Food Forest vs Orchard: Which Works Best For You?

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@jameswoody2011 5 ай бұрын

This is my favorite homesteading channel. I admire his passion for it and he always has great info. I’m only 3 years into trying to develop our raw land and he has helped so much.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the kind words James!

@eddieandjulieklysz458 5 ай бұрын

Food forest.

@wandaweber6613 5 ай бұрын

I learn so much when I watch you. I just wish I was 10 years younger and could apply this knowledge on a larger scale for my 4 acres. Thanks Billy

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the vote of confidence, Wanda! Blessings to you and yours!

@Blissfulspaces 5 ай бұрын

Hands down food forest. Food forest fosters biodiversity, while orchard focuses on specific fruits. Love your channel brother!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

@teresaprice5070 5 ай бұрын

And, even that "nuisance" Chines Silver Grass can be precious: it is a favorite long-leaved grass used for weaving baskets, bowls, and mats! 🔥💖

@debbies2966 5 ай бұрын

I’ve been slowly splitting and replanting the comfrey I purchased from you 2-3 years ago. I have comfrey just about everywhere and have already shared it with family and neighbors. The bumble bee population was almost non existent 3 years ago. Now their numbers are exploding all over the yard. It’s such a great food source in the food forest.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

I think you just made my day, my friend! I wish I heard 1000 stories like yours!

@TaxEvasion777 5 ай бұрын

Same, they go crazy for all my clover flowers. Especially the red and crimson clovers

@valaoftheriver 5 ай бұрын

I really appreciate the walk-throughs of your food forest; it's always inspirational. I'm trying to convert an old orchard into a food forest right now, but it's sloooow going! Most trees are severely damaged and diseased, so they take a lot of maintenance from me just to keep them limping along (and I usually have zero time for it). But we'll get there! I'm glad you mentioned that "wild" trees don't bear as much - that's also a blessing, if you're just one person! Had a bumper crop last year I absolutely couldn't keep up with, so that's another important factor for folks to consider.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

You can do it! Just remember that we win this war in inches… not miles.

@DanlowMusic 5 ай бұрын

I feel ya. My Dad's old orchard hasn't been pruned or taken care of at all for 25-30 years. Most trees aren't producing anymore, the grapevines took over pulling down a Gravenstine Apple tree and a Bartlett Pear tree. My son (13 y.o.) and I got back from Mother's Nature and area and planted a Grocery Row Garden in the style of David The Good. Then I had a diabetic problem and had an amputation, so now I'm really behind on the work. I need to get my deer fence up still to protect my young trees. But little by little I will get there. Just like you will get there. Good luck!

@summerhill_homestead 5 ай бұрын

Love it, Billy and Michelle! Thank you for sharing. We are finally moving further from our suburban home in the Atlanta area to 9 acres and I am so ready! Bringing so many perennials, baby fruit trees and some comfrey I got from y’all a ways back.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

That’s what I’m talking about! Thank you so much for your business and thank you for your kind words!

@austintrees 5 ай бұрын

You should see if the apple breeder on KZbin by the name of SkillCult is someone you are able to visit the way you visited Stefan, he has bred a decent amount of awesome apples that I recently grafted onto some trees, and I think it would be awesome to see you bring some of that variety to your food forest.

@emcmann879 5 ай бұрын

This is why I grow black Raspberry and Roses around the perimeter of my yard.

@sonyagregory5711 5 ай бұрын

Hmmmm! I figure in about a week you'll have strawberries everywhere! So when you see me tooting my horn and waving my arms at your gate, you know I've come to take home my share of your luscious berries!🤣🤣🤣 Trust me Maybell who lives across the hollar has a pair of binoculars and she knows what your growing! She'll be over directly to just happen to visit when all them red juicy strawberries are free for the pickin! Ha! Ha! Just Joshin! You have a phenomenal place there. How I wish I were your neighbor. I could just follow you guys around all day and just listen to you talk and tell stories about your vast knowledge on just about everything! I Love Love You All & Your Channel!😊❤🍓🍓🍒🍎🍏🍑

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, Sonya!

