For All Mankind Alternate Timeline Explained | Changes 1969 - 1982

[@PetePeppers1]

I think I'm most interested in seeing the different tech that develops earlier, and what they have planned in the way of the Cold War. Let me know what you're hoping to see.

[@adamt2017]

Lithium batteries leading to electric cars in the early 80s is a pretty big tech jump, for sure. With compact battery tech alone, we should see leaps and bounds ahead of reality. It’s going to be fascinating

[@PetePeppers1]

@@adamt2017 I agree.

[@redharvest298]

3 mile island is prevented due to nuclear expertise from James Town.

[@PetePeppers1]

@@redharvest298 there were a few things I overlooked. George H. W. Bush not being Reagan's VP might be significant too.

[@dragoninthewest1]

You left out the Three Mile Island disaster being averted because of better Tech (likely digital LED gauges instead of analog). Edit: after S2E10 I think 3-mile might have had a backup computer that prevented it like Jamestown

[@nathan92238]

Don’t forget the nuclear technology in Jamestown prevented 3 mile island and so there wasn’t a major shift in sentiment against nuclear

[@remasterus]

Really? That's one of the coolest details. I don't have Apple TV so I'm not watching, but I'm so happy they put that in!

[@nickl5658]

If not for 3 mile, we might have molten salt nuclear reactors by the 1990s.

[@Queue3612]

Oh, I completely missread it then when I'd flashed by, I thought 3 mile still happened as they were testing stuff for jamestown

[@AlmightyFilms]

@ArulVon Fadhilah There probably would have been tbh Chernobyl could only be avoided if Russia would have actually listened to scientists & removed all the faulty and cheap tech. lol

[@tmanonzune]

@ArulVon Fadhilah Chernobyl happened in 1986 so we don’t know what will happen in the shows timeline.

[@RobertoChiaveri]

Did anyone notice they say “d mail” instead of “e mail”, as in “digital” mail? That’s the kind if details that remind me if BSG, where paper didn’t have corners.

[@benAmerica]

I caught that too and thought it was well done.

[@PetePeppers1]

Yep, it's d-mail in the alternate timeline.

[@Reiswaffel]

You silly goose. Paper had more corners on BSG! :-P

[@timothyblazer1749]

Gosh...and here I thought you were making an error and meant BBN, as in Bolt, Beranik and Newman.... Eesh. I think I'm old. :-) I saw BSG1 on TV...

[@operationwolf5702]

@@timothyblazer1749 me too! me too! Apearently they are doing a reboot! I say leave it alone

[@hendrickstoops3591]

A minor fix - DEFCON 4 is what we’re at right now, and it’s not a crisis footing. The system goes from 5 - peacetime, to 1 - war.

[@BlueDoubleSharp]

Well we don't get to know what we're at right now, only after the fact. we could assume 5 though, as that's standard

[@legonkdroid1612]

Defcon 1 is actually a nuclear doomsday where nations are launching nukes at eachother which would be the end of humanity

[@legonkdroid1612]

CHEESE

[@usarkarzts4207]

That is a lie. It goes from we're cool to we're fucked.

[@usarkarzts4207]

@Larry Richards you know it was a joke right?

[@isabuckles]

DEFCON 4 is the second lowest readiness condition. Something a lot of films and television programs mess up.

[@leosturgeon5931]

I think its more the fact they moved down from 5 thats the big deal, not sure though

[@isabuckles]

@@leosturgeon5931 The problem is that they assume the audience is too brain-dead to figure that out.

[@ragunathtikiri480]

My man they talk about this on the show in season 2 episode 1

[@Exodon2020]

Yeah, also West Berlin border guards were British, American or French based on their respective Sector. The West German Military was not allowed to enter West Berlin despite the city being a part of West Germany. This caused the awkward situation of West Berlin inhabitants being exempted from the Bundeswehr's General Military conscription which subsequently led to a lot of leftists and "alternatives" moving into the city to escape the draft.

[@insideoutsideupsidedown2218]

Even the people who wrote this stuff saw WAR GAMES...come on man!

[@andjoa1975]

Plot twist, altenate timeline leads into The Expanse :)

[@PetePeppers1]

I could get behind that.

[@marcmagnier]

Cool trivia : The Expanse is in the same timeline as "The Martian" and probably "Artemis" by Andy Weir

[@dragoninthewest1]

Marco Inaros wants to know your location

[@lazarusboi6289]

There actually was a very small Jamestown base reference in S5 ;)

[@Jogeta5]

More like Star Trek.

[@MrAshleyR]

It's worth noting that Von Braun was forced out (in the show) because he was against militarisation of the moon, not for being a former Nazi. Much like our timeline, the powers that be were quietly OK with it.

[@PetePeppers1]

Yeah, I've had a lot of comments saying it's unbelievable that they would fire him for being a member of the SS. People seem to be missing that that waa just the way to sell it to the public.

[@fmlazar]

Nixon had ordered that Von Braun's past be brought to the public as an act of revenge, something very much in character with "Tricky Dick".

[@fmlazar]

Operation Paperclip was the program to whitewash biographies of the former Nazi scientists employed by the U.S. Government which included Von Braun.

[@williamthomas1]

Von Braun also said there would be a stage alien Invasion in the future.

[@thorin1045]

i would say he was ousted for failing. not sure how much it would change at that point, would have been a better show if they went with the route of pushing him out for being a nazi (much earlier), and that would costed the usa the moon landing.

[@muzansama8828]

For all mankind has so much potential, cannot wait for more episodes and for more of your videos about it.

[@PetePeppers1]

Will keep doing weekly episode breakdowns for the next few weeks to see if views pick up. We'll see what happens.

[@elkapro6534]

@@PetePeppers1 I just finished 1st season, and gotta wonder: Is this The Expanse prequel? All jokes aside, it's a great show so far.

