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[@miscemail2901]

Been poking around sampling your vids. It's great to see someone else that likes Madisound. I discovered Madisound back in the mid 80s and used them all the time for car and home audio. Saved a ton of money and never regretted it. I'm so glad they are still in business. I even bought a pair of their DIY ready to assemble bookshelf speakers to build with my teen son several years ago for fun. He's still using them as an adult on his computer/integrated amp setup.

[@RobotUnderground]

Good times, great oldies. This guy made his living from Madisound. web.archive.org/web/20061211023757/www.northcreekmusic.com/WhatsNew.htm

[@jkstdstang]

Replacing my 6.5 alpine type s coaxials in my truck doors with some silver flute 6.5. Undecided on tweeters yet but have some kicker 1” silk domes with crossovers from an old resolution component set i ran in the late 90s. probably use those since i have them already but think i may have some other old tweeters from the same time frame from JBL also. The alpines sound decent for the 65 bucks i paid but hoping to improve the SQ a little on a low budget.

[@johannjohann6523]

Finally found a friend and someone like me. Thank you for the channel. By the way, here's a tip for ya car stereo crazies: For the last 'too many years', I buy "home" speakers with the sizes I need for my car,. Disassemble the cabinets and put those speakers in my cars (keeping the cabinets for future builds for the home). Have you heard a decent inexpensive car speaker sound better than bookshelf speaker? Never! You just got to deal with the speakers being 8 ohm instead of 4 ohm, and your good! No the home speakers (at least the "decent" ones) do not get torn up being in the car and work fine for years and years without sound quality suffering. Been doing that since the '90's with great results. Need some 5 1/4 inch speakers, find ya a decent set of bookshelf speakers with 5 1/4 woofers new or used. And as for the tweets, it's always. always better to go component than coaxial speakers. A little extra work and you will get a much better sounding stereo in your car, something to be proud of compared to coaxial speakers.. And 3 way so much better than 2 way speaker systems ! Also, I guess 2 tips: Buy a marine grade boat stereo for your car. They are built much better, and generally offer more features at the same or reduced price. Thanks, and crank it up!

[@RobotUnderground]

I just do a $5 BT4 module now so the whole thing is wireless. Put my phone on SiriusXM and chill for the day.

[@JR-ho5qm]

I’m looking to build a 10” or 12” down firing sealed sub with granite base plate. I’m thinking I might purchase from Madisound. Any suggestions on a woofer and plate amp that might be good for this application? 👍🏻🔈

[@RobotUnderground]

It just depends on budget. I'm not a fan of plate amps as they seem to charge a premium for power. You'll want one with a variable bass EQ / boost though for that sealed box. I might have something here for you at a discount. Text me when you have your driver picked out or at least the budget. 6023126504

[@Acoustic_Theory]

Keep in mind, MCM was acquired by Newark, which is not an audio components supplier and probably will not have the patience necessary to cater to the audio enthusiast market in the future. They're blowing out the remaining stock of MCM's speakers at prices much lower than they would sell them for if they were planning to make a core business out of them. MCM used to price those drivers higher than what Newark has them at now, because audio was a core business for MCM. My belief is that eventually Newark will stop reordering these, if not already, and will exit the audio industry entirely.

[@larrygaines7462]

Mine are 15 years old and in perfect condition It would be foolish to discontinue these almost 9in drivers. The nvx 10 in sub cover fits and the spiraling holes look stunning on towers

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

Is it true is more difficult to cross subwoofers when the satelites are ported than if they were closed?

[@RobotUnderground]

Makes no difference.

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

I kinda wanna go 3 way with the Dayton Audio RS52AN-8 and the Peerless by Tymphany DX25TG59-04 tweeter. I imagine the tweeter is hard to beat considering ot goes for $20 already. I wonder if there's a cheaper dome midrange, or maybe I can get away with a cone one. Although if the reviews are to be believed the RS52AN-8 is capable of TOTL performance within 600Hz-4kHz while costing $45 a piece. Wonder if that 8 inch carbon fiber woofer would be the best missing link. And of course the other 2 choices are NOT set in stone. Edit: Also any opinions on the Exodus Anarchy?

[@anglerandy5736]

Go with peerless xt25sc90

[@RobotUnderground]

The better question is why would you use a dome mid like that? you'd have to cross it up around 600hz.

[@RobotUnderground]

Better to just run a 2 way with a good tweeter like that. It depends on what you're trying to do as well. You can cross up the tweeter 2 octaves for better power handling. For a normal 2 way though, 1.5k is fine.

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

@@RobotUnderground well I believe the 2 tweeters above can't cross below 2kHz and most 8 inch are breaking up that high. What are some budget tweeters that can cross at 1.5kHz?

