Forbidden Planet (1956) - Welcome to Z'ha'dum

[@mikegrossberg8624]

I was just watching Babylon 5. When I saw the part where the crew descends into the heart of the planet Epsilon III, and sees the machinery located there, the first thing I thought was that someone had remembered the Krell machinery on, or, rather, IN, Altair IV!

[@johnhermanson5249]

One of my all time favorites. Keep away "Hollywood", do NOT try to remake this.

[@garyspence2128]

But think of the CGI they could use to create the 'Monster of the Id', as they called it. Could be amazing, or horrible! I'm a fan of the original monster from the movie. The 60's cartoon show Johnny Quest did a knockoff of the monster during their run. I'm still waiting for a live-action version of Quest from Hollywood. Similar to the Mummy movies with Brendan Fraser. He's old enough to play Dr. Quest, but whose going to spend the cash to make it correctly!

[@sonnyroy497]

Agreed. Cgi would ruin it. Maybe with practical effects.

[@davidyoung]

To be fair, the film itself is a remake. A certain Mr Shakespeare is to be credited with the original.

[@Foxxtronix]

What a horrible thought. Hollywood as it is today remaking *this*.

[@Jimmy-B-]

With the right cast and director it could be a cracking film.. if they followed the original closely

[@specialandroid1603]

The big daddy of all modern scifi films

[@John-el1ki]

man I use to love the shit out of this movie when I was a kid

[@JohnSmith-el6lk]

@@John-el1ki I still do as an adult.

[@craigclemens986]

The Day The Earth Stood Still was that. 1951.

[@targetrender9529]

War of the Worlds was THE sci-fi movie that started it all. Forbidden planet and the Day the Earth Stood Still were good, too.

[@HuntingTarg]

@@craigclemens986 That movie had an excellent script, but not the high-end sets and effects that Forbidden Planet did. Walter Pidgeon and Leslie Nielsen were an excellent pair, with great supporting cast, provocative story elements, and drama & plot that didn't just feature or moralize about human nature, but explored it. Besides, are there any other movies where the flying saucer lands and _humans_ come out of it? [The only one I can think of is "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", and that's hardly the only thing that happens in that scene.]

[@withoutyourspacehelmet1124]

Way ahead of its time. An all-time classic!

[@josephwazocha140]

Star Trek in the making.

[@manfreakcaharambe942]

@@josephwazocha140 this way better than star trek

[@PsilocybinCocktail]

I saw it on television in 1975 (in the UK). It remains one of my favourite films and works on so many levels.

[@ArthurHILL-xp8bv]

Forbidden planet 1956 the Krell technology prop is the music.

[@Barnekkid]

This was one of the best sci-fi movies ever.

[@harry2928]

The retirement and passing of dear Mr. Walter Pidgeon has been another iconic Loss to mankind as well as in the subculture of brilliant stage performance. What a Natural- like so few others. Effortlessly believable. An Original. Unequaled. The Last of the old school-Gentlemen. Class, class act all the way. No copies. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@alexmuenster2102]

His delivery here - the lengthy speech he gives about the Krell - comes off as a little stiff. It's as though he had had difficulty memorizing it (it's delivered in essentially a single take). Remember: This was the first time he was revealing this tremendous secret to the world at large - to humanity.

[@ArthurHILL-xp8bv]

Forbidden planet 1956 krell technology music player to the prop.

[@LordZontar]

"You'll find the household silver in the dining room and my daughter's jewelry on her dressing table." "Well, we just came here for the gold and cash, but I suppose we'll have those as well."

[@photo161]

Walter Pidgeon does such a great job of keeping this long speech of background about the Kreel, the kind of lengthy exposition that most actors dread and often refuse to do, he keeps it alive and interesting. an altogether amazing actor...

[@rickelleman6613]

Sadly, in the midst of an otherwise fabulous monolog lies an error I cannot unhear once I noticed it. The Krell died 2000 centuries ago (2,000,000 years) but then he plays a recording they were supposed to have made "a half-million years ago". One of my favorite movies, but that tiny mistake in the script (it's in the novel too) just grates on me...

[@LoneBrowncoat]

@@rickelleman6613 ......Similar, and a script girl could catch it, so obvious.

[@rickelleman6613]

@@LoneBrowncoat You'd think... but if memory serves (I lost my copy), W. J. Stuart uses the same speech nearly word for word in the novelization: without correcting the error. It seems to me most people just don't register all the zeros in large numbers. I, and apparently you also, tend to react to large amounts of zeros by listening closely and doing mental comparison. I've even been known to grab a calculator to get an actual image of really large numbers...

[@paulbrennan3760]

@@rickelleman6613 unless I’m mistaken 2000 centuries would be 200,000 years not 2,000,000 years. So 500,000 years earlier for their recording is in context it it was a long lived race.

[@rickelleman6613]

@@paulbrennan3760 you know... you're right!

[@photo161]

The great Walter Pidgeon adds incomparable gravitas to the film...

[@robertgolden1080]

Awesome movie. A true classic science fiction.

