For Honor - **OUTDATED** Shugoki Parry and Guardbreak Punishes

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#MaxPunish

[@sandguyman]

*frames have left the chat*

[@csquared4538]

Every like on this video brings you 1 small step closer to your teammates not interrupting your punishes!

[@angelmin8819]

Demon's embrace can be interrupted. But there's something that works better than Demon's Embrace. WAGA SHUUUUUUUUUU ni ari

[@MyLungsStillBurn]

@@angelmin8819 espiaclly on stuff like high fort and C on temple garden

[@timmi4761]

Some people will never learn..

[@mebastianazzarota1812]

There seem to be some fps drops at some points of the video other than that perfect video as usual

[@Commander_Spyke]

I'd say the rework is a success. He feels like a completely different character now, and that's a good thing honestly.

[@NunyaBijinesu]

It is with the only caveat of dodge-rolling not only avoiding all of his mix-ups, but also giving a punish if you dodge-roll away from a Demon's Embrace. Every character needs a roll chaser like Valiant Breakthrough, or dodge-roll/unlock-roll needs to be nerfed, it's by far too safe to use, a "Get out of jail free" card against most heroes.

[@troenie4391]

@@NunyaBijinesu Yeah make Warden even stronger

[@stevenlucmai3497]

Memelord Extraordinaire Literally Shugoki has nothing catch against dodge rollers There is a timing to dodge roll the Demon Embrace as well Had a match with a warden who just rolled and ran in a circle until his teammates came Even Shugoki’s new zone with is better at tracking can’t do anything

[@NunyaBijinesu]

@@troenie4391 So the only 2 options that come to your brain are "Either we nerf dodge roll and make warden OP with it or we keep dodge roll and have a counter to warden"? Have you ever considered that they could change warden to not require dodge-roll as counterplay?

[@troenie4391]

@@NunyaBijinesu That's what I mean. They can just change him to play differently then just bash spam all the time

[@longdongofthelaw1034]

As a note, OOS punishes net you an execution if the charged heavy kills, with OOS throw in top guard needing a slight delay on either attack to get the execution timing. And OOS parry can get a zone into an immediately soft feinted demon's embrace if for some reason the heal and stamina regen is better than raw damage in that situation

[@zachariz1490]

LongDongOfTheLaw i think you can charge guard to guarantee the execution without having to learn the exact timing

[@thornbush8295]

I can see the DE OOS throw punish being fairly used honestly, if you factor in the healing its technically a bigger health swing than light to charged heavy with 65 instead of 60. The refill of your stamina bar is what I think is most important though, it allows you to continue to apply your OOS pressure even after your punish, which is something most characters don't have the stamina for. The ability to go for even one more additional Oni charge can definitely win you out a round.

[@bumblebeeman2103]

actually, it's not that good. don't know if it's a bug or my timing is off but sometimes I don't catch player while they stand up, instead, it gives me the unblockable icon on them and I bounce off. usually happens with orochis

[@fkkfreeze]

Oh no, the weird standup animation of orochi might strike again.

[@cksupreme]

I was just about to comment this. Thanks for bringing this up so more people could see it, m8! :)

[@dariuslloyd]

If a wall is close, and the opponent guard is in top or left, you can confirm a heavy attack from the direction the demon ball leaves your guard (just buffer a heavy without changing guard basically.) That's 55 damage.

[@brodinsmith6810]

If they’re OOS just throw behind, every light is guaranteed then

[@doomcow99]

you can also just throw top as it always hits

[@PepsiSpriteLight]

If you throw behind, side light into top unblockable does not let the opponent stumble

[@cerdi_99]

Now this is what i was waiting for

[@chrispucko1845]

very good mixups i am a rep 3 shuhoki main and these are over powered

[@jcstephens0213]

Hey freeze, idk your opinion on the DE being interruptible since you didn't say at the end of the video, but I honestly like it. It punishes teams who just throw attacks without thinking when they see a teammate pin an enemy. Its far less frustrating when I die to a team attack when they are at least being strategic and not brain dead. But I want to know, if you like the change do you think that shinobi's sickle rain should have the same change? I personally think so. A good shinobi can have you pinned for what feels like an eternity if he delays the stabs while his team pummels you

[@garbagez0ne74]

I would very much love this rework if he still had his passive armor. Without shugoki absorbing an unblockable from his armor he just gets bashed to death or bashed out of his strings.

