For Honor Rant - Raider Rework and the Community

Every single season the same thing.
Instead of adapting, people whine.
I really don't understand it. The community demands changes, but no matter what happens, they're never happy.
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[@propastypete1958]

It's weird to see the usually calm Freeze flip his shit. I like it.

[@propastypete1958]

Also, I totally agree with what you're saying. Even if Raider is the most monstrous character in the game, people don't seem to9 want to even try to overcome him. Not to do with Raider, but I think the point still stands, I remember day one of season ten, I had a rep 67 warden, rep 100 overall, complain that Hitokiri is the most overpowered character in the game because she has 500 ms lights, and if she dodges Warden's bash "it's all over". The character had just come out, and already 500ms lights are being complained about. Hell, 500ms is like the goldilocks of light attacks, not 400ms unreactable, not 600ms parry bait.

[@ceaserkiwi2023]

@@propastypete1958 I wanna say your joking but unfortunately i believe this actually happened.

[@zapansmorg]

To be honest i totaly dislike it. I prefer the calm Freeze over the ranting one. I just cant take ranting people seriously...

[@propastypete1958]

@@ceaserkiwi2023 I was as shocked as you were, believe me.

[@yungmalaria]

Spike Warden player explained it all to me, I do feel bad for the warden players who legitimately know how to use their moveset and aren’t bad at the game. I just can’t associate warden with anything else than just a massive retard, it’s like the fallen knight armor from DS3.

[@navis9802]

It’s not a fookin guard break . I haven’t heard a FOOK since the setmyx video ♥️

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

@landon thetford "Fooking laser sights!"

[@ribriddler8114]

Petition to repalce "Fuck" with "FOOK!"?

[@drunkenskeleton299]

Raider: *spams stunning tap* Me, an LB: *laughs in 50dmg parry punish*

[@OberonKin]

Me, a JJ: Laughs in dodge attack

[@moonki6688]

@@OberonKin tiandi wants to know your location

[@yungmalaria]

God imagine you try to open with your 1 direction softfeint but LB exists honestly this is why I can’t get behind lower stun tap damage when shit like this exists. I’m actually so tilted that nobody talks about LB punishes

[@blackblack1167]

yung malaria Parrying too dibbicult

[@cjvo007]

Me a warden: laughs in crushing counter

[@ondrapospisilcz]

I agree, but stunning tap shouldn't be taking 75% of stamina

[@BlushingPico144]

Why? If they parry it can be a 50 damage mistake for the raider depending on the enemy

[@dragonic22]

Raider has the potential to get a free heavy if your fishing for the ST. 75% stamina is too much for an attack that stuns, does 18dmg and can be done of a heavy soft feint, an unblockable soft feint and a dodge

[@BlushingPico144]

@@dragonic22 Key word is potential not confimed, an that is only if they get then ST which if people stop falling for the soft feint everytime an not adapting they won't have issue's so learn to adapt

[@dragonic22]

jordan cannon` ST gets you so much of you land it. 18dmg, stun AND 75% stamina damage. All because the opponent guessed wrong. It’s not adapting. It’s guessing. The Raider could just not go for ST and he’d win cos now your getting hit by zone and regular 35dmg heavies

[@BlushingPico144]

@@dragonic22 They have a mininium cancle window if you dont see the feint then go for the side parry if not keep your guard topside its that easy your basically saying that you don't like that raider has options an want him to be linear an easy to read so that you don't get hit with something? Doesn't work like that if it did you'd find half the upper tier of the community quiting because mechanics are being dumped down to cater to the un-willing horde of players not ready to learn more than light attack, light attack an to finish light attack if ive taken the time to learn more than just my own character an beat you with feints ect then I deserve the win, an at this point couldn't careless that the mindless majority ain't happy with raider im made up that light spam trash characters get wooped with raiders new armoured 2nd an 3rd heavies feels great.. oh an the occasional stunning tap just to let them know how annoying their light spam truly is

[@lohfahdelity]

”All you'd have to do is block the stunning tap” Me as raider: *laughs in 40 damage hyper armor heavy*

[@danielk.3144]

Malay Beatz bro bro bro, it works now but won’t later

[@sloppyjallopy5471]

Me laughs as raider gets nerf

[@MiquShiro]

yeah raider pretty much only needed hyper armor and faster lights (also the soft feint gb) to be a good hero but ubi over shot by a lot imo

[@bunnybunowo5967]

Stun tap? Me a hitokiri main: *Laugh in 50/50 with fast hyper armor*

[@thergt8958]

Shugoki I wish

[@casperprime]

Just take away stunning tap's stamina drain. It's a STUNNING tap, why does it just delete 80% of your stamina bar?

[@leatherbolt825]

Casper Casteels why does kai depletes stamina when they’re just screaming at you? So many inconsistencies in this game. But what do I know I’m a console pleb😢😢😢

[@jesseeastman5913]

This is probably the only reasonable change I could agree with. And making the spin throw not drain stamina. Other than that I think they should leave him alone.

[@Carsu12]

@@leatherbolt825 that's kinda irrelevant to the argument...

[@DaUber30k]

Kia is a feat. Stunning Tap is a tool. Same use, but two very different things.

[@bulwark7840]

I still dont understand how raider carrying me a 260kg or more shugoki tires me more than him

[@rajiikha]

I think this game need more buff for shitty hero than nerf for the good ones

[@Tacticaviator7]

That is exactly what ubi is doing, but community is like nerf plz

[@jimmyjams5038]

Raider got a good buff, I just wish lawbringer did. He's better now but his rework wasn't that great considering raider was already good and just got better. Lawbringer went from shit to usable.

[@andersonguimaraesmaia3957]

As long as they do that i have no problem with raider

[@AliZurix]

Part of the reason why people are mad is because both lawbringer and raider got their reworks in one update and even a blind man can see that they gave raider way bigger of a buff than lawbringer. It just doesn't make any sense

[@abuzeyr]

I get obliterated with my nobu with these powerful heros

[@thebionicpenguin9565]

Freeze paid by ubi? Nope. The reson why raider is so "broken" is because freeze is the lead character desinger at ubi. Get your facts right please ;)

[@nano3735]

Wait for real? I didnt know this so, thats really cool then

[@nano3735]

@@fl4135 ?

[@TheRoundedTable]

@@nano3735 tis a joke. He would loose a lot of credibility if that was the case

[@nano3735]

Ah, ok

[@fl4135]

@@nano3735 yeah m8 he don't actually work for ubsisoft lol

[@prodbydilly]

I see that freeze is actually enjoying the flashbang simulator tho

[@sailemartini5902]

Devlin Trimble appears to not know how to block. Here’s a tip: just keep guard on top and react to the side heavies. Ever thought of that, fella? Well now you don’t have to.

[@XcocomocoX]

Saïle Martini Jesus Christ get that stick out of your ass, here’s a tip; don’t be a dumbass and forget about assassins who have a reflex guard

[@prodbydilly]

Saïle Martini appears to not know what a joke is, here's a tip, keep an open mind and realize everything isn't so serious, ever thought of that? well now you don't have to.

[@TheOneYouCantBEAR]

everyone replying: angery as fuk*

[@XcocomocoX]

TeedyD3 here lol

[@blackstab3913]

Let's be practical. What's the point of stunning tap? Having a mixup, that allows you to continue on a stronger offense, by removing your guard to the opponent. The stamina sap is an overload of a feature. It adds absolutely nothing to the Raider's offense, but it negates the opponent's own offense, by preventing him to do almost anything without going OOS, while Raider has already an solid OOS pressure. The hyperarmored heavy that comes after is enough, as it can trade into dodge attacks for a winning trade, soft feint gb, or Stunning Tap for more mixup potential. Now that he has faster lights, I'd say lights after stunning tap are pretty safe, heavies can be soft feinted... I'm even okay with it being somewhat 400 ms, if we lose the stamina sap and maybe tune down the dmg to 15/16. It would still do its job, which is adding mixup and helping offense getting going. I think the reason reactions are so emotionnal is because of Ubi's pace of updates. Frankly if they release anything overpowered or just extremely frustrating in League of Legends, well, if it's too much, it's gonna be patched the day after, or worst case in two weeks. When Ubi releases anything, it's sticking for months, sometimes years before anything is done. While we all should take the time to learn new heroes and reworks (and that also means losing to them), updates are just too few, too small and it creates a big power creep. In theory, no game should have S tier, the ideal would be only A and B tiers across the whole cast. Leave Raider like this, I don't care, but take care of the rest. Centurion is a mess, Aramusha is funny/sad, PK/Orochi/Glad have zero room to work with.

[@tendericed2749]

I‘d be happier with 13 damage

[@BlushingPico144]

Finally, someone who understand's ubi's logic.. They can only update so much each season an because raider has had the new buffs which fall in line with more aggresive plays an other heroes ain't they want him nerfed but they should realise the other heroes will more than likely have future changes that effect the community in the same way as raider has, it always does..

