For Honor - The IMPORTANCE of Defender Renown

[@victornguyen1175]

Cue teammates trickling into enemy-capped home point to die over and over, giving the whole enemy team full feat unlocks early into the game. Thanks for this freeze. I really hope at least some folks learn from it.

[@mikebearpig7425]

This.. game started out. Went to homepoint capped it. Helped out teammate at b. He ran to c with little health. The 2 others already died... I went back to homepoint to heal. I could see they would just one by one run to enemy point while 3 were there.. Makes sense if you can stall long enough. But to instantly die 1 by 1... bruf.. No need to say. Lost because at the end it was 4 of them vs me. Cuz i refused to run into 3 enemy players alone

[@skeletalspiders6697]

To be fair, on some level you do need to at minimum contest the point so that they don't just get free points off it the whole game. Feats don't really matter if there is a 700 point gap because the other team has 3 people on their home point and one person has contested it the whole game.

[@woverrinaq8893]

Guys, this also shows that you get renown even if you didnt get the last blow on the enemy, so please stop spamming attacks tryna get the finishing blow to get more renown. It's likely only feeding revenge and doing more harm then good.

[@tequilawhiskey]

Theres always one on your team. Or three.

[@drazixu574]

Heby go brrrr

[@jerec1267]

@@drazixu574 I wish it were hebys, Valks light light sweep go brrrt

[@Jcorella]

Top Heby

[@cobrazrt6006]

I love the breaking feature in games where you're out of reinforcements and you're entire team gets to do a final stand but can no longer respawn i wish more games did that instead of just instantly losing/winning

[@TheEMan621]

I've always loved how it says in capital letters "S T A N D A N D F I G H T"

[@jacobknitter80]

Titanfall 2 had something similar, when one team wins the loosing team has an extraction ship fly in and they can try to escape while the winners try and destroy the ship before it can leave, it was more fun than everything just coming to a sudden end

[@coastalalpaca852]

Titanfall 1 did the same and it blew my mind

[@Sarahsqueak]

@@jacobknitter80 honestly made losing more fun than winning, really good idea

[@rossalbane7743]

Control on Cold War does that in a way

[@finnsen1771]

why doesn't the game teach us about things like this? This is like a realy important thing to know.

[@mcnuffin1208]

Ubi knows Freeze will just take care of it

[@SparkyTheWise]

@@mcnuffin1208 at this point they should just hire him. I mean, we’re all so used to it. I’m pretty sure some guys at Ubisoft watch these vids anywho.

[@Sk0lzky]

It kinda does though, it's all in the log. It doesn't teach us specific values for kills or boosting either, hell, it doesn't even include "boosting" mechanic in tutorials, but it does show everything in the ui

[@jtr4256]

@@SparkyTheWise They kinda did hire him for a bit. Look at Ubisoft Gameplan. He made a whole bunch of hero summaries for them.

[@FIREDEATHDAN]

people barely play the objective everyone might as well play deathmatch

[@DanteSuper95]

You are telling me that heavy characters, made for defending and getting assists (according to the game last time i checked) get less renown than vanguards?

[@SergeantTittyfist]

Assassins like Glad and Shaman that are made to gank also get the worst renown possible for assists. The entire renown system is massively outdated.

[@Gorecatto]

I always thought vanguard got more against minions , heavies for contesting a point , assassins for kills/assist and hybrid a middle ground for everything

[@vodkalover4204]

@@Gorecatto they've changed it now heavies too get more renown for killing minions

[@titosfilippotis7039]

Very helpful stuff as always. Keep it up Freeze

[@xzNightCrawlerzx]

I didn't understand that after a 30+ days in dominion until now, thank you freeze.

[@unknownboar5003]

I’ve been playing the game for a year and this is the first time I’m learning about this

[@vextay7199]

thank you for finally covering this, the amount of randoms I find in Dom that feed is insane, I hope those people will learn from this

[@matejroch8963]

Wow... this is a game changer for me now that I know this. This is really important thing to know. Thank you.

[@jimmypints]

5 renown for assassins looooool

[@maxvitor7023]

To unlock the 4 feats as an assassin you must be really popping off. While as Vanguard you can get one in about 20 seconds into the fight 🤣

[@brody8857]

@@maxvitor7023 yep I really hate this. Many many games I don’t get my t4 feats while when I play someone else I can get them after the first team fight

[@toro6466]

@@brody8857 Then learn how to be a team player

[@toro6466]

@M9dno wow, its almost as if assassins need to assassin objectives

[@toro6466]

@M9dno Woaaah, its almost as if the vanguard and heavy classes are designed to protect objectives, crazy how ubi designed their game right?

