Foot Faults But They Get Increasingly More Embarrassing

Foot Faults are not to common in the professional side of disc golf, but sometimes its so bad SOMEONE has to say something!
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[@discgolfcontent]

Like and SUBSCRIBE or your group will call all of your foot faults for eternity! ☝☝👀👀

[@DDPMonster]

Niko has a way of being right but saying it in a way that everyone be disagree with him. 😂

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Well it was hard to accept a foot fault call, when he routinely broke the 30 second rule

[@FreeHempNow]

Typo? or just bad grammar?

[@derpderpin1568]

The entire premise is idiotic. Oh noes, he threw from even further away than he needed to. Foot faults are incredibly stupid and shouldn't exist.

[@__Punisher__]

@@derpderpin1568 Hard disagree, whether intentional or not, planting on a different spot can affect the throw. More importantly, it eliminates any grey area. Though I would agree that in the majority of the cases in this video, it had little impact

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@@derpderpin1568 most the time you are right, in this case, I think Ricky was being slick, because that extra 2 feet gave him better angle to hyzer it, around the tree in front of him.

[@1andonlyMiro]

Paul and Dave calling Simon out exactly as they should and Simon responding EXACTLY as he should. No whining, no ill will, just playing by the rules and admitting ones mistakes.

[@bustatron]

Having other players (who play together a lot) required to call fouls on eachother is one of the BS things about DG.

[@GuamLicker]

I played tennis through college and every match until finals of a tournament you're responsible for calling lines. So if I hit a ball on or near the line my opponent can call it out and that's it. No line judge, no replay, all you can ask is if they are sure and 100% of the time they say yes. I used to make snarky comments that lines were "in" on my side of the court…

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@@GuamLicker yeah and tennis is a lot harder, that’s such a judgement call, when you’re running back and forth hysterically lol

[@jirachie9772]

@@GuamLicker Played competitive tennis aswell and I'd argue, that in tennis it's not as bad somehow. You start calling the lines at the age of 5 or so in pretty much the first practices you attend to. Sometimes there are emotions, sometimes there is foul play. I've had to call for a judge to finish a game a few times. But still, most of the time, few tough calls maybe, no hard feelings after matches. In disc golf I feel like the emotion is very different somehow? First of all, these things slid past for a long time, now you gotta start calling something that people are not used to getting called for. Not only that, I feel like there is a dangerous social aspect in play... Won't call any competitive player a cheat, but will two good friends call each other in a tough spot? Will the players be inequal in terms of this rule? Absolutely.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Calling a foot fault on yourself, and then getting mad at the card…lol

[@Discsforbaskets]

Have to say it's a little dumb to get mad but to play devils advocate, it could have been one of the other players that faulted and apparently no one else on his card would have seconded because they weren't watching each other close enough.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@@Discsforbaskets yeah, people forget, the rules actually state, we’re supposed to pay attention. Lol

[@yrrahyrrah]

@@playdiscgolf1546 How often do we not see players after making a putt turn their back to the other players and stand still, only to resume walking after hearing the next guy’s disc hitting the chains? The idea is to not distract the other player by staring right at them, but this makes it impossible to pay attention to foot faults.

[@lbh704]

I absolutely hate it when peopl get mad after they get called, which is why I hesitate to call foot faults. Even dumber when a pro does that. And to people who say "few inches doesn't change the end results", it's not about the distance you gain by stepping over your lie, the point is that it's a lot easier to throw far when you don't have to think about where your foot is supposed to go.

[@reitairue2073]

This 💯 and it's why I hate my local league nights. Lmfao

[@pontusryden7643]

At 6:10, are they really waiting to see if his putt is good or not before they call the foot fault? That's so petty, why not tell him right away lol

[@villehytonen7279]

In Patrick's case, if there is no marked circle, you should always check with the card mates before the putt whether they think you are in or out. That's what we do in the weeklies.