[@patrykkaczmarski6920]

You people rely to much on unblockable bullshit xd "PK/Orochi/Glad have zero room to work with. " Yo fokin serious m8? I can do more mixups with all of them except PK than you have hairs on ur head

[@mattL---]

Desu MB2 lol pk orochi and glad will get fuckin waxed nowadays. What are you on about? I had to stop using orochi because he literally has nothing now. Hell, even raider has orochi speed lights now. he also has 400 ms stunning tap and hyper armor. All assassins besides zerk could use a change.

[@GhostDrewSenju]

Preaching the truth

[@wellingtonmcskellington4833]

I think the main issue most people have with raider is that his moves are just too punishing. Losing 75% of your stamina is pretty harsh for an almost unreactable attack, not to mention the damage on his heavies.

[@lmichaell6879]

he just said that it is reactable...

[@bofferpuf7616]

@@lmichaell6879 and he said almost unreactable

[@bulwark7840]

lMichaell for someone who plays both on console and on PC i can tell you that it is very much unreactable on console

[@lmichaell6879]

@@bofferpuf7616 there are worlds apart between almost unreactable and reactable

[@lmichaell6879]

@@bulwark7840 im playing on console by myself u just have to expect it and react accordingly

[@nopegineer3173]

I’m fine with his new offense but I can’t seem to understand two of their design choices: 1. Why did they keep dodge gb? It feels like they wanted to go for an offensive hero which is good so why keep a purely defensive move? 2. Why did they buff his damage numbers? I’ve never seen a single person complaining about low damage on raider, he really didn’t need that. Other than that, he’s fine, just need to get used to his new timings.

[@1999deshan]

Yeah the change on his zone in a combo from 28 to 50 was overboard and was a big unnecessary buff ...also raider got a shit load of hyper armour and they clearly gave raider alot of attention and neglected lawbringer

[@Just_a_Danish_viking]

That buffed he's damages because nobody just he's heavy chain because you only wanted the frist heavy. The rest of the heavy chain was shit. So that buffed the damage and give him hyper armour so the heavy chain was actually a good

[@WillowMelody]

@@1999deshan Combo zone always did 50.

[@1999deshan]

@@Just_a_Danish_viking so why did they not give LB a good heavy chain with hyper armour and soft feint GB if they care about raider so much

[@1999deshan]

@@WillowMelody no it did 28 actually

[@lux6230]

Don't get me wrong, I love raider now. I main lawbringer, but after his lackluster rework, I just tried out my pathetic rep 2 raider. He. Is. AMAZING. Two types of dodge attacks that have variable timings and amazing follow-ups, heavies that deal massive damage with hyper armor, a softfeint gb and light on every heavy and zone, the list goes on and on. Ubi has blessed him with a powerful rework. Yet, there's something off about him. You say that people are overreacting to things they don't understand or haven't learned, but the majority of the people voicing their problems had little to no problems with the recent new heroes or reworks. I think it's very unfair of you to discredit any opposition to raider as "people who just give up". Raider, I believe, has taken the spot that pk, cent, and shaman left open: a true meta character. I mean, come on, he has AMAZING tools that can shut down nearly any offense. The most notorious being his dodge gb which can be mixed up with his stunning tap. His punishes are great, and he can just completely oos his opponents and feed them heavies if he can get into their heads. The thing is, no character is up to par with him now. Hell, the only characters' kits I see standing up to raider are some S tier ones. He's an absolute powerhouse, and he faces the same problem that pk, cent, and shaman faced. His tools tilt the balance so much into his favor, and saying that "you just have to adapt" is like saying don't get parried or guard broken by season 2 cent. Why play anyone else if you could play on easy mode?

[@ceaserkiwi2023]

Very well put good sir.

[@FractionsofInfinity895]

Fluffy Lynx if you think raider is easy mode then raider isn’t the problem in this situation

[@Shyvangles]

@@FractionsofInfinity895 are you going to further explain your point or are you just going to chime in for the sake of it? lmao

[@toxiclollipop5822]

I’m sure you think like him because he’s so easy to use

[@FractionsofInfinity895]

Shyvangles No single character is an easy mode in a game. We have seen this situation every season every time there was a hero. Shaman, Centurion, Kensei after his rework had a lot of people claiming broken, Beserker still gets hate for his hyper armor. Having tools to be offensive and defensive isn’t called easy mode it’s called options. For honor as well as several other games doesn’t need attacks that are reactable and 400 is very reactable even on console. I’ve played raider 13 reps, kensei 8, Shinobi 8, warden 8, Shaman 7, and Lawbringer 8. Also I played centurion season 8 to rep 8 and he had no offensive capabilities at all. Till this day I can still beat raider he isn’t broken. Saying a character is easy mode just shows you lack of ability to think quickly on the go. The community wants for honor to be competitive but they want everything to be easy and useless. If everything is reactable that’s useless it makes so every light can be parried and every light can be parried at 400 ms. The game is fair and raider isn’t broke it’s just his ability to think and strategize and predict and mix defense with offense and being an overall better player. Why can I be offensive and quickly switch to a defensive play style when my opponent is being stupidly aggressive? I’m not the highest repped with every character but I’ve put in a minimum of 5 reps with almost every single hero and I know enough of their movesets to understand their options and understand the match up + how to fight them. No character is an easy mode, that’s just called having options and when a character has options then he’s going to be great. When characters lack options *coughs violently* Centurion *Coughs violently* that character is then handicapped because they have a gimmick to rely on (I.E demon embrace and wall) which you could counter (roll away from embrace and don’t fight near wall)

[@HellaKaiser]

Here's my point of view: those types of fast moves are not bad for the game. But when half of the heroes don't have access to them, it becomes a problem

[@technobomber928]

Well they can't exactly fucking overhaul the entire roster at once now can they. It's like shaman when she was first released, op at the time but she mellowed out as everyone else was getting buffs and more options in general.

[@technobomber928]

@Shao Kahn you mean weekly content that the community asked for? Yeah they just announced not to long ago that they stopped doing that to make better updates instead of mediocre ones each week. But things still take time to do and test so it will come out quicker but it will still take time.

[@danielk.5864]

@@technobomber928 and now people complain when weekly quest is beginnig to rotate and some are reused

[@technobomber928]

@@danielk.5864 the community need to decide what they want lol

[@RetardTheRetard-ey9zm]

Raider Rework? I could adapt to it. If it didn't eat all my stamina. Nobushi getting nerfed? Hell no.

[@stewartmeehan4537]

Raider spans ST Me as BP: you must love being on your back so much

[@roachisalive2548]

Stewart Meehan you must also love soft feint gb

[@frosty4059]

Roach is Alive How do you soft feint stunning tap? 😂

[@legateelizabeth]

I don't think I've met a community that hates their own game, or thinks so little of it, more than For Honour.

[@PrinceSnowflake]

Honestly I love For Honor, I'll criticize where need be, but hating it for becoming a better game is just dumb.

[@FJaypewpew]

Because the first tournament was won by glitching That kinda sets the mood of the community

[@erogami6459]

you haven't seen dbd then.

[@PrinceSnowflake]

@@FJaypewpew It's been two years, if anyone is still holding that as an arguement point, then they are just finding reasons to hate it.

[@bonefat21]

Call of Duty players absolutely hate Call of Duty.

[@Blue_Ocean720]

"400ms is reactable for most people" *cries in console*

[@wontonnoodles2826]

See’s an orochi on xbox *cries in 30 fps*

[@M0hawk_Mama]

I don't have an issue with 400 ms attacks and I'm on xbox. I do get spammed sometimes but most of the time, I win. Be more aggressive, no GB

[@iturbide77]

Lol, i get the feeling

[@Silentway247]

Even on PC its not, you can react sometimes but no reliably. Sure you can sit and parry lights if you know they are only throwing lights but not when a character mixes up like every normal human being

[@hubee2407]

@@Silentway247 I don't think "sometimes" is a enough when you're at deaths door

[@gavinfitch8406]

His moves are overloaded. He has more options than most and while Ubi is insistent to not give characters options, why should one have more than most others?

[@ChefOfTheDead]

You realize raider was in that position for 9 seasons right? They can’t rework everybody at once.

[@the_viriathus5719]

@Gavin Fitch How about those characters wait in line for their reworks like Raider did for 9 seasons? I know LB mains feel like they’re entitled to the biggest kit in the game (which btw would actually throw a lot of LB mains off cuz the only reason they play him is cuz he’s super easy to understand lmao), but hey, tough shit.

[@gavinfitch8406]

@@the_viriathus5719 Refer to my above comment.

[@doc8140]

because this is how this game and its cast worked for the last 3 years

[@taviontaylor5742]

ChefOfTheDead yeah but now they gave him to much and there’s no actual way to counter him. 33/33/33

[@halojoe21]

Hitting you with a fat disagree on that one, Flashbang feint from any attack+Dodge GB+Unblockables+Hyperarmor+High Damage all in one kit (And all of those readily open within the same combo) is not found anywhere else in the game. He's a be all end all duelist.

