FORD BRONCO vs JEEP WRANGLER - The Unadulterated Truth!

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@FreakyT333
@FreakyT333 2 жыл бұрын
To help a few fellow Jeepers on the “death wobble” issue discussed, when I bought mine used everything actually was upgraded and tight. I didn’t get serious death wobble but it was tracking poorly on the hwy/frwy, turned out mine needed a slight toe adjustment, I set it to about 1/4” out and it made a world of difference. So if you are actually tight check your toe, camber and caster. Go to a 4x4 shop to have it done right if you don’t have the ability yourself. Great vid btw, hurt feelings be dammed, we need unbiased real use info on all rigs, I’m so tired of biased arguments from others.
@HeartAE86
@HeartAE86 2 жыл бұрын
Thats more of a alignment issue then death wobble. Death wobble you wouldn't be able to drive. You literally have to come to a stop just to cancel the death wobble. , Death wobble is soo many factors that it makes it impossible to suggest fixing one thing. For new jeepers I would start like this, check track bar and make sure its tight/torqued, Check track bar holes/bushings. Then check ball joints, the most common ive seen is blown out ball joints. Its nothing for a jeep with bigger tires to destroy a set of ball joints in less then 15k miles. Check drag link , check tie rod as well. Check unit bearings ( Again ,bigger tires chew up unit bearings) Check tires, make sure they are properly balanced. Check alignment. Seems like a lot, but if you want to play with big heavy tires with aggressive offset wheels you need to maintain things more often. Unless you can afford the upgrades for those parts to last longer.
@brooktech7869
@brooktech7869 2 жыл бұрын
Yep death wobble happens to basic alignment issues. It's not a Jeep thing, it is a I don't know what is going on thing. for those that had there uncle install their tie rods.
@jefftenhave8038
@jefftenhave8038 2 жыл бұрын
@@HeartAE86 correct real death wobble comes from worn out parts, poor maintenance and improper modifications. Slight shakes or bumpsteer can occur from some very basic and easily fixed issues.
@zacharyfike1071
@zacharyfike1071 2 жыл бұрын
4Runner > Bronco > Wrangler. I’ve owned 8 Jeeps and now a Bronco and I’m pleasantly happy with the Bronco
@andreipretorius92
@andreipretorius92 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. For me, Jeep all the way. Love the lifestyle and community that comes with it
@ME-jt8mk
@ME-jt8mk 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve owned Jeeps and now a Bronco as well. The Bronco does everything that I want it to do here in Colorado….it handles the pucker factor just fine. For extreme off reading you’re spot on Jeep wins. However the extreme usage really hasn’t been my gig for either vehicle….$60K Jeep or Bronco I personally don’t want to tear either of them up. I know my limits based upon my driving abilities as well. Bronco wins based upon comfort!
@4High4Low
@4High4Low 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on comment, thanks for your reply. Extreme off Roading is not for everyone! Breaking something on 60K vehicle just means dollars and down time that is not fun to me!
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
The Bronco is honestly probably capable of MOST people’s comfort zone off road. Just need to pay close attention to the weak links (which is true for any vehicle when you challenge it’s limits)
@jothew1274
@jothew1274 2 жыл бұрын
If u want comfort then y even buy something made for off road mite as well buy a truck or car
@StovallH
@StovallH 2 жыл бұрын
@@jothew1274 For me is that you can’t take the doors and top off and have an off-road vehicle look.
@muthrfuqrjonz3530
@muthrfuqrjonz3530 2 жыл бұрын
I would have to add that the Bronco is a Ford lol and also in my opinion it’s not very attractive and incredibly overpriced!
@freedomin4low344
@freedomin4low344 2 жыл бұрын
I'm with you on the electronic transfer case. Long time ago but I had a Bronco II with a pushbutton 4x4 shifter and one of the first things I did was swap it out for a purely mechanical case.
@ewingfox6459
@ewingfox6459 2 жыл бұрын
I second this - have a 4Runner with the electric selector and it's the ONLY part of rhe vehicle that's failed to function, ever. Over 1,500 offroad miles and everyelse has been trouble free. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
@notreallyme425
@notreallyme425 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve debated between Bronco and Jeep. I doubt I’ll ever do hard core rock crawling like you guys, more moderate trails with plenty of trips to Target. So I think the Bronco would be better for me. Good to know the downsides. Great video content!
