

I never expected him to play Fire Emblem, good taste!

[@randywade5095]

Mushrooms or what 😂

[@SJtoobsox]

Is Cates trained in anything?

[@jonnyhicks2076]

winning millions in cash games hahaha

[@user-zu2ge9vs6y]

How is life in the gambling jungle?

[@ww2079]

$100 an hour lol

[@DEGENERATE_sendit]

Man this guy is such a genius. He gave the most long winded explanation of a credit score for poker players I’ve ever heard, because he knows he’s way more intelligent than the average person and feels like he needs to make a complex idea very simple…as many geniuses do. 🐐

[@uBenji1234]

Hard to see the diff between millionaire poker pro n homeless...

[@randywade5095]

Mushrooms

[@MikeJones-zu7cq]

I watch him and know about him. But is this dude on drugs , odd , or a combination of both?

[@howard5992]

Odd only.

[@alexthedeal1827]

'Poker helps to create a middle class'......... wow.. It's good that he talks about society but it's not all gold

[@noahschmartz2354]

how were any of Dwans bluffs courageous or valid if he was using money borrowed from people and having no intention of paying it back?

[@GRice999]

"No intention of paying it back?" Where did you hear that? The issue with Cates is not finishing a heads-up challenge where he fell far behind. Then with slow paying when an agreed upon settlement was made. I haven't heard he borrowed money and refused to pay it back.

[@davemarnell8871]

He's probably being fronted the money (by people running the game, maybe) and the only way he profits is if he wins.

[@JasonJohnContos]

@@GRice999you’ve obviously got your head in the sand if you support Dwan and aren’t aware of his debt situation.

[@GRice999]

@@JasonJohnContos Support Dwan? When did I do that? And how did you come to that asinine conclusion?

[@Will_Moffett]

"Don't we want everyone to win" Nope. There are only a small percentage of us who want that. And probably the only reason I want it is not because Im a great guy but because I realize that, in the nuclear age, it's either we all win or we all die. Wanting everyone to win is the moral and rational position.

[@user-um1kr8vy1e]

This guys talk in circles. Just play poker dude.

[@steveo288]

Jungleman has yet to discover what a comb is used for. Why is is important too know who plays at what casino? Who cares? I couldn't watch more than 4 minutes as both these guys were putting me asleep.

[@tommyfu9271]

Bye

[@jonyrodz]

Does he dress like a homeless guy on purpose? He should also fire his hair stylist!

[@CRAIG5835]

It is summer in Vegas, and they are currently breaking records for the temperature. Dressing that way he gets a pass from actual street beggars they think he is 'Staff.'

[@billj4525]

Did you listen to the interview? I feel like someone who thinks the way he does is not going to care much about dressing well or his hair. I mean he could, but I have my doubts.

[@genesises]

@@billj4525 the upside is you save time and you don't have to deal with people like the original commenter - who are superficial to the point of being judgmental

[@andrewdinns1746]

he used to be best dressed in poker lol.

[@ww2079]

Talking abouf poker debt for 30 mins yawn who cares. Mosnt debts originate from greddy backers

[@tommyfu9271]

Most debt originate from a ton of shitty broke "pros" Most backers never make a dime from these losers.

[@ww2079]

@tommyfu9271 yeah because of terrible staking deals that leave players stuck in makeup until they bail out of the "deal"

[@tommyfu9271]

@@ww2079 how is that terrible? The backer ends up losing money not the tournament "pro". It's a good deal for the so called" pro".

[@ww2079]

@tommyfu9271 yeah they just spend tons of time making zero money with tons more time Committed to getting out of the makeup

[@tommyfu9271]

@@ww2079 if they're good and win they make money, if they get buried they break even as opposed to losing tons of money if they were playing on their own time. 95 percent of these backed "pro" are losers wasting their lives who need to get jobs.

[@billywright9240]

Do you have a special ripple that leaks when you get excited about different poker players? If so, what will happen if you interview phil ivey?

[@billywright9240]

It's so crazy., I obviously see that jungle is a genius-nut case. But I just can't get over that stain in your opening segment.

[@billywright9240]

*stain on your shirt

[@billywright9240]

Nice fat stain on your shirt! Real professional

[@connorrichards2625]

That is the microphone!