[@annurissimo1082]

Yeah, sure, not like you just can't punish all of that...(except the dodge GB) But, for real, I agree maybe nerf his stats and damage output, but nothing else. (Trust me, if someone parries you, you are dead - more less) And btw, I play Raider alot since he is my main, and yet I find Hyper Armor more less useless...Not to mention he doesnt even have a GB or parry punish like Warden ( since his area does less than his heavy) He, in fact, does not even have hyper armor on his area attack. But,this is just my opinion, and 6 seasons of Raider don't matter, don't they?

[@halojoe21]

@@annurissimo1082 Name another hero with all the different utilities in one kit the raider has. That's all I'll leave it at.

[@redrumssam5888]

@@halojoe21 Conqueror

[@halojoe21]

@@redrumssam5888 conq doesnt have disorient on his bash feints and doesnt do 17 damage on them either without a feat. He also doesn't have comparable timing on his unblockables or SB compared to the 400ms top light feint and raider unblockables

[@redrumssam5888]

@@halojoe21 No, but he has the most amount of option selects in the game, and an answer to everything Raider can do. An answer to most heroes tbh. But don't take my word for it, ask any competitive player

[@davikhiin]

I am going to start spamming sb with conqueror, bc i cant mixups anymore so i dont have many tools but sb. And if anybody complain just rewatch the video. Just DodGe, Git GUd NoOB

[@ivanbenja4]

Couldn't agree more. It'll become a competition of S tier characters telling each other to "git gud". Time to dust off my Conq.

[@taviontaylor5742]

That's basically what he's saying and it's a stupid argument

[@davikhiin]

@@MixedReadings i was joking i had never spammed with my main conq i wont do it.

[@ivanbenja4]

@@MixedReadings People abuse anything that gives them even a slight advantage over their opponent. If something is broken/OP, it's not them abusing it to win, it's _"you being bad and not countering"_ If I say Raider lights are too fast, their counter-argument is _"Well just block it"_ even though you can't *punish* by *blocking* If I say Hitokiri players only use HA heavies on any attack reaction and don't bother parrying/blocking/dodging/using mixups, then it's my fault _"I'm not turtling"_

[@arturopacheco89]

I don't mind any changes. But why does everyone need hyperarmor now?

[@thatlemonguy1107]

Arturo Pacheco They’re trying to kill the turtle meta.

[@cliftonsavage7380]

@@thatlemonguy1107 it isn't working

[@legendspug6625]

@@thatlemonguy1107 how does that make sense? Hyperarmor punishes agressive people

[@wyvern5890]

@@legendspug6625 hyper armour stops option selects

[@BattlePro3]

because without hyper armour 90% of the attacks that arent lights will never land because you'll just get hit out of it.

[@PrinceYasuke]

But you just described and agreed with all of the correct complaints. Everything else is just people overreacting and crying like they do every patch. Also I saw you spamming/getting hit with a majority of stunning taps this vid lol

[@debonedoctor290]

Thank God someone pointed that out

[@agbaya5314]

THANK YOU! raider is broken! It’s so annoying! This tap is 400ms and drains our stamina and blinds us

[@patrickmusulin7892]

Learn to block it. Go by animation and not reaction. Because when you only react. You put yourself at a disadvantage. I can't block it most of the time but I know that the only thing Raider can do from Dodge is Guardbreak or tap. From a Heavy, Guardbreak or tap. The Animations are different. And you saw the JJ in the Video just PARRYING those taps.

[@patrickmusulin7892]

I thought Raider was busted too. But no. He is just the Best character to be created. In most ways just being so much better than the rest of the cast. Which is why they need to be updated.

[@PrinceYasuke]

Patrick Musulin don’t worry buddy. He’s already getting the nerf he deserves

[@Zayl1016]

I said this before but stunning tap is just too optimal. One move shouldn't be simultaneously fast, damaging (for a light), quick, damaging stamina, and give a stun effect.

[@fwed7695]

just keep your damn guard up and switch to sides when he doesn't feint his shit, it's that simple

[@thatonecountrythateveryone2118]

Fwed It’s not that simple,what about when he gb’s you or uses his stampede charge to put you into a wall.

[@fwed7695]

@@thatonecountrythateveryone2118 you got hit by something else first thats just the punish, but by itself it's not hard to deal with

[@nothingisbeyondarereach3604]

Freeze: 5:04 Console at 30 FPS: _Are you sure about that ?_

[@technobomber928]

Blocking on console at 30 fps and with all the delays is still able to be done consistently and eventually you can go up to attempting to parry which is also perfectly possible.

[@marzialalfonzocanada888]

raider with 100+ latency raider: this is where the fun begins

[@taviontaylor5742]

TechnoBomber do you play on console

[@technobomber928]

@@taviontaylor5742 I wouldn't be disputing his claim if I didn't

[@EnclaveTrooper1]

It's your fault for using inferior hardware

[@sispacouet]

The Raider buff is crazy good. It's like a new level of upgrade if we could bring all of characters all the way up there would be awesome

[@Kolct]

I really like this comment. Make 'em all strong lads.

[@Adler2935]

Yeah it's pretty good in comparison to any other hero which makes Raider (even by your definition) overpowered

[@AllantheBob]

Yun Chun I mean berserker and some other chars aren’t really weaker than raider at all.

[@Adler2935]

@@AllantheBob they are. Berserker's special is Hyper armour. Raider got that. Assassins special are quick light attack. Raider got that. Heavy special are high damage hard attack plus high health. He got that too. Plus his mixups and feints are just a guessing game. No matter how good you know his skills he can always overcome you

[@blackblack1167]

Yun Chun If you’re skilled, then a Raider spamming stunning tap isnt going to stop you for long lol you also might want to re-evaluate how you view each class too.

[@xClownpiece]

It’s not designing when someone does it 5 times in a row

[@oldaccrip4520]

You could block top

[@fiable5243]

NightbugPlus on console with the recovery its literally impossible to change your guard

[@deusvult6938]

@@fiable5243 no it isn't.

[@fiable5243]

DEUS VULT that it unless your version of for honor is 60 FPS which is impossible

[@aperson1938]

@@fiable5243 no it isn't hard at first yes impossible no of course not

[@leed9548]

I didnt see my hud since the beginning of season 10 man

[@AndreiSabau]

holy shit lmao

[@frostivied9239]

You’ll get better in a few weeks!

[@Schemes_the_rat]

Me too, i'm starting to think ubi really likes whiteness...

[@ryanfootage4847]

I think people have the right to be angry when a D tier character shoots to S tier instantly because he's suddenly faster. Also now his lights are assassin speed and can soft feint zone and heavy into light, stunning tap or gb and also has hyper armour. It's a lot to adjust to when he was staring simulator pre rework. but just block lmao.

[@wyvern5890]

Raider's A tier and assassins aren't the only characters who can be fast. Learn how the game works

[@topsgaming4266]

A Raider who turtles and can react to every move thrown at him will be able to punish every hero in the game (including BP's shield bash). I'm willing to bet majority of the complaints from the community is about turtling raiders and 4 raider stacked teams on comms which are near impossible to beat. I can understand the complaints coming from the community because there's literally nothing you can do against a pro raider turtling, waiting for his gank mate to show up. Every attack you throw is unsafe because said raider can just side dodge GB. I play against these sweaty pro league stacked teams all the time, the only reasonable thing to do is to leave the match in the first few seconds. In summary, raider is strong and perhaps a little too overtuned when you consider the fact that your team will be at a significant disadvantage if the enemy team has multiple raiders and yours do not. He is becoming a must pick hero for 4v4 modes. P.s. I'm talking about competitive level players who are so good at this game but decides to turtle completely which honestly ruins the fun for others.

[@NomadFM]

I heard a similar far cry from a peacekeeper

[@topsgaming4266]

@@NomadFM I'm sure majority of the people will agree that raider's a tad too strong. I say put his side dodge GB in line with other heroes and he's good to go. What are you thoughts?

[@jesseeastman5913]

If a raider is going to spam dodge gb every time you do something punish it...there are other defensive moves that are like that (break pre established rules of the game) and they're only punishable on prediction.

[@topsgaming4266]

@@jesseeastman5913 Yes it all depends on the raider player and how he plays.

[@NomadFM]

@@topsgaming4266 Don't believe the majority of people. Disable the indicator you will see what happens.

[@SlasherMatt]

My point is: Raider is all over ranked duels right now, there must be a reason for it.

[@technobomber928]

So is lb.... so I think people are just trying things out

[@ksie5381]

My issue with Raider is not the damage, or the Stunning Tap speed: its simply that his rework doesn't fit him. I don't think a soft feint GB from heavies is something he should have gotten, as well as dodge GB: none of that fits a man with an axe (in my opinion). He's doing everything an assassin can do, but with higher damage numbers. He does everything Peacekeeper does except he's just better in every category. I want every character to be unique, I do not want Raider to be like this- because he's taking a lot of elements off of other characters and in turn becoming better than them. Though this is just my thoughts, I am curious what everyone else thinks about it.