[@YeeHa711]

@@elkapro6534 Ronald D. Moore has said in interviews (and I have to paraphrase here) that for all mankind is like a prequel to Star Trek

[@EricToTheScionti]

Why are they showing us this??? Ufo stuff too??? Brace yourselves

[@EricToTheScionti]

WHOA

[@dandyondruch8045]

Am I the only one here, that is extremely happy about switching from The Expanse to this? These 2 are my most favourite sci-fi series and now my most favourite "series overview" youtuber does reviews on both of them, THANK YOU!

[@TheWolfsnack]

I just discovered FAM....and binged every episode so far!

[@yurypozdnyakov5177]

Nothing is wrong with both. Unfortunatly, you never know, where does it go from here and 3rd season of FAM might become some boring close spaceship\moon station dramedy, because of some COVID budget cuts.

[@ManOfAnswers]

I just imagine it as an unofficial prequel to The Expanse.

[@skirata3144]

@@yurypozdnyakov5177 Eh if anything covid should increase the budget for a series since more people are bored at home and therefore spending more time watching shows.

[@asetelini]

@@TheWolfsnack That shit was crazy! I am over the moon.

[@chriswyke]

Many think that Sergei Korolev's poor health later in life could have been the result of 6 harsh years in Stalin's gulags from 1938-1944. Maybe in FAM's timeline he did not go to the gulag and his health in later years was not as bad.

[@BGCanadianBacon]

That's as ironic as it gets. Their own system is what prevented the Soviets from beating America in the space race

[@acarrillo8277]

Oh it's even more ironic, his death was directly attributed to the severe beating he received in an attempt to get a confession from him. His jaw was wired shut for an extended period of time during his initial period at the gulag did the most damage. Funny thing was Korolev was a staunch believer in communism even though all of that.

[@ffffuchs]

no, in EP7 Korolev talks about gulag in a very personal way, so its clear he was there in FAM timeline too..

[@chriswyke]

@@ffffuchs I am wondering if Chernobyl and dissolution of the Soviet Union will happen in season 3 or be different in this timeline.

[@eriknewland3686]

I think it can be inferred that, in this timeline, the history and development of the USSR as a whole are different than in our timeline.

[@Callie_Cosmo]

What I love about this alternate history is that in this timeline we essentially have a monopoly on the moon, and so very little competition has occurred, but in that timeline there’s competition from both the us and ussr so there’s a fuck ton more progress

[@nickl5658]

Less money spent bombing other nations in proxy wars and more money in a space race that is actually beneficial to mankind.

[@infinite683]

Progress is being made now, but only because China and Space X are catching up to NASA. Suddenly we have funding for a Lunar Orbital Station, new Moon. missions, more drones to Mars, and more drones to other planet’s moons.

[@vladstefan5216]

To be fair, that lunar progress also came with a lot more death and conflict, and not even in the service of progress itself. Lets hope our form of competition for the moon will be just China dumping water on the moon to get more islands and Bezos making lunar factories for wage slaves next to rich holiday stations at worst.

[@MM22966]

A monopoly only works if you actually do anything with it. Who plays Monopoly to go around the board again & again without building houses? next time we go to the Moon, we stay there!

[@Callie_Cosmo]

@@MM22966 well first we gotta make some kinda summer homes up there, it’s like America when it was first settled by Europeans, started with Chris Colombo coming over dropping a flag down and going back, then some colonies came over and set up before going back, then finally we set up permanently Same diff with the moon except nobody’s up there already for us to slaughter and kill while setting up shop like the Native Americans were pre chrissy boi and his band of marry slaves So my point is next time won’t be permanent but a few round trips after it might be

[@DanMosqueda]

At Vandenberg AFB SLC-6 was built for the USAF shuttle program. The runway is long enough for shuttle landings, and the road from the flight line to SLC-6 had lowered street signs so the shuttle could be moved using its own landing gear. This would allow for quicker reconstitution for the next mission. I saw it all as a cadet back in the day. I spent 24 years as a Space and Missile officer. I had the privilege to see several launches at Vandenberg and KSC.

[@hallevingston2892]

Shame they used the space shuttles past their recommend lifespan. Loved Columbia! It was in Battle Star Galactica!

[@nenmaster5218]

@@hallevingston2892 Ngl, this Show is making me cringe cause the Past of America was just this cringe. I hope American Exceptionalism and all this dies out already. Holy Koolaid debunking the Blessed-Country-Lie hopefully helps.

[@MM22966]

What I like about this show is that is basically positive message, despite all the danger and missteps. You watch Expanse, NuTrek, just about any modern scifi, it has a very dystopian message of "Yep, everything's fucked." This show STARTS with things getting fucked, and they pull themselves up by their bootstraps and GET ON WITH THE JOB!

Edward Baldwin and Gordon Stevens are based on Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper who were the backup crew for Apollo 10 mission with Donn Eisele too. In our timeline Cooper was the commander and Ed was the lunar module pilot. So in the alternative timeline everything is changed. The backup crew becomes the main crew. The roles are switched and the names are changed too

[@Ali-bu6lo]

Also there's a problem with the divergences in the time jump. The whole reason for Anwar Sadat's assassination was his peace deal with Israel at camp David. So if that peace is never signed and the Egyptian-Israeli relations are on low terms, the whole assassination would have never happened.

[@fludblud]

Not necessarily, that Sadat ever attempted peace with Israel was still enough reason to kill him even if he failed.