[@gwine9087]

I saw it, in the theatre, whan I was a kid. Amazing for its day.

[@KonichiWawa]

I loved this movie as a kid. I always marvelled over the idea of how insanely huge the interior portion of the Krell great machine was. I anguished over the near destruction of the Krell blast door by the monster.

[@garyspence2128]

That underground interior had a great look. I'm assuming it was a combination small model setup, along with some photography tricks to make it look miles long. The movie Total Recall with Schwarzenegger must have done something similar with their underground system on Mars, but the Krell layout was better, and it was done 30 years before Arnold got his behind to Mars!!

[@SKI1333]

Yeah. Me too bro

[@xadam2dudex]

I remember seeing this when I was a kid when it first came out ...it was such a good movie ...the special effects were unreal...

[@msh6865]

I'll say this...the Krell make brilliant home audiophile components.

[@Nastyfinger1444]

One of the best Sci-fi films.

[@mrmasonry9792]

This is one of the best Sci Fi movies ever. It took me a while to understand it. I can only imagine seeing this in 1956.

[@mlbreel]

Just the best sci-fi film ever produced

[@TRUEiMPROrecords]

Fun fact: In modular synthesizer music, a programmed state - or "patch"- where the synth plays a pattern of sounds that never repeats is called a "Krell patch".

[@dougohboy5190]

its Mars, thats the planet they are on...

[@johnossendorf9979]

@@dougohboy5190 The planet is Altair 4.

[@dougohboy5190]

@@johnossendorf9979 ...Mars is the 4'th planet out from the sun...

[@johnossendorf9979]

@@dougohboy5190 Altair (Alpha Aquila) is a luminous star and the twelfth brightest in our night sky. It is in the constellation Aquila (the Eagle) and is frequently featured in works of science fiction. Altair is 16.73 light years from Earth. In the movie, the United Planets Cruiser C-57D, was capable of faster than light travel. It needed to be faster than light because it's destination was so very far beyond our solar system. Altair 4 refers to the fictional 4th plant from the aforementioned star Altair. The C-57D drops below the speed of light to .3896 of the light speed to travel through the Altair solar system. If Mars was the desired destination .3896 of light speed would have been all the speed needed. Now I have to get to my storage unit and find my DVD so I can watch it again for the 20 somethingth time.

[@im1who84u]

@@dougohboy5190 From what sun do you speak? Surely not ours. If you did, then you are correct that Mars is the forth planet from the sun in "our" solar system, but this planet is not in our solar system. It is in the solar system of Altair. However, good that you know your planets in our solar system. Most people don't even know that the planet we live on, "Earth", is the third planet from our sun. As an interesting side note here for you. The ninth "planet" in our solar system, Pluto, is smaller than Earth's moon!.... and yet Pluto has five moons of its own! Crazy, huh? Size matters. The orange dot on Jupiter is so big that our Earth could fit in it with room to spare!

[@BuzzBroz]

I was 4 when this was released and it holds up very well to the test of time. Half a million Krell years from now it will perhaps be regard as real.

[@richardmattingly7000]

Forbidden Planet had one of the first all electronically made music scores in film history and it still remains one of the most original soundtracks SciFi has ever used. Indeed 1950-60s was the Golden Age of Scifi as both film and especially TV series like The Twilight Zone/Outer Limits had a level of imagination/intelligence that is rarely seen in today's effects driven spectacles.....

[@RonaldVaughan]

You can think LOUIS AND BEBE BARRON for these electronic tonalities....never equalled...

[@mamamheus7751]

I was watching a series about music in films by Neil Brand on the BBC. He discussed this film, and its brilliance in the sound effects, and explained that the Barrons had offered to do just the sound effects (as they were into electronic music - among the first to do so). Somehow they got carried away and sent back the entire score with the effects built in. Needless to say, not a single sound was changed! IMHO Forbidden Planet is one of the greatest films ever made. Definitely in the top 5 most influential, as well as just fantastic to watch :-D

[@daffidavit]

@@mamamheus7751 I have to agree with you in many ways. It is the "Grand Father" of Sci-Fi movies. Bebe and Louis Barron created the "Electronic Tonalities". Since the husband and wife team were not in the musician's union, they were not allowed to have the final film credited to "music". So they credited their sounds to "Electronic Tonalities". They spent over 8 months, according to Bebe Barron, burning electronic circuit boards and recording the sounds they made and overdubbed the sounds. They recorded some of the sounds backward. There is a video here on YT where you can listen to the story by Bebe Barron. Also, the special visual effects were done by artists "borrowed" from the Walt Disney studios for the "ID Monster" and the ray guns and all the other effects you see. Nome of that stuff had any CGI effects because CGI was not yet used in the 50s. Whatever computers they had were pre-NASA beasts that would take up the size of an office floor and needed keypunch cards just to get a spreadsheet. I saw "Forbidden Planet" on TV a few years after it came out in the movies in "Spectacular Technicolor". I was just a young boy when I saw the movie, but somehow it had a deep impact on my love for Science and Sci-Fi films. I think it would have to be in the top five of all Sci-movies. In fact, I don't think it's even fair to include it in a top anything movie list because it was so unique. I'd love to see the video on some of the retakes of the movie. It was originally going to be called by another name which I can't remember now, but the studies changed the name before it was released.

