Football is Becoming Boring.

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Hey guys,
Today we are discussing whether or not football/soccer is becoming boring. With the style of play being a bit more robotic and methodical, and the use of statistics being used in every aspect, people are wondering if the sport is losing the magic it once had. What do you guys think?
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[@mustafismarketingagent]

I miss the days when flair players like Mustafi made football entertaining

[@DagnalDiagonal]

MUSTAFI THE GOAT COMMENTED OH MY GOD

[@gangang69]

Shouldn't we talk about how teams make the game boring by sitting back and defending

[@sehu1291]

World Champion 🎉❤

[@careyfreeman5056]

That's just because the other players and tactic were sub par compared to today.

[@youtubeattacker]

Mustafi for backline. Bendtner for front!

[@ninomiskulin9286]

Players no longer shot from outside of the box. Every team is playing the same, either spamming endless crosses from wingbacks or trying to walk into the goal with ball. Its almost like players aren't allowed to shot at the goal anymore.

[@tjfootball1908]

So annoying

[@oj397]

Do you watchhhh City??? We’ve banged like 11 this season in the Premier League alone, how do I know this? I actually watch football.

[@oj397]

Like what season do you want to put it up against? 09/10 the highest was Arsenal with 18 then city with 10, and that’s after a complete season, 07/08 full season 16 goals between Villa, Liverpool, and Fergie’s Man U, you all do not watch games, live on nostalgia, and just waffle bull crap

[@wingedhussar1453]

Argentina played like that to .won world cup

[@triple_r_va]

So fifa? like the game.

[@rogermoore3991]

I agree so much. Its actually most of the times PAINFULL to watch teams these days. Im considering quitting watching football because of it and i have always been a big football fan. No risk taking, time wasting, only about winning. Its not great to watch.

[@okay1775]

Basketball's fun these days and you see the opposite. Tons of great creativity and individualism

[@rogermoore3991]

@@okay1775 yeah im not saying its bad, actually i find myself watching abit NHL i kinda enjoy it. Very americanized though

[@HumbleNarcissist0]

@@okay1775 Lmao, baskeyball is even worse. No defending and an spamming the 3 point free throws on three pointers

[@DanielGarcia-ti8fy]

@@HumbleNarcissist0real, nowadays the team who can make the most three is the team who will win the game

[@ProdGhosty-2z]

But isn't the objective of playing football winning? Otherwise, why are you gathering hundreds of people to spend their money to support you?

[@Salesman-goat]

Liverpool feels like the only top 4 Club that actually just doesn't pass the ball around with that slow build up nonsense when we have Trent who needs slow build-up when you can just yam the ball 40 yards and it's gonna be a goal

[@noante]

true!

[@PrajjwalBasnet]

United too

[@ValiantInstance]

City are coma inducing. Fullback overlaps into the box, low cross drilled across the box and tap in. No wonder they don't really miss Haaland when he doesn't play, whoever is up front just has to tap it in from 5 yards.

[@noante]

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[@oj397]

@@ValiantInstanceSo… 2000s Barca that everyone claims to have loved… You missed the late win against Newcastle for sure, you skipped all the Sane and Sterling era games with fast pace cutting up on the wing, KDB playing magic passes, pre Haaland Gundogan literally creating magic and goals from nowhere, the fact that Pep himself doesn’t like imitators and changes his entire system almost in cycles while keeping the same basic winning mentality and principles, you all don’t watch football for a full 90’ you have political stances and skim results.

[@frenzilla3268]

For me it’s not boring it’s just become too robotic, like the players are like robots and they play like robots. I haven’t seen any genuine creativity this season very much, it feels like the game has become too cautious

[@wthisthishandlething]

And so boring Don't you watch the game for its beautifull moments? If its robotic, then it becomes boring...

[@arkhamjedi4472]

remember the nike ad “take risks” where the future players are robot?

[@Supersilvershogun]

This right here!! The games tend to get so systemic. The most recent game that showcased it for me was Newport v Man United. Certain runs, so blatantly obvious it was overly rehearsed and barely sparks of individual brilliance.

[@matthewmartin7391]

@@arkhamjedi4472yo nah that’s wildddd

[@DagnalDiagonal]

I hear ya, great moments and last minute winners aren't boring, but the play itself can be robotic and boring

[@PopSealed]

The pace of the game has slowed so much and i rarely see one-touch football anymore.

[@lalos9782]

Watch Inter this season

[@haggard1378]

@@lalos9782Inter has an incredible work rate. I really enjoy watching them. Milan too but for totally different reasons

[@careyfreeman5056]

You really couldn't be more wrong. The pace of the game is faster than it's ever been. And the players and tactics are a lot better than standard 442s.

[@WhoAreYou905]

@@haggard1378Milan completely dropped in quality, been like that since 2011

[@reiner164]

The pace has picked up but everyone is playing with the same high tempo pressing systems so it’s not noticeable that the speed has picked up😂

[@guillesuperior]

I don’t think Football is getting boring, is European football that is getting boring, a random match of Copa Libertadores brought me more entertainment than the Lazio-Bayern match from the Champions League

[@ismaharry]

It's lost its quality.

[@vivitaelpubg]

Cristal vs always ready Botafogo vs aurora Nacional vs all nacional Y hoy Godoy Cruz vs Colo Colo

[@matthewsengendo6302]

@@vivitaelpubg also SPL is very fun reminds me of the Portiguese and Dutch Leagues in the late 2000s

[@TerminatorReus]

Bundesliga is fun but unless if you are a leverkusen or stuttgart fan it is a pain.

[@DagnalDiagonal]

AFCON, baby

[@markdonovan1540]

F1 and Football are prime examples of sports that have become dominated by a few big money investors who dictate the status of the game. Both have become blighted by a small number of teams who have the odds stacked in their favour, even referees are manipulated, world cup venues are bought and sold in a market place of economic heavyweights. Solution is easy: stop watching this rubbish, stop buying their overpriced merchandise and tickets, stop paying for ripoff pay-per-view services, stop buying the products marketed by their sponsors. After that, you'll then discover a real life for yourself.

[@markdonovan1540]

@261i7 Maybe that's true, but popularity and quality are not the same thing.

[@markdonovan1540]

@261i7 Thankfully, not everyone thinks the same. If so, we would be like robots...