[@someguy4512]

@@fludblud yeah , sadat played a major role making peace between the arab countries and Israel

[@sasmalprasanjit2764]

So that mean, SINAI PENINSULA , suez canal is under Israel occupation..of course in alternate universe

[@Ali-bu6lo]

@@sasmalprasanjit2764 Yes and no, the thing is that we don't know if the 1973 Yom Kippur war has happened in this world or not. I think it has happened given that it wasn't too far from the main divergence (1969 moon landings). During the Yom Kippur war, Egypt managed to retake most of the eastern shore of the Suez while Israel occupied considerable land west of the Suez. The situation was not sustainable, Two scenarios are likely: another war in the 80s which would have likely ended the same way as 1973, with minimal gains for Egypt (like recapturing Israeli held land west of Suez and holding the eastern shore of the channel) but Israelis holding Sinai in the end. The other scenario would be a peace treaty which would have seen a return to the conditions before 1973 but with UN forces stationed on both sides of the channel.

[@iainballas]

Plot Twist: This is how the Mirror Universe from In a Mirror Darkly came about.

[@Rex-ii2yz]

I loved Enterprise. A Mirror so Darkly if Recall. Best Star Trek every.

[@valf1733]

Long live the empire!

[@fmlazar]

Naah... the Mirror Universe is OUR future.

[@RandyBaumery-u3g]

Nah. 3 Body Problem aliens will come f--- it all up for everyone. 😅

[@aquamonkee]

Also worth noting is by the early 1980's alt-NASA has a fleet of 9 operational shuttles Kon-Tiki, Columbia, Beagle, Discovery, Enterprise, Endeavour, Atlantis, Victoria, Constitution and the prototype V2 shuttle Pathfinder also the Air Force have their own fleet despite continuing to provide pilots to NASA. In real life NASA maintained only 4 operational shuttles

[@simonm1447]

There were plans (in the real time line) to build a improved second generation shuttle and a unmanned cargo version, but they were never realized. At the end the complete concept had too much disadvantages.

[@exhaustguy]

I would like to know if they ever got the f---ing insulation right on the shuttles in FAM. Besides Columbia we had a couple of near misses as well. With all the gunfire and the much greater progress, FAM still has less dead astronauts than our timeline.

[@kevinnac1]

@@exhaustguy Actually Yes They Fix that Problem in this Timeline it even became a plot Point When the Soviet steal the Blueprints(They Stealed the not Updated Versions so yeah...)

[@michaelusswisconsin6002]

No Challenger?

[@bad_pilot13official]

@@michaelusswisconsin6002 challenger still happens in the show

[@adamt2017]

The most poignant historical change has to be the USSR not invading Afghanistan. No invasion - no devastation at the hands of the Soviets - no “Charlie Wilson’s War” secretly funding the mujahideen - no Al Qaeda? - no 9/11?

[@PetePeppers1]

I mentioned that in my episode 1 video. The ripple effects there could be significant.

[@cbspock1701]

Good point. I hope we start to see more and more changes as the show goes on, how does the Cold War end? Do we see the conflict with Russia increase and a war breaks out into space on the Moon or do we bury the hatchet and explore the rest of the solar system together?

[@sambonsampson228]

No boycott of the Moscow Olympics in 1980?? And no reverse boycott of the LA Olympics in 1984??

[@snaxx82]

Correction - the Soviets did not invade Afghanistan but intervened on invitation of the democratically elected pro-socialist government of Afghanistan, to help in the fight against the religious zealots. Obviously, the US did not like that.

[@PetePeppers1]

Another thing I forgot to include was that Bush isn't Reagan's VP. Could see a shake up in the Presidents from here.

[@Ninerforlife1979]

The writing for this show is superb. Such imaginaiton and how it flows is very realistic. One of the best shows out there.

[@eddiewillers1]

Binge watched the first season and was pleasantly surprised that Alexei Leonov was the first man on the moon. In our timeline too, it was to have been Leonov, had the N1 worked.

[@dragoninthewest1]

In season 10, we make first contact with the Vulcans

[@wishmaster7438]

The Vulcans are worse than Klingons.

[@johnhenrymills4517]

@@wishmaster7438 don't you fucking start this shit again! I've seen it enough on reddit

[@pbxn-3rdx-85percent]

In season 11 the Borgs arrived and played tennis.

[@Pintroll300]

So season 8 has the eugenics wars?

[@DarkSentinel52]

LOL

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

I like the surprise of what they change about history and the anticipation of what will happen in the future. On the intro they show our world, the moon, the solar system, our galaxy, galaxies and then the whole universe. I wonder how far they will take it.

[@SR71ABCD]

I bet this is like watching Man In The High Castle an Alternate timeline.

[@jiovanirivera852]

That show was sadly a let down

[@firstoffproductions1462]

@@cadmus204 it did well the first 2 seasons, season 3 was a slight drop but still good, season 4 they were so burnt out it was complete shit and just a "lets just finish this and go home, im tired" scenario.

[@AstroAvenger]

@@cadmus204 I wouldn't say it was as bad as GoT, season 4 was ok, not as good as the previous 3, but it really missed the landing with the finale episode.

[@johnevans6084]

Season 5 of Man in the High Castle would have had NAZIs invading other parallel worlds.

[@AlmightyFilms]

@@johnevans6084 See now that was stupid imo Could have just focused on John Smith's personal dilemma between his old American & his Nazi patriotism. The 2nd to last episode would at least been a perfect send off!

[@alexhere7129]

Thank you for this explanation video. I was not sure if Sergei's death being averted was the true breakaway from our timeline or not. Anyways great video

[@aquamonkee]

It would take more than his being alive to get get a rocket with was never going to fly, into lunar orbit

[@PeenileCansir]

yeah the soviets just straight up lost interest

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

No, their rocket didn't work and they failed.

[@10gamer64]

10:46 I am surprised that the writers didn't choose to make the Mars-3 mission successful in this show, given how close to success it was IRL, if mars 3 was successful, the USSR would have landed the first rover on mars in 1971. I wonder why they didn't add this event, it probably would have added some more tension.

