[For Honor] Warden Rework - (Subtitles Available)

[@troysawh7718]

This 15 min of mege talking is more intelligent and helpful for a rework than the "months of testing" our devs put into the reworks

[@veakira1620]

I need a Warden rework rn.

[@nikolaskyriakou7212]

I agree

[@charleyfredrickson5660]

CryoFx we all do

[@nikolaskyriakou7212]

They already did to orochi peacekeeper kensey and others they should do or to warden

[@m1sz3lpl24]

I would love to see some moves based off halfswording longsword technics, pomel strikes, takedowns etc. Would fit nicely for unblockables

[@Jeff-bk8vh]

M1SZ3L pl can we end them rightly?

[@Tacticaviator7]

Just give him appollyon's side unblockable and soft faint.

[@clementcachico5240]

+ Paweł Kuźmiński A little bit faster to be viable but yeah, it's a good idea... Because Appolyon's a pretty predictable overall so...

[@nickbutler9831]

Jeff Lol xD do you know who started that meme

[@aviereus9490]

*watches skallagrim once* yeah ik stuff about swords

[@stone8795]

It would be nice to see the Warden have a stunning ability. Raider has stunning tap, Kensei has pommel strike, so it would make sense for Warden to have one as well.

[@Mege92]

Nice catch, indeed it'd make sense! :)

[@CodenameMood]

Ubisoft removes shoulder bash Reddit breaks records.

[@willfinch4080]

Warden has some of the best customisation in the game, I'd love to play him more than I currently do but his kit is so one dimensional at the moment

[@zachbaird2851]

That's my problem with him. I used to really enjoy Warden back in Season 1, but as I became better it became really unfulfilling to play with him. I ended up moving into Raider.

[@toyosuba]

13:45 I agree with that. People forget that the 3 vanguards are technically meant to be the starter heros also, not just Warden. Which is why they are unlocked when u first boot up the game. They kind of already broke that rule with the Kensei rework though, so still making Warden basic after his rework would be pointless imo. Some don't pick him up after the tutorial anyways.

[@onlyicedgarrett7791]

Maximus Gankimus Actually, Kensei is pretty easy. He just has lots of soft feint options. The skill is in making the reads and mixups

[@Sauronyx]

This would be exactly what Warden needs. Taking ideas from Apollyon's moves and expanding on them along with Warden's base kit. It adds a load of choices and variety that would be good for new players and veterans, keeping Warden at a good position in both low and high tier play.

[@vitaneon]

Softfeinted heavy into bash...really nice idea i also agreed with 500ms side lights and i really think Blinding Strike should be a new move for warden since the fighting style of this hero is fitting the Guard Strike to the opponent, Stab charge remind me POLLON's moveset ;D Anyway! Gj keep it up!

[@C1umsyJester]

I really think warden needs apolyons stab. Such a cool move and really deserves to be in the game

[@perspicacioussimpleton7288]

Vita Idk, the softfwint into bash would be just like Kensei’s pommel strike.

[@clementcachico5240]

+ Francisco Del Coro That should be made differently of course but yeah... That's the idea... Also both other Vanguard heros have a move that stun the ennemy (Kensei's Pommel strike and or Guard Break and Raider Pommel Strike). So just for that, Warden should have one too to stay in the tune you know ? Just like all Tanks have a lot of HP or all assassin have side attack after a dodge/ a dash.

[@perspicacioussimpleton7288]

cachico clement Good point.

[@enlight_8360]

Vita. You keep it up too bro👍🤜

[@HighDarkDragon]

I agree on everything you said, but I would add two more things. 1=Crushing Counterstrike on all directions, like Highlander, with nerfed attack power but still able to chain it in Shoulder Bash. 2=Hyper Armor on the top heavy. All of this combined would make Warden finally fun to play ;)

[@awesomearsam1890]

DivineDragon I agree with number 2 but nomber 1, they gave it to highlander becasue he's slow and has a big ass sowrd that would make sense to have it on all directions. but on warden it's just too much

[@mightymilkman]

DivineDragon and reduce the damage to 25-30 dmg

[@mightymilkman]

Actually 20-25 seems much more balanced

[@oritkorin2165]

this reworked warden idea would be so amazing!!!

