Follow Him Podcast: Episode 9, Part 2-D&C 18-19 with guest Dr. Scott Woodward | Our Turtle House

What happened when the Lord provided for the Three Witnesses to view the plates? Should we revere Egbert Grandin for assisting in printing the Book of Mormon or Martin Harris?
Hank Smith and John Bytheway continue to discuss the exorbitant cost of printing the Book of Mormon, how the early Restorationists learn about church governance, and the concept of hell. Things get hot as we conclude our episode with Dr. Scott Woodward and Doctrine and Covenants 18-19.Dr. Scott Woodward is the managing director at www.doctrineandcovenantscentral.org . Stop by and see all the great content for your Come, Follow Me studies.
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[@christinaellsworth527]

I am just blown away by what was shared in this podcast. I keep thinking: how have I been in the church for over 40 years and not realized this?! It's wonderful! Thank you! I love Dr. Woodward's image of Christ tenderly speaking to Martin. When a section starts with "I am Alpha and Omega" I think of His voice being angry and booming. When I read Section 3, I initially had the same thought but realized that the Lord was lovingly assuaging Joseph's fears. I pictured the Lord's hand on Joseph's shoulder telling him that all was not lost. Section 9 is just as tender. I've got to remember that the Lord's voice is not in the earthquake. It is loving, with His arms wrapped around us, telling us that He has the power to understand what we are experiencing and that He can help us.

[@csagers]

Dr.Woodward-thank you for the incredible work on those videos through Doctrine and Covenants Central! Life changing. Brother Smith and Bytheway-these podcasts are making all the difference. A sincere and hearty THANK YOU!

[@stephaniemiller8229]

My goodness! Such insight and wisdom and gratitude I’m feeling after watching this podcast. Thank you for blessing my life and strengthening my faith. 🥰❤️

[@mountaincountrytraditions6292]

Great insights! Thank you for sharing

[@TeamHuckleberry]

Nice! Very informative.

[@shelisepaulson7559]

I feel the same Hank!! Every section and every episode of this podcast becomes my favorite. Thanks to you and John and the people in the background that make this possible. Thanks to Steve (🥰 his generous life he led-he is missed) and his wife Shannon for producing this. @ourturtlehouse

[@karacastillo8471]

Please Please Please... make a short clip of the "eyes on me" part that can be shared!! 50:50 to 52:40.... this spoke volumes to me!! I could watch it over and over and over!! Thank you for all you do!! I can't wait for each new episode!!

[@LatterDaily]

Thank you so much for watching!

[@lisaand24]

I feel such tender emotions right now and am so grateful for this podcast. I am learning more each week and my testimony continues to grow. I can't even express the depth of my gratitude for Hank Smith, John Bytheway and all of these incredible experts. Thank you so very much!

[@LatterDaily]

Thank YOU for listening!

[@perryewell5395]

I feel almost like I'm studying the D&C for the first time. Thank you for bringing these inspiring guests into the conversation and diving deeply into this treasure of the Restoration.

[@dorothypitts4768]

Full-body chills from hearing the discussion on Section 19. Mind-blowing truths have just enlightened and strengthened my testimony of the Doctrine and Covenants, of the Savior, Jesus Christ, and the Prophet Joseph Smith. I hope I never forget this episode of Follow Him! Just completely excellent!

[@marytaylor3675]

Loved Dr Woodward’s testimony at the end!

[@janetmcleod2158]

Section 19 verse 39.This sums up how I feel about listening to the amazing insights to these sections. My cup is overflowing!! Thank You. Also, thank you, for Dr. Woodward's words about those who leave the Church after studying Church history. They should study DEEPER!!. I know of one sister and her family who left because of learning of the Sear Stone. She is constantly on my mind as I study Church History.

[@jillhorkley9158]

Martin had a test of abundance. When we have been blessed with abundance it’s not all for us but to bless others

[@eldeanwhimpey2736]

Love, love, love this insight into Martin Harris! It gives me great hope and comfort! Thank you!