[@FunionBunion]

I didnt know about that light into heavy oos punish thanks that will be helpful

[@chrisj403]

There's nothing more satisfying than being a tag team of shugokis, it's euphoric to get a demons embrace and have them time a charged top heavy and vice versa.

[@lyone1885]

Are you gonna do a Updated Warlord Punishes Video since the one a month ago was "pre-reworked" Warlord.

[@snowblack90]

Thank you for everything

[@saber5785]

Doing God’s work my man 👌🏻

[@bruuldor9947]

I enjoyed this slideshow

[@pihipukki]

about feats with the shugoki you should use either the longer throws or speed revive second feat should be the one that makes you not able to fall over with normal throws or parries third should be punch through or the one with lower the health equals more defence and last one should be the heavys make nearby enemies and allies fall over for that one can punish in ganking or 1v1 situations quite heavily

[@mantrata4688]

Project Lawbringer is what I want freeze *_REEE_*

[@doomcow99]

Freeze the OOS throw top light always hit so always light top then charged heavy.

[@ayyalfi3]

If you throw someone while they are out of stam can you get a zone + heavy?

[@thatguyyouhate3743]

What causes people to get up quicker on knockdowns? I’ve noticed that some punishes cause enemies to get up quicker after knocking them down if you mess them up, but why does it happen?

[@PinkPrior]

I love this channel!!!!

[@fkkfreeze]

🤗

[@nicoblasss]

If you are close enough to the wall after the demon ball, and you throw a heavy without changing guard, and the oponent is not blocking that side or is an assassin, the heavy is confirmed too. Which is kindda ridiculous xD.

[@schnibist]

I hoped to see the optimal punishes from his tier 4 knockdown feat

[@JoyridePinks]

Onii-charge

[@user-gw9bm2ky3v]

His charged heavy is way more insane with morale booster lol, guess I'm just gonna switch to MB from the shield for my BP

[@poke_1879]

More like proyect light attack lmao (Guess who wants to buy there...)

[@Catchdown]

Does shugoki Demon's Ball confirm Longbow for 75 damage? I've used it like 10 times and nobody dodged it yet but but i haven't done any real tests yet. I'd also like you to explore the punishes with his tier 4 knockdown feat(the only useful feat he has anyway). Usually it's a heavy #2 for 35 damage but sometimes it feels like you can get a charged heavy?

[@bluf1543]

you can get a charged heary from it. I do it all the time

[@tristenpina3850]

I'm still not big on his design but he does look like much for fun to play now.

[@divinEKonstanT]

On console the lights are too safe, i feel that giving him hyper armor and heavy property is a little too much for a 500 ms chain start. On top of that it seems that if you dont parry the wakeup light after demons embrace the headbutt is guaranteed, punishes for dodging the headbutt are also a bit too weak. Other than that i think the rework is executed well. good video btw

[@Alvl9Giraffe]

Yeah if project orochi was project just the knight faction omg I’d impulse buy so much merch

[@alexanderzabroski5185]

would the "throw farther" feat guarantee a charged heavy with correct distance?

[@bynkmnoz6891]

You'll whiff, so do DE

[@VentaHack]

Just a question for you kind folks especially those Shugoki mains. Did his OOS Parry Punish got nerfed? I cant seem to do a top guard parry into a top heavy and to top heavy unblockable? Is there any patch notes that is related to this? I really need to know. I did not charge the heavy for the first swing and I have tested this multiple times.