[@nickbutler9831]

I think warden should have 3 stances. Stance 1 , normal sword mode. Stance 2, halfswording. Warden grabs half way up his blade and focuses more on thrusts and his guard break is a bash with the guard , does minor stamina damage and blinds the opponent for a few seconds. Stance 3 , mordhau or hammer strike. Warden grabs the blade and flips his sword so it becomes a pseudo warhammer. The attacks from this stance will be slow , unblockable, but cost an extreme amount of stamina to use

[@marcuss4697]

I really wish someone on the dev team had your ideas lol. Really, if they just watched this video and copy-pasted everything it'd probably be fine. Really well thought out stuff, Mege.

[@Mege92]

Thank you man :)

[@tailender2708]

This sounds legit amazing! Can tell you really thought into it and made it seem as good but yet counterable as possible! 10/10

[@lk5732]

Loved the idea, hope the devs get some inspiration from this video. The only problem with the video overall was that the gameplay was so good i couldn't focus on what you were saying hahaha. Great work!

[@Mege92]

ahahah :) ty!

[@illidanstormrage1205]

This reworked will actually made warden more of a swords play heroes which is good rather than just vortex the opponent

[@Nekracyst]

I can tell you've put a lot of thought into this rework Mege. I would really these changes to be implemented, it would DEFINITELY be a good start.

[@lbdjdjdbend]

Pls start working at Ubisoft, everything u said sounds way better than devs could ever make.

[@pack_alpha2261]

I absolutely love these ideas WE NEED THIS! PLZ UBI. IM ON MAH KNEES HERE.

[@lucasrv2630]

Gorth 35 PLEASE UBI CMON

[@pack_alpha2261]

_Vinternatt _ Yes man.

[@alkapaz2235]

Love these ideas! Great video mege

[@redmantic1633]

Warden: There's worse heroes in the game that need a rework that can't cancel there unblockable bash. Raider: Definitely needs more options but, is still viable. Kensai: He's in a good place since his rework. Conquerer: Don't even play enough of them to even know. Warlord: Still pretty good, definitely wouldn't say it's high priority to rework him. Shugoki: He's at the top of the list for heroes who actually NEED a rework Peacekeeper: Why did they not increase her stamina and bleed damage after the rework Beserker: hyper armor it EXTREMELY strong on assassins Orochi: He should've got his damage lowered along with a slight cool down between some of his attacks from storm rush Lawbringer: he's in a good place Valkeryie: Up on the list of heroes who NEED a rework Nobushi: Don't play enough people who play her Centurion: people actually defend this hero saying he's not OP when he confirms roughly 60% damage off a simple wall splat Highlander: not more or less Shinobi: This man needs a rework after being wrongfully nerfed in the first place. Why doesn't his front flip unblockable bash cause a wall splat? Gladiator: Just me or this guy's forward dash attack skip frames? Shaman: Busted character thats needs more nerfs Imo Aramusha: another hero who people just don't play enough of One of the biggest problems Imo of this game especially in team modes, are moves that you're animation locked in. Shugoki's demon embrace, Shinobi's sickle rain, centurions lion pounce, shaman's pouncing attacks whatever the Fucks that called. All these if done you are stuck in the animation to which the other team can just whale on you and the animation won't be broken. If you get GB and you counter you stuck in the occurring animation and vulnerable to get hit. Just to name a few

[@gibmeleclercplz6025]

Great! Im glad you try to make some place to talk about realistic warden rework.

[@yungmalaria]