@raulfirmamental 5 ай бұрын

My man Billy from the Permaculture pimp cast is a one of the best people I know out there go gorilla gardeners !!!!! much love from Firmamental

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much, my brother!

@ramonanettles2329 5 ай бұрын

We raise babydoll sheep to mow under our orchard. Then, our edible hedges are like mini food forests that grow into stronger fences.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Now that sounds like a fantastic strategy!

@jeanniewright2554 5 ай бұрын

I enjoy the food tours! Thank you!!

@norcalgal6785 5 ай бұрын

Thx Billy & Michelle! 😊

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for watching and responding!

@jeremyhula931 5 ай бұрын

I'm going to put a death hedge around my property, eventually. I learned a lot of different hedges with big huge spikes & poisonous thorns from David The Good. That combined with a high-powered electric fence on the inside of the hedge line. Booby traps & such. The power running through the fence can be quickly adjusted down in case the powers that shouldn't be ask questions. Then you can have some cane to keep the other animals from the high-powered electric fence. Then you can have your animals electric fence. I've been thinking about this for years.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

That’s what I’m talking about, bro!

@AlleyCat-1 5 ай бұрын

Another great video you too. My time allows me to grow weeds (foxtail, chickweeds) lol We did get 2 fruit tree's planted, 3 more to go. Plus anymore we pick up. My strawberries are making a come back (transplant & temp shock from being in a hoop house, on top of freezing temps the next day being snowed on. Lol) blackberries are making a come back (some) after being rudely dug up. Blueberry from last yr is still hanging on but not thriving, just existing. But you give me more idea's each time, much to my husband's dislike. 😅

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

That is so awesome to hear my friend! Stay at it!

@lgdolls1 5 ай бұрын

Love this video... look forward to the next tour in full production. DH and I are in yuppie suburbia and have built a homestead on our 1/3acre lot...fortunately no homeowners assoc.... And the food forest is perfect for us. We have fruit trees and berries and all sorts of veggies even in the front yard. And neighbors have no idea what's growing behind the rose fence. Food forests, and absolutely orchards, are fantastic, even in yuppie suburbia.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Sounds great! It sounds like you’re operating in a tactical fashion, my friend!

@gardenofseeden 5 ай бұрын

I love to see people who share the same mindset, ambitions, dedication, and values as myself. God bless ya!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

We feel exactly the same way my friend!

@rachaelwedd1572 5 ай бұрын

Cheers for that - always more to learn!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Glad to hear it!

@nomandatoryvaxing7433 5 ай бұрын

I love how you always look at things from a prepper/tactical standpoint. As a Marine Veteran I also look at things in that manner. We moved to our 3.5+ acres in Southeast Tennessee about a year and a half ago and we haven’t really started our homestead yet but I am trying to acquire the tools and resources to start it. My plan now is to give my yard a bunch more privacy from the two roads that can see my house and yard. I’ll use some green giants and weeping willows and then begin fencing in my pasture which is roughly 1.25 acre. My goal is to get a miniature Jersey dairy cow and possible a few sheep. ~4/5. I figure we can split it into three 0.4 acre sections and rotate them. If I can only get the cow that’s fine. If I can only get the sheep that’s fine. But I also have a 0.75 acre field of grasses that gets all day sunlight. It would be perfect for a high tunnel and orchard/food forest. Being as I am a former NYer I am saving my 0.25 acre front yard for aesthetics. I’ll grow some flowers and grass and hydrangeas etc. Then I have another 0.7 acre where I want to build an outdoor area for my family to hang out in and relax and that’s right next to my stream or as they say down here my crik. My soil is very compacted and nothing but clay a couple/few inches down so my plan is to put a sign up saying “dump your wood chips here, text (my number) for time/date”. My goal for right now is to get a nice little compact 4wd tractor with a loader and backhoe/excavator. That way I can actually keep the yard going so I don’t have to try moving stuff around with a wheel barrow. I recently got a zero turn cub cadet mower which is awesome. My yard faces south and is pretty long and it’s essentially the perfect layout for a food forest. I even have a nice hill behind the house that I can tier so everything gets sun from morning until evening. I also love your antigovernment tilt because that’s how I am. Most people that have served in our military have a growing distrust of our government. Probably the nonstop lies we were told throughout our enlistment am I right? Sorry for rambling but I am super motivated by your channel. You have a great personality that makes me watch 2-5 videos at a time, and although I spend a lot of time working and hanging with the kids I very much want to get my land in order and we find it very pleasing to go out and pick a basket of mulberries so I’m sure once we have a food forest my kids will be very motivated to keep it going, hopefully. But I figure I’m turning 42 this summer and my wife is in her late thirties so we have a few decades to work on everything. I would like to grow enough to survive off the land if I really needed to. Wish me luck.