[@GeneralForster]

Yes, all knockdown punishes got nerfed in the Black Prior's Riposte event patch. Any move slower than 700ms (Shugoki's starter heavies are 800) will now cause a wake-up. Best OOS parry punish now is light or zone into charged heavy.

[@jordangentsch9868]

On oos parry you get 2 heavies on some characters for 65 damage

[@largenut971]

he seems strong now but they got rid of the DWAAAAAAA on hug kill so hes definitely been nerfed

[@Criiies]

Does the put of stam parry punish not work for him anymore? Can't get the chain charged heavy to land. The enemy always gets up too fast.

[@fkkfreeze]

it was changed yesterday. all your oos punishes are light into charged top heavy now

[@Criiies]

@@fkkfreeze ahh, thanks, I thought I was going crazy. Fortunately zone into top heavy still works to squeeze in an extra 5 damage

[@marco20k65]

They need a shugoki shirt then I’m buying

[@martinhavlicek4011]

Helpful

[@eainjones9509]

The only thing I dislike about shugokis rework is his roar. When you killed with demons embrace he would scream "DWOOOOAAA" and everyone in the whole match could hear it. Now he just makes the same sound he makes when he dies to fall damage.

[@eainjones9509]

"Aaaaah"

[@alexxswx]

If I'm not mistaken his oni charge also unbalances opponent if shugoki is in revenge

[@dogwater5499]

And when the opponent is oos

[@PepsiSpriteLight]

If you do the Demon Ball into a wall you get a free side heavy (left) if the opponent does not have their guard on the left. The Oos parry punish is actually pretty simple: -Parry right -> left heavy into top unblockable -Parry left -> right heavy into top unblockable -Parry top -> top heavy into top unblockable -You'll get a Demon's Embrace if you throw a zone attack after a parry (direction doesn't matter) into Demon's Embrace Oh and the throw punish (to be completely sure) always top light into Demon's Embrace. Throw direction doesn't matter.

[@fkkfreeze]

changing guard after a parry does absolutely nothing. there is no delay whatsoever, so it doesn't help with timings at all.

[@PepsiSpriteLight]

@@fkkfreeze The opponent always stumbles for me if I change guard after parry

[@fkkfreeze]

if it works for you, keep doing it, but it does nothing ;)

[@Criiies]

Does the put of stam parry punish still work for you after this recent update? My opponent always stands up too fast to get the top unblockable

[@PepsiSpriteLight]

@@Criiies It doesn't Only zone into top unblockable or light into top unblockable

[@boshtillings9254]

funny thing is i often find things that freeze misses and put them in the comments but i have nothing to say this time he actually got everything

[@IEmbrazeI]

U get a zone and a charged heavy on an oos throw @freeze

[@illusions500]

where is that nobushi UPDATED max punish guide? 4 seasons late man :(

[@getderpified1402]

Hey Freeze, i've gotten a fully charged up unblockable on wallsplats. You sure it's impossible? Maybe my opponents were just bad. Din't see any guards popping up when i was trying it, but when i look at yours i can clearly see their guard. This got me mighty confused.

[@goose886]

Was it in 4v4? Might be the far throw passive 1

[@getderpified1402]

@@goose886 nope, 1v1

[@phantomkiller2847]

@@getderpified1402 Judging from the animation, it's a tight window, so not everyone will do it successfully.

[@getderpified1402]

@@phantomkiller2847 I guess, I've done it consistently everytime I got the range

[@puretestosterone9614]

Warlord next?

[@Opsraw]

Your video was laggy freeze (exemple: 2:51) Still awesome content tho!

[@itairosenmann5382]

Are you going to redo characters which your videos are invalid for?

[@csquared4538]

I think he's already in the process of this. Unfortunately he did warlord right before his tweaks but I'd like to know what changed there.

[@darkogains9625]

Max punish. Soft feint soft feint soft feint soft feint Demons embrace. All I've been dealing with.

[@garbagez0ne74]

They did make him braindead to use.