I gotta disagree with some points, but not for specific technicalities. First thing I gotta talk about is the zone, I don’t know if the FH devs originally intended zones to clear minions either, but I think warden zone is not appropriate his position as an vanguard. Vanguards in my opinion are supposed to be “gankspankers”, and the recovery and hit box of his zone doesn’t represent that. It plays out more like warlord or orochis zone in practice, but with even worse recovery, you waste so much time in revenge after using zones in revenge. And I know somebody is gonna be like “hur dur” you target swap with shoulder bash, but it’s honestly unreliable in that regard, he needs a better aoe attack imo. I’m all for the idea of warden getting rid of vortex, my solution was to just give him a better neutral bash, but I honestly like your idea better. Ultimately I agree with your overall concept of warden needing to move away from the passive playstyle and the “easy” character. I literally sigh every time I get a heavy parried by warden “like wow congrats dude, you can parry heavies, time to eat a bar of damage and roll away”. It’s so fucking boring I don’t know how anyone can find anything fulfilling in their experience as warden as a character (and this is coming from a guy who’s mained warlord since release). But I hope you have the loudest voice in the screaming shitfests that are rework suggestions. Because half the time it’s just people talking about “hur dur I wanna opener on LB hur dur”, like sure just give LB a warlord headbutt, that will fix the turtling!!!!!1!!11!! I really, really want fighting characters like LB and warden not to be a headache, they did it with kensei and conq (conq is a headache for different reason now though to be fair), so I hope to see the same with warden and LB because I see them fundamentally as played by the same type of passive players. But good video man, I almost want to redo my warlord rework video to be something more coherent like this.

[@pododododoehoh3550]

yung malaria warlord is even more passive than warden, I’m a day one warden main and having watched both our characters fall from glory I think warlord is in just as much of a need of a buff but at-least warden can follow a heavy with a heavy or light with a light, warlords the most predictable son of a bitch their is these days. Sb is very rewarding if you get good with it as it’s all about figuring out your opponents patterns and double light of a heavy parry is hardly a big whoop when over half the assassins can do that too.

[@yungmalaria]

Pododododo Ehoh I honestly disagree, even the highest level warlord turtles will attempt a heavy from neutral or from a light chain, I don’t think I’ve seen a character typically played more passive besides warden and LB. Warlord actually used to be a well-rounded hero where warden has always lacked depth really outside of canceling you SB and baiting for crushing counter. But yeah neither of them are as effective as they used to be, but that will hopefully change for the better.

[@pododododoehoh3550]

yung malaria true but what depth did warlord ever have, their is literally no reason for a high level warlord to throw a raw heavy from neutral.

[@andreapettinato8275]

Blade Ponds Lol Lawbringer needed a rework much more than warden

[@Mr_Triscuit]

Andrea Pettinato I should slap the hell out of you for that lie, he doesn't need it even close to as much as Warden. His need is half of a rework is half that of Warden's, maximum.

[@darthpasta3056]

I'm a warden main since the beginning and this is the first recommendation for warden rework that looked very good. Good job man

[@dragonguy5218]

Sad thing is that lawbringer,warden and warlord are 3 of the most borderline infurating opponents to fight if one doesnt have an opener,and at the same time lawbringer gets completly stumped by anyobody with a bash I would love to see warden as the master with a longsword,utilizing diffrent guards for diffrent attributes Lawbringer as being a man that could truly use his armor to his advantage to trade and bash through opponents without fear of a gust of wind knocking him on his ass non stop

[@berkayt5319]

Without vortex how we will pressure the enemy while he has no stamina?

[@Mege92]

Leaving a heart because this comment actually leads to an interesting answer. When the opponent is OOS Warden has a sort of “vortex”. If he connects SB he can use blinding strike followed by a light. Now, since the opponent is OOS, even if they block the light, warden can still chain into SB, as Oos guard didn’t interrupt light attacks!

[@berkayt5319]

Mege oh didn't notice that. I agree with all your opinions mege, I hope we will read your post as a patch note in the future.

[@rishurajsingh9079]

He still can't.

[@kingspade461]

Mege Or what if Stab Charge could down an OOS opponent (kinda like cents light into grab). This could create an crazy 50/50 where they either guess the stab charge and dodge SB or they guess wrong and warden feints into GB. So its either a 55 damage or Wardens GB throw with whatever the new max punish would be. I don't think the side and top heavy should be max punish on throw. Just top heavy.

[@zachbaird2851]

Excellent answer

[@deepfyre9727]

Hey Mege! I think you did a fantastic job on this video, your ideas are very realistic and a good thing for warden to have in the future. I think you could start a series on the rework ideas for other heroes as well(not all the time of course). Anyways, I'm a big fan of your content and I can't wait to see if your ideas actually get implemented into the game. Well done, keep up the good work!

