The $2 Billion AI Startup That Could Replace Coders

[@andyd568]

Sufficiently defining the problem IS the problem. Coding is the easy part.

[@pondeify]

coders don't write requirements; with this tool the business can basically reduce a lot of interaction with coders

[@andyd568]

@@pondeify business users know how to articulate their own needs ? 😅 let's not even get into technical tradeoffs beyond iterations 1.

[@deeplearningpartnership]

It can do both.

[@skarhabekgreyrukh8601]

​@@pondeifywe already have kind of blue print in Unreal engine for them who cannt coding. but in the end its still require some knowledge. coding is not that hard..... design the algorithm is...

[@n-o-i-d]

​@@pondeify tell me you've never worked a day with a client, without telling me you've never worked a day with a client 🤣

[@KitemboX]

If you can replace programmers and engineers you can replace everything.

[@VictorNgugi-yc4rr]

And that won't happen ! AI will come to make work easier not REPLACE

[@suscular]

@@VictorNgugi-yc4rr yeah maybe in the next 5-10 years but it will eventually replace most jobs

[@Sant270]

I doubt AI can fix pipes and build houses at least for now, though if you can replace engineers creating robots smart enough for this jobs to succumb to AI will be a matter of time.

[@KitemboX]

@@VictorNgugi-yc4rr The goal is to replace, I'm a programmer, and If you are a good programmer then AI is currently useless. But these start-ups are not raising billion to help programmers, the goal is to replace. Of course we will still need engineers to maintain and develop the AI's but a lot less than we have today,

[@KitemboX]

@@Sant270 Manual labour will be safe for a bit I believe, but that will disappear faster than something else even if it starts in 10 years.

[@edcew8236]

The problem is not coding, it's writing correct requirements

[@pondeify]

coders don't write requirements, with this tool the business can basically reduce alot of interaction with coders

[@deeplearningpartnership]

Nope.

[@App-Generator-PRO]

I do.

[@user-7I9gdym4j]

I'm a senior software engineer. AI will not be taking over coding, lol.

[@s-code-b]

AI may not be able now to replace the senior-devs but can already be assigned junior-dev tasks. The senior-devs will retire. Will AI be able to fulfill the roles vacated by the senior devs who will retire?

[@user-7I9gdym4j]

@s-code-b Every senior engineer starts out as a junior engineer. AI will not take away junior jobs, but AI will be an assistant.

[@Forcebewithyou594]

@@s-code-b no it can't. It can barely complete low level complex tasks. Try it out. I spend more time ediiting the prompts than coding.

[@s-code-b]

@@Forcebewithyou594 I have tried several free ones. They are not all at the same level, and some seem to have improved over time while others have stayed where they were. Some seem to be more proficient at some language while others in yet others. Some of them also seem to fluctuate. I have not asked them for anything big, like a scaffold worth of code; just chunks, snippets, blocks. The most I would ask of it, if at all, would be for a feature; although some of them can probably cobble together a whole functioning site. But at that scale, the code will likely have issues, which will take time/effort to investigate & will obstruct (destroy) the flow that you may have gotten onto. They seem to me more useful to those like myself who have relatively shallower depth, and useful in multiple ways. They are, for example, good at repeating to the dev patterns of clean code (without the dev specifying clean). They are good at explaining why such is such. I have had to slog through enterprise gumbo before, and what the chatbots spit out to me are a refreshing opposite of that. When the thing is written cleanly, and you ask the bot to explain it, it is a pleasant rumination instead of a dreary experience. But you are right about the 'art' of prompting 😆: it becomes apparent that at times you have to tease the answer you want/need out of the thing in front of you. Overall, I'm glad that they've come along & for their clarity & technically correct form of expression. I am not glad that very many willing devs have had to part with their cohorts, but hopefully that all leads to new adventures for them. I apologize for this screed; it is unanticipated; but the topic is current & interesting. I can picture the frustration with the prompts while you are carrying out real work. Thank you for sharing your insight.

[@robertsonasari6066]

That's what they say!! History has always proved otherwise...

[@jesusruiz5311]

I just spend $13,500 on a coding bootcamp from UCI and graduated. And seeing this honestly depresses me

[@MrNycres]

Bro use those skills to start a high margin low startup cost business.

[@mannopson]

Don’t worry, keep learning. They are bunch of greedy guys, AI maybe replace the coders/programmers, but can’t solve problems.

[@cidhighwind8590]

You spent 13k on a education you can get for free in KZbin.