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely agree!
@j4yp3r
@j4yp3r 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed -- I still need a daily driver, where I will be 99% on paved surfaces or freeway. I still do long road trips, and want the comfort and handling of IFS. Bronco suits me just fine.
@warrenmiconi8141
@warrenmiconi8141 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite Y'all have an imposter that responds to my messages. Wanted to let you know.
@Rayankady
@Rayankady 2 жыл бұрын
Just the fact of having electronic transfer case is the deal breaker for me. I'm glad you mentioned that the first thing. Thought I was being too negative😅 mechanical always beats electric
@blown3312
@blown3312 Жыл бұрын
When they announced the Bronco I was hoping for a manual transfer case and solid front axle. But I had three items that were required, removable top, two door and manual transmission. They got all three of them. I picked up my two door Badlands manual Sasquatch with the 12 inch screen 5 days ago. Very happy with it.
@j4yp3r
@j4yp3r 2 жыл бұрын
So we know that in LiteBrite's earlier video (Jan 2022) on stock Bronco and stock Wrangler, the Bronco did 100% of everything the Jeep JL Rubicon did which was moderate difficulty at Sand Hollow with Trail Ratings of 8. This is probably as difficult a trail that 99% of off-roaders will never even do! This comparison video is from the perspective of extreme rock-crawlers where IFS will not perform as well on constantly climbing rocks taller than bumper height. Yes we know that IFS can't articulate as well as solid front axle but many offroaders will never see that situation so I feel this video is for the individual who will rock-crawl with a rig that has 20k+ of suspension upgrades. Bronco has much more practical use that 99.9% of people need.
@SixSixtiSix
@SixSixtiSix 2 жыл бұрын
LOL. This new Bronco should have looked like the real Bronco(Screw Artistic License). This version Suxit! And guess what... The Real Bronco was Solid Axel much more capable than this electronic nightmare. To each their own...
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
We actually agree that the Bronco will be capable of meeting the needs of 99% of owners off road. Extremely few owners, of either a Bronco or a Jeep, will ever find the limitations of their vehicle. However, the difficulty level of a trail is subjective. To us, the trail we did with the Jeep/Bronco in the video you mentioned is not a difficult trail (although to most people it probably would be considered extreme). However, we did reinforce the Bronco tie rods prior to attempting it. The factory ones otherwise would not have survived the drop into that bowl.
@zachariahyager3115
@zachariahyager3115 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The Subaru comparison was a low blow 😂. The Bronco is very capable and even better in some situations. Plus with some mods it will keep up with Jeeps anywhere but extreme rock crawling. Even then it can still do it it’s just not as well.
@brooktech7869
@brooktech7869 2 жыл бұрын
Just because you do no offroad does not mean that 99.9 percent do not offroad either. Logical fallacy going on here. Alot of Jeepers offroad.
@zachariahyager3115
@zachariahyager3115 2 жыл бұрын
@@brooktech7869 Do you not think the Bronco can off-road? Have you not seen what other vehicles can do besides Jeep’s? Many people off-road with all kinds of vehicles. The Bronco is one of the best off-road vehicles out of the factory ever made.
@richsmith3120
@richsmith3120 2 жыл бұрын
We fans appreciate that even though life throws you a curve every once in a while that you still continue to edit and post to your channel! I hope your F-450 isn't broken down to badly! Happy Trails to all of you!
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
We are back on the road! ❤️ Luckily we were able to fix the issue (which was user error lol). We’ll upload the video in a week or so. Lol
@richsmith3120
@richsmith3120 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite Glad to hear that! Happy Trails to all of you!
@leskobrandon538
@leskobrandon538 2 жыл бұрын
In regards to Death wobble, I had it in my 2005 Ram CTD/6sp 200,000miles... Was the ball joints.... I had a 75 K5 with 14leaf National Springs, that never had Death wobble for the 20yrs I had it... Started to get hints of Death wobble on the JK, changed the ball joints and welded/tightened up the trackbar bracket holes and the fixed the problem....