[@markdonovan1540]

@261i7 Of course, but it's not the only sport in the world. Believe it or not, there are people who find other sports and activities far more fulfilling that football. Football is overhyped because of the money involved, so if you want to be part of that then go for it. Personally, it lost its attraction for me when all the diving and rolling and gamesmanship took over, all the childish berating of referees and aggressive behaviour towards other players, not to mention the racism that is a huge part of some fan bases. All those lovely stadiums built in world cup tournaments are at the cost to many, including the lives of the workers who are exploited. Of course, sportswashing brushes that all under the carpet.

[@markdonovan1540]

@261i7 It's about the quality of money, what's behind it and who's controlling it.

[@markdonovan1540]

@261i7 Naturally, however not all sports are dominated by a small number of large investors and organisations who effectively control every aspect of the game at a commercial and sporting level. As a consequence, the amount of money involved leads to greed, political influence, corruption and exploitation of all bar the small number of people at the top levels of every league and the top players. The billions of people who support football, effectively pay for a significant part of this - the other parts would be a mixture of money laundering, tax evasion and sports-washing at corporate or governmental level.

[@Chreoh]

It’s crazy how Pep managed the most entertaining side to watch (Prime Barcelona) and has also managed one of the most boring sides to watch (Man City)

[@SymonGeno]

exact same way of playing but it was just new at the time. mixed with peoples agendas against city

[@aguythatsit.7725]

@@SymonGenoand the fact that they had Messi who dribled 6 or 7 players every 10 minutes of a game, and scored bangers that made it way more entertaining, man city is just a team of robots, nobody has skills, just passing and shooting.

[@SemmeralddynamicsBaammy]

​@@aguythatsit.7725 Bernardo Silva, De Bruyne, Rodri, Alvarez, Foden, Ederson and Haaland?

[@baldassodouniversoparalelo6972]

@@aguythatsit.7725 Let's not forget the robberies by ref in favor of Barcelona in '09 vs Chelsea and '11 vs. Arsenal. Without theses robbed UCLs nobody would care about Guardiola.

[@aguythatsit.7725]

@@baldassodouniversoparalelo6972 ok buddy keep crying about it 15 years later, your Ronaldo will always be on Messi’s shadow

[@Felipe-kh6cg]

i honestly ramble about this too much for my own good but it is becoming boring, and we all know thanks to who. Dickhead Guardiola showed the world that you can play low risk - "medium" reward playstyles ( but VERY high reward if you have money to buy the best players) if you minimize the amount of tasks a player has to tackle. Why bother having someone expose the defense and having another player cover that space while his mate is doing runs all the time if they can keep it tight in the back and pass the ball ? every team will eventually want less and less individuality and more devotion to the system. it isn't to say his style is unbeatable, is just the PERFECT style for modern football because of the pace of the game, managers can't afford to let players RISK more by trying to generate more individual impact. Reduce the natural chaos football can generate (and in that chaos lies the beauty of it) and you won't be the victim of circumstances. To make matters worse, FIFA and UEFA seem to like it that way, they enforce stuff like that with more subs. Rich clubs have deeper benches, they can essentially mitigate the effect fatigue has on their systems by subbing in MORE players than they would in the past, thus reducing the chances of a player choice impacting the game negatively. This mentality allows the "team first" players to flourish more, and you can see he scouts these like a madman, and has the means to buy anyone that fits that criteria, but other teams not so much, so you have players who DON'T have a lot of individual resources playing low risk playstyles, essentially making the game much less unpredictable and mostly boring.

[@Ubusa2006]

I wanna see Pep actually win something without a super team

[@MiguelLopez-zn1wo]

Careful. The Barcelona Pep fan boy club will make excuses for him.

[@LitoLochoss]

Yes its City he built that team

[@Ubusa2006]

@@LitoLochoss he has a super team there💀 without halaand he wouldn’t have the champions

[@stefankatsarov5806]

​@@Ubusa2006 You said he has to win something and not the champions league. And he has won something whit no super team since he bild Man City from the ground up. Dont contradict yourself. P.S. Halland didnt score in gis semis or finals last year in the champions league so he actially didnt need him.

[@Ubusa2006]

@@stefankatsarov5806 u think city isn’t a super team😭 do you know how much money he spent at city throughout the years to finally win a UCL?

[@MiguelLopez-zn1wo]

I agree. I no longer get excited or feel the need to keep up with every game. 10 years football/soccer was worth keeping up with.

[@Azamat421]

@Lalll-qn5fnthats false

[@henkhenkste6076]

big money destroyed the game completely

[@CityCityJuve]

Only the prem

[@Azamat421]

@261i7 yep

[@madaxwayne]

Football has basically become the real life version of that nike world cup 2014 ad Except theres no game between the players and clones....its just clones vs wannabe clones

[@Salesman-goat]

7:45 described Darwin perfectly people hate him because they look at his XG and his stats and as a striker he's not scoring as many goals as he showed but if you look at as he really should be doing but if you look at the way he plays he opens so much space for a jota or a salah or a Diaz to run in and grab a goal

[@DagnalDiagonal]

He's an agent of chaos, I'll always respect it lmao

[@Model_Roe]

No lies told this is why I am so thankful for players like Vini Rodrygo even Arda Guler as few as minutes as he plays for giving us some creativity and entertainnment to watch otherwise I still watch edits from the nineties and 00s because back then footballers were way more technical and were allowed to use more skills

[@Amore379]

I became a massive football fan watching arsenal, even finishing 6th consecutively you'd always find joy looking at Arron Ramsey, Alexis Sanchez, Iwobi!

[@Ajpr2]

Has been boring for years now the quality of the players has significantly decreased over the years most likely due to how overpaid they are. Bang average ballers are on 100k+ a week it’s ridiculous.

[@Ajpr2]

@261i7 MMA doesn’t 🤷‍♂️

[@blairrobert3438]

All you need to do is look at national teams. All of them are weaker. Heralded players now aren't as good as the guys in the recent pass. Bellingham isn't better than Gerard. Mbappe is a crappier Henry. Modric at 45 still dominates midfields.

[@avfczoff]

I’ve become really bored with the modern game. 30-40 passes in your own half, going nowhere with the ball. Defenders playing passing games amongst themselves when losing & in need of a goal!? I just don’t understand these tactics

[@nkyampz]

THANK YOUUUU, I’m not going crazy then. Feels like I’m watching robots now. No original play styles and flairs. Players being too restricted to a certain pattern or else risk being dropped.