[@ashleybrown5399]

Wow! I learned so much! Thank you for sharing your talents, knowledge and experiences with us! These podcasts have been a great blessing for me and for my family! Thank you!!

[@pgray5223]

Thank you again. I am amazed at how much I am learning! No wonder we need to continually study the scriptures.

[@chickinuggies74]

Thank you so much for these podcasts. I LOVE learning about the personal context behind these sacred revelations and makes our family scripture study so much more relevant and interesting.

[@jenniferjergensen177]

Where can I find the quote by Martin Harris about the covenant that he made? So many powerful points in these podcasts!! Thank you!!

[@LatterDaily]

Thank you for reaching out. You can find all of the show notes and transcripts at this link: followhim.co/episodes/

[@katieespenschied550]

Gentleman, thank you for all the amazing insights and spirit these lessons bring. Even listening at double speed it takes me hours to get through because I have to pause so often to take notes, mark scriptures, etc - there is so much good in these conversations. Thank you for bringing each of us closer to Christ.

[@egao3046]

Mind and heart blown again. Thank you to the whole team, surely you have very busy lives and I appreciate so much the time and effort you put into these podcasts. The result is faith-strengthening and testimony building. Can you also let your spouses know I thank them? They are the ones holding the fort in the background to make this possible, like the Whitmer women or Emma Smith!

[@wendyfritz8907]

I found this episode to be illuminating - thank you for sharing!

[@801mom]

I had my doubts.... that I would enjoy this channel as much as the ones I have been watching the past few years. But you guys knock it out of the park every week! Keep up the good work!!

[@karenhammon6592]

follow Him has become my favorite Come Follow Me study experience. Thank you. I look forward to future broadcasts as we study the Doctrine and Covenants.

[@zoeanderton2142]

Love these insights. Thank you

[@lyndongrunewald]

One of the best discussions so far! I felt the Holy Ghost very powerfully by the truths discussed in this podcast. The family discussion that followed in our home was amazing because of what we learned here first. I very much appreciate all the work done for these and Dr. Woodward's willingness to share his testimony and knowledge. My kids don't think I cry so I'm glad I listened to this in my office! Hank and John were ok too! ;-D

[@lindabrower6838]

This discussion has helped so much! To me it was about changing my attitude. I have had to make some big changes in my life that I didn’t want to make. This lecture put making those changes in perspective. I loved learning that the my Savior isn’t ‘angry’ in a mortal way but in a parenting way. Don’t we as mortal parents do the same with our children to protect them? Thank you for reminding me of this perspective!

[@LatterDaily]

Thank YOU so much for sharing!

[@kathleensmith8969]

Love this trio 🥰

[@jimcox92]

I love this! Amazing ! I feel so enlightened. I look forward every week for each new episode!

[@carolynmonahan2488]

Amazing review of Section 19. Doubt I'll ever forget the Savior's personal comments and love.

[@jenniferfiso4403]

This is one of my favorite episodes. I have come to love Dr Woodward. He has an accent. And could be a good rapper. I loved how he read chapter 19 in a way that made so much sense. When he said, “Endless is my name!” I smiled! Needed a brat to that! So so good. I loved everything shoot this episode. And yes Hank, I say the same thing after each one too. So so good. You are my new favorite. Thank you for the light.

[@jenniferfiso4403]

I meant, needed a beat to that...😃 Endless is my name! 👌🏼

[@joyogilvie3639]

This second part was so excellent and revealing. Of personal awareness for Martin Harris and what the Lord would do to help him in his contribution. It really makes me want to focus more on where the end goal is for me. And what the Lord wants all of us to try to obtain because I his sacrifice.

[@carriephelps9507]

Wow! So powerful and so much new insight. The spirit is strong in this one. My heart is full with gratitude for Martin Harris giving up so much to bring forth the Book of Mormon to us all, and of course, for my Savior and His tender care.

[@nancyappleby274]

This is the first one I've listened to. Not sure why i waited so long .. might have to go back and watch the rest

[@TheGrams56]

I just started watching a couple of weeks ago and going back is exactly what I’ve done! It will be worth every minute you spend!!!