[@swiftelbow2743]

Wardens are ment to be master swordsman yet he doesn't really do much in the way of sword play I'd like to see something that makes him more of a swordsman and not a rugby player! Great re Work idea mege!

[@lucasrv2630]

周开鸿 the Worst rework? Master samurai? Still with no openings in PC and having to rely on a light follow to get damage? They Just made him fast. No complexity at all.

[@lucasrv2630]

周开鸿 in case of Orochi, it's just the same hero. No "OP" at all. And PK can still be played in the same way as before. Just with a bit less damage, wich was not the strong part. The Hope is that they *actually* Rework heroes, and not just pretend they did by adding slightly faster moves. This "rework" Just made things worse in all senses. With Zerk they actually made the Turtle meta the only way to fight against and Kensei can be interupted in all of his new moves by any 500ms atack. They can't administrate the characters we already have. Adding more of them just makes it more worrying and harder to believe they'll actually be able to properly balance the characters.

[@lucasrv2630]

周开鸿 let's wish together! It's the only solution

[@guillermoferrerrevilla945]

Really hope they take this into account because it sounds awesome yet incredibly balanced.... great gob mege

[@Mege92]

Thanks man!

[@promptwo2716]

Really awesome video Mege! Hopefully at least some of this stuff comes to warden, it'll definitely spice things up and make him more fun to play.

[@Nivomandasrail]

I feel like if/when they rework warden they won’t put nearly as much effort into it as you’re suggesting in this video. Maybe I’m just being too pessimistic but I don’t have very much faith in the devs of this game.

[@Mege92]

I respect and have faith in the devs, and maybe they'll do something better than this :)

[@C1umsyJester]

I don’t think reworks need to make characters the best the game has to offer, but I do think they have to make characters fun to play against and to play with and I think this does both very well

[@TurkOglu1990]

Hope this rework comes true Mege he really needs it indeed.

[@albertonavarra7033]

I hope that Ubisoft will listen your ideas are simply fantastic

[@giovanniperfetti5283]

I've already read your reddit post before seeing this video, either way, I love everything about this suggestions especially the new moves. I've sadly fallen out of love of Warden but still wish to play him, any of these changes would keep him as the "tutorial character" and make him fun to play

[@lucasrv2630]

Very good ideas, Mege. It still keeps the Warden a simple character, keeping the Vanguard status intact, but giving him some complexity to his neutral game and taking the vortex out. It also ads to his character with Warden's Valor: a movement in wich Warden's cold skilled style gets overthrown by his emotions and will to battle! It basically substitutes in a much more interesting way the charged SB free top Heavy! I'm absolutely on par and think this would make him more Warden than the Warden se already have ;).

[@nathantaufer9682]

I like this rework idea. it gives him options and keeps the same focus somewhat. I feel like we would need to work out some things like animations cues and that type of stuff but this is overall positive.

[@Sloster]

Honestly, this could work really well

[@Mege92]

Glad you like the idea!

[@feldushgiggles3536]

Could this be my main g sloster

[@Sloster]

Feldûsh Giggles Probably

[@brandonlangston7771]

I don’t use warden all the time but I’ve always liked the style of the warden nothing but a good player behind this character

[@zkami9522]

Ubi get this man on your team! But in all seriousness this is a creative and yet very amazing idea for a rework. Not only does it add more variation to warden but suits him perfectly. Well explained mege!

[@cherryrook8684]

I really like your idea! Love the new SB you got making it less obnoxious and more fun for the warden

[@kevinlippincott3821]

I love this idea. A "complete" rework isn't what I was thinking at first but when you explained it, it all made sense. Ubisoft, please take some notes for the warden rework. I would love to see this idea see the light of day.