@RichardSandstrom1163
@RichardSandstrom1163 2 жыл бұрын
I think you guys summed that up rather well! I agree completely with the Pro's and Con's you gave. Bronco's Give that great ride with the IFS and have some nice features. Some of them are useful on the trail, on the other hand some of them can leave you stuck. Jeep's have always rode ruff and will go anywhere and they are good at what they was built for Off Road. Thanks for the un biased view on them.
@D3thM3tal
@D3thM3tal 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty much nailed it, our 4dr SAS Badlands doesn't creak and groan but others most certainly do. The power and the transmission are excellent, it drives so well you forget you are on 35's and can easily do 80+ at the end of a freeway entrance ramp. I'm used to wheeling fullsize stuff and my 74 on tons and I did lift tires quite a few times wheeling ours 4dr and it was uneasy but I could pound it up nearly anything I pointed the wheels at, what stopped me was more of a rock slider limitation than anything else. I think more than anything the Bronco will have to take a different driving style and approach that is different than solid axle swap vehicles and that will take nothing but time. SFA vehicles will put a tire up on a rock and jamb the other into the ground where IFS will carry a tire - which can be super beneficial, it just takes confidence and seat time to get there, which very few have at this point. I feel like once the front end weakness is solved the
@monteclampett7862
@monteclampett7862 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree! Have driven both and I tend to offroad more similar to what you guys do. For my purposes the Jeep has to be the choice. I daily as well but I can go anywhere anytime the urge hits me.
@jamilleizer
@jamilleizer 2 жыл бұрын
About the death wobble, it can be a good thing. You could justify upgrading the whole front end to your significant other piece at a time chasing it.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
😁🤙
@mikesveganlife4359
@mikesveganlife4359 2 жыл бұрын
The "death wobble" is a side effect of the recirculating ball stearing box. The same type of stearing box that all vehicles had for a long time, and all over the road trucks still have. By design there is some play when stationary due to the clearance needed in the balls. Worn suspension parts emphasis this play and can allow for oscilating movement even if the driver isn't trying to turn the wheel, particularly if you let things go too far. With a rack and pinion steering the driver is faster to notice this wear and the lack of play in the system prevents it from oscilating back and forth like a recirculating ball steering gear.
@allenm7
@allenm7 2 жыл бұрын
Love the bronco. I'm not an extreme rock crawler. Love overlanding and going on adventures and the bronco fits. It's great on the highway and off-road. Not the best off-roaders but definitely the best of both worlds.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
I would agree but the build quality is so bad. It feels like a 25k rental car. If the fit and finish was on par with a 60k vehicle it would be a no brainer
@GhostRiderAZ
@GhostRiderAZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite This is purely subjective imo. I personally think the interior "style" on the Jeeps is nicer, with a few exceptions, but I wouldn't suggest that the general "quality" of the interior is much better than the Bronco. On the contrary I actually like the overall layout of the Bronco more than a Jeep, I also feel the Bronco is a LOT more comfortable. Granted, there are some 1st/2nd year gremlins on the bronco (rattles, etc) that I am sure will get resolved eventually, and Jeep has had a bit more time to resolve those little things right out of the gate. However, every jeep I have ever owned or been in, that was more than a couple years old had all of the same types of long-term quality issues. In the end, we accept those things because of what the vehicle is capable of doing otherwise, but if we were making the decision based on interior fit and finish alone, there are better options than both, that are almost as capable, if not just as capable with a few modifications. Within reason of course, as if you're building a dedicated super hard-core rock crawling rig, Jeep is still your only option for the most part, but in those cases you've probably already ripped out or destroyed most of your interior anyway lol! P.S. Peanut Butter is freakin' adorable!
@stevekisch7444
@stevekisch7444 2 жыл бұрын
We've had both. A 2016 Wrangler and a 2021 Bronco Badlands. No comparison...at least for us. Bronco hands down. Narrow foot well of Wrangler became tiresome on long trips. IFS offers much better ride on road. 10 speed auto smooth as silk compared to 5 speed auto we had in Jeep amd doesn't stall in reverse like Jeep did in cold weather. Love the A pillar mounted mirrors. And Bronco has an amazing heater! Driving Jeep even with hard top in cold Wisconsin winter was a cool undertaking. We really did enjoy our Jeep, but Bronco is just better for us in every way.