[@ushikiii]

You fine with an 68-90 out of Stam punnished?

[@ksie5381]

@@ushikiii Most heroes have around a 60-70 OOS punish, the only exception I can really think of being conqueror. 90 is a bit absurd though not sure how you access that.

[@ushikiii]

@@ksie5381 if you hit a wall with raider you can do a heavy and a zone

[@JuanLopez-tn4my]

raider? more like *walking flashbang*

[@williamrobinson6055]

I just think he is a bit over powered now, he now has: Extremely high damage heavies 500ms lights Technically a 400ms light soft cancel that stuns High damage chain zone unlockable Unblockable from neutral Soft cancel into gb Hyper armor on chain heavies Fast dodge recovery Dodge into gb Unlocked charge Really good ledge game And most importantly NO obvious weakness, no unsafe moves.

[@fourzod]

Did you watch the entire video? Freeze mentioned this; Stunning tap is completely unsafe, it's an 18 damage stunning *light attack* that flows into chain. If the opponent reacts to it or reads it correctly and parries it, the Raider can be punished by upto 50 damage. Just because it's a fast move, doesn't make it safe. That's like saying any hero with a chain 400ms light attack is safe. "No obvious weakness", the Raider's unblockable zone attack from neutral does not have hyperarmor, you can light attack him out of it on read.

[@Uncle-Ruckus.]

@@fourzod gotta love that 50 dmg my valk does with her heavy lol

[@atomaweapon]

@@fourzod yes we watched it. i rolled my eyes so hard when he said that. "stunning tap" is completely unsafe. give me a fking break, you can barely see the indicator. you're basically guessing, if you guess wrong you eat a 40 dmg heavy.

[@fourzod]

@@atomaweapon What guess is there to make? It's not a 300ms reaction window like Nuxia's Deflect Riposte. It's a 400ms *Top* Indicator. Yes, it's _really_ scary when Raider throws his combo zone and you're out of stamina. But if you just learn to chill out and not panic, you can deal with it *most* of the time. I say most of the time because even pros make the wrong reads. Just watch Flux, Faraam, Craic, etc. One thing you should keep in mind is that it's meant to be a challenging attack for the purpose of giving the character a viable offense.

[@atomaweapon]

@@fourzod his animations are wonky and don't match the indicator. it's weird. watch old videos with him and you'll see. i also think the stunning tap mechanic for all characters is dumb, i hate that mechanic in all games, blinding a players screen. Take away the fight widget ok, but the binding white i hate I watch all their videos, watch the one where he bitches about us whining about raider, while literally being untouchable during the gameplay footage

[@LunarSpellbook]

Can't wait for all 7 pc players to have the perfect game :)

[@cheatermccheat6378]

Pretty much this. Hope they enjoy it when it's finally finished.

[@ethereal3369]

An obvious exaggeration but it cracked me up, thanks 😂

[@ushikiii]

Lol good joke 😂.

[@zachariz1490]

Lunar Spellbook thanks

[@ilikecheese4518]

ye i don’t understand why stuck up entitled pc raider main get to decide who is good and who is not

[@jakubborowski8428]

I do have to genuiely agree with the raging group now. It's not everytime a character is reworked or released that people flip their shit, it's when a large enough portion of the more casual community gets bullied by a over-stated character and get their voice heard without getting "git gud" at by the 150+ rep people. Warden and Valkyrie, PK and Orochi, Kensei are examples of characters that were reworked, but practically never got shit for the power increase they received. As for newer characters, Hitokiri is an example of a hero that didn't get shit for their launch. The problem with Raider lays in how hopeless the opposing player is when fighting one. Dodging his heavies can result in him just randomly sliding up to you(Or hitting you mainly because of the fact that his heavies are 120 or so degrees wide), him doing a stunning tap brings the very same result. In addition how fucked up the animations look due to the speed ups, the opponent has to turtle up hoping to get a parry in, otherwise there's no stopping the Raider. And sure, really good players can wait for them to do a heavy into stunning tap for them or toss the second light from the top which is an easy parry, for anyone below the bracket it feels like you're fighting a tornado with an axe.

[@jakubborowski8428]

@@MixedReadings Really? I don't remember people making videos about him being overpowered aside for the few KZbinrs complaining about him remaining a shoulderman as opposed to a swordsman after the rework.

[@moonki6688]

Ikr. I try to turtle so hard on raiders but the smart ones get me

[@mikebones8399]

Wasn’t raider in the 50 percentile across all game modes too before rework? So an already strong got a buff in every direction. Makes sense. I mean even watching the video he’s shitting on every opponent with ease while arguing he’s not broken.

[@icon517]

You listed Orochi. Almost with fail, at least every single week since Orochi’s rework, the population that Freeze is complaining about makes Reddit posts about Orochi light spam that hit the top of the page.

[@UtherShett]

If you aren’t skilled enough parry him, your opponent is also probably going to be less skilled,(because of sbmm) and therefore predictable, and if you can’t parry a predictable raider, then you need to start practicing. He is without a doubt very strong, but so have a lot left of characters been over the years. I don’t think raider is quite as different than those other broken characters were.

[@CringeConsultant]

I do feel that the majority of problems with Raider aren't a "Raider" problem, it's a cast problem, not many other heroes compare to Raider now and the ones that do only do because of 400ms lights, which people hate... funny how we are coming to the end of the reworks and yet some 'reworked' characters cant hold a candle to Raider or Warden. Peacekeepers was a joke, Lawbringer needed hyper armour and shugokis can still be shut down completely by dodge into roll away. I get the argument of adaptation, the git gud argument has always been, yes you can block but not an unblockable and that can lead to a stun, a gb or taking the unblockable. I know the console argument is annoying but I do main Raider on console, generally high level and if you play him right theres nothing anyone can do to shut him down, which I like but not to this extent, I dont want his dodge gb to be taken away as it's the only way I can punish a light bash only black prior, but one or the other had to go, tone back his offence or take away the gb. I dislike Raider being the only character people seem to be playing right now, its shit.

[@WolfyinaHoodie]

You also forgot Orochi's rework that gave him faster lights, a storm rush that can come from any side, and basically no dependable way to open people up. Dodge frames still overlap deflect frames so going for deflects is risky and sometimes not worth it to an extent, reflex guard is still a pain in the ass to deal with since day one, and Orochi's kit feels all but useless in most cases when everyone just blocks kind of like pk but at least she has soft feints. If your gonna rework a hero rework them so they are on par with either other reworked hero's or the new really good hero's. Raider is strong I will say that but comparing his rework to all the other reworked hero's (besides Kensei who actually has a decent enough kit) the other hero's pretty much got the ubishaft.

[@technobomber928]

They can't exactly overhaul a game overnight, it takes time. Raider right now is like shaman when she was first released in my mind. Give the rest of the roster time to catch up and they will.

[@miemsliva4464]

@@technobomber928 you already used this argument once, and you seem to forget that shaman has been *heavily* nerfed since her release

[@technobomber928]

@@miemsliva4464 it was an loose similarity as I feel like that's where the game is at this time, a turning point. It doesn't change my main point which you just ignored.

[@miemsliva4464]

@@technobomber928 If you had a point it obviously wasn't clear enough alongside the other insulting babble, care to explain in that case?

[@yungmalaria]