[@jim2lane]

The main error with this show's initial premise is that the Soviets didn't lose the race to the moon because of Sergei Korolev's death. They simply couldn't afford to fully fund an ICBM race and Moon race with the US at the same time. They chose to prioritize ICBM development and as a result that program got the largesse of funding, leaving their N1 moon rocket program to make due with insufficient funds for proper development and testing

[@jackrutledgegoembel5896]

There must have been additional points of divergence. Korolev's surgery can't be the starting point, I agree.

[@elnico5623]

@@jackrutledgegoembel5896 well it was before that, becuase the nasa logo is different and thats from the early 60s

[@nenmaster5218]

Ngl, this Show is making me cringe cause the Past of America was just this cringe. I hope American Exceptionalism and all this dies out already. Holy Koolaid debunking the Blessed-Country-Lie hopefully helps.

[@xavariusquest4603]

A little late to this but the problem wasn't funding, it was technical expertise. They had a schedule of 10+ test launches that were funded. The first four suffered catastrophic failure before first stage sep. The brass correctly stopped it. They were no nearer solving their problems after 4 fails. They had been using mass array engine banks for years. The problem is they believed fervently that all they had to do was scale up previous designs. That was obviously a terrible misunderstanding of systems design. When Russian engineering journals started leaking out after Brezhnevs death, engineering schools in the West got to see just how broken the university system had become under Communist rule. It was also at that point that the US stopped viewing the Russians as real threats for anything other than lobbing nukes

[@DoyleHargraves]

@@nenmaster5218 it must be nice pretending that you'd have a 2022 moral compass in 1969. Btw, we actually did win the race to the moon. We are exceptional.

[@AerospaceMatt]

2:10 They could not land Apollo 10 for two reasons. 1. It did not have a “full tank of gas” Don’t quote me for #2, but I believe also that LM was too heavy, having not been put through the weight remover program.

[@metropod]

They intentionally made it so Snoopy couldn’t land specifically so Apollo 10 wouldn’t be tempted. Their job was to test the abort system and look at potential landing sites.

[@AerospaceMatt]

@@metropod Yes. They didn’t want Tom and Gene going rogue. But, I don’t think they get enough credit. Everyone just assumes they’d try to be the first if they could (kinda like in the opening scene of Space Cowboys). But remember, as test pilots, they both knew the necessity of testing any vehicle, especially the LM, before attempting a landing, so I don’t think they would have tried even if they had enough fuel to do it. And one of the 2 guys in the LM, Gene Cernan, would end up being a moonwalker anyways.

[@fmlazar]

Apollo 10's mission was to work out the variables for descent landing using native conditions it was the data obtained that was used to optimize Apollo 11's landing profile. This would be an ongoing process that would enable further optimistion to allow more payload and life support supplies to be delivered to the lunar surface in the Block 2 LMs Apollos 15-17.

[@shstan96]

This is so interesting. We need more realistic space SF shows like this.

[@elite3254]

Ikr. We’ve seen plenty of movies, shows and video games with big starships with FTL capabilities. It’s nice that this is more grounded in reality

[@Joao-ur7ey]

@@elite3254 I would really love a good hard space sci-fi game. Unfortunately developers and studios love their generic pew pew pew approaches to space.

[@bUh9]

​​@@Joao-ur7ey Children of a dead earth is one game, it might seem super difficult but its decently accessible

[@flare9757]

Apollo 13 made it to the moon, but they did not land. They used the moon to slingshot back to Earth to make a landing.

[@lordchickenhawk]

..came looking for this comment...

[@redflame44]

i just heard of this show.... so i just finished season 1.... wow... i loved it.... it was amazing..... now i'm off to season 2... .rockets away!!

[@HeyesFTWYT]

Great Round-up! Missed the not about Charles and Camilla when watching the show. Just finished S2 and Holy Cow did that end on a cliffhanger

[@MM22966]

But I feel bad for Ed. Seems he gets kicked in the nuts every time he goes to space.

[@SkyeNewsFeed]

thanks Pete, great reviews as usual. i had to go back and binge season 1 to catch up, this show is a great replacement from the Expanse high.

[@PetePeppers1]

I was thinking of doing a season 1 recap, but this seemed more interesting. Might still do one down the road. Thanks for watching.

[@SkyeNewsFeed]

@@PetePeppers1 the timeline covers much of season 1. im looking forward to season 3

[@PetePeppers1]

@@SkyeNewsFeed saw that they started filming, should be cool to see the 90s.

[@patrickflannigan319]

My wife and I love the program, can’t wait for season three.

[@notHere8801]

this show has my heart!! it means everything to me

[@guillaumefigarella1704]

Great content has always

[@PetePeppers1]

Thanks 👍

[@AstroAvenger]

Great series, I'm a sucker for alternate history.

[@cbspock1701]

A good show, need something to replace the Expanse between seasons. The New Star Trek series are complete trash

[@sambonsampson228]

NuTrek is an abomination! Thankfully it and all its offspring are not canon, being set in an alternative timeline.

[@t4rv0r60]

eh, lower decks is pretty good

[@aquamonkee]

It seemed to me that Ed's character made a deliberate dig at Star Trek Discovery during episode 4 when he said to Danielle 'black woman commander, is a thing now.....' Given the media were having a joygasm over "Michael" being just that and despite the fact in the 90's Star Trek had delivered a black CO - Sisko and a female CO - Janeway.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

Discovery grew on me, and especially in the last season its finding its legs. Picard was an absolute disaster of a sh*tshow piled on top of a pi$$ed-on dumpster fire.

[@EricToTheScionti]

@@aquamonkee thats all the new show is...sjw⁴ circle jerk.