[@calicoesblue4703]

Yeah my guy, Programmers are going to be replaced by AI but maybe you can use those skillz to become a Electronics Technician. You will need a little programming to program some Ardrino chips & some other small things.

[@ajithav2011]

It is highly unlikely to replace programmers completely. Some software requirements are unique and hard to prompt in. If your tool/ framework is not popular the AI output will be not useable. After this tool writes the code, someone with proficiency will have to verify it. Don't be discouraged, stay up to date and keep learning.

[@ohLyln]

So it’s another openAI wrapper that has a sandbox? This is like the 50th product like this but somehow the most expensive.

[@deeplearningpartnership]

Yes. They''re cooked.

[@mikestems508]

Slap AI on anything and give it a nice UI and investors will make you a millionaire 😂

[@bakerkawesa]

If it's trained on human work, it won't replace human workers.

[@5678plm]

It can not reason, just yet. It is good at pattern recognition and not so good at pattern construction.

[@paeanthotse6778]

​@@5678plmI would wager than if scientists haven't even begun to touch the complexity of the mind, with something simple like dreams, computers are far from going, "Hey, I have an idea" and start trying to implement it.

[@israel5450]

2 billion!, this AI bubble burst would be insane

[@Joshua.Developer]

Yep it's going to hit a legal wall. Whom own these make? You saw that Open AI whistle blower was murdered

[@o__sama]

oh, so this scam is still ongoing, and valued at 2B$! amazing times.

[@danh5637]

Everything featured in Forbes is gonna be a scam.

[@sid4579]

the bubble in AI is actually crazy, time to go cash heavy like Warren Buffet, when the pony games are over the market will correct itself, that's when you invest

[@shantanushekharsjunerft9783]

lol yeah the scam is still on!

[@arturzamba7407]

let see where he is going with that conversation

[@ottowesterlund]

Devin taking 15+ minutes to switch to master branch on Primeagens testing video, meanwhile this guy claims engineers are making 8-12x productivity gains with Devin. Or that majority of Cognitions internal development is done through Devin. Flat out lies, not an ounce of truth in these statements.

[@kwizeragauthier984]

Cursor, Bolt, Windsurf, Lovable, Copilot are already killing it, these guys are pure geniuses at raising so much money, nothing else

[@VincentUghachukwuV]

Agreed

[@maosamoelaabraham5012]

Windsurf is bae LOL

[@UnlceBlazeCode]

You are completely right and the buzz of this one probably come's from it's being backed by Peterr Thiel

[@fehtch1627]

Not exactly, but there is promise!

[@mintoo2cool]

they nailed it with their name and their pitch ... half the VCs are idiots who have no idea about the industry and go with the pitch and their 'gut'.. so not surprising in the least.

[@DuraanAli]

I paid and used Devin and it's nowhere close to replacing developers, it can help but it's frustrating to use.

[@sheldonbradley9401]

20 years in the game as a software engineer. And I play around with a lot of these tools. They are useless when dealing with enterprise level software at that has millions on lines of code etc. It’s just not even close. Maybe one day, but I’m not the least bit concerned about it.

[@GeorgiaMade404]

I’m old enough to remember when someone had “engineer” in their job title, they were actually an engineer. Nowadays everyone is an engineer, even the guy that mop floors

[@kongchan437]

Not to mention those remote class 6 month boot camp "engineer" or youtube self study "engineer" who have no clue the principles and in deth mathematical and computational theories behind software engineering from formal university education...plus, please let us not be sloppy using "engineer" as if those software engineer actually work on the firmware or the microcode or cpu memory bus data transfer etc...who at least know the fundamentals of electrical or computer engineering...application coding specialists or higher level UI designers who just assemble code modules or prebuilt AI agents are not "engineer" , in the sense that they are not licensed & cannot certify or be held liable to defects of vast consequences like a traditional licensed profession mechanical chemical civil electrical aerospace engineer is held responsible for

[@johnmukora5104]

Kkkkk things are changing

[@foxdie8106]

AI is great for creating code ideas, but it's a mess with business code

[@RashadAkachi]

These people just talk as if replacing coders is going to be a good thing in the long run.

[@deeplearningpartnership]

Why not?

[@FireoftheRedSun55]

It will for the corporations. More money for fewer people. The future that they see I’d bright. It just doesn’t include humans.

[@ericjbowman1708]

These people don't understand why LLM is fundamentally incapable of engineering. Devin is causing nothing but trouble with its useless, time-wasting bug reports. Exhibit A, curl, which I've been familiar with as an HTTP developer for 30+ years. Those aren't bugs your bot is finding, sir.