[@markreeter6227]

daffidavit “Fatal Planet” was the originally proposed name.

[@BaronFeydRautha]

"The Academy" totally F'd the Barrons. They should have won an award. A win for the hollywood lawyers.

[@Anlushac11]

Not Z'ha'Dum. This is the great machine on Epsilon Three.

[@johnossendorf9979]

Altair 4.

[@STho205]

@@johnossendorf9979 similar homages to the Krell City are found in StargateSG1, Atlantis and Universe ... As well in Battlstar Galactica (1980) and the one in the 2000s. Heinlein may have been the first to pen such an idea in print, but maybe further back than that.

[@Anlushac11]

@@johnossendorf9979 The movie is set on Altair IV. In Babylon Five te great machine on Epsilon 3 where Zathras was the caretaker was based on The Krell great machine. They didnt realize it at first til someone pointed it out then JMS left it in as a homage to Forbidden Planet.

[@melomane2010]

Love this movie. The electronic sound track was amazing and not just for its time.

[@yourseatatthetable]

I was about ten the first time I saw Forbidden Planet. It was on the laser dish player my Aunt and Uncle had bought. You know, that early model where disks were the size of dinner plates. Interesting movie.

[@Karthos1000]

It's still weird seeing Leslie Nielsen in a serious role. His first comedic role was in "Airplane" but after that he had almost entirely comedic roles, because he was brilliant in comedy.

[@thomasthompson6378]

Leslie Nielsen was asked once, in an interview, what it was like to have acted "against type" in all his later comedies. He responded that it was his "serious" roles in which he was acting against type -- he said that comedy came quite naturally to him. (And based on The Naked Gun series, I can see why he felt that way.)

[@kyle857]

He was a dramatic actor long before.

[@Karthos1000]

@Weather Brief I never knew that.

[@mikloscsuvar6097]

Holly shit! Leslie Nielsen!

[@LoneBrowncoat]

You missed the age of the "B" western, he also played cops, private eyes, dozens of roles, especially under the old studio contract system.

[@Porrohman72]

Love this movie! Never gets old.

[@vetman548]

Watching this in a dark room on Halloween night when I was younger. Good memories.

[@kattcity]

My personal number one all time sci-fi movie with the original "The day the Earth stool still" as a very very close 2nd.

[@lolshark99b49]

My favorite sci-fi stories involve humans interacting with things that are far, far beyond human capabilities and comprehension. Star Trek: The Motion Picture is like this as well.

[@compmanio36]

Mass Effect as well, with the Reapers. Babylon 5, with the Shadows/Vorlons and First Ones. A common trope of science fiction, but a good one. Lovecraftian horror and intrigue stirs the natural desire for forbidden knowledge.

[@james5460]

Pidgeon was the king of long, expository or conclusory speeches. A classic one was in "Command Decision" (1948), where the climax of the film is when he goes on and on for what seems like half an hour about how difficult command decisions are - basically, the film is that speech. Next to some of his speeches, this is nothing, but he seemed to like these kinds of "This is how it is" orations. He probably missed his true calling as a college professor.

[@kyokogodai-ir6hy]

2:05 "adamantine steel" Stan (Lee) you ripped adamantium off this, you sly dog!

[@aum1040]

Actually, its derived from ancient greek. In forbidden planet they are using the dictionary definition of the English word, not inventing a new material.

[@DrLynch2009]

Roy Thomas created adamantium not Stan Lee.

[@bleirdo_dude]

Those musicians from long ago knew how funky sci fi outer space sounds like.

[@kenw.1112]

This movie was for the time period very advanced ! I consider it a MASTERPIECE! When they made this movie the people who did the special effects step beyond what they were suppose to do to make this movie the best possible. Anyone who puts this movie down because they compare it to today's movies is a non-thinking IDIOT! They did everything right. It's a great movie no exceptions !

[@josephwazocha140]

This is where the idea for "Star Trek" came from.

[@KenshoBeats]

Still one of my favorite movies..

[@kdrapertrucker]

"commander, surely you can't be serious" "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley!"

[@rrrosadorr]

One of the classic sci-fi movies from the 1950's and the grand-pappy of Star Trek.

[@waltonsimons12]

"That recording was made by Krell musicians a half a million years ago. They called it 'Krellstep.'"

[@kamenfann8880]

LoL

[@josephcope7637]

About as hilarious as a sewer backing up.

[@x.y.8581]

Meddling idiots - as if your apes brains could appreciate the wonder of this great movie!

[@AnonEyeMouse]

It was actually a medical recording of a malfunctioning Krell colon cluster... but you know how humans like to make shit up. Each to their own, I guess.