[@chrisphoenix77]

The reason the USA got to the moon first IRL was the approach to tech. The USSR had a "get there first" mentality. First to space, first to orbit, etc. The problem was that they were building ships to *be first.* Not to go to the moon, just to fulfill a purpose. The designs weren't iterative, they weren't made to be built upon, but they were innovative and first. The USA had an iterative approach. Every launch, every mission, was a brick in the foundation of the next one. Apollo 11 was built on every mission and launch prior, the "final" iteration. It's like building a tower to the moon. The USSR reached each floor first, but as they climbed, the bottom floors would start to collapse. They'd have to stop, rebuild or repair a lower floor, then keep going. The USA took their time and built each floor solidly, and so there was never any actual loss in progress. The USA tower reached the moon first because it had a foundation, while the USSR never made it because they weren't first. The very core purpose of the USSR program - being first - was shattered. That's partly why the Soyuz is *still* in service - it became sufficient for everything they still did, and didn't require much iteration. If the Soviets reached Luna first, the USA wouldn't have ended it there, because the USA didn't want to be first at everything, just wanted to be in first at the end. And it's space, so there's never really an end.

[@nunezm58]

This is an awesome time-line review! The increasingly divergerging time-line and acceleration of the space advancement had me thinking of an exciting possibility: Is it that Naren Shankar and Ronald D. Moore have envisioned "For All Mankind to eventually be a "pre-cuel" of "The Expanse?" (which just ended its 6th season on Amazon Prime, and apparently are no plans to continue the story) 😲

[@johnevans6084]

Maybe... If they have a lot more seasons of FAM. The Expanse takes place in the 2350's with Solomon Epstein inventing the Epstein drive sometime in the early 2210's. There's a 30-year gap between Book 6 and Book 7, so it does make sense for the series to end after season 6. Just wish they didn't spend so much time covering the novella Strange Dogs... The opening sequences that take place on Laconia in each episode. Since they spent so much time on it, I suspect there might be a movie or two where they'll get a larger budget to age the main cast.

[@redenginner]

The amount of effort that went into the first season’s technological research seems to have disappeared from the second season with a what looks like an unmodified OTL space shuttle landing on the moon.

[@Galactico42]

@Chrispy Disagree. It seems that because of higher budgets, the shuttle was able to live up to its quick-turn around re-usability intent, which makes it very useful for a robust space program with multiple simultaneous missions.

[@Galactico42]

I haven't finished season 2, so maybe you're referring to something I haven't seen, but my understanding was that the shuttles were left in orbit and reached with an evolved LEM, which I agree we should have seen for clarification.

[@Galactico42]

@Chrispy KZbin has recommended a Scott Manley video going into all of this. I hadn't watched it because I hadn't seen the show yet, but I'll get around to checking it out now. It certainly makes sense to me that in this timeline the shuttle would have design tweaks specific to the moon missions.

[@polarequatorial709]

Ah, so Ted Kennedy drove a Volkswagen in this alternative timeline. 😁

[@TobeWilsonNetwork]

Very under appreciated joke here

[@jeremytheexplorer4689]

Imagine someone change a small history in the past and end up making all this alternate universe happened to us

[@Para1122]

That's called the butterfly effect!

[@ZakhadWOW]

the literal representation of the "Butterfly Effect"

[@ashleydebartolo1219]

Guess I’ll be giving this show a shot!

[@johnhrivnaksoccer]

Love the content bro and the show!

[@michaelasebedo8392]

Awesome Job!!! It helped to explain the differences that lead to this alternate timeline. I remember wondering what they did different to make the N1 rocket successful. I can't help but wonder if the characters would have been able to look at our " timeline" what their reactions would have been? Would they have been disappointed..... perhaps angry ?

[@fenixa2z936]

I REALLY hope they take this thing far. I mean farrrrr, like land people on Mars and Titan far. What a great show!!! Also, glad in S2 they finally got stars in the background of the moon shots. Beginning of S2 is just so beautiful.

[@Green_Tea_Coffee]

The post-credits scene for the season 2 finale shows an astronaut walking on the surface of Mars in 1995.

[@fmlazar]

@@Green_Tea_Coffee Or cosmonaut.

[@BlueTemplar15]

​@@fmlazar :)

[@djmace9029]

I think that For All Mankind and The Martian could easily fit within the same timeline. I mean in the Martian (film) we don’t get much historical context on what the date is or how the political climate of human civilisation looks like so it could easily be that The Martian actually takes place in and around the 2010s because we know that humans reach Mars in the 90s in the FAM timeline and we know in The Martian that the Ares III mission on Mars wasn’t the first Mars mission. I doubt it’s real but it’s a cool thing to think about.

[@albertl6286]

Hey thx for doing a video on this show. I am enjoying, but would love a brake down of what you think of it could really happen

[@Andromeda4482]

Can't wait for your update video next year. "In our timeline, the Phoenix was launched with Dr. Zefram Cochrane on board, however, there is a divergence in this timeline. As when the first contact happens. The humans proceed to kill and take over the Vulcan ship. This leads to the formation of the Terran Empire"

[@JakeBaldwin1]

Humanity First!

[@fmlazar]

The divergence is earlier than that because that timeline produced a Zephram Cochrane with a mindset for murder.

[@rager-69]

At 9:04, not just any WH staffer, but the woman who would've died at Chappaquiddick in 1969. Also, no Reagan assassination attempt

[@emancoy]

Season 5 is when they built a interplanetary ship farm called Botany Bay that would be hijacked by genetically augmented humans led by an Indian General Noonan Singh

[@michaelboyko5024]

Thanks a lot fir the quality summary of the plot! The only slight mistake is about the first wheel rover on another planet, well the Soviet Lunokhod-1 and Lunokhod-2 were wheel rovers on the Moon. There had been planned the L-3, but the program was cancelled. You can enjoy the Lunokhod-3 in Moscow in the Museum of Cosmonautics. That's a funny design thing, indeed, relatively big, a bit larger than a minibus. There are real original things of the era, and you can even taste the Cosmonaut food, it's sold out by vending machines.