[@ReggieTheCaracal]

Assasins in general got shorter stick on everything. Usually less range , "fast" attack are not fast enough, reflex guard(lmao imagine guard that dissapears after first hit hit of shaolin zone and then you have to refresh it , still catch people not knowing how to fight against it), renown gain being well... questionable and not to mention deflects that's are still to this day broken and can't be ever fixed due to s. Assassins rn are a mess of a "class".

[@sulrynhlaalu3785]

They really need to rework the dominion renown gain.

[@sorakazama7031]

This is why deathballs are a problem in Solo que. I tell people all the time but no one listens and then we have to deal with firebombs and shields alot earlier than usual.

[@Dr.Happy11]

The way the renown system is divided between classes is so blatantly unfair, it's not even a meme anymore. This and reflex guard should have been addressed for years now. And somehow there are more players that ask for random shit like enhanced lights for warden instead of changes that will actually benefit the health of the game. I suppose, if ubi decided to swap the renown and guard systems of assassins with the other classes for a day just to troll us, 98.3% of pancake flippers, buttheaders and shouldermen would suddenly find the game "unplayble", and either acknowledge the problem or leave the game. Win-win I'd say.

[@torrentarrow9097]

They need to desperately rework renown gain especially for assassins

[@toro6466]

Bruh

[@SoulCrushing]

Hurray, another reason to hate the attacker order. Ill add it to my list.

[@awolcorndog1692]

When Ace threw his trident🤣 “Man I’m done with this shit” energy

[@andreamazzamurro2691]

Wouldn't it be better if also attacking a point rewarded the same amount of renown? You get the surplus if you survive in your zone AND if you correctly capture an enemy's one. I think Destiny has a similar mechanic in "control": kill an enemy while standing on your controlled area, get a "super" bonus; viceversa, kill an enemy who is on his captured zone, get the same bonus

[@andreamazzamurro2691]

And also, make FH renown equal amongst all class

[@CaptDuty491]

I like the defender renown reward because it rewards players that defend a point while punishing weak minded players that constantly attack an unnecessary point and feeding renown to the enemy. That's what I like about For Honor, strong minded players can punish weak minded players for their idiocy in say spamming one move predictably or go to a point with 4 people. While yes, you may lose to idiots sometimes, you can learn from these fight to see why you lost and improve yourself while the idiots celebrate their short victory.

[@Jorary209]

See this is the type of stuff that many people don't know. Granted I play majority heavy/ heavy hybrid type heroes so I found this out through the class, but its something that should be explained through the game in more detail, not found out.

[@sebimanea9919]

freeze the all knower

[@joyce_rx]

8:06 Game winning fork

[@VyRl_Jetstream]

Barak’s warlord is terrifying

[@undertaker9956]

So you mean if i am going to die its better to die outside the zone??

[@halfcarnage6259]

pretty much yes

[@halfcarnage6259]

pretty much yes

[@m_hall]

As someone that mainly plays assassins, these renown numbers need to be updated to make for a more balanced system.

[@toro6466]

Why lol? You're an assassin, not a defender, how would assassins getting the same ammount of renown as heavy/hybrids/vanguards make any sense?

[@m_hall]

@@toro6466 I'm not arguing they need the same amount for defending, perhaps they get the bonus for defeating a defender on their own zone. As it currently stands, assassins don't gain renown as quickly as all other heros and it's drastically noticable.

[@toro6466]

@@m_hall The renown gain on opossite zone makes sense and would be a cool mechanic actually, oh well, see you in 3 years when they start testing it on the t-grounds

[@unknowingreaper6556]

Kensei has ice skates in the beginning.

[@SomeOne-wl6wp]

Its good and all but I play with honor. I dont play for points... I play For ónor ! If play Raider or shaman I play for pain but thats different.

[@M5YUILL]

Oh my god it’s shared no wonder snowball defense occurs.

[@br-1z_1z]

2:49 oh please don't say that there's so many games where all my teammates sit on one zone and fight in it so we get absolutely no points

[@seva7792]

I love your vids man :3

[@coveherbert6035]

I realize this is an old video but I’m kinda curious, is the renown gain for defending a point better than just keeping the enemy off your point so it can still generate score?

[@john_wack]

good stuff

[@MacCarell]

Genius fucking design as always

[@teinmeizeshi5209]

So, if we want to improve assassin renown gain, we could give them bonus 25 renown for getting a kill on a contested zone.