The general community thinks that fundamentals and “good mixups” can make a character strong and that decent pressure is just some cheese tactic for people who can’t play the game. I used to think similar things way back in S2-4, I thought that you could make could feint combos work on warlord but the reality is 80% of my damage was still coming from headbutt. So then I started playing less without the icky orange move and I instantly saw the game slow down, every fight became relying on my opponents incompetence and I was constantly oos, I had no concept of option selecting and I don’t even know if I knew how to roll away from shit besides like warden SB. I accused shinobi and centurions release as them trying to shoehorn the game into something where you have to make guesses and then make another guess and how I didn’t like how characters were moving away from the basic emphasis on heavies and lights and other “mixups” in between them. Good lord I was so naive, the reality is, the game isn’t built on “this is a weird set of inputs so it’s gonna throw him off once then be useless later”, it’s based on either having a move that’s sub reactable or unreactable in chain and the counterplay in between with a mixture of baiting your opponents attempts to get damage with delay feints, baiting option selects, and even baiting rolls. There is no epic mixup combos, you are just go do some weird feints then put yourself oos and get slaughtered by good oos pressure (then you’ll go to FH rants and whine about x and why it’s oppressive). Maybe people would block things better if they weren’t focusing on mashing buttons to their stupid insane youtuber mixups. It’s actually sad how much people whine and circlejerk about certain characters being bad, then immediately 180 day 1 because they haven’t had an epiphany of how to instantly negate their opponents offense. And it’s frustrating to think that the resources like this that is probably one of the most digestible and comprehensive sources for information on For Honor still has people who just can’t retain the message that is being presented. Can we stop complaining about offense and start complaining about how you can instantly die if you get some of your attacks countered?? I would love to make flashy random feints into viable combos but you can’t do that with bad movesets, it doesn’t make the difference. It tells you a lot what the general playerbase thinks is good for say, Lawbringer additions to his moveset it’s always the same two fucking things. Dude dae lawbro NEEDS a softfeint from heavy into long arm, like a basic delay feint would do the exact same thing and not have 1000 ms recovery ffs, it wouldn’t catch backdashes or rolls so it would be an absolutely pointless addition to his moveset. The other one that irritates me hearing so much is people talking about LB needing hyperarmor, like first of all what the fuck does that even mean??? Hyperarmor on opening heavies?? On chain heavies??? What on impale charge BE FUCKING SPECIFIC he’s always had hyperarmor attacks since day 1 so what is this hyperarmor that he NEEDS. And here’s where I’ve argued many times before, what does LB need hyperarmor for anyway? He doesn’t have any chains worth interrupting, who is sitting there throwing random neutral heavies on LB for fucks sake. If they are interrupting you, fucking feint and parry them and delete their health with your stupid overtuned punishes. An LB with hyperarmor still doesn’t do anything for him, he can barely attack still, his punishes are still problematic and his main playstyle has pretty much stayed fundamentally the same. All people care about is thematic design, “LB has the biggest armor so he should have more HA combos than zerker and hito”, there is no real world equivalent to hyperarmor, it is a completely fantasy concept. You can’t throw an attack, get hit by your opponent and not flinch and hit him with the force of your weapon, you would realistically lose all your momentum. Even if we were simulating plate armors strength that would have half the weapons in the game just bounce of LBs chest, dude let’s give LB passive fullstance block to simulate his plate armor! Can we stop requesting rework changes based around thematic or “what will look cool” and just focus more on not having a shit or poorly designed hero that were stuck with for the rest of this game’s existence. LB punishes aren’t justified because muh light spam or because YOU weren’t aware of the proper punishes when channels like this bust their ass off making max punish guides that literally show you how to play your fucking hero. What the fuck is even light spam, at what point does it become spam? Bro I got hit with two lights I HATE light spam, I am just so tired of all these vague uninformed regurgitated rhetorical points which are founded from a circlejerk that doesn’t know how the game is played.

[@ezopp5600]

Bruh who the fuck is gonna read all that shit

[@frostivied9239]

Thank you malaria, very cool. 100% agreed, it confuses me how majority of for honor player just straight refuse to actually understand the game.

[@chys1s]

The LB paragraph is just 100% facts and logicsness, it just makes no sense to me how HA on LB is even a topic. either you'd give him the hito treatment allowing him to option select indicators with heavy openers, or you'd give chain heavies HA which would do absolutely nothing since there's no actual offensive pressure to interrupt or parry in the first place. just dodge finisher on fixed timing to avoid most options, roll if you have accidentaly turned off your monitor whilst LB is in chain or just react to his chain attacks. people be dum dum

[@miemsliva4464]

I mean, i'm not gonna argue since most of your points are solid, and i will give you a specific answer to the hyperarmor question and some reasons why i think it needs to be implemented. Hyperarmor on the unblockable heavy, it's honestly the only thing he'd ever need it on, and it's ridiculous that shaolin and LB himself can just boop you out of it with their 400 ms attacks. but at the same time im not saying you cant feint and parry it, what i am saying is a majority of the playerbase cant actually do that on a regular enough of a basis for it to be a reliable thing to do, especially if your opponent doesn't do that every time, on and if your opponent isn't hit stunned, aka you did a backstep attack kind of thing, or otherwise tried to initiate it while out of range, and use the addition forward movement to try and get it to land, in that case especially most hero's can punish it even with only 500 ms attacks, and the same can be done with heavys if timed right, and in some cases, if your caught trying to get to the unblockable you can just get punished before you can even get it out and that's another story. And that's just from a duel/1v1 perspective. The main reason i think he needs it is for 4v4, not counting that most people with half a braincell can just parry the damned thing without thinking about it, is also that in a team fight, you are generally getting slapped around more than ever before, so much in fact that if by some miracle you do get to your unblockable, you just get pimp slapped out of it. that's the main reason to really, really get it in is so that in a 4v4 mode you can punish people for just trying to spam at you as soon as they hear your deep ass huge-boi voice pipe up under the helmet. Anyway, i dont have a problem with what you said, but i have been wanting to get this off my chest for a long ass time, and i want to know what you think of it in general with my reasoning, especially since i actually focused on one specific thing to get HA. I hope you actually get to read this. and i also hope this wasn't too bad to read either, i made this rather late in the night. see you Malaria

[@muddymudkips3840]

I Firmly believe that Lawbringer needs Hyper Armour on his start up heavy, and his top heavy finisher and that's it tbh,that's where most people will throw a light to interrupt you. and when it comes to soft feints honestly i think the best soft feint he could get would to be to make his top heavy finisher soft-feintable into shove as this would make dodging him significantly more difficult and give people and incentive to either parry it or dodge, giving him a really damn good mixup. While i agree with your "If they are interrupting you, fucking feint and parry them and delete their health with your stupid overtuned punishes." Having hyper armour in these situations would prevent them from taking the free damage in the case that you decide to not feint for once. What your saying is basically forcing all his attacks to parry baits and no character should have to rely solely on parries. Adding hyper armour on those 2 simple things shouldn't be much of an issue and it prevents people from slapping you for free xD. That's just my opinion though.

[@SirVelstadt]

I agree with most of what you said but it's a very fine line between effective vs fair. Just because it works dosent mean its acceptable.

[@cakechan3104]

Especially on console without 60fps

[@technobomber928]

@@cakechan3104 psst, stop hiding behind the excuse of being on console

[@cakechan3104]

@@technobomber928 it's not an excuse bud its facts, it would be easier with a monitor and Xbox one x though

[@technobomber928]

@@cakechan3104 I say it's an excuse because you don't adapt to having a worse set up and blame 30 fps and the imput delays for not being able to predict/react. So it's your own damn fault for playing a game when you know your handicapped and then complain about it to others.

[@cakechan3104]

@@technobomber928 not complaining tho still facts and I'll still beat you

[@leinadlink]

I stopped playing the game because staring contests. I stopped playing the game because of broken stunlock mechanics. I stopped playing the game because of unfair gear stats... But after all these changes I am _glad_ one thing hasn't changed: the community :)

[@patrickmusulin7892]

I felt the sarcasm a little bit. But there are really good people here.

[@messerschmitt_bf109]

It's a good thing the gear does almost nothing now

[@charlesspicejacket3215]

Well damage is lower now

[@antray6848]

"Stunning tap is actually quite risky for the raider" I was okay with this video up until now lol

[@Absinthis]

The reason people are still complaining about raider is because he really is broken... I stopped maining raider (my main since I started playing) because there is zero challenge playing him and I've never had such easy wins with any character. People stopped complaining about shugoki, vortiger, hitokiri... but not raider, and for a reason

[@niklasknz8571]

No skill needed for raider right now

[@ianperry8557]

Niklas knz I don’t know it’s pretty easy to block and parry continuous lights like most the brain dead people like to throw.

[@freewaytf]

I agree with everything, Dodge GB should be removed, and I'd also tone way down the stamina damage of ST

[@MeCitadel]

In 1-1 situation I agree , in 4-4 when there are 2-3 of them in any team its busted, like a team of 4 Hito or prenerf 4JJ.

[@wyvern5890]

Bruh

[@KiriKira]

Well done, you did a great argument against the straw man you set up. "oh lmao just parry haha" and all the other bull you just spouted. Can't wait to see raider's current win rate.

[@patrickmusulin7892]

His win rate is a reflection of people's loss rate. Like he said. Learning is the hardest thing people have to do. And no one does it. I think Raider is just the first character to challenge our learning rates. And also. Win rates don't mean shit when you get a guy who plays Warlord and the absolute BEAST at supporting his team and FUCKS ganks. Win rate is just a stupid statistic that reflects who can win with him. And Yeah. IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF LEARNING TO PLAY RAIDER. BUT THE LESS LEARNING THE PLAYER DOES, THE MORE PREDICTABLE.

[@mistermagic7002]

It's not the fact that raider is good that trigger me It's that the characters aren't balanced between each other It's this unfair situation i hate If they want to start giving a character so many tools They need to bring more tools to the others too as well I don't like having a game with 3 or 4 extremely good character and the rest being less or very worst I don't think raider need a Nerf (except for the stunning tap draining stamina because it doesn't make sense) And I would like all characters to have soft faints because it's a very effective tool at any lvl

[@ushikiii]

Also wtf is this "just block" argument he has a unblockable move from basically everything and a chained unblockable heavy is 50 damage!

[@loganrushing4810]

Just block is a lie. I can't block all attacks hitting me at once.

[@ushikiii]

@@loganrushing4810 I know right not everyone is a god at this game.

[@ushikiii]

I think I have spent to much time on this comment section 😂.