[@brownbearboxproductions3458]

This show is just simply amazing, so is man in the high castle

[@rageagaintstheNWO]

Except the last season.

[@ChrisOffner]

Thank you for this video! I think it'd be more enjoyable if you weren't yelling throughout it. Personally I'd much prefer a more documentary-like voice over style and pacing. Hope you'll continue making videos about this show and its relationship to our real history. :)

[@ROMANCENTURION88]

Imagine a timeline where the USSR and the USA work together in a space race

[@kiverix]

Season 3 lol

[@ROMANCENTURION88]

@@kiverix I was referring to real life

[@kiverix]

@@ROMANCENTURION88 oh sorry 😞

[@ROMANCENTURION88]

@@kiverix uh it’s fine

[@maggiweber]

Thank you for your Video

[@andrewpayne2792]

They missed a potential story arch - As a result of the increased NASA expenditure and increased demand for electronic engineers, a young Steve Wozniak gets recruited to work for NASA instead of HP. He never meets a young Steve Jobs and they never go on to form Apple. As Apple never existed- the series “for all mankind” creates a paradox and the universe collapses in on itself

[@fmlazar]

The universe can survive without the invention of the iPhone.

[@OperatorKevlar]

Everyone be gangsta till one of the Soviet Cosmonauts slowly starts Kazotsky kicking in space.

[@imanishraf6215]

You know how serious it is when America and Soviet almost went to war all because a couple try to cross the wall. 13:54.

[@cropathfinder]

in reality there were a lot of cases like this and most were fully covered up, neither side like their ppl on the ground causing these and we know atleast several East german guards were severely punished or executed for shooting into the other side of the border or at refugees that crossed

[@Exodon2020]

@@cropathfinder They were under orders to shoot escapees, but were not to fire into West Berlin under any circumstances. It still happened and a few times, nearby Western border guards and West Berlin Police Units responded and returned fire. Multiple East German border guards were killed or wounded because of it.

[@antondovydaitis2261]

Thank you.

[@Simonsays90]

This show is criminally underrated. Apple needs to up their marketing game

[@KelsaRavenlock]

I dont know a single person who can name a show on apple TV. Perhaps just being on apple is the problem.

[@Shadow__133]

I watched and would rate it a 5, mediocre show.

[@Simonsays90]

@@Shadow__133 good for you

[@Shadow__133]

@@Simonsays90 Not so much, there's really nothing worth watching right now.

[@Simonsays90]

@@Shadow__133 i know that game, Wandavision is pretty good if you like the MCU. That and For All mankind are the only new things ive watched since the Expanse ended

[@edwardfletcher7790]

One of the most fascinating shows on TV. Makes great Alt.History viewing along with "Man in the High Castle" 👍

[@dimetronome]

I personally think this show is better than Man in the High Castle. I think MitHC would’ve been better if it was a movie rather than a TV show and stuck a bit closer to the book.

[@Exodon2020]

14:08 small mistake here: The West Berlin garrison comprised of American, British and French soldiers as Berlin's status still relied on a treaty with the USSR that went into effect before either of the two German states has been founded. As a side effect of this West German military and paramilitary forces (including Border Guards) had no right to enter Berlin.

[@kickflipdemon]

this is the video that got me hooked to for all mankind

[@charlesweigel1100]

You didn't mention the US keeping the Panama Canal and communist taking control in Panama. Also, Jimmy Carter's absence really had a major impact on this world with the failure of the Camp David Accords and Jimmy not giving Panama the canal which leads to Panama going communist! This is such a volatile world where ww3 can start soo many ways.

[@rainalane1638]

I hope the writers from both the expanse and this show connect 2 show together, that would be sooo cool !! Think about it, for all mankind timeline lead to massive increase in space program lead to human land on Mars in the Martian lead to moon city in Artemis which lead to the establishment of the UN and MCR which directly lead to the expanse timeline!

[@Shadowkey392]

Honestly, the whole plot point with Wernher Von Braun getting the boot because of his Nazi past is probably the STUPIDEST plot point ever. IRL, the USA was FULLY aware of his Nazi affiliations (and of the whole slave labour thing) and it didn’t bother them. All that mattered to them at the time was getting to space first, especially when the Soviets beat them time and time again. So if it didn’t bother them in our timeline, I can’t see it bothering them in the other timeline where the Soviets have CONTINUED to beat them.

[@jbotkin47]

In the show, it was only used for political purposes. Rather than side-step it, they made a big deal of it to oust him. Echoes of modern day cancel culture where previously accepted problems are exaggerated to get rid of someone.

[@rocketpunchgo1]

True- the government knew about it- and didn't care. But the American public... that's a different story.

[@joeyknight8272]

@@jbotkin47 or it was just a dumb plot point

[@jbotkin47]

@@joeyknight8272 To each his own. I thought it paralleled real world politics and easily someone can go from hero to villain by pushing the right buttons by the right people. E.g. Cuomo in NYC over the last 6 months.

[@joeyknight8272]

@@jbotkin47 I just feel like that what it was. It makes no sense even in a fictional world.

[@SnakeHoundMachine]

This show seems really cool and well done, I hope it comes out on some sort of streaming service.

[@paulalowery7411]

I just started watching this; Hands down, thumbs up, this show is unequivocally, irrevocably, indescribably the best show I've seen since Star Trek!!! It has completely wiped Game of Thrones off the face of my mind. 🤗. The writers have done a great job with the character building, and the tech....wow! I really was floored by this show....LOVE it!! Great Job! 👍🏽❤️💯🏆🥇🙂👽🌛🌞💫👏🧑‍✈️🧑🏻‍✈️👩🏾‍✈️👩‍✈️👩🏿‍✈️👭👬

[@merrillundgren1790]

Agree 1000%!