[@ericjbowman1708]

Journalists should also ask Google, if its new chip can do in a day what would take us 100 years with binary computing, how do they know if the results are correct? When it comes to, say, curl, these hype-meme companies aren't listening to the coders who are telling them their AI doesn't understand how to code, regardless of how effective it may or may not be at code completion. AI and quantum represent a break from the paradigm of newer generations of computers having higher precision and accuracy than the former, into the undiscovered territory of "How do we improve on a 30% error rate?" Also, until now, you ask a computer to solve a problem, it will give you the same answer every time. Right or wrong, but if it's wrong... well, hehe, *that's* a bug. AI hallucinations about non-existent problems with code, IS the bug.

[@ericjbowman1708]

What would impress me is an AI coming up with a zero-day exploit, instead of nagging about (proper) use of unsafe functions in source code. Until such time, I'd settle for one that groks regex.

[@lyndonsimpson1056]

yeah this guy is a math genius and basically a leetcode athlete. But we all know leetcode is not SWE, at all. to a point where asking leetcode problems during interviews is absurd.

[@NoOne-vz2pb]

This guy is a genius. "Look guys, I am so smat, i am building something that will make my skills obsolete. Gimme mooney pls. I am smat. and i code fast"

[@danh5637]

Forbes is just a giant pay for play scam

[@agentpenguin3966]

This ain't happening honey.

[@drB762]

if Devin debugs bugs, who debugs Devin's bugs?

[@hydrohasspoken6227]

Devin

[@themayhemera3046]

didn't these guys get caught for faking their demo a while back

[@n-o-i-d]

people forget fast

[@GGHREKT007]

Just like calculator didn’t replace mathematician but make the work easier for them , AI won’t replace engineers but make the work easier for them

[@FunkyChild718]

Terrible analogy.

[@Paul_Marek]

Only 15K views in 2 days? Is Forbes becoming irrelevant? And as a coder myself, the premise of this segment is complete BS - these are coding assistants, not replacements.

[@7_of_9]

Make this happen quickly! Create an AI that can teach coding effectively better than most teachers who struggle to simplify concepts for learners

[@Woozlewuzzleable]

We're all going to be replaced eventually.

[@lakshaykainth]

Except Clinically Diagnosing Physicians & Robotic Surgeons.

[@ambrosia_123]

@@lakshaykainth The robots are going to get replaced as well.

[@thembangulube9041]

As someone in the software space....yeah this ain't happening anytime soon ...😂😂😂😂😂

[@MrDarryl90210]

Is anyone really surprised that this startup even exists given the substantial backing for AI-related tech? If fact, Cognition already has a competitor called Cursor which is a also raised a considerable sum. As the world population continues to grow and AI and robotics improve alarmingly fast, what are people supposed to do in the next 5 or 10 years for work? Let that sink in!

[@user-7I9gdym4j]

@@MrDarryl90210 when and if that happens, governments will intervene and introduce universal basic income. If they don't, humanity will collapse. But we are probably hundreds of years away from AI taking over most Human jobs anyways.

[@apricotmadness4850]

Realistically speaking; the products being developed don’t have any actual real use case besides specific niche things. Gen AI can’t do most jobs; it can’t even do basic jobs sometimes. Unless companies develop a broad level of intelligence in the next 5-10 years then the majority of jobs will be fine. Jobs that were already being phased out now will be replaced through.

[@user-7I9gdym4j]

@@apricotmadness4850 AI is unpredictable. They hallucinate and are not consistent.

[@Codetutor-DemystifyCoding]

Coding is not the only work developers do. I am seeing code written with AI help and how much mess it creates and I am now convinced that clearing that mess would still need human intervention. As some one said - Using AI to write the code is like using chainsaw to cut butter. It works but some one will have to clean up the mess. 😂

[@ericmwai1149]

Interesting..

[@MrApw2011]

What is described at the start of the talk isn't engineering, it's maintenance. I could see how it could do maintenance well (such as upgrading Angular frameworks as was discussed). What I didn't hear is how it does any engineering (conceiving of a business problem/market gap and making a program from the ground up that solves the problem perceived). Can it do that and do it so that it produces readable and critically bug-free software?

[@renegroulx7029]

"Devin, build AI moderators for every website."

[@pigeon-fd5zq]

It's right human computer work can be replace with ai but not human labour work

[@INXIETE]

Tesla Optimus, and Figure 1~ hold my beer.

[@Charlesfrostman]

The Primeagen just broke Devin yesterday 😂 let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

[@TechMediaArchive]

Great interview

[@cesarorz]

I worked at IBM as a junior and tasks as junior were more complex than those describe here.