[@johnwang9914]

Keep in mind that the movie was made before music synthesizers existed, they used laboratory function generators, pulse generators and oscilloscopes to produce that music tone by tone and no one in their theatre audience had ever heard synthetically produced music before. It doesn't seem like much to us today but it was probably quite startling to the first audience of this film.

[@tinkmarshino]

Dang.. now I am gonna have to dig out my dvd of this and watch it tonight.. that and another one of my fav's the day the earth stood still (1951) woof!

[@williamschleyjr7761]

This was a great film. It's shows that no matter how mankind can be; it can take one thing to end it.

[@julieandrea318]

I LOVE this movie! Love Robbie the robot.

[@Ben_the_Ignorant]

Forbidden Planet is a sacred movie.

[@ghshinn]

Adamantine is from the Greek adamantos, an ancient word used in Greek mythology. Cronos, for instance, had an adamantos sickle. It was also used of the changes with which Prometheus was bound. John Milton used the word a number of times in Paradise Lost, published in the 1660's.

[@stevetheduck1425]

I like the casual mention that no images of the Krell have survived. Looks like they finally conquered the Ego as well...

[@geraldfrost4710]

LoL! No Krell selfies? No Krell OnlyFans? No krell vacation photos? Not realistic.

[@DGOODWIN19]

One of the finest science fiction movies of the 1950's (along with "this island earth" and "war of the worlds"). But he does not say the planet is Z'ha'dum only that it was inhabited by the Krell.

[@lancecampbell4323]

Totally agree with your other movie choices as well. My others in the Top 5 are The Thing from Another World and When Worlds Collide. My dad would have voted for The Day the Earth Stood Still. He got me into adult Sci-fi, another reason I miss him terribly

[@DGOODWIN19]

@@lancecampbell4323 Nice reply, I agree with your choices also. Happy new year.

[@AbelMcTalisker]

The B5 version of the Great Machine isn`t even on Zha`dum anyway. Rather the planet the station orbits.

[@SogoTX]

Oh Snap!!!! It all makes sense now!!! (Although I see the Krell as more being the Vorlons... with their Great Machine on Epsilon 3 and all... Perhaps Epsilon was a lost Colony of the Krell) ;)

[@STho205]

Sogo. Ding Ding Ding for the win. Most younger viewers never caught on that the graphic was a CGI copy of the Krell machine.

[@thegoodwin]

"Z'ha'dum?" Is that the same word used as the homeworld of the Shadows in the Babylon 5 TV show? (Edit) The question being asked here is the use of the word Za'ha'dum in the title of this KZbin video. It should be pointed out that the name "Za'ha'dum" was never uttered in this film, "Forbidden Planet." Also, the planet in the film, "Forbidden Planet" is called Altair 4. The similarity between the film, "Forbidden Planet" and "Babylon 5" (TV series)'s Epilson (planet) is the existence of a planet that has a "Great Machine" beneath its surface.

[@STho205]

That's what this OP thinks is similar. He's wrong though. The planet Babylon 5 orbits is an homage to Altair 4. When they do their first episode investigating it, the underground wonder city visual CGI is a replica of the Krell city FX from 1956. A character even enters a brain scanner to run it, though it does not end on tragedy. ZaHaDum is more like a conversation with an evolutionary Marxist club in an office today. They have a vision of utopian evolution and you either join it or you will be removed. There's always somebody, a nexus personality, that messes things up.

[@thegoodwin]

@@STho205 , I see your point. But, i was asking about the names being similar not the actual differences on how it was being used in a different context.

[@STho205]

The Goodwin. Yes, and you knew it was as you gave the "homeworld of the shadows" for context in your comment. Therefore implied as a rhetorical comment, inviting discussion.

[@thegoodwin]

@@STho205 , that's fine. Just making a clarification here.

[@davidkneeland5226]

S Tho o

[@emitindustries8304]

One of my favorite movies of all time. I even have the r/c Robbie, that walks and talks. The scene where Morbius says the Krell left no images of themselves is hard to believe. We've been putting our mugs on everything, since caveman discovered paint. And walls. The producer decided to leave out the Krell photo album, probably because it made them more mysterious, and to keep the budget down. An actor saying a few words is alot cheaper than having production artists do sketches and paintings and faking photos of a Krell family on vacation, on Uranus. Ha-ha, I wrote Uranus! I'll bet you're laughing now, since a mental picture of Krell, walking around on Uranus, is pretty damn funny!

[@emitindustries8304]

Shee-it! Now that's funny!

[@joeschembrie9450]

Uranus, black hole, ASSteroid . . . astronomers need to seek therapy.

[@geraldfrost4710]

"There were Klingons on Uranus, butt they got wiped out." ~ junior high humor.

[@yemo34]

This movies production design is way better then it deserves to be. It's very modern in how much they really cared about making a silly sci-fi movie look like it actually took place in the future.

[@JonSmith-cx7gr]

"That recording was made by Krell musicians half a million years ago." Takes a deep hit on a Krell bong.