[@oj397]

So watch City, if you want out the box goals bang we have 9 already, want saucy passes Silva and KDB, dribbling Doku, Grealish, Foden, Alvarez, Goals like CR7 we got Haaland, but people will discredit it and not even actually watch city a full 90’ like that classic of a Newcastle game with the late winner from youngster Oscar Bobb simply because they have preconceived notions, like this is the Pep that brought you Tiki Taka, you think that DNA isn’t there?

[@madaxwayne]

@@oj397 city is the worst lol i wouldnt call whatever tf grealish and doku do dribbling or exciting goals like cr7 aka tapins arent something that is exciting to watch pep turns talents into robots or cogs in a mchine stripping away their individuality at the cost of flair and excitement its fun for you because at the end of the day your team wins and you collect 3 point relationism is actually exciting football based on the natural ability of players instead of just following along to a tactic like robots

[@gmae5342]

Watch inter

[@yusavelli0448]

city is rubbish, no-one cares about you 115 cheats@@oj397

[@DamianKnox11]

@@oj397 city is the most boring team to watch.

[@hoodkage416]

Facts players aren’t encouraged to be special anymore. We will never see another Neymar, Ronaldinho, Zidane or even Messi/ Young CR7

[@APsGTG]

I’m saying. I miss Neymar, hazard, alexis Sanchez, di Maria. What an era

[@xhago605]

no no, only teams managed by pep are destroyed, real madrid gives freedom to its players, they still produce good entertainers

[@MegaTimtheman]

The issue for me is that these days it feels like individualism is coached out of players and you cant have mavericks because they don't do the work. I can't really imagine ronaldinho playing in 2024

[@JaspRemains-v7c]

It would be pointless. Shirt tugs were not yellow cards then. He and Romario, Pele, R9, Anderson, Giovanni, Rivaldo, Garrincha, Zico, Juninho, Elber, Bebeto, Ederson, Leonardo, Rai, and so on ACTUALLY TOOK A HIT WITHOUT FLYING TO HOSPITAL RETIREMENT LIKE NEYMAR.. and I love me some Neymar but dang. Those plethora of cards and free kicks turned the football into some American, engineered, non aesthetic crap. Colleena the old school reff was actually banned for refusing bribes.

[@Silver__Lion]

Bro, I have not seen the video yet, but YES, football is becoming BORING and also toxic. Been thinking about that for a few days now.

[@ronel7836]

*Correction* some leauges are while some are not or some teams are while others are not

[@dkb2080]

yes i use to watch football every weekend never missed a matched i use to stay up with my friend all night and watch games now i don't even watch football no more it became so boring to watch the game as changed a lot with money and all the new rules what they can and cant do in the game even next season they are bring in the blue card like its rugby because they super league didn't work now they will added half of the teams into Europe and the world cup is also 64 teams

[@pragbikramshah3658]

me for few years man

[@5kdaking334]

Lowkey the lower level leagues like the South American leagues and sometimes the mls be more interesting especially with Spanish commentators.

[@5kdaking334]

@261i7 as an American I also love basketball and football. Soccer can be super slow but at times is def one of the best.

[@mustafahusham1]

It’s not peps fault, this new football is played like robots because no team wants to concede and at the same time you have better, faster and more physical players than before. Good players nowadays are ok with going to a worse team to get minutes and that wasn’t there before

[@stefankatsarov5806]

Pep himself has adopted his methods from a few coaches before him. This is a process long in the making and it woud have happened whit or without him.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

@@stefankatsarov5806 No one has pushed it to the same levels of intricacy as Pep (with Arteta well on the way too). But yes, the likes of Michels and Sacchi were the precursors of robotic football created deny the opposition any chance under the guise of playing beautifully.

[@petezm]

I agree with you. But also I think it's guardiola fault too

[@AtefTheGoat]

huh i dont find football boring and never will because for me I can never get tired of football.

[@a11agash1]

Found the Man City fan who just started watching them

[@DarthVader11912]

You should watch more Atlético Madrid games.

[@ChrisWright-ub6ft]

Bro supports man shitty😭😭

[@StillAwesome21]

​​@@DarthVader11912You're clueless saying that, I've been a fan since 2009, our style has changed a lot. Just say you don't know anything and keep it pushing. Love how you weirdos think it's still park the bus, just watch the Prem, kiddo.

[@DarthVader11912]

@@StillAwesome21It literally is park the bus. Atlético never plays offensive football even against small teams. I'm a hardcore la liga fan. I watch it more than any other league, I know defending is important but still Atlético Madrid only play defence, and it's not even like the italian teams do. It's defence and playing dirty fouling literally all 10 of the players of the opposite side. Yeah Atlético might play one offensive game once and a while especially in their staduim but still it's mostly defence. That wasn"t the case before Simeone.

[@hamzask9005]

real madrid started to play relationism this year that's why im enjoying watching them

[@JJJ-ep1xu]

Analytics in sports tends to make it less enjoyable to watch. NBA 3 pt, drive and dish, etc. . . In football analytics frown upon long shots. We’ve got less and less over the yrs, and now barely any. Barca in 2010’s was great football, but after a while it was boring entertainment. Same is true of Man City now. Tough to watch unless you are a fan of them or unless they are loosing. Arsenal will always be “class on grass.”

[@simonn2045]

Just made a similar comment. Analytics and metrics are the death of entertainment. The flair and "art" is being driven out of the game

[@oj397]

Do you actually watch football, City have 9 goals outside the box this season, look at 09/10 after a full season of ball it was Arsenal with 18, City with 10, 07/08 3 way tie with 16, 10/11 Tottenham with 15 then Blackpool with 11 and look City after a full season with only 9 the same as this incomplete season so far, so now answer me this, do you all actually watch City games or just look at the results and sigh because of their dominance, did we all miss the Sane and Sterling wing days, or Yaya blitzing up and down the pitch, KDB’s consistent magic, Foden and Bernardo’s brilliance, Doku and Grealish literally cutting up like street ballers, Gundogan before and hell after Haaland drifting in to score beauties and stunners? Just say you don’t like us but to call us boring instead of faulting the cheap knockoffs is either disingenuous or from a standpoint of ignorance.