@IndigenousNijji 5 ай бұрын

Love the setup !! Do you got Sassafras and American Pawpaw?

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

We do, indeed, my friend!

@jeremyhula931 5 ай бұрын

I'm extremely interested in agroforestry. I hope, pray, and work towards having it all. I want to help sustain life when everything collapses. I pray like everything's on God and I work like it's all on me.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Great minds think alike, Jeremy! I’m doing the very same thing.

@ss-kz9ee 5 ай бұрын

I find pest management is easier in a food forest with the help of the birds. And other predator insects. It's great to see the ease of care with food forest

@LindaScales-hr5br 5 ай бұрын

Well done Billy, you are always working, both of y'all, do you ever feel the need for a vacation?🙂❤️🙏

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

There are sooo many things we want to see in this world, but in all honesty, we feel like every day is a vacation as long as we get to do this work.

@LindaScales-hr5br 5 ай бұрын

I know y'all are work addicted, that's exactly why I said that. Do take some time off when you get the chance though. I do enjoy, and learn from y'all's videos.🙂❤️🙏

@MySelfReliance 5 ай бұрын

That’s a lot of progress in four years. Is this your 5th growing season on this property?

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

It is indeed, my friend!

@FlomatonFamous 5 ай бұрын

Great points of both styles

@SimplyCanningSharon 5 ай бұрын

Is your definition between the two styles simply the amount of maintenance you do? It seems your “orchard” also has a variety of food and herbs. Which is how I have defined “food forest”. Or is there some other difference?

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

I think it comes down to both maintenance and yield.

@lynn6799 4 ай бұрын

I'm working towards having a food forest that ultimately requires little to no intervention on my part. I have a lot of work to do to get there. Money is limited and time is a little more abundant but not as plentiful as I would like. I'm slowly getting everything established and planted.

@joshua511 5 ай бұрын

Billy is a national treasure.

@yestersdaysheroes 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for another great video Brother. We just fenced in a large garden and started using bone sauce this year (I bought it from you last year and forgot to use it, my mistake) Thanks again for the motivation!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for checking it out and thank you for your business, my friend!

@ramonanettles2329 5 ай бұрын

I also specialize in food that others don't recognize as edible.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

That’s what I’m talking about my friend!

@dwighthires3163 5 ай бұрын

Looking good man.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Thank you very much, Dwight!

@LadysFarm 5 ай бұрын

I love food forest ❤❤❤

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

I’m right there with you, my friend!

@tklang-d6s 5 ай бұрын

❤❤ thank you!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

You are so welcome!

@gangofgreenhorns2672 5 ай бұрын

8:00 the thing out in Cali was to hide them under Manzanita trees lol.

@Rainoutreachtv 5 ай бұрын

I'm in South East Alabama we moved in and they have a peach tree. Last year it seemed to drop most of its fruit even when watering. We mulched it this year and pruned it a little it's doing better but still dropping quite a few peaches, any tips, I don't know the variety they are smaller peaches

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

I would reach out to David the Good because he’s in that same area. He likely has some solid answers.