[@fesolai1911]

Thank you brothers for another awesome session of study that is well guided by the spirit. "If ye receive not the Spirit, ye shall not teach". I always learn so much from you guys, but also from the influence of the Spirit... which you guys bring each week.

[@paulamcclellan1070]

Thank you so much. I have several podcasts I'm following and this one is the missing piece!

[@lisaw.1601]

Love the podcast. In Section 19, verse 38, is "my Spirit" the same as the Holy Ghost or is it something different? Thank you.

[@05beej]

🤯 you guys are blowing my mind with Section 19! I cannot thank you enough! I have been STRUGGLING with Doctrine and Convents, but this, this has brought so much more to it for me! Once again thank you so much!

[@owner2303]

1:02:01 a great resource to learn history of the church in the right context is reading the book Saints.

[@teresaboyd2075]

I am so glad I found this podcast! I have learned SO much, and I understand so much more. It is good to hear John speak up more- (You were a little quiet the first couple of episodes.) I cannot thank you enough for all this. ❤👏❤ I have repented of my judgements of poor Martin.

[@femfitfam8373]

Such a great devotional! I felt the spirit so strong, thank you! You guys bring up so many wonderful things that sometimes I wonder if we’re reading the same chapters😂

[@CoachTami]

Man I am so thankful for these podcasts. I can’t wait to share this with my teenagers and discuss this “eye to eye” conversation.

[@itsHeatherKay]

Oh my goodness, I love Scott Woodward! 🥰 Hi, old friend!!

[@ruthgrey9884]

Thank you so much! I loved the part where you discussed how the Lord used the weak things of the earth (Martin and Joseph being two of them) and made them strong (Joseph as the first prophet of Christ’s restored church and Martin’s tremendous sacrifice to finance the publishing of The Book of Mormon). I don’t think it was a backhanded complement when the Savior told Joseph this. I think it was simply a fact that they both knew. What a beautiful message of redemption!

[@jonathanwrigley8732]

I loved the quote Hank shared from Elder Maxwell about God's anger and wrath. But I can't find it. Would you mind sharing the reference? Thanks!

[@cherylclausen7718]

I'm way behind but I would like to know where to find Elder Maxwell's quote about God's anger. because we have harmed ourselves that Hank read

[@LatterDaily]

Great question! You can find show notes and transcripts to all the follow him episodes here: followhim.co/episodes/ 🐢❤️

[@robertlasher]

Your Podcasts are wonderful and so informative! And you two work so well together! Thank you from Rigby, Idaho, very near Rexburg where Brother Woodward teaches,

[@tonybrigmon]

Loving these podcasts and how they invite the Spirit. For all your efforts in preparing, thank you. I noticed the improvement in lighting and video quality. Curious if you or someone on your production team can share your current setup (lighting, camera, mic) now. Thank you.

[@lynettemckenzie9044]

Anyone know how Mrs. Harris reacted???

[@gailhigginbotham9666]

Thank you for your excellent presentation. What is the citation for the quote by Elder Maxwell regarding God's anger?

[@AndrewJohnsonCPA]

Seems to me like EB Grandin made a 50% return on the deal. According to your figures, he made $1000 profit on $3000 revenues. So his cost/investment was $2000. $1000 profit on $2000 investment is 50% return right?

[@debbiestebbing8974]

Dr. Woodward shared a quote from Martin Harris about 9 minutes into this episode. Would you be willing to share where that quote is found? Thanks

[@MichaelDouglasSkewes]

3 thousand dollars is about 85 thousand in today's world. Also ,it says endure to the end,but it was a huge thong Martin Harris had to do. Same with Emma,I think she just finally broke down.

[@rockallred658]

Great episode. Martin Harris will inherit the Celestial Kingdom for financing the Book of Mormon. And more so for surviving being married to Lucy Harris.

[@suzannaylor653]

Not that it would have made much difference in Martin's struggle, but perhaps he had been blessed with a prosperous farm for the sole purpose of bringing forth the Book of Mormon...