[@milk__teee]

Football has indeed become boring, the major factor is the fact we don’t have real skillets, or players who are skilled and play with flair, the Neymar’s, even Messi in his prime was super entertaining to watch since his faints made defenders look like fools. We don’t have that, obviously we get it on occasion, but players are scouted based off their metrics, football is about winning ofc, and the most straight forward way to win is by playing boring with the best players. The best xG, the best dribblers etc. there’s no giving the ball to a player who can make some magic. Those guys are retiring, and the ones trying to imitate them are really bad copies. Idk what happened, hopefully I’m not become like those old basketball heads where I say my era which is the best, which honestly they are the best (2010’s) But there’s no joy, there’s some fun teams actually, but theres almost no fun players. The worlds best players in the best form, are just route one players. They score a lot of low to the ground tap in goals, which isn’t bad, but it’s boring.

[@temiomo-loto4122]

You have become like the old basketball heads. I’m saying this based of this statement you made “gone are the days you can give someone the ball let the performer some magic”. Only less you’re prime Messi or Cr7 it’s not gonna happen, nowadays most teams have better defensive structures when facing their opponents plus couple that with good planning for when they come up against certain players. If you a have a team that is disciplined and well drilled, saying team is boring to me is contradictory(uncles it’s 4-4-2 Brexit ball that is boring)cause as a coach you expect your players to execute the style of play you want offensively and defensively and to that it comes with repetition and yes, better players overall. The why does y’all seem to think are more entertaining is cause defending back was mostly a one v one situation which led to the elite skill players running riot cause they had way more freedom offered to them by the opposition defenders

[@yusavelli0448]

he is right, 2010s was literally best era of football@@temiomo-loto4122

[@edmondsimon9220]

​@@temiomo-loto4122stop said nonsense 😂😂😂

[@reiner164]

Teams can score 5 goals and the match can still be boring because the goals are all system goals. All the players are almost carbon copies of one another. Dead sport ruined by money. Don’t know where they get these rising viewership statistics since nobody I know watches football.

[@sehu1291]

That Thomas Müller was the only Bayern player which Guardiola gave freedom says a lot about the football genius of Thomas Müller

[@oj397]

Even with a whopping 6% less of shots coming from outside the box, the goals coming from that area are the same, it’s less hey don’t shoot it long and more defensive adaptation coupled with good ol “hey, don’t shoot a random belter over the net and ruin all this progression we made, but if you get a good look you’re confident about, let it fly”.

[@truespartan1000]

Clown take. Past players weren't spamming just spamming 'L1+L2+O'. Their ability to consistently score those kind of goals was why they were in the prem and not Sunday league. It wasn't a coin toss; they knew how to score those goals. Many other skills have been lost too: like keepers catching the ball, specialists scoring from freekicks, no. 9s scoring from headers, etc.

[@oj397]

@@truespartan1000 I’m not even going to dignify your comment, brother this is not Pes or Fifa, or FC Mobile, jk everybody deserves to be heard so point by point shall we, free kick specialists were always scarce we just remember the great ones because they were great and we just don’t often make them stars now due to this one attribute see James Ward Prowse who is arguably one of the best of all time in this one specific skill, there are still many excellent long shooters in the game and if you go look at 2000s Barca and Madrid a lot of those “beautiful long shots” were also flukes, 9s missing headers is funny when a lot of people are criticizing Haaland for example right now but that can be explained by the header bans that have been instituted in youth football dating back to about a decade ago, not down to “scary modern football tactics”, as for keepers catching the ball outside of being a United fan wth do you mean? Oblak at Atletico, Mamardashvili at Valencia, healthy Neuer til this day, healthy Courtois, Alisson, Ederson even though he’s more prone to do some eccentric stuff. GKs are still GKs a lot just have midfield skills that translate as well now, which for the progressive type of football that would allow more long shots and such is, you know, a necessity.

[@IIDynamoDuckII]

The degradation of football is clear to see from these Euros, it has to be the worst quality tourmant i have ever seen. Football is a spectator's sport, and it is well on its way to ceasing being a spectacle. Thats why i really dislike when people say Pep is the greatest manager ever. Theres no denying his success and hes probably had the biggest impact on the sport than any other manager ever but its not a good impact in my opinion. He take talented players and turns them into a clog in his machine, example is Jack Grelish, who previously was a joy to watch at Villa, so creative in everything he did, to just another player in Peps system. Even though i wasnt his biggest fan, at least Klopp had his "Rock & Roll" football, that allowed players to still have freedom. Even though Arsenal were my teams biggest rivals during the Wenger years, they were a joy to watch, I'd rather watch 2 slugs climbing up a wall than watch City play. And thats fair enough but its infecting other team now, with most of them adopting similar tatics. Its anti-football and anti-fan. And then we have VAR and that sh¡tshow on top of everything. You know i get more joy now from going down the park and watching grassroots games, even random games i dont even know anyone playing in. Rather than watching a professional game.

[@sw33tialucard]

I don’t think it’s Pep’s fault that he’s so good to the extent that everyone wants to copy him. Blame everyone else for not being able to counter City and come up with new tactics

[@tarik6990]

It's the multiplication of Guardiola's tactics from 2011 onwards that has changed football for the worse since.

[@julianeder4699]

I would 100% say the sport is getting more boring and theres 5 main reasons this all rests on 1: Players are getting way too soft these days (partially couse baiting fouls to snatch free kicks and penalties is an effective strategy but also couse they aint used to rough play anymore) Im gonna have to go pretty far back here but if you look at someone like maradona he got knocked over more often than anyone else in football history but most times he would immediately rise after a foul or harsh tackle and continue the counter attack. 2: Laws are getting way too strict. The amount of free kicks and cards getting handed out these days are laughable (at times they even get handed out when the opposing defender clearly got his foot on the ball first) and so is the amount of time players are given to roll on the floor it should be either youre able to continue after a clash or youre not if a player needs 4 minutes to recover from a collision he should do so on the sub bench. 3: Players are getting way too 2 dimensional. Nobody seems to dare to go for longshots solo runs acrobatic displays or fast counter attacks anymore and this both hurts the individual players ability aswell as the flow of the game while robbing the viewers of those memorable moments they will refer to for years to come. Ibrahimovic and his insane goals he scored from seemingly impossible angles and ranges are a prime example for that. 4: Competition is on a steep decline and players are reluctant to go for an actual challenge in their careers anymore. Back in the days players would die to play in leagues where the competition was fierce like maradona brazilian ronaldo ibrahimovic... who all went to the toughest leagues at the time at a relatively young age where they had to refine their styles to keep their performance and relevance afloat. 5: Defending is in the worst state its ever been in. Defenders are unable to go for those physical 1v1s and last minute tackles anymore couse they constantly have the refree and VAR circling above them like hungry vultures. They also hardly ever dare to set up quick counters anymore couse they are strictly bound to their positions. If i think back to the old milan days i have all these memories of players going for all or nothing plays and finding insane success within.