[@slaughterhouse5585]

LOL. 🤣🤣🤣

[@willtor]

My favorite part was where he entered the room behind them and said, "It's Morbin' time!"

[@robertdepaulis5188]

Brilliant show

[@chrisby30]

I like Walter Pidgeon's face at 2:41 and the way he adjusts the papers it's like he has be rehearsing this for years

[@Vaderd2k926]

Never noticed Morbious’ mention of “adamantine steel” before. A reference that predates its use in Marvel comics.

[@Orgruk]

Certainly, though that word is not Marvel's "adamantium."

[@Vaderd2k926]

@@Orgrukyou’re right on. I’ve looked it up and understand how he used it. The Marvel folks obviously built on that very real adjective to create some very fictional metal. Good stuff. Enjoyed the reference.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Adamantium is the metal of the Greek gods

[@ThomasEWalker]

'Adamantine' just means 'hard metal' and it's a real, very normal word that was not created for comics. Nothing to be amazed about.

[@sbvera13]

It's just a word that's not used much anymore, it comes from 'adamant', meaning stubborn or inflexible. Sounds like steel to me :P

[@DrownedInExile]

Nitpick alert! The Krell couldn't have been that advanced if they didn't understand their own psychology. They also couldn't have been that smart if they didn't think to test their Great Machine under much more finite controlled environment. If they'd used a single Krell volunteer with a smaller prototype Great Machine, they would have discovered the problem of the Id, and a single Id-monster wouldn't have been enough to wipe out their civilization. I'd like to think the Krell didn't die off, instead they ascended to a higher level of existence. With their superior mental discipline, subconscious destructive desires weren't a problem for them. Unfortunately the Machine wasn't designed for human minds. Also Dr. Morbius didn't have the Krell's mental discipline, and that created the Id-monster. Nitpick aside, great movie.

[@markreeter6227]

DrownedInExile The “Id Monster” was an unexpected consequence of the machine. Just as drugs can have unexpected or unexplained side effects even after years of testing/trials, the machine unleashed something totally unexpected on the Krell. They didn’t figure it out until it was too late. What happened to the Krell represents the hubris of man in thinking that science, knowledge and technology can make man godlike.

[@davidhigginbotham5451]

I agree... if the entire scientific knowledge of the Krell could be displayed on the screen....they didn't have medical or physiological or athletic records? Why wouldn't they?

[@paultheroman6637]

That is an interesting theory. I can envision a test subject for the "mental manifesting machine" trying various levels of creation until it accidentally tapped into it's long dormant "dark side" and that aspect of it's subconscious, once released, going on a killing rampage destroying the entire race. Not unlike the "Douwd" from Trek TNG that destroyed the entire race of the Husnock with a mere thought.

[@markreeter6227]

Morbius states that the Krell disappeared “seemingly overnight” based on the evidence he found. Everything underground associated with the machine was left intact and functioning - most of their surface civilization had long disappeared due to the ravages of time. Based on this, I tend to think that nearly the entire Krell population unleashed their individual ‘monsters’ more or less at the same time after their species achieved a certain level of use and dependence on the machine. Countless individual psychopathic, murderous nightmares manifesting nearly simultaneously, running rampant throughout the entire population like a plague. The Krell literally never knew what hit them - they had no time to figure it out. That, to me, makes this one of the best pieces of science fiction writing ever conceived of. An incredibly powerful, frightening and unique story.

[@kdrapertrucker]

The defects in one's ID can be invisible to the person. Take for instance in real life, fascists calling themselves antifascist as they engage in stereotypical fascist behavior. The black lives matter activist that burns down poor black neighborhoods and chases the businesses out then screams racism because there is no place for the locals to buy groceries.

[@jeffwads]

This scene is so good, only to be bettered by the one following it.

[@Bigrignohio]

Look to the doorway for their huge shape . . . then pile into a tiny maintenance transport to go see the reactors.

[@slaughterhouse5585]

Good observation.

[@starguard4122]

This movie was by far an Epic breakthough for the world of Sci-Fi, but one thing that I could never figure out, is that once the Krell vanished, what ever happened to the rest of their planets life forms (if any existed). There are no trees, animals, or insects other than the earth animals that his daughter had, and seeing that the Krell died over 2000 centuries ago, where did these modern day animals come from, how were they eating and being kept alive, and what was stopping them from breeding? Once the Krell died that entire planet seemed to wither away into nothing more than a wasteland without a single trace of any native lifeforms left. What was the cause of this?

[@aldito7586]

I heard that the audience stood up and applauded this movie. I would have too. "Tonalities by Louis and BeBe Barron". "Look at the color of that sky!" / "Yeah but I'll still take blue" / "I don't know, I think a man could grow to love this".

[@loudogg3367]

That desk is awesome. I want a Forbidden Planet style office.

[@jetcarddude]

Fantastic movie...........