[@PeinceScott]

Started maining Warden 'cause of you and learned a lot from you. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos. rework is needed yes, and I do agree with most of the things u say but I'd like you think about that shouting move you mentioned. Although it might seem like a good idea but we already have enough unblockables. Ganking and fighting multiple people at the same time is annoying enough without that :D but I do agree that shinobi is a problem (not only for warden) and something has to be done to it. Everything else...perfection. I'd like to see ubi take these ideas into consideration. Love you man. Keep up the good work

[@Mege92]

Thanks man :) I'll be honest, I always wanted Warden to have an unblockable of sort. He has a longsword with no unblockables, but stuff like Shaman and Zerk do? :D ahahah I think the move would be pretty interesting and cool, but I respect your opinion and can see where you're coming from :)

[@tapmaster6136]

These ideas are so awesome that when it got me pumped to play my Warden main I was suddenly disappointed with how little awesome he should have. XD

[@jon_ovo3653]

Give warden Apollyon grab and stab

[@mylezfrazier814]

I think these are great ideas and would love to see my man warden finally get some love.

[@LastoftheOrder]

Completely agree. The sad thing is, I pitched almost EXACTLY the same changes/additions to Warden's kit back during the beta of the game. I wish we'd get the rework the Warden deserves already...

[@TheJumpManiac]

Honestly, on the Warden's Valor thing, I'd say change it up a bit to be similar to Apollyon's unblockable side attack, though without the SB charge. Have it something like, the Warden dodges forward or backwards, and can do the one handed overhead (dealing around 35 to 40 damage) that she uses against you when you're fighting her with Orochi in the last mission of the campaign, and is able to be chained into a second heavy from that in any direction (recovery from getting hit by the first would be long enough so that the second would be able to be blocked, but not quite enough time to parry outside of characters with hyper armor active when they get hit by the first), or dodge to the side and get the unblockable side heavy to deal 50 damage, with any chain being slightly delayed, similar to Nobushi's side dodge attack into kick, where there's a good second or two between when the dodge attack connects and when she can throw a kick from it.

[@xfallinxscoobyx9386]

Omg these ideas can possibly actually work just have to make it work lol and the stab charge is from Apollyon lol 😆 great 👍 choice/ idea

[@AlejandroPerez-jt9ws]

Thank you, if you guys make him more agresive I will not stop playing with him. You have my like.

[@UberWolf9]

Love the soft feinting shoulder bash/heavies idea. Brilliant.

[@Mege92]

Thanks man!

[@perspicacioussimpleton7288]

I hope Ubisoft is watching this. These, with a couple of adjustments, could be guides to the Holy Grail.

[@sheahon1179]

I would switch the damage values of stab charge and blinding strike because it doesn’t make sense for light attacks to do more damage than heavies. Warden’s Valor is an interesting idea but might need adjusting but is very interesting! I would love this as a Warden change!

[@Mege92]

Thanks for the comment! I understand what you mean, but Orochi's new Riptide strike (a light) does more damage than his Storm rush (an heavy) :) I think something similiar also applies to Lawbringer's light riposte/impaling riposte The thing with stab charge is that it can confirm more damage with the right situation :)

[@lemackonkeyconk]

Think of the stab charge of lawbringer, it is a heavy but does less damage than his lights

[@funkydunkas101]

It's 15 because if you use it right you can wall splat and get a top heavy for 40

[@keldia8127]

This is awesome, my first thought was also make side lights faster! I thought that alone would help a lot.

[@blackfurio2381]

shoulder bash should be like grab of lawbringer : when it don't work you can punish it [ And maybe they should put some unblockable attacks on warden]

[@sheepdog4717]

I love it Mege!!

[@Jirasu]

I love all the sounds of these changes. I was just gonna say just give him the ability to SB off of heavies and add a couple new attack chains and call it a day, but all these sound nice. Broken or too powerful? Who knows, but they sound SUPER interesting as well.

[@fatfinger1013]

I like warden the way he is I've played over 2000 hours with orochi and after rework I wont play orochi anymore if they do rework warden I hope they don't mess him up like they did orochi nobody wants to spam lights

[@serballista]

All sounds about right honestly. I genuinely think this should be implemented as Warden's rework, seeing that it actually all makes legitimate sense and works with the rest of the cast's move sets and can't really be considered too little or too much. All we need as Warden mains now is another one hit kill glitch, because we deserve a little more sugar like that lol.