[@andreasolito7702]

Players don't dribble anymore..

[@شيطونْ-ذ9ظ]

blud doesn't watch real madrid

[@spinyslasher6586]

Ancelotti has been very open that the only reason he can just let the players do what they want is due to the sheer amount of experience and quality they have. Modric and Kroos don't need anyone to give them directions on how to control the midfield, they do it out of instinct. Essentially, what I'm trying to say is that this brand of football requires exceptionally good players that can only be afforded by the very top teams.

[@moze2324]

Personally dont feel that football is boring as such, its just getting robotic, and there are no great players like kaka, ronaldinho anymore

[@DagnalDiagonal]

I think robotic can be boring in terms of the overall match and tactics, but things like last minute winners and great story lines will never be boring

[@rameni]

Imo i just like the possesion based style of pep its kinda somehow satisfying to watch for me :/

[@oj397]

They don’t actually watch City, the look at the results and get mad, how do you watch City who has 9 outside the box goals this season, a prolific CR7 esque striker in Haaland, dribblers like Doku, Grealish, and Alvarez, playmakers like Foden and Bernardo, the strikerless days with Gundogan, and this is without going back back into the likes of Yaya then turn around and call it boring, unless you don’t watch and just dislike the Pep imitators which Pep himself does not like hence the random system changes in cycles every so often.

[@DagnalDiagonal]

If you like it, that's great! I'm glad you enjoy it, just wanted to state my opinion :)

[@xhago605]

the most boring football ever

[@Truebro79]

Please tell me i'm not the only one who thinks football this season has felt boring

[@CityCityJuve]

@261i7 for sure

[@CityCityJuve]

UCL groups have been a blast, comebacks here and there, Leverkusen making history, Inter going into another prime, Juve generating young talents, underdog teams like Bologna and Aston villa balling it out, afcon and Asian cup underdogs rising up, this season has been anything short of exiting

[@emmvn80]

great video, I've been telling my friends mainstream football is on the decline. hopefully relationism becomes more popular in football!

[@michaelballack3051]

Numbers say otherwise

[@Metalton95]

@@michaelballack3051 Noooo, not MORE numbers to "borify" the game :D

[@Azamat421]

@261i7stop saying the same crap its not true

[@akumasdeception]

Back then players were allowed to express themselves and every club/manager had a unique style of play. Everyone these days wants to play either like Pep or Klopp. Basically some mix of tiki taka and gegenpress.

[@DCLN433]

In what world are Man City boring, I’ll never understand it, yes we are very structured as a team but we also pass and move, create overloads, all the things you say have sort of become less frequent, I believe attackers play with way more intent now, it’s just teams also defend with way more intent too, players run more which forces them to cancel each other out more, cos they’re actually trying now, go back and watch how lazy the defending was in the prem just 10 years ago Peps style has changed rules within the league it’s that significant, the league is a massive franchise and peps style was seen as a huge boost to the entertainment value of the league full stop, greatest and most revolutionary manager of all time

[@liam3104]

plastic city fan

[@oj397]

@@liam3104What are you talking about, I’ve been watching since the days of Stephen Ireland, and he is completely correct, how can you watch the likes of Doku, Alvarez, Foden, Bernardo, KDB’s beautiful football, the young guns like Oscar Bobb and the way they play then turn around and call it boring. Either you just don’t like City, don’t watch their football, or hate seeing them win. The problem isn’t so much City as is it the cheap emulators.

[@SatyamSingh0702]

90% of your fanbase came from era when you were winning something.... No one start watching football to support lossers.... You are one of them .... Who started watching a particular team when they were winning something or playing good......No one outside Luton will give a shit about Luton Town for obvious reasons​@@liam3104

[@DCLN433]

@@oj397 exactly, Given was a good goalie but he isn’t an ederson, Richard Dunne will never be Ruben Dias We’re plastic tho for supporting city even though we supported before the money, my dads side of the family are city fans and half my mums side are city fans, the rest Aston Villa, 90% of us are city, so if I’m plastic at least I’m less plastic than this guys mother 😂

[@DCLN433]

The only city player who sometimes looks like an absolute donkey is literally Haaland, ederson is better than him on the ball 😂 and Haaland is a scoring machine, I genuinely just believe everyone is jealous, no one was jealous of Utd so just let it be, united used to look like galacticos, Rooney would send shivers down my spine, as a city fan I was in awe of Utd thinking we’d never get there and I’d be happy to just take points off Utd them days, miraculously we’re now the best and everyone’s jealous

[@grahamnicholls621]

Football now is boring asf. Who wants to see a winger get to the by line and come back and pass it all the way back to a defender 😤. Grealish is a prime example, he would produce a piece of magic in a game for villa and win the game because he had freedom.....now at Man City he's like a robot.

[@LebronJuan21]

I disagree in my opinion, it is extremely rare for football to be boring if you understands the inate beauty of the game. I think there are always new and entertaining forms of football being played you just need to know where to look and what to look for

[@DagnalDiagonal]

That's what I mentioned at the end, it's more so mainstream footy that's become a little boring

[@counterintuitivepanda4555]

I think that's just not true. It depends what you enjoy i guess, but individual freedom and brilliance is being swapped out for overly technical football. That is boring.

[@commanderyeti3646]

What needs to happen is a team needs to become champions without the boring style of soccer, because managers are being paid to win not be entertaining.

[@judgeanon2922]

Guardiolism and its consequences have been a disaster for the football game.

[@Seaxuan]

100% agree, back to 90s players are much more the centre of creativeness in football, nowadays it’s the managers have the control, so called positional play is killing the creativity and flairs of talent footballers, the only manager still gave that kinda of creativity freedom to players is Carlo ancelotti, it’s one of the reasons behind Jude Bellingham’s move to Real Madrid,

[@wingedhussar1453]

Heres the thing. Whatever your intrested in take time off that ...enjoy your life and move on to soemthing else then come back to it when u feel like it

[@SamuelSantos_]

This is why Carlo Ancelotti is one of my favourite managers, he lets his players cook.