[@smooth111012]

Fantastic movie

[@sarfaraz.hosseini]

Based on Shakespear's _"The Tempest"_

[@raxsavvage]

and.... i got sent here from B5 clips... so this happened

[@DEP717]

"If you go to Z'ha'dum..." JMS with a nice touch :)

[@timalder8940]

I’m a big B5 fan, never knew the source of Z’Ha’Dum or the great machine !,

[@SilverScreenMassage]

me too

[@NetMoverSitan]

The Krell appeared to have quite the girth to them, at least compared to humans.

[@reubencarter3004]

Forbidden Planet was the prototype for Star Trek.

[@barcham]

And the doctor on Forbidden Planet, Warren Stevens, went on to have a guest starring role as an alien on Star Trek: TOS as Rojan in the episode By Any Other Name.

[@2hcobda2]

​@@barcham But where did Roddenberry get the idea that the executive producer -- oops! i mean ship's captain -- was such a "wolfhound"?

[@selderane]

That sick Krell beat...

[@tenrec]

Kind of hard to believe that there is Krell music and all kinds of technology, plus all the Earth animals are still alive, but not a single photograph of a Krell still exists.

[@berserkasaurusrex4233]

Wow, I never realized how much Jack Chalker's Well World series took from this. Even down to the lost super species being only remembered by their weirdly shaped doorways (pentagonal in those books) as a hint to their physical forms.

[@NineInchTyrone]

GREAT movie

[@padawanmage71]

Don’t you mean ‘Welcome to Epsilon 3’, where the Great Machine resides around Babylon 5?

[@richardmattingly7000]

When they made their groundbreaking recordings for Forbbiden Planet Louis/Bebe Barron weren't members of the American Federation of Musicians or any other such organizations and that alone excluded them from any Academy Award considerations, The film had to call it Tonalities not Music for the very same reason because in Hollywood Unions/Guilds had that much power then and still does when it comes recognition or even working at times today. Though the Studio Systen that made the film is long gone organizations like the Screen Actors Guild's power didn't go with it and nearly everyone appearing on TV at times even reporters down to those doing commercials have had to be belong to it. The Oscars have had some rather nebulous rules when it came to categories and those nominated in them that were at the behest of these groups and it isn't surprising that many awards went extinct since it was often said they they were an Old Boys Club because of it which was true.

[@stephenlyall7759]

Walter Pidgeon brings the matching rich brown shirt and pants back into fashion. Sombre, professional, deep thinking and slow it contrasts well with the giddy grey leisurewear of the invading aeronauts.

[@SeaDrive300]

Altair 4 is not the equivalent of Z'ha'dum; rather, it's Epsilon 3, the planet that Babylon 5 orbits. The "walkway" scene in the first episode that took us down to Epsilon 3 is a direct copy of the walkway scene within the Great Machine in Forbidden Planet...

[@HHopebringer]

They didn't fall into a devastating civil war over the answers to the questions of "who are you?" and "what do you want?"

[@geraldfrost4710]

The answer is 42.

[@packersamurai]

The Machine from this movie influenced The Great Machine on Epsilon 3 in Babylon 5.

[@daffidavit]

It's so interesting how Gene Roddenberry was influenced by this film. We have no idea what the Krell looked like, but Dr. Morbius suggest that they might have a shape similar to the design of the hallway architecture. A somewhat diamond shape, which Roddenberry used as the interior design of the Enterprise in the pilot movie with Jeffery Hunter, BTW played the first Captain of the Enterprise. People argue that Captain Pike was never really the first captain of the Enterprise because the pilot was never used by the Desilu Studios because it was considered "too cerebral". However, in the first season of Star Trek TOS, there was the only two-part episode in TOS where the first pilot film was used in "The Menagerie". Since Captain Pike was then in a wheelchair because he was, I think exposed to "Delta radiation", TOS adopted the original pilot into its lore, thus making Captain Christopher Pike the original Captain of the Enterprise. I think it was Lucille Ball (Lucy Arnez) of the Desilu production company that insisted that Captain John Christopher, in the first season episode of "Tomorrow is Yesterday" be used as the actor. Something about that name "Christopher" stuck in my mind. Lucy Arnez insisted that the late actor, Roger Perry play the role of Captain Christopher. The rest is history, or the future depending on how you look at it.

[@STho205]

daffidavit. And the Norway Company used some surplus MGM sets and props to film the two pilots, as did the Twilight Zone crew at MGM. TZ used the cruiser and interior several times. Agnes Morehead chopped the cruiser up with a hatchet. Permanent Star Trek sets wouldn't be built on the Desilu studios until Corbomite. That's when their property department had designed most of the ubiquitous TOS gadgets. Especially the holographic or 3D flatscren monitor. Yes it was to indicate holographic viewers like electron microscopes had. Thus the blue border. When you see a blue border on a monitor in TOS it was supposed to be holographic. Note the images in Balance of Terror move around corners and have various angles. You only really get the effect once in TOS. The very end of Doomsday Machine when Kirk and Spock circle the bridge in front of the screen

[@daffidavit]