[@imdatdudefrfr4225]

Mege this is wonderful I love your idea

[@hazardous0887]

This would make warden so much more fun to play again

[@Mege92]

Remember subtitles are available if you've troubles with my pronunciation (or just check the description for a written version of this in the reddit post!) Throughout the video I reference some other animations etc. I'm leaving links to them here! (careful, for some reason they're very loud on my end) *End them Rightly first Part:* ytcropper.com/cropped/uv5b02ce904e526 *Apollyon's Stab Charge:* ytcropper.com/cropped/da5b0531decf8bf *Warden's first trailer's "Charge":* ytcropper.com/cropped/y15afa1da3e32f2

[@Alexioriful]

This idea of rework is good ! I don't play warden but it seems very fair ! It could be very cool if you do more of this videos: you pick a character and you tell us about how do you think the hero can be reworked ! :D

[@sloppysides7186]

8:15 so its apollyons annoying charge unblockable basically????

[@sloppysides7186]

Oh sorry just saw on 9:35 you mention it

[@noahrogers9031]

Thank you mege finally someone agrees warden needs a rework he’s my main and so easy to figure out and beat

[@456hubso]

I mean sure, if my Roach finally got some love, it's time to show some love to the Warden. I really like this concept ^ ^

[@maxbubba66]

Very interesting ideas. Sounds fair and should make Warden less predictable. Nice video, thanks a lot.

[@josiahsawyer980]

I honestly like warden how he is now just because I’m used to him. That being said I wouldn’t mind changes to make him better as long as they weren’t too difficult to adapt to

[@ryuhayabusa9953]

This is a rework way overdue and needs to be done. I’ve been a warden main since season 1 (Rep 32) and I think this is exactly what he needs.

[@manners4065]

- Blinding strike idea is neat, but it should be a heavy start-up soft feint (like shaman's) that can chain into a SB instead of being a SB mix-up. - Side heavy start-up into SB is absolutely *brilliant* , and I think that side heavies (not the SB) should have hyper armor because of that. - Heavy charge thingy should be more like centurion's charged heavy and can only be initiated after a successful SB, since it can ledge and wall splat. - The thing where you can run at someone with a 500 ms, 50 damage top unblockable heavy is a little absurd, so that's a no, but the charged SB should give warden an unblockable top heavy that does something like that. - I was thinking that since Warden has such a hard time catching up to assassins and such, his zone should reworked so that there is a start-up animation that gets you close to your opponent (like a charge) and then you can choose to feint or cancel it or throw the zone from the left or right guards, this will allow you to catch up to your opponent while your opponent can react more easily to your "OP" zone. - Since SB would have insane mix-up potential because of all this stuff, I think it should take half or a third of your total stamina each time you use it to make spam more difficult. P.S. the damage tuning in the video should also apply to the rework. That's pretty much it, good ideas, Mege!

[@astartes7313]

Sounds atcually pretty balanced i hope the devs take a look at this on the sub reddit

[@anotherraingr]

I hope the for honor devs see this vid, it will be awesome...btw the warden's valor sound to know that he is coming should be like when warden jumps on you from like a tower and 1 shots you, basically his manly scream... Good ideas though, i am loving them Edit: I shared them in twitter

[@ΚαζαντζίδηςΝικόλαος]

If half of these changes were to be made i would jump once again in the Miserum hype train

[@joeedz8004]

This is a perfect rework. Being a warden main myself (rep 12) I think Warden deserves is. Not just because he is underpowered but he is quite boring now!

[@tomhughes9297]

you can't judge a rework if its for your main since you'll always be biased. Fuck loads of buffs aint a rework pal

[@ezrasalazar6995]

CreD VorteX he actually needed all I had to do against the roach is block up and right

[@Vodka_Reloaded]

Tom Hughes I main a Cent and Valk. I agree Warden needs some help. He's underwhelming, much like the old Valk, but with a bit more damage. His kit is too easy to read at times and he seems limited in the current position. I think he needs some love to keep up at this point

[@teamextreme334]

I need a law bringer re work.

[@Mege92]

Yes he needs one too!

[@FatherLaw]

james merrell I hope so, make him better

[@razorback4437]

If they give lawbringer a GOOD rework, I'll be clapping cheeks with him even more. I DARE ubi to give him faster heavies/lights or soft feints. Plz don't take away the shove tho.