[@gauravtejpal8901]

You can't replace thinkers

[@fightyournegatives]

I love how they are getting that low quality recording from a laptop to make it seem like it ain't a video that startup spends on marketing lol.

[@thelbellek]

The title is misleading, as always. In the video, he said, 'He is excited for a world with even more software engineers.' The proposition is to improve software engineers' work, not replace it. We'll have to see if it works or not. 🤷🏼‍♀

[@zachariahhornes8708]

So he side stepped the question 😊

[@tomaszlapaj5826]

Wow, great interview

[@suriyasuresh4369]

Wow how crazy is youtube's algorithm.... right now i'm on my night shift in an IT company and Its around 3am I got up for a coffee and the first thing I get in my feed is this.....simply great youtube

[@xingxong899]

why tf u getting up for coffee at 3am

[@suriyasuresh4369]

@xingxong899 I was feeling a bit tired 😫....that's why rushed for a caffeine break

[@GiovanneAfonso]

We know the feeling man

[@AlgoNudger]

So much hype. 😂

[@TheCencoredGoat]

LOL - this is quite clearly a pump and dump scam. anyone that has used ai generated code knows that it's good for short snippets but nothing more.

[@El_Diablo_12]

So far, but I suspect it’ll get better with larger context windows over time

[@akialter]

The title is very misleading. I think most of the comments here havent even watched the full video. This interview with Scott really changes my point of view. Let the AI do the mundane task like Scott said, setting up database, troubleshooting random errors like mis-port configuration, write documentation, etc. If you are a software engineer that has to be 60% of your time. Let the engineer actually engineering.

[@Aaron71222]

60 ? Correct.

[@DANNYEL20122]

I don't know why there's the obsession with replacing programmers

[@viktorskarlatov8227]

Because they are very expensive.

[@yashpatel261]

It will make things easier. Good luck.

[@catoftruth1044]

whats the difference of that and using chatgpt?

[@ikomatata]

There are many areas in which AI can do 100% efficient work that have yet to be tapped. This obsession with AI taking over coding jobs is mind-boggling.

[@skanthaadsigns]

Waiting for AI to replace Wall St. Shareholders, CEOs & Senior Management- then that’s progress.

[@John-sd5li]

I just saw a guy from Netflix yesterday desperately convince this AI to push code to his repo in hours but never success Lmao.

[@selinov]

Could you show me Devin working on the Devin codebase? Surely, you're saving millions by using this tool to code itself, right? Can we see it in action?

[@erkinalp]

cognition AI, devin's author, says they are actually using it

[@felomleron.ml101]

In fact, the AI engineers that want to replace programmers are THE ENEMIES of programmers. These people should be avoided in community.

[@paulmuriithi9195]

devin is not too useful. it straight up cannot seek and repair bugs it itself created. backend code management is also poor. devin needs investments in hardware compute and access to a rack of 200 million dollar cerebras chip rentals.

[@damaroro]

rule of thumb in AI product: don't believe it 100 percent, because it still have bias answer

[@Laggie74]

Plumbing and gardening will be the last stand, until the robots are ready. 10 to 20 years?

[@mutchlouis9707]

Ok… But what does this mean for the budding Software engineers… What is the industry steering towards… ? What is the hiring attitude and requirements gonna be for the next generation of devs?

[@programmingcore7413]

The Question Is "What is the target market ?", and the target market is software developers well bad luck for junior devs they will have to fight hard to become Senior Devs, Because most Senior Devs will be using Devin instead of employing juniors ..

[@ethio-code6509]

Who is using davin though? I’ve heard about cursor and others but not devin

[@AziziOthmanMY]

another 2B startup to get us near the Universal Basic Income roll out

[@js913]

Just wait for few days, this person can replace this business

[@JoseGarcia-ol6jp]

Whats the difference from this and coding copilot gpt ?

[@vadymmotsukh6403]

Every time I read comments about “that tool replaces that jobs” I start smiling. Are we competing with web server who faster calculates some numbers? No, we just use tools not compete with them 😊 Some tool can quickly put correct pixels or can quickly check public API requirements, great I will use that tool but not compete and manually check until late night and red eyes an API docs when it is not necessary.

[@DanHuins]

If you notice he never actually say "It won't replace people." reading's on the wall folks...

[@kuhaniresti]

if im already pissed with Claude for not understanding the entire code before suggesting a change how will be play against the best AI for coding?

[@paulXmbingu]

Elizabeth Holmes, Sam Bankman-Fried, whose next. People who lie to investors that AI will replace software engineers.