[@wyvern5890]

Waah

[@reonthornton685]

I respect your opinion but honestly I find Raider totally broken on console. 400ms is NOT reactable on console, and must be predicted, while the attack is meant to be 500ms. It is naturally harder on console to respond to faints because moving an analog stick creates a delay that PC doesn't have. Having unreactables as openers is fine unless it gets spammed, and yes it is spamming to use it literally every time, but some characters lack alternatives, but having an unreactable that hits hard for a light, as well as stuns making the next piece of response next to impossible to pull off via skill, becoming a game of luck, is annoying. I am personally fine with the Raider rework, with the exception of the stunning tap, and toning down his damage on his heavies a little bit so it's between the old and new values. Once you're hit by the tap, he has too many options to successfully hit now to properly defend yourself. Pre-rework he could only really guarantee a good light hit with a tap, and it'd be risky to launch a heavy, but now it basically kills the targets stamina completely while stunning them, and can be thrown in very rapid succession as a 400ms soft feint. The stunning tap is too easy to pull off, but too hard to counter especially when it lands. I don't even know how to use it to it's full potential but when I play Raider I absolutely destroy people with only some knowledge of his moveset, even recently won a 3 vs 1 against another Raider, a Highlander and a Nobushi. Sincerely, an active console Rep 94, rep'd every hero to learn them all.

[@Aguywithabelton]

I've played on Both Consoles Xbox and Ps4. I also play on Tv with a wireless controller I can assure you that 400ms isn't NOT REACTABLE like you say it is. What you need is to practice put time and skill into the game so you can actually parry because once you get used to not being bad it's pretty fun. Plus, if you're good enough pure reaction time doesn't have to carry you read your opponents take mixups from different people you play against and keep it in mind so you later on are able to react to those thing in a snap.

[@Aguywithabelton]

And for a rep 94 it's kinda funny you sound pretty bad on the fingers. Sometimes Characters don't have a lot of options but you can always play the characters that do. Also, buddy you dont need to have a good character to parry Stunning Tap also there's a thing called blocking. (Here's a tip play without the UI so you learn moves and different timings by heart)

[@reonthornton685]

I have over 100 reps as of now. I have also just installed For Honor on another console but have no reps on it yet. I pride myself on learning every single character and repping them all to at least 1. I still can't reliably react to 400ms attacks, either through framerate or still having to rely on outdated copper internet networks. I can't say exactly what is the main issue. Reading attacks is near impossible when I keep dropping and raising through the skill rankings and no one plays the same unless if you get stuck in a certain skill bracket. People simply don't fight the same at different skill brackets so I'm constantly having to re-learn rough attack patterns, and the lower I go, the more light spam I have to counter. Stunning tap can be blocked, yes, but people don't JUST stunning tap. If it comes out of a soft feint, it is literally unreactable unless you expected it before they threw it. If someone is basic stunning tapping with no soft feint I can counter them easily and they aren't very good at Raider. Also, I learned my defense the hard way, by starting as an Assassin, so I actively made it hard on myself to become as skilled as I can defensive wise. I am the best player among my group of real life friends who play it, but even so, 400ms attacks I can maybe react to 40% of the time, and only parry by accident. I actually have more luck deflecting them than I do parrying them. Your claim of lack of skill is rather obnoxious. Plus, I consider pure reaction time skill, while reading is knowledge. The two are not both skill. Unfortunately, the game becomes very boring once everyone can read each other's attacks (I did temporarily reach the skill bracket where that is normal) and the turtle meta showed in full force. It is NOT fun to be able to read each other's attacks because no one wants to make an attack, or every attack is a feint. Playing without the UI is suicide if you don't have near photographic memory for animations as well as near human limit levels of reaction time if you're playing against anyone who isn't a noob. You're basically asking to get your ass kicked.

[@JS-mb9he]

Stun tap is an easy parry if you spam

[@reonthornton685]

Not unless you know the timing while your screen is dazed and you can't see the indicators.

[@shmallowcat2604]

IMO they just need to change the animations on the lights for me as they just look really bad and are hard to see. Other then that he's fine. Also just the lights not stunning tap.

[@BlushingPico144]

Agree'd

[@asamisaito]

Euan Pretl if they can’t make his lights look normal then his weapon isn’t suit for lights that fast

[@aiellamori]

It's just different for a causal player as myself. I only play duel and never any other game mode and I don't play often. It just feels very disheartening to just be hit by all these attacks that I can't see. Again,just from a casual players view. If his light attack animations were bigger and more explosive, I would be happy. Or maybe reduce the stun affect

[@kinaiyuei9802]

On pc they just delete files to make the blind effect less harsh. Smh

[@aiellamori]

@@kinaiyuei9802 Really? It's the absolute worst on my tv, it's almost as if the screen turns entirely white. I tried reducing the contrast in game and the settings on the tv, but it's still really bad

[@Toastanious]

I couldn’t tell if he was protecting raider or going against it

[@TheVikingWoodsmith]

That's the thing with facts, they are neutral :P

[@GimmieTheJimmie]

This entire video was him essentially saying "git gud"

[@taviontaylor5742]

Or him making a bullshit just block argument

[@AmnesiacSai]

people that play for honor are not fighting game players. They are for honor players.

[@Darksoulsfail]

They are for their most part casual whiners.

[@Metamorphoryth]

I don't like playing vs raider because fighting him feels like you can't ever use any of your offense ever. You get out traded, dodge gb'ed, stunning tapped. It feels like you have to just sit there and block because any parry attempts get punished. And to me that's just not fun, it been my personal experience with raider this season but maybe people have an easier time with him than me.

[@bunnywabbit8836]

I'd honestly prefer all the hero's to be op in their own ways so there's no reason for anyone to be weak.

[@cIoudbank]

''If everyone is op, then no one is op'' mindset is the most stupid thing. Stop.

[@adam5362]

If everything is OP, the game is a mess. Definitly not balanced.

[@LaserThemTheGirl]

@@cIoudbank What are you calling him stupid for? Some people just like this type of game where everyone is OP, ever seen how popular MvC 3 was back in the day?

[@cIoudbank]

@@LaserThemTheGirl ??? i didn't call him stupid i called the mindset stupid because that's a stupid way to balance a game.

[@CrowPiper]

thats literally what the game Devs are "trying" to do atm, but imo that is literally gunna turn everyone into a super armor high damage trading fest until someone falls. which from seeing Hitokiri and Raider now..not so fun imo

[@mr.knight1359]

Even before that raider was so good in 4v4 like they even didnt change that 50 damage raider fury...raider rework is like shugo rework with his same static super armor and that 60 unlock charge.... They just fix the F stampad and they said ok now raider is super balance in 4v4...ok galaxy minds

[@RedFlytrap]

Pretty much, i still hate the shugo rework, they reworked one hero GOOD by ACCIDENT. As of now, raider hardly has any faults.. Fucking annoying to fight even more so than he was before. Freeze is just being a pussy and adhering to the people who "like" it without seeing the actual fucking issues. That's why I hate his points.

[@technobomber928]

@@RedFlytrap what about his points were wrong? They're going to remove dodge gb soon and they are turning the stanning tap stam damage into something that is static instead of constantly putting you at 20

[@miemsliva4464]

@@technobomber928 as i referred to in another reply to you, since you obviously love picking fights, freeze telling us to just block is the most wrong point in the entire fucking vid, and i overall find freeze's argument pretty fucking weak and simply anger fueled because the community almost as a whole despises a character he obviously enjoys playing now

[@iiequinox8044]

I can deal with legitimately this whole rework except dodge GB. It makes Raider incredibly safe at all times. He never has to worry about dodging and getting hugely punished.

[@Bran732]

Why is it such a problem for you now? You can still guardbreak when a Raider dodges out of stamina.

[@iiequinox8044]

@@Bran732 That's true, but good luck ever doing that when you lose all of your stamina with one grab. It used to be all he had that was good, but now he has a lot more that makes him have a good offense, which makes dodge GB even more annoying since it's currently the second best defensive moves in the game combined with his great offense.

[@Dert26]

"Having moves that are unreactable are a good thing." Meanwhile you look at Mordhau, a slower paced Fighting Game with most, if not all moves being reactable, and it's doing much better than For Honor...

[@aaerondight5163]

i'd probably switch to mordhau if i have extra cash for pc and the game

[@danver8433]

@@aaerondight5163 Try it it;s great,one problem is that you have no defense against ganks,hopefully that gets some work done.

[@wyvern5890]

Mordhau has a completely different fighting system but ok

[@SeanSappCameraguy]

I agree with most of your argument, but your comparison to shaman and PK soft feints is in bad taste. Both of those moves have transparent required lead-ins with very limited variable timing, and do extremely limited damage, and don't have dangerous follow-ups. Stunning tap does literally everything short of a heavy attack damage factor. High range light damage, disorienting, variable timing, stamina damage, and the kicker is the follow up can be a hyper armor heavy instead. My best case scenario is roll out, which is the answer they're trying to get rid of for most mix-ups in the game. Sure, prediction and identifying patterns is key to winning any fight, and For Honor is moving towards a less turtle-economy based metagame. The problem is only 3-4 characters are really there, and the rest are suffering and forced to play the unlock roll game to counter most mixups, which is even less fun than the turtle-economy ever was. And lets be honest, the only "rework" that came even close to this level of upgrade was the Kensei upgrade. I hope the other characters can survive being ignored for 6 more seasons.