[@darkogains9625]

@@garbagez0ne74 right. If you can soft feint to demons embrace you're already winning easy in ganks. Its fuckin stupid.

[@ketaminewomble2562]

It’s the most reactable shit in the game.....ever thought it’s a case of you just needing to get used to it or get better in general?

[@darkogains9625]

@@ketaminewomble2562 how about when I'm fighting 3 people on all sides and this dudes in the back throwing the shit and I cant dodge in either direction because said people are standing there...cant fuckin do anything about it dude. I dont play duels but rarely. I known its reactable. In ganks hes fuckin anoyying.

[@darkogains9625]

And no where in my above comment did I say I was having a rough time dealing with him. He just throws it all the time.

[@apnminer5568]

why game is so laggy this days?

[@user-zw2ob8fq9x]

Shugoki neither is broken nor bad, he’s good, but I believe he needs a little buff 😅

[@angelmin8819]

1. SPRINT ATTACK

[@Filthipino]

Shugoki main here. And lemme tell you. Playing shugoki with randoms is the worst thing ever. He was usefull on 4v4s pre rework because of the armor for demons embrace. But now I can never land one without people throwing random heavies. I find myself using the headbutt in ganks more which is better than trying to get a demons embrace in. And is it just me or did they nerf his damage too?

[@bluf1543]

Shugoki got a huge damage nerf to his heavy attacks. I noticed he does not metion zone attack into demon embrace as a punish when you do an oos parry

[@bumblebeeman2103]

well he sure as shit ain't broken

[@kaiser2519]

Ist kity:D

[@evansinger8180]

Some ppl say its broken)) Prior: 1 have 20dm ShB which safe in 95% (even Shaman cant panish it) 2 fast access to unblockable (that ppl cant react cous it can be ShB or zone) 3 all 400mc is garbage vs prior thx bulrog 4 strong light bush light (35 dm) or light bush heavy (55 dm) 5 easy to do crushing counter with 40 dm )) And all playing prior now...all saying - i love the way he looks like)) All happy! So ppl who sayed that Goki is broken....is rep 10 maybe)

[@solidsundowner615]

Can you say it again but in English?

[@Boot550]

Im not sure if you will see this freeze but your information at 6:07 "This means that you get exactly one attack of your teammates demons embrace" is slightly wrong You can get two heavies off your opponents demons embrace, its just your timing has to be frame perfect. www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/aq099k/you_can_get_two_heavy_attacks_off_of_one_demons/ From u/Kaiayos "First off, I want to thank Presmo and EPGKIN for helping me test this. I also want to thank Adamiak who first showed this bug to me. And thank you to Otto and Yoseii as well, who helped me with further testing. You need to time your first heavy attack so that it lands at the same time as the demon's embrace deals damage. The timing required to perform this is pretty much frame perfect, as even small deviations from the timing would cause it to fail. There is no damage mitigation for any of the attacks. This works with any character against any character."

[@fkkfreeze]

ye I've seen Kaia's post. I didn't know it was possible.

[@Boot550]

@@fkkfreeze It seems very hard to pull off. Keep up the videos. Your content is amazing.

[@ravingmadman3]

I would buy the merch if it where more full imaged and stylish. Its kinda weak

[@HarpoNuke98]

WHAT? Really some ppl thinks that the rework is bad?!

[@TheIvangallo]

Max punish for the Shugoki is easy Step 1.soft faint heavy unblockable into demons embrace Step 2. Repeat “Step 1” Step 3.???? Step 4. Steel

[@Scipion-kp4dh]

When are you gonna do pk's max punish? As I saw with my pk my side heavys are faster and well... the throw distance got nerfed, oh and she doesnt get a too heavy on thow to wall or at least i couldn't make it... great more pk nerfs

[@Archangelz547]

Looks like some salt in the chat at the end of the video. T H I C C boi rules all.

[@dracolerro2592]

MOGER yep my shugo was bullied far too long... time to squeeze the life out of some salty warden mains lol

[@lorddem1659]

So this is what you were recording when you had that thing open you shouldn't have open when recording...