[@RobotUnderground]

@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk No, both those should be fine at 1.5k. The fs is 800hz or below.

[@TheManoj300]

Agreed, Value is the most important factor which is missing in pursuit of obsessive passion for wattage and what not...

[@Turbogto_guy]

I have (4) 6.5 silverflutes in my car. Sounds awesome. And they have impressive bass.

[@karlschauff7989]

Madisound is great. Love living an hour away from their store! They great and happy to share their knowledge and experience.

[@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS]

I have some Dayton stuff. I have some stuff from Madisond too. For mb's I got several pairs of the silver flutes and I've made some bookshelves and some towers with them. I've even used the flutes in my doors of my car. I got some SB acoustics tweeters and some other drivers when they're on sale at Madisound.

[@RobotUnderground]

Sounds great! Mmm, fancy SB Acoustics. Someone spent their overtime money! lol.

[@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS]

@@RobotUnderground I had four 5.25 in SP acoustics mid base that I got at a screaming deal couple years back sitting on the shelf I wanted to throw a matching tweeters in. SB29 and they were on sale at Madison when I got them. Made a nice set of MTMs with them

[@RobotUnderground]

@@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS I miss having the time and space for home audio. Right now I have a pair of 6.5" ceiling speakers in the bedroom, 65" hung from the ceiling and then an old a/d/s powered bandpass 8" under the bed. The a/d/s amp has pre-amp high pass filters and the 6.5's will be powered by a 2x 15w Class T. Just need to re-install the micro PC back under the bed or maybe control with a Chromebook or something. Would love to control with my phone since I have unlimited data on the phone. Maybe over the holidays Santa will help me install.

[@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS]

@@RobotUnderground Yeah I solved that with Amazon purchase for 25 bucks. I think it was. Bluetooth dongle that goes to RCAs or 1/8 headphone style plug. And you can just plug it in anything and get Bluetooth. I bought a bunch of Boston in wall speakers from a remodel. (5) dual 5 and 1/4 with .75 tweet, and a pair each of eight and six and a 1/2-in coaxial. They actually sound really good. Boston tweeters are nice if not too bright. If I use them I'll likely pad them down Still not being used. I buy too much shit 🤔

[@RobotUnderground]

@@BARBELLS-AND-BUDS lol. That tells me you need to help more people. Get out there and help make their dreams a reality.

[@colorblind1983]

Nice. I like the $6 dollar drivers on partsexpress buyout. Not nearly as nice as the driver you showed but for the monies I love them

[@RobotUnderground]

Yeah, I bought a ton of those $5 ones that they used in their 2 way bookshelf speakers. The lone driver was $5 shipped!!! I paired them up with cheap tweeters and sold them as the HardTimes components.

[@colorblind1983]

@@RobotUnderground I remember them being under $5!

[@larrygaines7462]

The die cast 8's are great , I use them 70hz to 800hz and sealed enclosure 😮

[@SDS-1]

I don't see the 16 ohm silver flutes listed anymore. I've been wanting to parallel them down and do door panels.

[@RobotUnderground]

Just series the 4 ohm versions

[@SDS-1]

@@RobotUnderground thought about that too.

[@powercone486]

Wise words from obi wan. I appreciate all your woofer advice and knowledge. From one bass head to another, good work man.

[@RobotUnderground]

Thanks for watching

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

Any showcase of these in cabinets with a tweeter?

[@RobotUnderground]

Meh, cabinets are as varied as your imagination. I have my GONZO tweeters in a pair I made for my wife when I was in Hawaii in the 90's. She uses them for her desktop. African mahogany veneer on MDF. There was only one guy on the island that was doing it and I did an install for him and he gave me lots of scraps to play with. That's about as fancy as I got before I was like, "This is work for a professional", and realized that I can make more money selling to then pay a pro to do it. My design of course. Sheeeeeiiiit, I don't even do my own CAD work.

[@JoelHernandez-tz3vk]

@@RobotUnderground but then again I realize i dont know how accurate the provided T/S parameters are. Since at least the ones measured by Zaph Audio, seem to greatly differ from the provided parameters. And to my understanding, if you don't know the T/S parameters, then designing a cabinet is a shot in the dark. Heck, I think most DIYers recommend.

[@RobotUnderground]

@@JoelHernandez-tz3vk Actually no. TSP's are just a guide. It depends on many factors. Tell us what you're trying to do.

[@lukepankau]

what are the empire drivers ? link please

[@RobotUnderground]

Mpyre. A beautiful carbon fiber version of the Adire Extremis drivers. www.diymobileaudio.com/threads/sold-mpyre-65m-midbass.431722/

[@hispls]

@@RobotUnderground Are those still in production? I had a set for many years and they were really great especially for the price. Wish I had bought more back when I found them.