@@STho205 As an old 'trekee" later to become a 'trekker" I must honently admit ever since I say my first Star trek episode, WE ONLY SAW BLACK AND WHITE. LOL. I'm not trying to scream, but nobody in the mid sixties had color tv's. That's just the way it was. Then in the early 70s, I say the reruns. Somtimes they were in color. But the quality was so bad it would be equivelent to 240 at best on the best of the best TV screen. We never got to see the acne scabs on Sulu's face. Nor did we see the color lines of demarcation on Spock's eyes. We say what we say, that is, crap t.v. But as years went buy and companies were able to take the anolgog film and scan it through "digital scanners" did we suddenly see the "defects" on the faces of the actors. We suddnely say the real people who played our favorite people. After digital scanning of the 16 and later the 35 mm film, were we able to pick up the very high definiton features from the original film. For anybody too young to know anyting about film like "Kodachrome" and other film like black and white Tri-X film, that film was a basis for beautiful artforms. Today, there are young people who spend there moments studying images taking on film, rather than from a CMOS. Why? Because digital images are made from very small "squares". The smaller the "squares" the sharper the images. However, film is different. It's more like "salt and pepper" spread on a white plate. Imaging some of the salt (white particles) and the pepper (darker particles) were spread on a plate. The "texture" would be so much more evenly dispursed. There would be no "hard core" difference between a Pixel and another pixel. The olf Film "Salt and pepper would have a smoother transition so that the image we saw on a piece of photographic paper would have almost a "ghostly" transition to it. However, I must admit, today with cameras with 45 mp CMOS, it becomes difficult to tell the difference from whence a piece of salt and pepper become different from a bunch of small square blocks, so small that a film of salt and pepper can not be distinguished between very minute megapixils. So, the modern day question is: has modern photography with CMOS become so sophicasted that it has surpassed the "sald and pepper" grain as we used to call it Has digital photograhpy with its minute megapixels have now surpassed the best of the best film from the older days so that the "salt and pepper" quality of film is now subservient to digital cameras. And even if it has, can the human eye detect the difference in beauty of film, no matter how "grainy" from the smallest of the smallest pixels a digital CMOS can not produce? BTW. IMHO, it's the GLASS that really makes the difference. LOL

[@STho205]

Most of what they were trying to do couldn't be seen on the majority of TV sets, or by the local affiliate broadcast. My Dad bought a color set in 67. The RGB level and contrast knobs had to be twisted for every show and channel change. It was in the shop every third month. However remember that color programming had been produced for a decade by then. Bonanza was color from the start. ABCs Disneyland featured color serials since 55s Davy Crockett. Jonny Quest and the other evening ABC HB cartoons were in color in the early 60s. The Cage was intended to be sold to CBS who used muted more dingy color in 65. NBC/RCA went for the second pilot, so the finish sets were built for bright primary colors, which was the NBC trademark. The thing that made Star Trek was the realistic props after they sold the series. They designed them to be ergonomic, logical and appear as something manufactured for future military/science ships. Note how clunky and homemade the Cage props were. Pretty much like every other space show 1950-66. Go to radio shack and solder some transistors to cardboard and circuit board. Done. Hand phasers looking smooth and personal, communicators looking like just an everyday future effortless device, handheld computers looking like a reporters cassette recorder on a strap. The ship telemetry sounds. The flatscreens in a CRT world. Ships that looked elegant....

[@josephcope7637]

The shooting script contained a scene during which Doc Ostrow sketched a picture of a creature with a spider-like body. It was either never shot or cut from the completed version.

[@compmanio36]

@@daffidavit This is why HD remasters can be made of many older properties you'd never believe could be seen in such clarity. The real limit was the original recording medium. Film has theoretically infinite quality you can pull out of it, if you can figure out the right techniques. Video, however, is locked at the resolution it was recorded in. That's why a lot of shows from the 90s will never be able to truly be remastered properly in HD. They recorded all of it in digital video format in 480i at best, as that's all TVs could handle at the time. AI can kinda get some of it right when upscaling, but older shows/movies on film can be remastered in HD or even 4K quality and look great, so long as the original film is intact. That's usually the bottleneck to remastering an older film/show; the old film reels are either lost forever or destroyed by the environment/people.

[@thomasromano9321]

I want to see Anne Francis. She invented the micro minidress. Seeing her in this film gave me such a fever.

[@mikegrossberg8624]

The "micro-mini" was, pretty much, a standard of female dress throughout 1950's sci fi films. Francis was NOT the first person to wear one. In any case, the dress was "invented" by somebody's costume department

[@itsonlycapnkirk]

I agree, not only was she years ahead of fashion but also had the most perfect legs ! Worth watching the movie just for her !

[@KutWrite]

@@mikegrossberg8624: So who was the first person to wear one? I know it was MGM's costumer who "invented" it, but as I read, they had to slip it past the limp-dick schlubs at the MPAA. In fact in England or Ireland this movie was banned 'til the 70s.