[@EugeneMaryniuk]

🤨🤨🤨

[@randalljr17]

Bro they arguably play the worst style of football. It’s legit just long balls to Vinicius and hope Jude or Rodrygo taps in the crosses. All this while defending most games and getting favorable calls. They are a team that gets outplayed but finds a late winner 90% of the time

[@EugeneMaryniuk]

@@randalljr17 *cough cough semifinals UCL*

[@unknown9.9]

​@@randalljr17 what you talked about is actually more entertaining than the passing b*llsh*t

[@ripvanwinkle91]

​@@randalljr17they dribble tf

[@TheMan-my1nw]

What I find boring is teams like Sheffield United, Burnley, Notts Forest, etc all park the bus for a 0-0 draw which makes the game really dull.

[@notos756]

Don’t call forest notts mate

[@SymonGeno]

*nottm

[@triple_r_va]

What would you do against city? Play the same? 😂

[@Metalton95]

What I find boring is when teams like Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Barcelona having less than 6 shots on goal against teams that park the bus and allow them all the possession anyway. Real Madrid vs Sevilla 1st half was ridiculous (I think Real had 3 shots, 1 on target... AT HOME WITH +65% POSSESSION)

[@RedPanda-cy6sz]

@@Metalton95liverpool actually takes shots outside the box most of the time but they just dont score and we usually have the most shots in a game they just dont go in .The arsenal vs liverpool game is an example

[@LordCarmesimXXVII]

Boring and predictable. Like you already new the refs were going to help Spain against Germany, and then there was that handball. Just one example in a entire sea for examples. I quit watching football regularly 4 years ago and it was the best decision I've made.

[@kamz5]

Ur best video yet ...great analysis and definitely echo's my thoughts ..there's no room for instinct or creativity now

[@АлександрТарлыков-с7щ]

I live football - play, watch, going to stadium in 20 years, but now i do not watch football anymore.

[@Willaonyt]

This is exactly the video I was looking for. Football overall can't get boring per say, but the entertainment faster is certainly lower today. For example the last 4 finals of the champions league have all ended 1-0, and most of those games weren't even entertaining

[@APsGTG]

I can’t even remember a minute from any of those finals now that you mention it. Snooze fests. The Tottenham Liverpool final as well so boring. The last good champions league final was Real Madrid 3-1 Liverpool in 2018 6 years ago wow

[@Sabo__90]

Players became robots. Who nowdays even considers playing a guy who can't run like he has battery in his ass for 2 hours. Also limited freedom for players- no solo actions and long range shooting. Overall it's just chess game with human figures.

[@CityCityJuve]

Excluding the premier league, it’s the exact opposite of that

[@APsGTG]

Yep. Even ozil confirmed it himself talking about how the CAM position went extinct. That was the beginning of the decline for me.

[@Edits_Panic0]

Diniz suffers a lot of criticism here in Brazil for his lack of flexibility. He is obssessive compulsive over his play style, and doesn't tolerate the slightest deviation from what he names as his "ideal type of football". He is like Guardiola on the opposite, I personally don't like this type of coach. Guardiola can only work with billionaire clubs, I love coaches that can addapt to their team, and still maintain an idea, a game pattern.

[@IronMunky86]

I don't see it. Watching football is entertaining because of the emotions you attach to your favorite club. That never goes away no matter how tactics change.

[@adrian225]

Yes, but that's entertainment from the feelings attached to the club rather than the game itself, meaning that football itself is more boring, supporting your favorite club is not.

[@droppedmycap1594]

​@@adrian225perfect answer

[@APsGTG]

@@adrian225yep

[@EgoHead710]

@@adrian225 The game itself doesn't exist to please you. You lot are far too preoccupied by flashy skills rather than appreciating the whole thing. You're *SUPPOSED* to root for your club so @IronMunky86 has the right approach anyways.

[@adrian225]

@@EgoHead710 the whole point of it being televised and streamed and being played in front of an audience is so that said audience can be pleased/entertained.

[@ZeDirt]

Boring? what is he talking about. Personally i think this is fine. Obvouisly he is a arsenal fan. tired of loosing

[@PrekersVODS]

A arsenal?

[@liam3104]

@@PrekersVODS yea he is a arsenal

[@DagnalDiagonal]

i said i found the 2012-2015 teams more entertaining, which lost more lmao

[@Jurassic_edits54]

I honestly do like football I find it very boring yeah sure football might have its moment but after a while it gets boring

[@Cech2233]

if being borring is a tradeoff for better tacticts then its worth it

[@belindathorne9784]

No it's not, what an utterly stupid comment.

[@idk-ku1wh]

How so

[@mxdppc]

It is fine, switch to bundes you see Leverkusen with the new 3421 which is quick and energetic and enjoyable.

[@andrewingram2520]

This is why MLS is so much fun. It’s not so strict and we get some BANGERS

[@oliverleigh9854]

Its nothing to do with tactics, its like the NBA. The moment the change the rules regarding defending (physical part of the game). They essentially killed the sport.

[@temiomo-loto4122]

There wasn’t any rule change regarding physicality in football, what changed was the defending becoming better and better. Before teams used to rely mainly on just out scoring opponents, their was no defensive structure for the whole team when possession was lost. now everybody on a team is expected to help on defense, cover runs support the fullbacks, cover space left when on is out of position. Things that weren’t changed by some rule like in the NBA

[@oliverleigh9854]

@@temiomo-loto4122 What utter load of garbage of a response. Between 1990- 2010 we saw the least numbers goals scored at FIFA WCs during that period. teams playing more pragmatic. We had the 2 finals which went to penalty shout outs. The first and second in WC final history ever. Max goals score 2 in 2 games. Defensive football were KING. For entertainment purposes they took physical contact more and more out of the game. The one elements which are essential to defending. Hence why Jose Mourinho's Inter defensive ball stop Pep's Tika Taka Ball in 2010. The same shit City is playing but no one can stop them today. The nonsense that's coming from your side tells me you didn't watch football 20 years ago. Please go do some research.