[@RobotUnderground]

@@hispls No. I seem to have the last stash and I sell them for $280 per pair shipped.

[@hispls]

@@RobotUnderground Could someone make a production run on those today in China for a reasonable cost? I own some of the currently available XBL^2 midbass woofers but the big honking ferrite magnet makes them a bit ungainly mounting. Also I texted you a week back about some 12 and 15" frames and a 3hp coil. I don't want to be a bug about this if you're super busy but I could still use them whenever you have time.

[@RobotUnderground]

@@hispls When you text me, make sure you give me your name and shipping address so I can add you to my contacts. If you're not in my contacts, you're not important. 6023126504

[@SDS-1]

I've like mcm and madisound

[@ubacow7109]

Its a good woofer but i dont think it competes w/ the Epique w/ only 1.5mm xmax...... They both serve 2 diff use cases ~

[@RobotUnderground]

Well for only $40 you can try it out yourself

[@johnalenwork53]

LOL. LOVE DAYTON 4” DRIVERS!!!!

[@RobotUnderground]

Post the link

[@matt6951]

What’s a good budget 15”? say, less than $400?

[@RobotUnderground]

Quad stack 15". I'll do one for $375 shipped.

[@matt6951]

@@RobotUnderground got any videos of something like that? Specs?

[@RobotUnderground]

@@matt6951 Like this but a 15", instagram.com/p/CRcy6Bhsp3M/

[@RobotUnderground]

lil rough but a champ, instagram.com/p/CTUfKNcFDAp/

[@linandy1]

i will buy one

[@RobotUnderground]

Report back when you got them setup.

[@annihilationindustries1990]

I tried 6 times to use my card to order them and it wont go through 😂

[@RobotUnderground]

That card is only good on PornHub.

[@annihilationindustries1990]

No it locked up my account because it was sensing fraud. Ill stick with parts express that i can call and talk to a real person @@RobotUnderground

[@emmet7208]

Sounds like most of your experience is in car audio.

[@RobotUnderground]

Yes it is. After I mastered home and PA of course. Those are pretty easy and straightforward. Different goals but if you study the work of the masters, it becomes obvious.

[@balisongsnbeats.9219]

You can just see a new product without extreme jealousy? Come on pat.

[@RobotUnderground]

My jealousy is always mild and comes out with sarcasm

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[@briansouth9325]

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[@RobotUnderground]

Cops!

[@lee28.78]

I never liked them the ones I had blew way too easy,, ohwell .💩✌

[@RobotUnderground]

Killing a sub only has one culprit. YOU.

[@allmotorhash]

Black coils and huge magnets prevent that tho right ?

[@RobotUnderground]

@@allmotorhash Color of the coil doesn't matter.

[@allmotorhash]

@@RobotUnderground that black jizz that sundown uses on coils resist higher temps?

[@RobotUnderground]

@@allmotorhash Nope. 500F is all anything gets. Remember, 500F is when the epoxy on the magnets gives up.

[@MARVELOUDIO]

FARNELL !!!

[@C-man553]

Language.

[@RobotUnderground]

Can't hear you. I got jizz in my ears

[@C-man553]

@@RobotUnderground Spelling. jAzz.

[@johannjohann6523]

I try to like Parts Express, especially since they are an Ohio company, and not far from me. They carry alot of inventory, and usually have what you want in stock. But at the same time, much of their stuff (drivers) are "copycat" or Chinese black market products - to me anyway. Yet there is not much of a discount. Probably because there is not alot of competition in their market.Now Madisound, I want to like too. Actually I have no choice as it is my goal to do a speaker build with some SB Audience drivers, and Madisound is the ONLY U.S. distributor. But I've talked to them, and asked some very pertinent info regarding some of the products they carry, and got alot of "audiophile BS" that my questions were "subjective" - and there really isn't a single answer?? For frequency response of a driver and wattage (RMS)? But they do have alot of DIY help, and carry quality components. I just hate when people talk down to you, when really you should be treated like a customer, and they have a sense of urgency to land a sale, and get a new customer (I'm not just a lover of the music, I'm also a musician so yeah I have better understanding of stereo equipment than the average person. Yet was treated rudely.) It really didn't seem like they wanted to sell me the product I asked about. And ultimately I didn't purchase it out of spite. Hopefully, my next dealings with Madisound is with a different employee/owner and things go more smoothly. Thanks for the video!

[@RobotUnderground]

Sounds like your expectations are too high. Sometimes the best way to learn is just to buy something and try it out for yourself.

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