[@RusydyMuhiddin]

Everything start with "yeah", c'mon

[@john2knj]

Can Devin setup a group of computers with Windows 10 & Ubuntu 24.04 to be able to run StarCraft Remastered 1.23 via LAN so that battlenet online is not required to be used (to minimize lag, etc)? SC used to be simple to get networked via LAN, but now it's suck a pain, probably some sort of bug in the last update.

[@riser9644]

Are they hiring any developer 😅

[@19bprojects82]

What is he looking around at?

[@njarya918]

Everything will be replaced but not oil

[@w2385-i2s]

AI stole my job.

[@bearliongaming2464]

We are replacing ourselves XD Hilarious

[@maratnugmanov]

Why are they talk on Forbes where investors are? Because all technical channels are not impressed, sorry.

[@Pattern_seeker202]

No cash register employees and someday no diagnosing doctors. Maybe coding as well

[@akshaykamathb2788]

12:09 we use Devin all the time, Devin is the number one contributor to devin codebase

[@N0stalgicLeaf]

"Could Replace Coders" No it wont.

[@El_Diablo_12]

20:00 video as a space for AI

[@viktorskarlatov8227]

I wish them good luck.

[@bhavtosh5328]

Only highly creative engineers will be able to work.Otherwise most of the avg coders will be replaced in the 3-4 years.

[@lyndonsimpson1056]

people were saying that 2 years ago, now it's another 3-4 years. just seems like complete guesses if i didn't know any better.

[@witchedwiz]

- You must be joking.. - whoever on your end was supposed to be the that had to try//assess the tool was high One of the two statements before is true if you consider Devin as a viable tool to replace a junior eng..

[@yoyo-jc5qg]

they're gonna give the ai agent a reddit and youtube account so it can go and research any problem it runs into 😂

[@douglascezar4810]

@Forbes, you really could do better, much much better. I've asked chatgpt to analyze the situation related to this guy's business and it did a much better job than your journalism and the guy himself. In the age of AI, where we're always being measured against AI's results, we all must do much better. In the video, you show you're already losing to AI.

[@ijchua]

Why is he so nervous in this interview?

[@Joshua.Developer]

God all this will hit a legal wall. WHO is the CODE? They do, your company dues not and you dont. Softwarr engineering is one of the few good paying jobs people can train to get. But this is our own fault when you base your skillset 100% on making a company money this happens. Coding is Free Speech, its art and it's a trade.

[@seanmui8772]

AGI has to happen first.

[@Cory-v4w]

Evolution isn't thoughtless idealism anymore. We want Ai to teach teleology.

[@s-code-b]

You want to frown at some billionaire boss you've never met because you suspect they are about to replace people's jobs until some lady introduces the person who has the friendliest countenance. Ok, fine, just...just take the jobs.

[@pinoyh1536]

These greedy people who created this thing will kill our industry. This wont encourage the next generation to be programmers

[@lelilimon]

It can replace "coders", but they only do coding to save time for developers and problem solvers.

[@YusanTRusli]

90 % of codes are automated. 10 % not, Humans can do this portion ten times more, be more productive.

[@desireco]

Only Forbes and other legacy media can come up with this...

[@AD-mw6ne]

I hope his company fails. I don’t know why people are trying to bring tech into the world that is so disruptive that millions of people will lose their livelihoods. I do not like this guy.

[@roz1]

Tell Devin to make changes in the kernel and get it approved by linus torvalds... If u can do that I will agree with u 😂

[@jokmong2360]

only replace the entry level programmers and coders,, the pro still safe for now

[@timedj9164]

You: Hey Devin can you change the version number for me? Devin: Sure, I have changed the version number to 99 for almost but not really.. You: What? Devin: Would you like to change this? Please deposit $ AI credits to fix what I just broke. You: What?

[@ceylonvc]

its happening!!

[@madvillainy6845]

Shout out to the Red Stick.

[@CAI-uc7vj]

It's funny how he uses "exciting" I think it's funny 😁

[@KISSMIBUT27]

He can't even keep eye contact with the camera.

[@lillyinthefield2787]

2:10. HERE IS A GUY WHO IS LAUGHING ABOUT SOMEONE NOT BEING ABLE TO BUY FOOD AND BECOME HUNGRY I HOPE HE HAS A VERY STRONG SECURITY SYS BECAUSE WE KNOW WHERE TO GO WHEN WE ARE HUNGRY👽👹

[@ripplecutter233]

AI as in Actually Indians via H1B 😂