[@oliverleigh9854]

@@EDVIKMustafayev Tell me why does America struggle internationally against European teams. Simple in the NBA there's less physical contact compare to the Euro League. Rules are the in the Euro League and Internationally but different in the NBA. Gets your facts straight

[@temiomo-loto4122]

@@oliverleigh9854 1.WCs are always pragmatic, it’s international football with teams filled with players that only play a handful of games together, what do you expect. 2. One manager doesn’t change what I said 3. The physicality you’re talking about is what made a lot of careers end before they should have.

[@oliverleigh9854]

@@temiomo-loto4122 Oh Please. There are teams who did well and won the WC during that period. They didn't play pragmatic ball. Stop this nonsense. The injuries you talking about could've happen to anyone during that time. Sacchi's Milan, Cruyff's Barca, Capello's Milan, Louis van Gaal's Ajax. Different types of football philosophies but all conquer UCL in a 6-7 year period. Will tell you again stop this nonsense. Football today sucks. What even laughable thinking the footballers today are better than 20/30 years ago where ankles were broke compare today if you lay a finger its a foul.

[@andrewingram2520]

Didn’t Nike make an ad about this a few years ago 😅 we need to risk everything

[@jeromeyoung4782]

I really hate it when people say pep is making football boring, like WHY DONT OTHER MANAGERS INNOVATE AND BECOME MORE CREATIVE? 😂😂😂😂

[@ayooo9770]

I was thinking about this the other day. There's very few Ronaldihno-type players left. Any sort of flair has been sacrificed for efficiency. It kind of feels like European clubs are becoming like the robot clone team in that 2014 Nike ad. This is why I like watching South American games. Soccer is entertainment, not a science

[@ayooo9770]

@261i7 It's called soccer

[@ayooo9770]

@261i7 Umm it's actually called soccer

[@ayooo9770]

@261i7 Just checked with Messi, he said it's called soccer

[@ayooo9770]

@261i7 It's called soccer 😂

[@ayooo9770]

@261i7 I'm on FaceTime with Ronaldo right now, he agrees with me

[@nag_xo]

I think people need to stop looking at the past with rose tinted glasses. This is a new era of football with new players and many new fans and it is still growing so it definitely is interesting and fun.

[@EDVIKMustafayev]

bro football will always be number one no matter what its popularity will never decrease and will always be at its best. So FOOTBALL IS LIFE. Do you agree with me bro? 😢

[@nag_xo]

@@EDVIKMustafayev Yea bro FOOTBALL is life.

[@EDVIKMustafayev]

@@nag_xo Thanks bro appreciate for you ⚽🦵🔥🫡

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

People need to stop looking at the present with rose tinted glasses. Although I guess that would lead to massive depression and unhappiness with many things, not just football.

[@nag_xo]

@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia If you always see the glass as half empty I cannot change your way way of thinking but I would say there is enough fulfillment for everyone in that.

[@essengomakassi5538]

The era of 90's, 2000's and first half of 2010's was GOLD. Football (and Basketball) died around 2016, 2017...

[@leonardouboldi]

I have to admit, i still haven’t seen the full video, but i believe the issue only lies in english football. I’m personally an Inter Milan fan and in the italian league we are dominating, playing football spectacularly and turning every match into a show. And it’s not only us, but all of the teams in Italy are playing a lot more aggressively whilst still maintaining the defensive solidity that was characteristic of the italian leagues. I’d recommend watching non premier league matches!

[@temiomo-loto4122]

It doesn’t, it’s a non-issue. He says he doesn’t want to be blinded by nostalgia but this video is literally based on nostalgia of the prem, a prem in which in the past the defending was terrible compared to modern day prem(apart from Sheffield and Burnley, these two have 90’s brexit defending)

[@CityCityJuve]

Exactly, Serie A has become a very underrated league, but we have more flair and raw talent, more than the prem where they just hog players with their unlimited money, coming from a Juve fan

[@GwsKd35]

i stop wachting football since 2014 , its getting boring every season

[@jayh3283]

There are less entertaining footballers with world class talent, but the sport is still far from boring.

[@DiogoGaming2]

its not (and you realise in the first minuto of the video), you guys are just playing too much fifa and you dont watch nothing besides premier league

[@CityCityJuve]

Exactly, literally every other league plays better football

[@DiogoGaming2]

@@CityCityJuve No, you just have to pick the right teams to watch, and saying city is boring to watch if you dont identify with citys football, its not for everyone, but saying ALL football is boring is just stupid

[@CityCityJuve]

@@DiogoGaming2 true, idk what he’s saying

[@Banksia-Canaei]

A breath of fresh air in terms of analysis of the current state of football, I’ll be sure to check out that article. It’s interesting when you think about American football, which is inherently systematic and built on positionism. That sport is still a spectacle to watch and hasn’t seen a change in the product . Whereas English football historically was predicated on flair and flexibility within strategy. It’s a free flowing game with difficulty to score after all.

[@icouldntthinkofaname2312]

Bro when someone’s team loses once they blame it on football and think it’s boring 😂

[@EDVIKMustafayev]

Yea bro i also think this. I can't think football is boring. It's life ❤

[@gloriempaka9474]

It's been a very long time that I actually watched a full 90 min game without being distracted 😂 it's so boring nowadays

[@andrewloza]

Soccer is dead. Im 39, so i used to watch people like ronaldo og, del pierro , henry, rivaldo, romario, etc, and now? Gundogan o fcb? Its a joke..

[@berryberenger4277]

What about Simone Inzaghi' style from Inter Milan team?

[@MathewParker-by4nx]

Football is absolutely becoming boring to watch. Players are now so obsessed with just keeping the ball they’ve lost any understanding of the objective which is to score goals. It’s almost like goals are now accidental and not intended.

[@stillakilla]

The level has also dropped BY A HUGE MARGIN

[@HaiderAhsan-s8z]

I think nobody noticing that there's a discussion going down in Frunchises and Clubs that all leagues will be played by professional players on Pc or Xbox with mind games like chess.... Only international matches will be played on ground with Crowd involve.. Fans can watch league matches online once they are finished or may be live stream.... This thing coming in near future

[@bobdobalina838]

I find it funny how in europe football is a proletariat sport for the masses, While the US seems to think it's something elite because it's european. 😅

[@dennisthemenace855]

Sports as a whole is becoming boring .. too much money invested now .. analytics took over

[@thabo3866]

thought I was the only one feeling it

[@Kicks2Intelligence]

IMO. You have 5 subs. Use them all at half time. Play something crazy like 4-2-4. Majority of teams play possession out of the back. Stabilize a tactic for the front 4 on CONSTANTLY pressing the oppositions defenders as a unit to where they have to play a long ball. Exhaust the front 4, and sub them out at half for 4 fresh legs. Long ball gets played in a panic and either you win the 50-50 air ball, or it goes straight back in your possession because it’s a poorly placed ball due to being rushed to play it. If they’re able to break the half-line the 4 attackers stay high, while the 2 in the mid play deep as coverage centrally. Ball gets forced wide for a cross because the middle is crowded. Win the ball and get it to one of your 2 CDMs who can play direct to one of the four attackers for an overwhelming instant counter attack. If the counter isn’t there you have 4 players already stationed in the opponents half to hold the ball up and wait for support. Far too many teams sit back and never press to actually test the back line under pressure which leads to these games of boredom.