[@mikegrossberg8624]

@@KutWrite I can't remember which actress it was, but the "spacewoman's special" first appeared in a film from 1950, a B-movie, predating Forbidden Planet

[@KutWrite]

@@mikegrossberg8624: I remember seeing it on TV, too, but after F.P. I think the girl on Tom Corbett, Space Cadet wore a great mini, but not as micro as Anne's.

[@user-zy1vv9yb6g]

The only thing about Robby's design was that I always thought that he looked like a robotic Michelin man

[@PJKP82]

Personally, I think the forbidden planet is Epsilon III.

[@matthewdunham1689]

The beginning of sci-fi movie magic.

[@volodymyrvsahdneek5065]

Love the Theremin sounds of this movie.

[@barcham]

No theremin was used on the soundtrack of this movie.

[@sidneyburch2457]

I actually touched Robby the Robot. He was on display at a local theatre way back when. Also saw Earl Holloman at the Warner Bros lot doing Police Woman with Angie Dickinson.

[@imcallingjapan2178]

Where did you touch him?

[@peace-yv4qd]

@@imcallingjapan2178 On his arm and his rubber hand. 1957. The imperial theatre, Long Beach Ca. Movie. The Invisible Boy. I was twelve.

[@SogoTX]

"Ok Robbie... show us on the doll where the Human touched you..." ;) How cool that you got to touch a piece of Sci-Fi History!

[@slaughterhouse5585]

@@SogoTX Funny! 🤣🤣🤣

[@Nighthawke70]

The Krell's machine would have been a lot smaller had they discovered zero-point energy.

[@SeaDrive300]

Cmdr Adams: "Dr. Morbius, last night our klystron monitor was sabotaged." Morbius: "And you suspect me. Then the time has come for clarification." Morbius then launches into long tale about the Krell, none of which has anything to do with him not being responsible for the equipment sabotage that Adams is accusing him of. Morbius: "Why did I insert this big speech about a dead race into the movie at this point? Because it says so in the script, right here!"

[@magnoliagoh8572]

Best sci-fi movie ever

[@shadowthoughts7959]

Wait...Isn't this the name of the Shadows homeworld in Babylon 5?

[@markkens9]

I kept listening for Z'ha'dum, even though I did catch Altair 4.

[@jacksmith4460]

I think the OP meant epsilon 3

[@charlesphillips430]

Makes me wonder about our own world...and what we may discover when we ever get "Out There" I suspect that the universe has many surprises waiting for us

[@mikeyoung9810]

They approach him angry and confrontational. He says, "Sit down!" and they did.

[@Pygar2]

Why'd he have THREE chairs?

[@benquinneyiii7941]

Particularly useful

[@TramJizzle]

The only science fiction movie that matters

[@teddybetts3254]

Back when they actually used to give a damn about having a decent plot. The same basic plot was reused again in The Sphere: A machine/thing that could manifest your thoughts, with no provision in place for not manifesting murderous ones.

[@gibsonav]

They also mention adamantium ;)

[@trevormillar1576]

The Krell were also Captain Kremmen's enemy in thr Kenny Everett Video Show.

[@manfreakcaharambe942]

dr morbius just great acting n character to play that part robbby the robot great companion

[@josephwazocha140]

Forbidden Planet is where the idea of "Star Trek" came from.

[@radioflyer68911]

Cool Krell MP3 player.

[@axehammer3850]

Did he say towers made of Adamantium steel?

[@44excalibur]

Yes he did. This is the first use of the word "adamantium," a decade before the word was used by Marvel Comics to describe the indestructible metal that composed Ultron's armor or Wolverine's skeleton.

[@MetaSynForYourSoul]

No he did not. He said "adamantine steel". Metal off the gods of Marvel, stronger than Adamantium, gold in color. Gay Wolverine from earth 12025 uses this version of the metal. (Sidenote: I only call him Gay Wolverine because I swear all anybody ever remembers about him is that fact and that his claws are gold, not silver like his 616 counterpart, not out of any identifiable bigotry.)

[@ricahaurymn]

Adamant, alchemical term for diamond. We have carbon steel, diamonds are composed of carbon. We have clear aluminium now. Perhaps in the next twenty years, we will have managed to use pure carbon, diamonds, to create adamantium steel. We may already have it as diamond-tipped drill bits and saw blades?

[@Todd.P]

@@ricahaurymn The term actually dates back to the ancient Greeks, in describing the 3 noble metals of the Atlanteans, which were Adamant, Mithril, and Orichalcium, corresponding to gold, silver, copper.

[@johnwagner4776]

The word he actually pronounced was "adamantine": an adjective used to indicate great structural strength or unbreakbility. It can also be used to indicate a rigid or unchangeable opinion.

[@pegjames188]

People comment ahead of its time ,yet based on Shakespeare's The Tempest.

[@hebneh]

"Then the time has come for clarification...SIDDOWN!"

[@SogoTX]

(Thinking to themselves...) "Waitaminute... aren't WE the guys holding the BLASTERS???" ;)

[@judewarner1536]

Z'ha'dum was the mysterious planet in ''Babylon 5'' wasn't it?