[@fkkfreeze]

who to blame... 🤔

[@lorddem1659]

@@fkkfreeze 😱

[@michalangelo943]

4:43 75 dmg and lost only 15 % stamina nice

[@prosniperism]

I'm waiting for Orochi to get sued for selling mercy that most likely was not permitted by the actual game company's

[@danielpinsker6826]

I seriously doubt that they can get sued since they're not actually using any trademarked images or slogans

[@prosniperism]

@@danielpinsker6826 Trust me big businesses can fuck over anyone it just takes them a second to find a way

[@alexreconquista7293]

The new Shugoki may have gained a little buff overall. But every single thing that made him FUN to play, got BUTCHERED/DELETED. FUCK THIS REWORK...

[@Shakedown1969]

I would definitely buy the clothes if there wasnt the text of the name of the moves

[@ketaminewomble2562]

People who call him broken just can’t seem to accept they’re bad at the game

[@vermithor7002]

Sekiro!

[@heccmcgee4352]

Tfw the for honor community hates orochi but will buy hus websites clothes 🤔

[@Duckonquack-or6uu]

This is very outdated now

[@nyamedevries783]

Oh wow, i can’t wait for Limb Legion to talk shit about every single casual comment in this comment section!!

[@EmptyTenementSpirit]

You rang? Don't say dumb shit and it makes my job significantly easier. :)

[@connor-ry7pn]

Am i the 1 view?

[@10pcWings]

Lol I was wondering the same thing

[@winternine6888]

First?

[@z00ko]

If you complain about shugo you’re trash. Learn positioning and stop being such offense heavy and learn to counter characters. Offense only can’t be the way you win.

[@AlexHyena-dv4mb]

I think they made shugoki worse. Reduced damage, reduced ability to trade, predictable af, easily punished.

[@alexanderzabroski5185]

the only real reduction to his trading abilities are gb'ing with passive HA and negating bashes. I think he should beat bashes in certain situations (especially a toestab or warlord headbutt) but passive armor hurt the shugoki more often then not. he needed the damage reduction (could be minor tweaks, a neutral top heavy should do more) as he got many more options to land those attacks and speeds were increased. Shugoki was predictable for the longest time, now he has mix-up potential. the only really punishable move is demons embrace, besides that his recovery on whiffed charged heavies is way better and the headbutt is pretty safe against anyone but raider. this was a great rework

[@DimwitDangerous]

He's only predictable if he does the same stuff I've seen some strong gokis out there

[@TheFilipFonky]

Has it been enough time since the changes to know how Shugoki is now, in the grand scheme of things? At first sight I'd say he's been nerfed, am I right in this?

[@theogillan5510]

Not even close lol he is way stronger now

[@Mr.Ford3350]

He is much stronger, thankfully. All of his options make him more effective and more interesting to play as, and more fun to fight against.

[@dracolerro2592]

Mr. Ford not to forget it is so satisfying to hug and opponent lol.... full stamina and some health is really great even through damage wise it could go up to 30 dmg in my opinion

[@markuscaesar670]

Just boost his damage up some across the heavy-charged heavy-Demon’s Embrace board (hell, give him some extra damage on light would be nice, considering Jiang Jun has 400ms 20dmg lights) and make the headbutt ACTUALLY stun the opponent when hit, and I think we’ll be in business. As it stands right now tho, this rework is all of those things short of being good

[@Am4t3r4su]

@@markuscaesar670 you cant just boost his damage. They lowered it because he got much easier mix ups to get in damage now. Keeping his old damage would have made him crazy. JJ does have some hard hitting lights but remember his only 400 ms light is on a highly predictable soft feint as well. Shugo is in a great spot overall. Some small changes to his animations perhaps and MAYBE some small damage tweaks.. who can know lol

[@Lovelykochi]

Orochi LOL I suppose they’re targeting the console community then