[@KhavostovRasputin]

I don't man the lawbringer has a pretty decent move set especially his unbkockabes if anything the could amp up his attack speed

[@FatherLaw]

Hellraiser Gaming That's how I feel lmao, I can only imagine how I'd do with soft feints. Or hyper armor.

[@prierepanda2186]

As a Warden main, I still hope that the vortex will stay and won't suffer major changes. And seeing the new rework and how dev tried to give more options but never to actually nerf some things (PK nerf were only dammage, they didn't remove any mecanics), I think it won't.

[@beefstrokinoff]

Really like the idea, but I also feel as if he needs different openers. You still have to depend on a 50/50 and it's just not something I like in the game. Sometimes you win as warden just because of your 50/50 guesses, sometimes you lose to a warden because of the 50/50 guesses. That's skilless and I'd like to see no dependance on a 50/50

[@Mege92]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I personally feel like 50/50s actually do take quite some skill in the mind-games factor! Sure, Warden can force a reaction, but if you guess correctly he gets punished all the same. Some examples: - regular SB->side dodge and GB - feint into Gb->light attack - charged bash (or warden's valor in this case)->either wait and parry or side dodge and GB After all the only way offense can be viable in this game is either through mixups such as this, or very fast/hard to react attacks, that I don't think fit Warden's theme :)

[@beefstrokinoff]

Mege I agree with you that in the rework you suggested it would be much more skill based and more like a mix-up than a coin flip like it is now. I just don't know, I'm a rep 12 Warden which is my highest and I feel like sometimes I win because my opponent guessed poorly and it makes the win feel cheap.I could just be wrong, but I like the idea over all. One thing I feel could help this rework is if you add Highlander-like Crushing counter on all sides of Warden. Less damage to balance it, more options for warden. Maybe something like 15 damage? I feel he needs just one more slight bonus in this rework and this would be an addition that requires good game sense and timing.

[@Mege92]

Many people suggest omnidirectional CC, but I think with SB baiting it might be too good.

[@beefstrokinoff]

Mege It definitely might be too much, depending on the rest of the rework. I'm not sure

[@ALPHA-fc5wz]

To be honest I never really saw warden in need of a rework. These rework ideas don’t sound bad either! Thanks for making this video Mege!

[@Mege92]

Glad you like it :) At high level play Warden is very limited and weak sadly! A rework would be great :)

[@ghostly_remains]

I thought I've been subbed this whole time but I was in fact not... I'm sorry Mege, I will now sub

[@GhøstGïrll13]

I really hope Ubi sees this. This is a perfect rework

[@ThePlutoe]

I love these rework changes Mege I love warden but hate fighting all these other hero’s with better move sets with more options then warden.also keep up the great videos

[@themightycaolf6549]

All I want is some non pvp focused activities- like a raid to get better unique gear, and also far warden to have either a proper tabbard or to have an actual metal cuirass.

[@leonlupcke9389]

10:01 "gg - gg? - yes" :D

[@FlipBackXD]

I really hope he gets a rework soon, was my main for the first few months I played but I just had to move on with all of the new characters and only being able to do the same thing every fight

[@BosesHannes]

Really good ideas, great video Mege, I am a Warden main because of you. (I play Gladiator as side main). Greetings from germany.

[@Mege92]

Thank you man, glad to hear that :) greetings!

[@KonfuDude11]

Well, the king has spoken.

[@hagegebo]

I kind of like these changes but if this would come then I want to see a massive GB window on missed SC. I mean that 25 stunning strike to 500ms light is crazy strong from SC. SC has already currently the biggest damage output from all of the dash unblockables and also lot of cancel options and that's what makes it still quite strong. So this would be a huge buff since the ability to chain it actually doesn't have currently hardly any value when not OOS. Also 500ms are fine but you'll have to remember that if you are doing the SC cancel dance all around you already kind of force the enemy to concentrate to the SC rather than where the omnidirectional light is coming from so I'm afraid that this would make him super annoying also. Altogether I always welcome all kind of changes and I would not mind even the Devs would roll in updates to try out even they would not be 100% thought out

[@Sloster]

inb4 re-rework kensei and buff glad next season

[@Tylerthegrappler]

Sloster ? U do realize ken just got a rework

[@Sloster]

Tyler Cates read my comment again, you missed the joke :)

[@cptrankstrail151]

I think this would be a good rework for him.. I like the way you can do multiple things with SB, adding some techniques to the warden style ! Good work mege ! Try to have developers reading this, Maybe they will steal some ideas, instead of just setting lights at 400 ms ( yeah, i'm looking at you orochi ) .