[@dennis3224]

This was an awesome video. I only play casual and I probably commit so many foot fault on long 2nd throws from being behind my disc lol that’s hard

[@scottsherry1311]

I get calling foot faults if a player is stepping at an angle that gives them a better advantage on their line. But it seems like 90% of these clips are just guys missing the mark by fractions. As a fan, I’m here to watch the best disc golfers in the world do their thing, and in the case of most of these clips, the guys would’ve hit the same line whether they were a few inches closer to their disc or not. Wouldn’t mind if this rule was revised a little bit

[@undeadarmy19]

4:10 that is one of the dumbest foot faults I've EVER seen called. You have a 20cm by 30cm(about 8" by 12" in freedom units) box behind your disc to step in to as your "lie". That is 20cm wide and 30cm long. As long as ANY part of your shoe is inside the box, you're inside the box, even the very tip of your toes. That man was a bit farther back than average, but he was def inside of 12", or at the VERY least, EXTREMELY close to it. Calling a foot fault on someone for being at MOST an inch too far behind their disc on a 300' throw is just a POS thing to do.

[@vJackaRoo]

The foot fault rules were much more strict back in Climo’s days. The rules were made much more lenient in the last few years.

[@vattten]

​@@vJackaRooWhile you are not wrong, the only difference with the definition of a lie was that it was a 30cm line you needed to step on instead of a box. Now I don't know where the line of play is. So, it is hard to say, but assuming he threw somewhat towards basket it is a bogus footfault :)

[@JacobPorterLadder]

I don't actually think GG foot faulted on his. Tough break.

[@brionbee]

A necessary rule that is painful to watch called, especially when the caller seems overjoyed to be able to call it

[@V46RTheDoctor]

I wish I could see the raw footage of the entire Stokely scene. He tosses his hands up, but as he states, he never argues. Still, he’s being given quite a bit of gruff by the card. Wondering if there’s something else there we aren’t seeing.

[@AndrewAkers71015]

It looks like it might be the same round as Ken Climo's foot fault around the 4:10 mark. Could've been a nit picky round

[@mattbroughton750]

Ken Climo sounds like a tool here.

[@nealswanson8684]

The Champ said there was a much more egregious foot fault by Stokely earlier in the round so there was already tension.

[@dennismoniz7384]

ya he was playing with two notorious assholes that didn't like him. stokely's response during this was perfectly acceptable and theirs was out of line.

[@user-rl3ts9zd4w]

Jeremy pushing that FF on brown was petty. He cant call it on himself, Jeremy claims he didnt see it but still wants the penalty. Chump stuff

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII]

Jerm was 100% in the right and should have pushed it harder. What an absolute bitch behavior of Brown to call his own foot fault, backpedal and claim he can't call it on himself and then backpedal a second time and say he didn't foot fault to begin with, as if it wasn't he himself who called it. How hard is it to play fair? It' on camera for all to see. If you know you cheated, man up.

[@davejoseph5615]

Strange that they want to cut it so close as if that extra six inches is really going to help.

[@torridknight783]

Yeah I think its a little nuts to make someone who is running up to their disc to make sure they plant their foot in an area the size of their disc. Its too easy to trip. I don’t see why as long as you are behind your disc its ok. Theres distance advantage but in some cases maybe a small angle advantage.

[@EnginerdBrian]

it's almost like it takes practice and skil

[@Meta-Drew]

It happens enough they should just make stepping on your disc legal - I mean you could mark it and get those extra inches forward anyway - not like it's really any kind of an advantage. Extend the lie to up to the front edge of the disc itself, would change nothing except to get rid of these will they/won't they enforce it situations.

[@guyincognito.]

That would increase your lie by the diameter of the disc. Your lie is 20cm behind the marker, to the marker. If your disc is the marker and you permit stepping on it, your lie is now bigger because you have 20cm plus the diameter of the disc. There's no point having a 20cm lie rule if it's not always 20cm.

[@derpderpin1568]

@@guyincognito. Literally none of that matters or needs to exist. The entire system can be better.

[@maniacpwnageking]

@@guyincognito. Exactly, it's a stupid rule. Where you're allowed to step should be as visible and obvious as possible, none of these players gained any real advantage on their throw.

[@Wiensy90]

If anyone thinks gaining 20cm is an advantage then they need to start playing some longer holes lol

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII]

@@Wiensy90 20 cm can be a massive advantage on holes no matter the length, and I shouldn't have to tell someone who's watching a disc golf video that.