[@earthssingularity2039]

You did great work!! wuv your stuff man!

[@yuli1970]

For all mankind is a prequel to The Expanse, change my mind

[@mbaxter22]

Actually it's more like a prequel to 2001 / 2010.

[@gerardanderson9665]

Yeah but expanse take place in the 25th century. Im sure we will be like super advance by then. I mean in the expanse universe they did not even invent warp drive

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

@@gerardanderson9665 they didn't invent the warp drive because the warp drive is not real and never will be

[@nickl5658]

@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Warp drive is possible. We now have a warp bubble configuration that does not need negative mass to be produced. So one bit of super science removed. Now we just need to discover how to curve space time without using mass... maybe generate higgs particles

[@amonkeigh4970]

@@nickl5658 have a link to the published paper on this? i havn't kept up on the alcubierre warp drive in a while. Last i checked they had worked out a way to reduce the energy needed from a planets work of mass to a small car, the math on that however was reliant on exotic matter as you have stated. Personally i share the opinions of the above poster regarding Warp tech, but in this case i would rather delightfully be proved wrong.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

Ronald Moore is a freaking legend. Star Trek TNG, Battlestar Galactica reboot and this?

[@ironwarmonger]

The real change is they got a N1 Rocket to work. Remember the N1 is the only rocket with a 100% Failure rate that more then one of was ever build. The fact was that even the Soviet space program leader did not thing the 30 engine configuration would ever work, but he also knew they could not build engines the size of the F1.

[@aquamonkee]

Yes in the alt-history there would have to be something along the lines of less severe trade sanctions on the Soviets which allowed for bigger engines or a differently designed rocket since designs of the N1 go back to the 50's

[@ironwarmonger]

@@aquamonkee The Soviet in ability had nothing to do with Trade Sanctions, and everything to do with the lack of funding. As the leader of their program said when he was the F1 Engine, "it would take us three years just to build the test stand for an engine that large".

[@simonm1447]

The N1's engines were bad and unreliable. This was a main problem, today Space X uses more reliable engines which fly successfully in the FH, a 27 engine vehicle. Much later they developed the RD 170, an engine even more powerful than the F-1, used in the Energia rocket for the Buran (it has 4 chambers, but it is essentially one engine). A splitted engine version with half the thrust of the 170 is the 180, used for the Atlas 5.

[@ironwarmonger]

@@simonm1447 No its a Four Engine design, meaning the F1 is still the most powerful engine every build. And there was also a F1A, designed but not build, and then there was the M1 design...

[@simonm1447]

@@ironwarmonger It has 4 chambers, but only one turbo pump, and the 4 chambers can't be used individually, so it's more or less one engine with 4 engine nozzles. It's even a closed cycle design, which is hard to build (the Raptor is also a closed cycle one) Of course I respect your opinion, there are different positions regarding this. BTW, the Shuttles SRBs were even more powerful.

[@JeffStraight]

Well done!

[@PetePeppers1]

Thanks. Glad you liked it.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

The point of divergence have to be before 1966, even though that's the official date. The existence of Ed Baldwin and Gordo Stevens on the Apollo program means the whole program has gone differently at the beginning.

[@dimetronome]

Baldwin and Gordo are based on Stafford and Cernan. I don’t know why they changed the names of some astronauts and not others.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

@@dimetronome From what I've heard Gordo is based on Gordon "Gordo" Cooper and Tracy on his wife Trudy. I mean the parallels are obvious, Trudy was also a pilot like Tracy and They divorced at some point, also I think Gordo Cooper was on Apollo 10's back up crew.

[@Ali-bu6lo]

@@dimetronome I think they changed the names of those whose personalities and lives diverged a lot from reality and thus it would've been controversial to keep the actual name. I mean, what the family of Gordo Cooper would think of him being portrayed as someone who lost his shit on the Moon or regularly cheat on his wife?

[@dimetronome]

@@Ali-bu6lo wow, that’s very interesting. I didn’t know that.

[@dimetronome]

@@Ali-bu6lo those are very good points.

[@rebeccarabinowitz6590]

I'm not surprised that Chappaquiddick gets butterflied out. In OTL that happened during the Apollo 11 moon mission, and I suppose Kennedy was made more alert in ATL about the Soviet mission...

[@hobog]

To name your settlement Jamestown is like naming your vessel Icarus or Titanic, or your settlement Roanoke. What a fail 8:16

[@deltax4144]

What you call a failure is what I call foreshadowing!

[@fmlazar]

Jamestown was not a failure.

[@JoaquinPhi]

This serie is great.

[@tubulartopher]

12:29 my biggest beef with this particular alternate history story is how certain events, such as the John Lennon asasination attempt, still took place in the same year at the same time. Regardless of outcome, I feel for realism's sake I would have taken events like this one and moved them a year ahead or back -- or have them not happen at all! The thing about alternate timelines is that EVERYTHING is effected from the moment of alteration.

[@fmlazar]

Not neccessarily. John Lennon's fame and reasons for his assasination were not linked to the moonshot. However a more paranoid American government might never have released the Internet to the public as it happened in this timeline.

[@Para1122]

Not necessarily, alternate timelines can have minor alterations and that's it.

[@tubulartopher]

​@@Para1122 Agreed. It's just so many stories have these events taking place exactly as they occured. I just prefer Alternate History entertainment to go more... well, alternate.

[@tristenthomas7352]

Hey there’s no 9/11 or GWOT that’s pretty wild

[@joela.9237]

There's a museum dedicated to Deke Slayton in his hometown of Sparta, WI

[@solracer66]

One small detail that you missed and that is that the staffer that alternate Ted Kennedy has an affair with is Mary Jo Kopechne who had worked on his late brother's campaign in 1968 and most notably was the young lady who died in Ted Kennedy's car in Chappaquiddick in our timeline when he drove off the bridge into Poucha Pond Inlet back in 1969. So Kopechne still ends up bringing Ted Kennedy down, just 5 years or so after the original incident.