[@Mege92]

Thank you! :) I've already tagged them on a reddit post! Let's also vote the post on reddit up to catch their attention!

[@cocksbizarreadventure9555]

We can finally have peace once again, my warden mains

[@barters1977]

Wow perfect warden

[@reubenross113]

Yeh you make a good point really, warden has always been one of those heros that I never got into, I think mostly because he's quite predictable so he's hard to play as. As one of the base character I still think he deserves a rework like others have had before and I would say I would be more inclined to picking him up again had he had these much better features. And I would like to give orochis a run for their money xD

[@bigdreads14]

Lol Wardens Valor made me laugh when I imagined it but I like your thoughts. All Warden needs is a cape and he’s complete. Can’t wait for his rework

[@kasatimshardnim]

As a warden main I second this and say it's a must give me my rework ubi

[@AlhazredTheMad]

These ideas make me moist. We certainly need changes like this.

[@Drowsie9771]

I would love a warden rework like this bc I normaly play really aggressive and this would be good for me at least💜

[@NicholasKalos_66]

Good video. One thing you could have added was that crushing counter strike should be an option in all directions like the highander.

[@z00ko]

Here’s my rework : Side lights are now 500ms His chained side heavies are 35 and top 40.... the top has hyper armor but the sides are unblockables without hyper armor that can be soft feinted into gbs. His top cant be soft feinted tho. Buff the speed of his heavies in chains too so it really pushes swordplay instead of sb, like highlanders chained top heavy... make wardens top heavy that fast with hyper armor but his sides unblockables that can be soft feinted and are just as quick. This makes him more on swordplay than sb. Make the top heavy track back dodges or side dodge attacks if you get scared of unblockable. Make sb no longer feintable so it’s more of a commitment.... however you can still gb and charged sb tracks dodging characters and only guarantees top heavy if wallsplats and side unblockable chained heavy if it hits without a wall. Make this more rewarding by making it a mindgame thing. If they dodge regular sb then gb will catch them... if they dodge attack then charged sb will track with hyper armor but since it only guarantees 35 dmg it’s not really as good as swordplay Sb now counts as an opener for your chains. So you can sb into side unblockable or top hyper armor. Only top light is guaranteed from sb but can be dodged kinda like lawbringers 50/50 This makes it more mixup oriented instead of cheesy guaranteed dmg. So if someone has been dodging your top light after sb you can throw a top hyper armor or side unblockable both which can be soft feinted into gb. Remember only chained heavies have these properties. Make his side heavies off of neutral do 35 dmg just like chained heavies I think it already does but just to keep consistency. Crushing counter now only 40dmg light and you can flow into your mixups like sb that’s guaranteed but no mixups after sb are guaranteed to work. Basically same property as regular sb. Top light is guaranteed unless they dodge. Make his zone now two parts the first as the animation already is and the second part like another swing just like the first but much slower that you can soft feint into top light or sides therefore it’s a good opener for mixups. And since his kit will be hitting more often drop zone dmg to 15 since the follow up is gonna be really powerful because you can soft feint the second attack into any light direction and then into your mixups. And yes I mean soft feint the second part of his zone. Like a second attack that can then be soft feinted into another attack not just zone into light. Zone into second part of zone that can be soft feinted into light. Emphasis on that. Second part of zone can’t be feinted only soft feinted into lights and since his sides are 500 mms it’ll actually work.

[@jakekao402]

Wow so much group control. Now warden will be the new gank meta

[@AoulThePeerless]

Stai praticamente regalando il lavoro alla ubisoft XD Hai pensato a tutto lo hai reso bilanciato (higlander che applaude)