[@moforyguy6803]

The problem of the rule that states group members must call out their group mates is unprofessional. Officials should only do that. Like what happened with Niko. Otherwise you really expect friends who might even be traveling together are going to call a fault? Lol

[@samxyx]

I hate that the burden of calling on this falls on your card mates. Also it's fairly subjective. No one is there with a ruler measuring the exact inches you are behind your lie

[@neilkirkpatrick6232]

But if it is S0 blatand as to step on your disc or marker or a foot outside the lie like sooooooo many do where I live....its awful. We aren't even playing the same game.

[@millej11]

disc golf rules for foot faults are ridiculous

[@martymodus7205]

I miss the JoMez graphics at 2:17

[@aaronschultz7510]

Clearly it’s a rule that stems from a growing sport that cannot have officials trailing every group in every tournament. But there should be officials calling it in the big tournaments. With quick video review.

[@stitch438]

Someone show this to the pdga so they can witness how ridiculous it is that it's up to other player's to call violations. What other sport has the player's perform an additional duty as an official? Player's should be worried about their own play, nothing else. Yeah, go confront someone that they violated a rule and hope someone else saw it too so it doesn't get even more awkward. And the great vibes it creates for the card, what more could you ask for.

[@JamesEvans2023]

High school tennis and calling our own lines lol, that shouldn't be happening if there is an actual disc golf event.

[@squidge903]

In fact another sport that uses discs, Ultimate

[@DorkSlayeRLoL]

Golf...

[@danielrobinson5870]

Tennis.

[@torridknight783]

Idk why being behind the disc lie is ok in almost all circumstances. You dont gain distance from forcing yourself to land in a tiny area.

[@NathanAus123]

It's not the distance, but the fact that making sure you plant your foot in the correct spot does take some attention. If you could throw from anywhere behind your lie, it would be so much easier as you could focus 100% on the throw, and nothing on your lie. Ignoring foot faults does a disservice to everyone doing the right thing.

[@FuckGoogle2]

Remove the stroke penalty and enforce it harder. No- one wants to win on a technicality.

[@YashaKoman]

Terrible idea, people will be foot faulting on purpose anytime they know they’re putt isn’t going in.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@@YashaKoman then you don’t call it…lol

[@pontusmagnusson6808]

Should get Holy handlys in this vid

[@agnarrenolen1336]

Why do players turn their back towards their card mates when they put. They’re supposed to police each other, aren’t they?

[@CJski]

Confused about 4:10. Did he run up to the wrong object?

[@monkeybull445]

His plant foot is a good two feet behind his mini

[@CJski]

@@monkeybull445 Oooh I see that now 👍

[@JamesEvans2023]

@@monkeybull445 That's why this penalty is dumb, he only gave himself a disadvantage.

[@monkeybull445]

@@JamesEvans2023 Not necessarily. In certain cases being a few feet behind your actual lie can open up a gap that makes the shot much easier

[@JamesEvans2023]

@@monkeybull445 it’s very few scenarios when that’s true.

[@birdinflight3861]

Kevin was way too annoyed acting for someone who clearly shut foot faulted. Also, how did Simon’s get seconded if Paul is the only one who saw it. You can’t second it because of a footprint. Could be anyone’s footprint.

[@shawnhill4779]

... and if you slow it down, Simon didn't even foot fault. You can go past the end of the tee box after releasing the disc. Just McBeth doing McBeth stuff ... thinking that he knows all and that he alone is always right.

[@NathanAus123]

@@shawnhill4779 Part of his heel is definitely off the teepad when he releases. Especially because as he pivots on his heel, it's completely off. You have to have your entire supporting point on the teepad. Even part of the foot over the edge is a foot fault.

[@JJ79_]

Just open your eyes, simon for sure did footfault.

[@birdinflight3861]

@@JJ79_ yeah, he clearly foot faulted, but that’s not what my comment was about…

[@JJ79_]

my comment was to other guy shawnhill or something.

[@LordThree]

Paul Macbeth. Pffft

[@diychef729]

What does nicko do wrong with his stradleput?

[@sauliruottu5871]

Left foot was closer to the basket than the right foot behind the disc.

[@adamc2837]

should have show Coles

[@Pearhead4207]

Foot fault the dumbest rule in the game...

[@leeroy4980]

I can understand if say doing so to get a better angle round an object but take the very last clip, so what if he’s 2ft behind ? That’s a shit rule for that. He’s out in the wide open and surely being 2ft behind is just bad for him?!