[@javiermoretti1825]

She didn't "fake" an injury. She actually broke her arm to get sent back to Earth.

[@PetePeppers1]

Yeah, she broke her arm on purpose.

[@brianarbenz1329]

And in sports -- John McEnroe is polite and Pete Rose turns down a groupie because she doesn't look 18.

[@freyawildesciencefictionau8156]

Very much looking forward to season 3. :)

[@TheWolfsnack]

Also....MIlly Cobb was based on real life Geraldyn M Cobb who went through and passed all of the training to be an astronaut...

[@PetePeppers1]

Yep, she definitely is.

[@johnhenrymills4517]

@@PetePeppers1 r.i.p molly cobb 2019

[@Rex-ii2yz]

@@johnhenrymills4517 She was a national treasure. RIP

[@Spotcats]

You know what would be more inspiring then taking history and changing it? Make a show that tells what really happened.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Real history is offensive to those who would rather hear the myth. Check what happened to the movie “First Man” - people wanted the myth, not a painful story about a broken man just trying to hold it together on what could easily be a suicide mission.

[@dimetronome]

I see what you mean and I agree with you, but it’s also important to keep in mind that alternate history usually has the effect of getting more people interested in learning about the real history.

[@maxwelll1978]

I would love to see them incorporate Project Orion (the nuclear pulse propulsion system). It was shut down by Kennedy after some one showed him a mock up of a militarized one. Also, it was propelled by hundreds of nuclear bombs.

[@fmlazar]

The ban on nuclear weapons in space put the stake in Oriion's heart.

[@fmlazar]

The Outer Space treaty forbids the use of nuclear weapons in space.

[@Para1122]

@@fmlazar They mean in the show I think

[@FreemonSandlewould]

First woman on the moon took a whole rocket full of throw pillows and now it will be all feng shui and comfy.

[@MrBubbleJet]

14:06 There is another change in history timeline. Hoshi Sato never joined the crew of the USS Enterprise NX-01 but became a TV news narrator. Fascinating! \\//

[@jacklandaupresents]

Right!? I saw her and was like, “Hoshi!”

[@Rex-ii2yz]

@@jacklandaupresents I was just happy to see her again.

[@alexbuckle1085]

First scheduled woman on the moon would be 2025 for Artemis, assuming they can stay on track.

[@NomNomNom1989]

its such a shame that this great series is on appleTV. it deserves way more attention. you cant even pay appleTV with debit card or paypal thats how bad that is. in europe we barely use creditcards and i literally know no one who got a credit card.

[@Emdee5632]

Yeah I know. Don't Americans have normal bank accounts? Apparently not. Several times now I've tried to order things from the USA but if you don't have a credit card you can't get anything. It's only possible when I use an European middle agent.

[@freelancenerd4804]

I really liked how as the show went on it strayed more and more from our timeline

[@dapeach06]

I think some things are pretty uninspired and not creative, and don't take into account historical context. Like how would the Mars rover still be called Sojourner? It was named in a student essay contest after abolitionist Sojourner Truth. Having that coincidentally happen decades beforehand is less realistic than anything in the show

[@Jogeta5]

It comes off a little uncreative, but I assume the idea was that it was supposed to be arriving at the same ideas through different means.

[@joshuajoe1419]

It would be too confusing to change all the names and redo everything. They’re trying to make it easier for them and for us.

[@JohnnyPappas]

How about the theory that it is meant to be called Sojourner in ALL timelines. It's an immutable point of each timeline where there is such a rover.

[@RandomYT05_01]

With alternate timelines, any far future you get into won't be inaccurate, as the timelines diverged quite awhile before the present.

[@peterhowie1212]

There seems to be a general theme that extensive space travel and exploration would be possible if the United States prioritized it over foreign conflict - although it has realistically taken place in a context where the motivation is still foreign conflict. Some of the events seem to be seeding that there will not be an Afghanistan and Iraq War.

[@PetePeppers1]

There definitely is. Most alternate history stories lean toward dystopia, and FAM seems to be leaning the other way.

[@robertortiz-wilson1588]

I understand the argument about the second Iraq War, but Afghanistan and the first Iraq War we're completely necessary and Justified. Should the US have added additional goals after the fact like trying to make Afghanistan a single federally centralized democracy? Probably not. Also, if the USSR somehow has the ability and has build up enough confidence from previous successes to decide to continue to drag itself along further into the 90s in this alternate timeline, then this theater of the Cold War that was continuing around the entire globe not only keeps up in space but also on Earth. Every direct and indirect invasion would be met. Every communist Insurgent group funded by the Soviets in the third world would also continue to be met. Along with a multitude of other factors, without Reagan and Gorbachev being leaders in the later half of the 80s oh, the Cold War predictably heats up not down. That means more interventions, this time though with a clear enemy.

[@petercrowl9467]

I hadn't watched this at all but with BCS coming to an end I'm casting about for another regular thing. I grew up in the original timeline so it's interesting and...it keeps me in the Pepper Loop which I've come to enjoy from the BCS recaps.

[@LordToxygene]

Camilla wasn't ever considered suitable for Charles as a first wife. The Royals just stopped giving a crap and let him marry whoever he wanted after Dianna died. So, that one I find a bit of a stretch.

[@oldmansportsog2514]

About done with 1st season and I gave it a go because I'm a huge fan of the man in the high castle because I love history and alternate history is the best

[@lorenzovonmatterhorn7402]

If this ends with soviets firing neutron bursts to the US base on the moon in 1986, ill consider this space stuff real :D

[@Foxtrop13]

president Mandela do not die in prison like in our timeline