[@CityCityJuve]

Even as a Juve fan I gotta say, Inter Milan do the exact opposite of what ur saying, they have talent and so much flair to them

[@Sspratz]

I think he’s aiming towards Man City mainly.

[@harukrentz435]

I watched Xabi's Leverkusen and i was hugely dissappointed, it was basically a lite version of Peps football. Will new manajer come up with new style of football?

[@igordrm]

It's been a while since I'm imagining the future of football relying on the capacity of every player to do every function. It will be not very different of what happened in the 70's, when speed and physics were found as weapons to change the game. If all players can execute all functions, then a team can move in such a way that will be extremely difficult to defend. It's like when a fullback carry the ball into midfield: since the fullback doesn't have a specific marker, it will come a moment when the opposite team will have one of their players displaced to tackle this bold full back, otherwise he will end up inside their goal, and that's a first crack on the opposite team defensive system. Teams will still have their formations on attacking and defensive phases, but any of the players will be minimal fit to develop the role expected from where they are on the pitch. Fore sure Fernando Diniz tactics are the dawn of this.

[@thefootballpunnedit]

The easiest way to argue that it's boring... is to watch the difference between a goal of the month contest 10-15 years ago... and a goal of the month contest now. I fucking HATE cutback football. The volume of cutback goals is disgusting to watch... it works but it's fucking aids on the eye.

[@TalkingFootballWeekly]

Thats why I enjoy watching Luton town, they play so beautifully even though they lose it's enjoying!

[@dennisaddo2609]

International football >>>>> Club football at the moment.

[@MVsekai114]

Pep is a control freak. He hates randomness in football, he tires the opposition into running around chasing the ball untill a certain player who's already chosen is free and thus a goal happens. Pepball pre meditates that, and in turn it's boring.

[@oj397]

Doku, Alvarez, Foden, KDB’s wonder passes, you don’t actually watch City you look at results and Finals. Watch city game by game, season after season, and call it boring. Even this season with the Newcastle game that was beautiful, hard fought, fluid football.

[@LitoLochoss]

Control is better deal with it

[@BalrajTakhar-u7u]

He's a bald fraud. Had Messi to supply success at Barcelona. Won in a one team league in Germany. And now at a club that spends almost a billion each year on transfers, Should try managing Crystal Palace or a similar side and see how he does. Plus he's an insufferable canut.

[@monoelmono9476]

I've been watching football for 35 years. When Americans used to call football boring I'd get defensive and argue back. The past 3 or 4 years I wouldn't even argue back anymore. It's so slow and robotic. Im a Spurs fan who watched us play blistering football for 4 months then played this slow turgid rigid football. We pass it along the back for 3-4 mins and another fan told me they are trying to draw a midfielder out of position. Every week that happened and it ended up for a throw to the other team. It's not just my team, everyone is at it. It's slow, boring, and no fun at all. I questioned if it was a sign of getting old, as we get grumpy and complain as we age, but this is really shite. I hope it's a phase because I don't enjoy watching anymore

[@KarlSkorger]

The game isn't all that anymore...too much passing no long balls 😔

[@EDVIKMustafayev]

FOOTBALL IS LIFE BRO 🔥⚽🦵

[@KarlSkorger]

@@EDVIKMustafayev you play?

[@EDVIKMustafayev]

@@KarlSkorger Yes bro many times

[@KarlSkorger]

@@EDVIKMustafayev wow...love to meet mates who play the sport...nice one bruddah 🔥 What position do you play?

[@EDVIKMustafayev]

@@KarlSkorger Defender. I want to become a football player.

[@Silver__Lion]

So yes, mainstream football is becoming boring. My alternative is the MLS, been following the league since 2015, this season just started and I’m having a blast with it.

[@debajyotiroy8726]

This is the only reason i also started watching women's football... At least a breath of fresh air there... Even Spanish women's team don't pass at each other that much like men

[@ricaard6959]

As great as Pep's philosophy is, it's not only boring, but it also only works with truly great players. You can't win it with less fit or less disciplined players using that style. For me the only truly entertaining "great team" of the last half a decade or so is Peak Liverpool, and that IMO is Klopp's biggest achievement, the fact that he built a near invincible team while not restricting his players too much.

[@JasonPotter-x5e]

Football is a sad sport for the sad British working class, how can you get excited about 22 idiots chasing a bag of wind.

[@zedgenius9347]

Football these days is kind of like chess. The most optimal way to play is also the most boring for the viewer. Watching Man City hold possession for 75 minutes and win 2-0 with 2 tap ins is the same as watching 2 chess grandmasters play 30 moves of drawn theory and shake hands at the end. Obviously you can't blame teams like Man City, why would they play less effectively than they could, right? But people who watch the sport can also not be blamed if they don't bother with these "big games" and would rather watch "worse" teams. For me personally it's not a dilemma, because the team I support (Olympiacos) doesn't play at that level, but for fans of Premier League clubs I can see this modern era being a pain

[@colincolin5696]

Man City win “football is boring. Farmers league” Man City lose “haha billions and still can’t buy wins” The hate is unreal. 😂

[@oj397]

Right, like we play the football he literally asks to see, Outside the box? We got 9 of em this season so far, on pace to go up against basically any side going back to 05/06 when they started tracking it, want crazy passes City, dribblers? Doku, Grealish, Alvarez, pure playmaking? Foden, Silva, KDB. Goals? Do I even have to say Haaland’s name? If he wants to go further and watch meaningless flash football that doesn’t have the passion or intensity that is part of what makes footy fun, then he needs to go become a PSG fan and then watch them fail year on year when they have to play people actually competing.