[@alightened]

Foot placement. He’s on a hill so he could step on a flatter part of the hill for a better hold, could avoid a little mud spot, etc. People will literally go 5-50 feet back for a better angle. 2-3 feet makes a big difference in places.

[@dustinroberson1865]

Simon was nowhere near where they said he was. Looked like the edge of his foot may have been off the pad. After release, his foot rotated and went over, but they were saying his whole foot was way off the pad

[@oregonwoodelf]

WAAAYY more players should be getting called on foot faults. You see these ridiculous step putts all the time where their foot lands before the disc is out or the fairway run up and the foot is off to the side, too far back, etc. If I foot faulted, I'd WANT to be called on it! We all want to abide by the rules and play with integrity. The sarcasm and negative reactions that players have to being called on it just makes it harder for the rest of the card to call us on these, though. I mean nobody wants to cause a ruckus and sour the card... SO! If you foot fault, call yourself and own it. We know when we do it, don't play dumb😂

[@derpderpin1568]

foot faults shouldn't even exist, literally pointless.

[@ludvig7473]

​@@derpderpin1568you have no idea what youre talking about

[@suhmitt2825]

The problem is there are people who don't play with integrity and will try to take a mile when given an inch.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

@@derpderpin1568 say your disc is buried in a bush, wouldn’t it be beneficial to stand 4 feet behind your disc? Instead of burying yourself in the bush? This is why foot faults exist. And then of course, putting. You can’t have people foot faulting on putts.

[@maniacpwnageking]

@@playdiscgolf1546 Yeah but, none of that happens in the video. No one was gaining an advantage. They need to make the rules easier to follow.

[@vicccey1345]

What they should do is the opposite...just make it larger...too many inconsistent calls....I mean really----what competitive advantage do you get ??????? ....we're not talking long jump here are we!?

[@vegetin01]

You can’t use video evidence? That is madness.

[@theandren85]

Wtf are the rules? Though it was 30cm

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Yeah, essentially an 8x11 piece of paper, behind your marker.

[@torridknight783]

Idk why its not ok as long as you are anywhere mostly in line with but still behind your disc. Especially on open fairways. Seems silly to make people land a run up into an area that small where being behind it is also a fault.

[@Met2402]

​@@torridknight783maybe you land behind a tree. Would it then just be okay to take your throw five feet behind it? That would be "in line behind the disc", but the throw would be very different from there. And it doesn't affect the rules if the fairway is open or not. Same rules for every hole.

[@badgerspvcoachellis2436]

It’s possible Paul was wrong about Simon’s foot fault. If you look at top players in slow mo, their foot usually doesn’t release and rotate through until the disc is out of their hand. I think this is something that needs to be thought about with the PDGA rule’s committee. If someone plants their foot 4” behind their disc, but after releasing the foot rotates through and they touch their disc or mini with their foot. It could be on the follow through when the disc is out of their hand. Watch the top players in slow mo, their plant foot is usually parallel until the disc is out,… then the foot rotates through. Patrick Brown 100% foot faulted, and he knew it… He had integrity for about 5 seconds.

[@kinghorton418]

exactly. foot plant was down on teepad before release, after release the pivot foot slides to dirt. Doesn't match the definition of a foot fault.

[@aktiefinans1.]

Ridiculous

[@yrrahyrrah]

Garrett didn’t foot fault

[@jasonjohnson8646]

Do you guys just recycle this video for income?

[@HaikesXO]

The worst rule in disc golf. So incredibly stupid as the game evolves and there’s more par 4s and 5s.

[@JacobLikesMusic]

Foot faults makes it less fun, I think they should try to eliminate the foot placement challenge. From the tee it's no problem, but on the following throws I see two ways to "fix" it. Either make the bounds for the lie bigger, like a 1 meter box (3 feet). This would make scrambling easier, but it's the same for everyone and really if you mess up your shot but is lucky enough to end up right behind a bush instead of in it, that is just luck anyway. Second option I think is more controversial, walk-up only allowed from tee and the following shots are all standstills, that can be enforced but It would change the sport a lot.

[@kinghorton418]

stand stills on 2nd shot seems easiest to apply scrutiny and merges with prexisting rules. Let the player choose their stance from the lie, at which if the chosen stance is illegal, the card will inform the player, if not the player throws.