@h.sinclair 5 ай бұрын

Billy you up early!! ❤

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

The early bird always catches the worm!

@katiedodds8045 5 ай бұрын

Hey Billy and Michelle! Are you guys able to ship bone sauce to Canada? I would love to get some from you this fall if it's at all possible. Thanks and keep up the good work! God Bless!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Yes we can! To set up the details you’ll have to email Michelle at michelle@permapasturesfarm.com.

@tracyridenour8007 5 ай бұрын

You have Chinese Silver Grass problems, i have Quackgrass, Canadian Thistle, and Teasel! So if I'm understanding you, if i put cardboard down n add wood chips probably 3-5 inces thick is the beginning of these invasive weeds they will die out or move out of my garden! Will having Comfrey help and nitrogen fixing trees or plants being grown throughout my garden and having other nitrogen fixers in my garden! I'm hoping you can help me!

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

That is definitely a great place to start Tracy!

@tracyridenour8007 5 ай бұрын

Thank you, I'll let you know how it goes understanding a few years may need to happen to get these eliminated!!

@brycehess6708 5 ай бұрын

I have extreme OCD so mine are in nice straight rows

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

That is perfectly fine, Bryce!

@janew5351 5 ай бұрын

Where did you put the Mont royal plum?

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

I have those in the orchards by the house.

@UniversalTitleHere 5 ай бұрын

What state and climate zone are you guys in? We're selling our modest home in South FL, and I'm trying to get into silvopasture in Tennessee.

@DanlowMusic 5 ай бұрын

Question Billy, how often do you need to reapply the bone sauce? I want to order some and just curious how long it lasts.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

It all depends on the amount of pressure you have, my friend. In some cases it can last years and others it can last months.

@DanlowMusic 5 ай бұрын

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 sweet. I will be ordering some soon. I am putting up some deer netting to help but they wreak havoc.

@DanlowMusic 5 ай бұрын

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 and Thank you for getting back to me. Much appreciated.

@Terri-n6w 5 ай бұрын

What is bone sauce? Is it bone broth?

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Bone sauce is a deer repellent that we make out of bones to repel browsers like deer and rabbits.

@Terri-n6w 5 ай бұрын

@@PermaPasturesFarm21 what's in it?

@fairviewhomestead 5 ай бұрын

@@Terri-n6w bones of intruders 🤣

@Chris-yo4ks 5 ай бұрын

It sure would be nice if there was a list of nitrogen fixers......In the books it talks about putting nitrogen fixers everywhere......ok........nobody seems to provide a perennial list......so far, from your videos, I got black locust, beans, mimosa, clover. That is pretty much all I have been able find.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

Gaia‘s Garden has the best list I’ve ever seen.

@janew5351 5 ай бұрын

Gomi berry, seabuckthorn as well

@jenbear8652 5 ай бұрын

Yes, the book, Gaia’s Garden, has extensive lists of nitrogen fixers fro all different climates and growing zones.

@amymartin7508 5 ай бұрын

Oh gosh.. made another nox garden.. ordered heirloom seeds.. im ready.. time to get in the ground. Augh.. lol

@amymartin7508 5 ай бұрын

Oh, I did have to give kitty his own catnip garden. Lol

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

I’m sure Michelle has one hidden around here somewhere!

@notbarbie582 5 ай бұрын

Where are y located. Not being creepy, just trying to see if your information is suitable for my area.

@PermaPasturesFarm21 5 ай бұрын

We are located in western North Carolina.

@notbarbie582 5 ай бұрын

Thanks. North west Georgia here.

@hippieacresnv 5 ай бұрын

We started with a food forest but are planning a permaculture orchard based on Stefan Sobkowiak's plan on a different property! We just ordered our first rice knife from you! I have been wanting one for a while now, super excited about that!!