[@hawaiianperson85]

Opinions on single pick/ban system?

[@RafaelSantos-pi8py]

Right, but you don't win dominion by unlocking your feats, you do so by gaining points. Contesting a camp denies points to the enemy so as long as you last long enough its worth to stall in a contested enemy point.

[@fkkfreeze]

Sure, you go and show me how you win that next tourney with your "strategy" of gaining points. I'm waiting.

[@MetalMouth54321]

i'm sure your tune will change as soon as you die and now the enemy defender has a stalwart banner, or a fire flask, or phalanx, or staggering blow, or a spear storm, or umbral shelter, or corruption blast, or infection, or last laugh, or any other powerful T4 feats i might've missed

[@fkkfreeze]

Watch again.

[@theguy9041]

Noted

[@TheGuySheTellsYouNotToWorryAbt]

Hi freeze

[@grizgoespostal7402]

can't wait for people to be foreheads about this and just run away from perfectly winnable team fights

[@Sarahsqueak]

are you a caster?

[@fkkfreeze]

nope, why?

[@sunset4079]

Just 3 comments sadge 4 with mine

[@sunset4079]

Bro raider needs a buff

[@unknownboar5003]

How come? I think raider is fine.

[@sunset4079]

@@unknownboar5003 nah I just said it because funny but he's not that great tbh in low and mid yeah but if someone has a crushing counter you are just fucked or is someone like conqu

[@CallMeMark231]

Fucking renown system needs to go. Just make it standardised already

[@undertaker9956]

Bro raider needs buff

[@michaelbrando6278]

No doubt. He lacks viable offense & has no pressure whatsoever.

[@undertaker9956]

@@michaelbrando6278 i main him its Hard to win agienst conq or BP on console

[@lifewasgiventous1614]

Raider seems fine to me

[@daytes4528]

Shinobi needs one more than him

[@kingLorshi]

Yeah, raider is cool, I hope he goes into a testing grounds at some point

[@FullAdDariusBR]

Useless video for the majority (not for me, 90% of the times I'm at defensive side and making rotation), those people just gank. Every single game have at least 1 Shugoki, Warlord, Raider and/or Warmonger. I don't mind having those characters in casual games, but when one of them have 2 seconds of armor in a grab attack soft feint, 36 damage external unblockable heavy and dumb knock down feat 4, other have Fury flask and 38 damage unblockable zone, other have Fury flask as well, Super armor on a charge attack and a stupid stamina damage on wall splats (I have no complains about Warmonger), getting ganked by a high lvl closed team becomes extremely unbalanced. Most of the times players just go for kills, they take the point and go to the other to gank again.

[@Lantheros]

All of this sounds like very bad design mechanics to me.

[@BobbyBorito]

das war mir absolut nicht klar aber es erklärt einiges, finde es nur wieder mal fragwürdig warum die Klassen verschieden viele Punkte erhalten. Naja

[@halfcarnage6259]

Because Fuck Assassins! am I right ubi?

[@senseikensei7470]

Freeze I gotta say. I'd love to see a bit more of the human side of you bud. You ain't a robot built to talk about the balance of the game. Informing us is important, but I'd love to hear your preference on some of the more lighthearted stuff; like fashion for example.

[@lorddem1659]

Bruh. I've been begging for a Reaction video for years and is not coming pepeHands

[@senseikensei7470]

@@lorddem1659 Keep commenting. If he sees the demand, we can pressure him to do stupid shit just like we pressure Ubi to do stupid shit.

[@lorddem1659]

@@senseikensei7470 Actually I teased him in Discord to make an April Fools "Honorable" Dominion guide but he didn't bite. pepeHands

[@darryltaylor1796]

Man that commentary was dead with no emotion. Not exciting at all

[@fkkfreeze]

Sorry for not yelling in your ear

[@darryltaylor1796]

@@fkkfreeze oh man. I have so much respect for you. Honestly. Watched your vids for years. But a tad criticism in your way. And damn you act like a kid.

[@darryltaylor1796]

Nor did I say it was solely about you either

[@fkkfreeze]

Well, it seemed like a weird criticism. This is just a few people in a VC talking about the game. This was never intended as some commentary or anything. It's fine if you didn't enjoy it, no worries.

[@darryltaylor1796]

@@fkkfreeze ah okay. Fair comment and that does make sense Freeze. No offence intended. I would LOVE to hear you in that commentator capacity though particularly with your knowledge and analysis