[@msp7197]

This is part of why I won’t play tournaments and leagues 😂

[@JamesEvans2023]

We write in cursive.

[@user-yo6um3jn5k]

Same. It's a game. I even feel kinda weird watching it on KZbin.

[@philipjones0630]

My only issue with DG. It has to be an argument that won’t prove anything.

[@cromandum217]

6:59 how was that one?

[@scottbasal9749]

Yeah i'd say if Simon and Ricky were faulting on their drives then James Conrad pretty much footfalls every time he drives. That Garrett Griffy one did not look like a foot fault and neither did the stokely one 🤷‍♀️ The point is I see worse foot faults all the time in present day tournaments that no one is calling.

[@peter007crouch]

At the time, the rule for where you could put your foot was different. Now you have an A4-Paper behind your disc/marker. The old rule was, that you extend the line between you line of play throught the middle of your marker/disc and then you had to touch that line with your foot. Therefore it was a foot foul then, but probably would not be a fould by todays rule.

[@colinmcmasters5819]

If you can't guarantee you'll land on your lie on a fairway drive, you just can't do a full x-step drive. It's unfair to all the people who DO throw standstill (or a small step) to avoid a stance violation. In AMs it's essentially the Wild West, people run up and haul off on fairway drives without even thinking about their lie.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

It’s that way In the MPO too, lol. They just never call it

[@nativejuicevapors]

I say it doesn’t matter unless your putting

[@misterhamez]

the guy at 2:50 knew he did it. his reaction says it all. he was trying to cover it and badly

[@alightened]

Yeah that’s why nobody knows his name

[@zanierrules]

Besides putting, foot-faults are totally useless. If you're running up, then you should be given some leeway to just be in the "area behind your disc". If you're stand-still, just have a foot behind the disc. Done. If you step on your disc that's ok too as you're even more precisely throwing from the lie.

[@Met2402]

Having no spesific rule to state where your foot has to be would not work. There has to be clear limits to where you can throw from and not just "behind your disc" , because that would be very open to interpretation.

[@lb6643]

Nikko is a little punk

[@Catswithgats]

Can’t use video evidence? That’s literally the only way to actually prove what happened 😂 wtf

[@frolickinginflorida4321]

baseball adopted the video challenge within recent years im sure disc golf will eventually

[@pmac7641]

The problem is most cards aren't filmed. So if you are lead card and are under intense scrutiny from video reviews, and I'm chillin on chase card w no cameras, guess who gets to relax more and be less likely to get a penalty stroke? This would only work if we had cameras on EVERY card.

[@Catswithgats]

@@pmac7641 well there should be cameras for every round/card.

[@ludvig7473]

It would be unfair because all cards arent filmed

[@playdiscgolf1546]

You gonna have 18 film crews on every hole? Professional golf doesn’t even do that…lmao

[@ashtonkrich]

Foot faults should be changed to as long as your behind your lie your good.

[@JamesEvans2023]

I agree, going longer doesn't give the advantage changing your angle or decreasing your distance would give. Only very certain circumstances would throwing way behind your spot be advantageous.

[@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII]

Do you guys only play wide open golf courses? Being able to play anywhere behind your lie would be a massive advantage on so many bad throws in wooded courses. It would change the entire sport so only run-up shots would be thrown. About half of every type of shot would disappear.

[@JamesEvans2023]

@@IlIlIlIlIlIlIllIlIII just a lot of silly rules for barely a sport lol.

[@neilkirkpatrick6232]

The fact that disc golf doesnt allow video or photo proof makes dosc golf a dirty oppy unprofessional game. No respect.

[@YashaKoman]

Not every card gets filmed, it would be an unfair disadvantage to people on cards that are getting filmed.

[@playdiscgolf1546]

Well, you don’t know how things work with tournaments. About .0001% of all disc golf tournament cards, are filmed.

[@Met2402]

Better option would be to have officials to rule. They would pay attention to every shot unlike most players.

[@nicmont4230]

Why does everyone get mad? It's part of the game. You're not exempt because of your status.

[@JamesEvans2023]

This is a dumb rule. In our group if your like 5 feet close to your spot then you are good my guy. Let's keep this shit moving, plus most of us only have one driver anyway.