[@jynxed66six54]

i think theyre done after these character releases, so most of the cast wont get put into that position

[@jacobkaras7610]

A. I want to make something clear, I don't think what you said about adapting is true in this case. B. At the same time its bullcrap if anyone thinks you said it because you're a raider main. And here is the reason: anyone that saw your videos, know that you look at the game with a mechanical view, and I think it's not fair to give you crap about it. C. The thing about the stunning tap is that it 400 ms, no matter why it's like that, and you can adapt to 400 ms lights, but the fact that its stunning and blinds you, makes it worst, and that is what is so annoying about it. Again, it's not fair to say that you were paid to say that but you get what I'm trying to say. Anyway, love your vids😁😁

[@AlexBlack712]

If the stunning tap lands, which is inevitable for the duration of a match, Raider has a vast range of punish oportunities that you simply can't calculate at the momment. Heavy to GB, side light, a heavy, or stanning tap again and the same moves after that. Attacks WILL land at some point after the tap and Raider has A LOT of "free" damage which is not very acceptable for a hard hitting hero. When 3/4 of the heroes in the game don't have a similar move/mixup it becomes a bit unfair and frustrating. Especially on players who play casually and want to have fun. Raider's stunning tap has to be reverted back to its original speed.

[@TontonPanda]

I think you don't realise the overall pb here and why people are leaving, you got to take the game as a whole and take some distance here. thing is the community bring tons of very clever ideas, both elegant and not implying huge work on dev side, but they don't seem to care much... And people like me leave the game because the job done on the last update was just disappointing : it seemed to have been done in a rush and a lack of ressources, so much that it requiered an other update righr after. Lb rework is extremly lazy and didn't do much good to the char or the game, and raider rework is really bad work : animations are horrible, full of glitches, and yea, unbalanced. So for me it's too much, they knew most of core players had high expectations for this update to bring a new meta and balance to the game, but what we received was just rushed unfinished work. This lead me to fear that Ubi is cutting down funds for this game, or maybe the team is working on FH 2 ....

[@kinaiyuei9802]

Lawbringer is just light bringer on console. He's got one mixup and that's it. Basically a better centurion but only slightly faster.

[@gustawosiecki6410]

Ubisoft is trying to turn the frogs gay

[@melmon6716]

tap water is no where to be seen 👀

[@omagosh]

thank you for mentioning the dodge GB - I hope they get rid of the dodge-to-unlock-roll-away mechanic in general as well. it makes watching "competitive play" less interesting fun than watching paint dry. After all, they gave us weapons in this game to use them!

[@diesalot1837]

Tbf I now love new raider mains, since there is 100% chance they’ll use the tap so I can crushing counter them as warden, but good raiders destroy me because I’m bad.

[@danielsilhavy930]

I like the rework on paper, but oh boy is it awful in-game, I hate raider now, and its not justs some hurr durr sTuNiNg TaP bad (tho it is overtuned), my issue is that his heavies are too high dmg and to fast cosidering the triple softfeint, its not like shaman or pk because PK is slower and shaman has much less range and ACTUALLY FITTING ANIMATIONS. Raider is janky af there is no disputing that, shaman has nice fluid animations meanwhile raiders hands teleport around in the combo. Another thing are the chains, omfg Raider can lightspam super well now and when you throw in the heavies you get this. I highly disagree that raider is fine now. I agree on the adapting part, and that there will always be someone in the community disliking everything, but this hardly the same, you could actually make an argument that the community would NOT be so harsh to new things when you consider how many hard to adapt to things have been added since Marching Fire, but now everyone is in outrage and its not slowing down. I think Raider defenitely needs second look

[@kinaiyuei9802]

All he needed was faster lights

[@kinaiyuei9802]

And more chains

[@Alex_Aramayo]

Ur calling 500ms "lights" light-spam dam i have seen rep 0's block 500ms lights almost perfectly 😄

[@beachbeans14]

Freeze, I love all of your vids and hearing you break down for honor for the community. However, I believe your opinion on raider is wrong. I don’t think he needs extreme nerfing per say, but some adjustments would be nice. For example, stunning tap shouldn’t take stamina, do 18 damage, and continue to stack stun after getting hit 2-3 times. I believe that is what makes him annoying to fight. No one wants to get spammed by stunning tap, while you can learn to predict it and sometimes react, it comes off as a cheap “get some free damage” attack. I don’t think he’s super strong but he is one of the most miserable characters to fight atm because of this.

[@lorenzolama6436]

if you call free damage a move that on read, or on god damn reaction if you aren't a sloth since it's only 33 ms faster than 500 ms attacks, gets punished by light parry, you're absolutely right

[@jaythegray5802]

Put your guard to the top problem solved.

[@thatonecountrythateveryone2118]

Jay the Gray wOw wHy dIdNt I tHiNk oF tHaT,iTs nOt lIkE hE cAn jUsT lEt tHe HeAvY fLy oR gUaRdBrEak iNsTeAd.

[@noname-ou8iq]

" people always complain when a new rework comes" but people are not complaining about lawbringer because he is not busted while raider is busted and need a heavy nerf hammer.

[@ianperry8557]

van Dammage2 nah I’ve seen people complain about LB

[@ianperry8557]

van Dammage2 it as just like went Cent and shinobi first dropped, everyone complained about Cent, and few on shinobi even though both at the time were stupidly annoying.

[@Vinnik94]

Yeah, just block guys, Raider doesn't have a 50 dmg unblockable soft feintable, you can just block...i always agree with you Freeze, but not this time.

[@TheOneYouCantBEAR]

after that he said you can dodge also you can learn softfeint/feint timings. thats how most characters get rekt

[@Vinnik94]

@@TheOneYouCantBEAR Which part of "soft feintable" you don't understand? For dash in the right timing the unblockable, you are always vulnerable to gb...when you are oos, the question is "i take 50 damage, or i take 68+ damage?"

[@bonefat21]

"I haven't done a video with a lot of dislikes in a while" alernaGiggle

[@sergxi1748]

I personally was really hoping for a different way of breaking the defensive meta than giving some characters free openers that guarantee damage from neutral. Don’t get me wrong I’m okay with 400 ms lights in a chain and unreactable attacks but I feel like they do too much damage or the heroes have too little health. It also shouldn’t be as free as it is right now with moves being so safe and being able to use it over and over again in one attack string. Having only one or two “viable” moves in a kit leads to just blocking and only using that move because everything else in his kit doesn’t do anything. Better mechanics to counteract being defensive would’ve been better than free attacks that guarantee free damage that you don’t have to earn or work your way into. It’s no secret that competitive For Honor is a joke, I just wish it was more about attacking to work your way into mixups with better mechanics with depth to counter being super defensive while making offense fun and viable. Better said that done I guess but it could’ve happened.

[@GhillieMaster]

Idk. I'm already used to the Lawbringer rework, im already used to the new character. But for some reason I can't get used to the new raider. I get my ass kicked every time I face one. He's just not fun to play against. And that's all I ever see in duels. So if im not having fun I'll simply not play the game.

[@SomeKnight]

When Warden rework came out i didn't have any problems. When Shugoki rework came out I adapt like in a week. But with Raider, idk man Raider is different.

[@Vaeynheart]

okay, time to be that guy. *inhales* but it's different on console. :')

[@Alex_Aramayo]

Not rly

[@Vaeynheart]

@@Alex_Aramayo it's called sarcasm?

[@Alex_Aramayo]

@@Vaeynheart tell that to pple using "console" as an excuse

[@Vaeynheart]

@@Alex_Aramayo firstly, what other people think is irrelevant to my comment. secondly, if you think console and PC are a perfect mirror, you're way too ignorant for your own good.

[@Alex_Aramayo]

@@Vaeynheart jesus fh is filled with toxic plebeians 😂

[@humanbean720]

found the raider main

[@gankutsuou.justme3425]

Well, I've been playing for 2 years now, maybe a bit more, and it's the first time i don't want to play anymore after facing a certain character. i gave it a chance since the "rework" came out, as i always have, and matches are simply not fun when facing raider(s) or having one in my team. Raider simply wrecks everyone, I can't kill anyone, neither can i do anything against enemy raiders. I only get hits out of lucky reads, yes. And yes, i have adapted to all reworks and updates since 2017, and this was the one that actually made me stop playing the game constantly, or even not considering playing it.

[@Willowbirch]

My biggest issues are the indicator and the stamina drain, not so much the move itself. It was one thing losing that stamina when stunning tap took forever to land, but regardless of the impending stamina changes, trying to do anything BUT but block can just lead you into OOS too easily when he can stun you, chain into an unblockable that can then again be soft feinted into a GB or another tap. The blinding effect is already obnoxious enough that it doesn't need the stamina drain, or at least not THAT much.