[@lindabrower6838]

What is the reference for Elder Maxwells definition of God’s anger?

[@LatterDaily]

Thank you for reaching out. You can find all of the show notes and transcripts at this link: followhim.co/episodes/

[@jillmartin9201]

Hi, I’m trying to find the first presidency message about other religions that was referenced. Could you give a link?

[@LatterDaily]

Thank you for reaching out. You can find all of the show notes and transcripts at this link: followhim.co/episodes/

[@IIIJT]

I'm not sure some of the way repentance and forgiveness, sin and righteousness is being presented (in an eternal sense) as productive as it could be. Honestly I may be misunderstanding the presenters position. It often feels like we are being given stubborn mules manual to success. Carrot in front with the whip behind. This unfortunately setup a transactional relationship with heaven and can lead to a kind of toxic perfectionism and or scrupulosity. When we have a perfectionist mindset we have a powerless Christ. This Jesus cannot do what he promised as His mercy is truly conditional beyond even mortal limits. How could we as must earn his grace through active pursuit or near perceptual achievement of often irrational perfectionist standards. Maybe the misunderstanding happens with this mistranslation. Fun differences in translation: Matthew 5:48 Greek : " “Ἔσεσθε” οὖν ὑμεῖς “τέλειοι” ὡς ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν ὁ οὐράνιος τέλειός ἐστιν. KJV 48.Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. NASB 48Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. Literal Verse: You will certainly be you yourselves complete as the Father of yours, the sky one, is complete. I think it's important to remember we are born flawed human beings, living in a flawed world, with imperfect solutions to imperfect situations with which we are granted imperfect outcomes. Ultimately, it takes imperfections to allow us to Learn and Grow. Otherwise, why even have opposition in all things… or in other words, yin and yang, dark and light, strength and weakness Etc? Maybe imperfect is the perfect state on this world. Thought experiment: A $100 bill dropped on the ground, ripped, ran over, randomly exchanged or used and abused, and soiled. Maybe this $100 bill was used to buy drugs, then ripped and wrinkled in its travels and eventually discarded. What is its value now? Whin in our travels we find this pitiful looking 100 dollar bill and take it to any… any Bank or business... will it still be worth its stated value? Yes! There is no question as it does not lose its value and nor do we. We are the hundred-dollar bill. Our lives can have meaning, purpose and value despite of our imperfection. Maybe imperfection actually makes us beautiful. Go live, love, laugh, and be more free by letting go of the evils of perfection. Wabi- sabi In traditional Japanese aesthetics, wabi-sabi (侘寂) is a world view centered on the acceptance of transience and imperfection. The aesthetic is sometimes described as one of beauty that is "imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete". I think we need to remember that Jesus said Matt 11:30 "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light"

[@MichaelDouglasSkewes]

Eternity is 3billion 500 million years . Just so you know.

[@leslieshelton1835]

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[@MichaelDouglasSkewes]

@@leslieshelton1835 exactly! That is what I would expect. Eternity is mentioned, no one I have known ,knows That fact. Try and listen again what is being said. I have studied Church History and world history, because some things you probably won't learn in Sunday school, or in these podcasts!

[@LatterDaily]

That is an interesting opinion. We haven't found any firm data to back this number but thank you for sharing it with us.

[@brendahedin1927]

Maybe I missed it in the “Saints” book or other places, but who set the number as 5,000 copies? Why couldn’t they start with 1,000 copies of the book?

[@lynettemckenzie9044]

In Revelations in Context, in the chapter called “The Contributions of Martin Harris”, it mentions the 5,000 but doesn’t talk about the discussion that led to the determined number. Based on Joseph Smith’s optimism about the number of copies he later wanted published of the Book of Commandments (twice the number they actually were able to print), I have always assumed the same applies here. Interesting question!

[@markstastny4945]

Loving these weekly podcasts added to my regular study of CFM. Great insights and historical context provided by you and your guests. Also looking forward to checking out doctrineandcovenantscentral.org and adding that as well.

[@marytaylor3675]

Loved Dr Woodward’s testimony at the end!