[@nosmer9458]

This is your brain on raider, folks. Trying to defend this overloaded piece of imbalance while perfecting most of his opponents.

[@frostivied9239]

Gitgud

[@nosmer9458]

@@frostivied9239 you first

[@Oznerol1234]

I love getting paried with my slow ass lights with glad and getting 3taped with those 40 damage Light parry !!!!!! Edit : also i love to see my stamina nerfed even tho im pretty weak and im a "stamina preserver" Special thx to the balancing team at ubisoft

[@PTSD503]

Pretty dumb if only one character gets an "unreactable" offense for month to come...while i agree that some complaints are stupid, there is also some legit criticism

[@bob6769]

"Press a button and get up to 50 depending on the hero" *smiles in INCREDIBILIS*

[@sublis939]

Hey community this is your fault because y’all wanted a buff and this is what you got, a fucking beast of a hero that can be unstoppable if played right. Which is not that hard. Edit: the For Honor community to be clear on which community.

[@HatlessMann]

Imagine having to practice and get better over time in a game genre that encourages *practicing to get better over time* FH's community would rather baff waebringr though

[@yungmalaria]

Give us a new defensive mechanic PLEASE ubisoft, the new reworks... the attacks LAND

[@nmiloslavich]

I repped raider to 60 pre rework and I won’t touch him now he’s so broken

[@JozseffirstGamingchannel]

"if you've made this far into the video you probably agree with me" Give me a break. You are whining just as much as the rest who constantly complain about raider, you are just one the other team. So I watched the whole video and since i did, hopefully you dont write me down as an unreasonable whining kid and hear me out. My issues with raider are the following, The top light which isn't problematic because it's very mixable and difficult to deal with but because it's very strong at the same time. And not just damage wise, rather the stun itself and the stamina drain is the issue. So it either should loose speed, or should be way less punishing because it is a very safe move, doesen't matter how you try to make it seem otherwise, you are in denial, it isn't any more dangerous for raider than any other light attacks for the cast, and yet it's twice as punishing. Then moving onto the stampee charge. Again, stamina drain. Why on earth do you get tired for getting carried away? Funniest thing about it all is that Raider, who is running across the map with another person on his shoulder, hardly tires at all. Great fucking logic. And the elephant in the room, dodge guardbreak. Everything else is fine, even if he looks unhuman and fucking ridicilous in a fight, the rest of his kit is reasonable and fair.

[@atomaweapon]

yeah he's just th eopposite, not being rational and just bitching. low iq vid from him

[@zachariz1490]

Jozseffirst Lovin' gamin' are you really searching for logic in a game where vikings, knights, weebs and chinese fight? We literally have someone who can get better by hugging you

[@wyvern5890]

"waaaaaaah I'm gonna show you how stupid you are by proving your point"

[@oldaccrip4520]

Someone who thinks stun is a problem clearly has no right to comment on this issue.

[@wyvern5890]

@@atomaweapon OK moron

[@leventcelik6597]

I honestly remember this and agree with some of your points, but I am also one of those who quit because of one hero: Hitokiri. After 3 months of going against him on more than half of my duels, and losing almost all of those, I wasn't having any fun anymore and I quit until last week, since he finally got nerfed.

[@Mattman_90]

I've come to this channel ever since I started For Honor back in season 4 and this channel is incredibly educational to those looking to improve their game. So I think you've proven that you are objective. I like Raiders changes, he's viable now and I agree that's good for the game, unreactable attacks are good. For me personally, dodge guard break should go, it's as bad as shove on block was. I do think stunning tap should hit for a little less than 18 damage given that it blinds opponents and drains stamina but aside from that Raider is in a great place. Hope you got it out your system Freeze, the outcry will die down eventually. Just incase anyone wonders, I don't main Raider. I'm a Warden and Peacekeeper main playing on PS4.

[@Scottthemetalhead]

I only disagree on the stunning tap comment. I actually can't believe you're defending the blatant lie of ubisoft. It is meant to be 500 ms not 400. This is coming from a raider main since beta. It was unnecessary for them to do that to stunning tap. Everything they did is fantastic EXCEPT the stunning tap. They should've done everything they did but kept stunning tap where it was. He has plenty of offensive now even without it. If they completely removed it he'd still have a solid offense and a solid defense. Overall good video, but you of all people should understand when people have different opinions on something. You are massively respected in the community and most everyone listens to what you have to say whether they disagree with it or not. You don't need to treat folks that have different looks on a hero or a move like a group of retards or stupid asshats. There is good reason for outcry on the stunning tap. The other stuff not so much. I agree with you on that.

[@wyvern5890]

You realise the indicator is 400ms because of a bug, right? The attack itself is 500ms

[@Dontaexy]

90% of this video is about stunning tap then when you do talk about the real elephant in the room you completely agree with the community..I understand disagreeing but disagreeing just for the sake of doing it? Eh I'll pass. We all know Raider is the strongest character in the game even winning the matchup again the overpowered conq who remains at the top of the tier list in both common and plat play even with new and reworked characters so I just don't understand the logic here.. Sorry bud

[@Flamehawk1]

Going to be a crayon eater and say I disagree with the hyper armour only. Sure you can adapt but it means you're playing way more defensive, . I like to play highly offensive but I can't do this because I can't risk the high damage heavies hitting me. Can I get a side of glue and a jug of bleach to go with that meal deal please. I love the videos man, I look forward to them everytime. Keep up the good work mate, you're a gem in this community.

[@marykfcjane]

I really enjoyed this video, I actually just started playing raider again about a week ago. I didn’t even know they took out the side dodge Guardbreak. I’ve never thought he was overpowered, he’s not a very popular hero so of course it’s hard to read him. Super easy parry on the stunning tap though.. I’m stuck at 30 FPS so bear that in mind when I say, the only characters I’ve had issues with were Shaman around her release date, Shugoki after the rework (again, unpopular so hard to read) and the reworked Kensei. I’m not sure how the PC community feels about Kensei but for me on console he’s the only character I honestly dread fighting. I can’t seem to parry his dodge lights, I can’t seem to hit him with a side attack even when he dodges the opposite way with his heavy attack. I can’t even block his lights 80% of the time. I haven’t seen your video on the frame check of Kensei but his zone feels faster than Orochis. Maybe even faster than PK? I’d love to hear your thoughts or thoughts from the community on this matter.

[@noahposh2624]

The only thing i'd ask to change is the stamina damage on stun tap. Keep, the damage, keep the speed, keep the transition into finishers but just make it so i don't run out of stamina when i try to counter it

[@Frankly-_]

Freeze, you changed my mind about this whole mess. I hope this video gets seen by many people.

[@hightiernub1313]

Freeze lost his cool there for 8 minutes and 35 seconds.

[@avy6153]

In my opinion, the problem with Raider is his overtuned damage, his animations and (that's not the characters fault) the Wi-Fi warriors that use him. The neutral side heavy should to 30 and it need to be guaranteed in a gb and be like the Kensei's side heavy (deal 40 damege in a light parry), top heavy should do 40 from neutral, the 2nd heavy in a chain should to 40 and the 3rd should do 40 as well. His animations should be redone (the other "reworked" characters need it as well) and the Wi fi warriors need to use a Ethernet cable. No one likes you and your 60 latency.

[@thetigertard]

I agree with a ton of your points but I still think the speed on console is a bit dumb, the change in frames is noticeable and just makes things a bit harder than they should be for others

[@SirFlopoges]

Coming from Console to PC... I FEEL LIKE A GOD!

[@Reptiles4Life15]

Imagine still playing for honor on console

[@aaerondight5163]

@@Reptiles4Life15 feels so fucking frustrating. The only reason i continue to play on console is because of my best friend not being able to afford pc.

[@anthonypeck8448]

So you call people out for complaining but agree some things could be fixed? Okaaaay. If you agree with the rework, can you honestly agree he needed a damage buff on top? Whatever dude.

[@xxgamerkingxx5153]

Awe stop bro, he's clearly being biased

[@anthonypeck8448]

@@xxgamerkingxx5153 I unsubbed for this elitist BS.

[@ninjasuikai]

They could probably do with changing the animations on his follow-ups so they aren't so god damn misleading following the stunning tap. Or just reduce how much stamina it drains (or remove that part entirely).

[@olegdusov4273]

For honor is fighing game, but the community of it is not community of a fighting game, its casuls and crybabies. They are spending 0 time in training and playing 4vs4 only. The only problems with raider is his soft feint gb and dodge gb

[@promptwo2716]

in a game like Tekken there are unreactable moves - at that matter, most 2D fighters have extremely unreactable moves.. but most people don't cry against it because the people who are actually dedicated to these games know what they're talking about, and actually know what's best for the game low skilled players in fh are so unable to adapt and it's absurd.

[@thatonecountrythateveryone2118]

BoldAndBrash570 Tekken and For Honor are completely different games,don’t compare them.

[@BlackburnX6]

That's what I wanted to see. Thanks Freeze for that video! 🍻

[@maxneu2186]

says the raider main Kappa