@jehines3
@jehines3 2 жыл бұрын
This is a great summary of your experience with both vehicles. You were honest about the positives and negatives both offer. Where the person lives and their intent of off road is a major influence of which is the best choice. If I were to ever go full on rock hoping a purpose build vehicle is the only way to go. 90% of either vehicle will barely leave pavement or occasional dirt road. Ford built the Bronco to hit the majority use case.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Correct!! ❤️
@davidyoung30
@davidyoung30 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I built a Jeep and while I love the fact that I can drive it across the country and seriously wheel I often wonder if I should’ve built a purpose built buggy. Could have done it for the same money spent in upgrades on my Jeep.
@ajstar89
@ajstar89 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with a lot of what you said, but I believe a lot of your issues are specific to your model and how you off road. For example rear cup holders, my trim has them in the rear armrest in the seats, and they’re awesome. Regarding trust, I have had a completely different experience. We’ve done thousands of miles off road in Baja and on the socal trail system with no issues. We recently took a group of 15 broncos down to Baja, and 0 issues on the gen6 platform. The tie rod issues are blown out of proportion by people who drive IFS like a rigid axel, don’t respect the geometry of the suspension when lifting them, and sell solutions to fix the “problem”. Our new shop is in South Utah, when the LT system is done in the next few months, we’d love to have you in and show you what you’re missing. 🤙
@larrybriggs2920
@larrybriggs2920 2 жыл бұрын
I would like to know more about your new shop.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, someone else mentioned that their leather option came with center fold down cup holders. But for a $65K vehicle, it just seems like back seat cupholders should exist. 😅 Outside of that, you’re correct. The definition of “trail difficulty” is subjective. What we consider to be easy or moderate, are usually trails 99% of people would never attempt (even in their Jeep). Most people aren’t used to or willing to actually find the limits of their off road vehicles like we are. For rock crawling, an IFS rig will never out perform a comparable solid axle rig. But for baja style off roading, a solid axle will never out perform a comparable IFS vehicle. Can an IFS rock crawl, and can a solid axle baja? Of course. But they’ll experience a failure before the one that’s in its element.
@ajstar89
@ajstar89 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite True dat, and by the way great content in the videos! I agree to a point, portals are changing the game for IFS. The solid axel is a more cost effective solution for crawling to the general public, but a center mount IFS with portals is the best for crawling period its just a huge investment. Ultra 4 is proving this each year as more teams convert.
@scottrblum
@scottrblum 2 жыл бұрын
@@ajstar89 but ultra 4 teams aren't converting because they are better crawlers. They are converting because the ifs is so much faster in the desert that they make up way more time than they lose in the rocks to the solid axle vehicles. Yes the portals help them more but they are still inferior in the rocks. But god are they fast in the desert.
@devarskinnee8760
@devarskinnee8760 2 жыл бұрын
New puppy is pretty cool.shes in good hands,and Jeep. Honesty is the best content.
@maccam26
@maccam26 2 жыл бұрын
The Jeep for washboards, dirt roads and woops is my JT Mojave !! Ok not a wrangler but … it’s a Jeep. No rear cup holders , no rear a/c… can’t be family vehicle. It does look cool though appearance wise.
@michaeljordan6090
@michaeljordan6090 2 жыл бұрын
I love my 22 Mohave , it’s the best Jeep on the highway and it’s great for the crappy bumpy dirt roads we have in maine. I don’t rock crawl, but I can fly down bumpy washboard roads!!
@genxgamerdad141
@genxgamerdad141 2 жыл бұрын
Have a 21 Wrangler diesel, love the Bronco. Up until a few months ago, I considered getting a Bronco. I recently started pulling 4x8 utility trailer with roof top tent mounted to it. Also, have awning mounted to the side of the Jeep. Really like the pulling power of the diesel in these AZ hills/mountains while getting 20 mpg with 3 passengers and gear/food. Guess I'll keep the Jeep for a bit longer. 🙂
@ryangillies5279
@ryangillies5279 2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with all the bad things about the Bronco. I hate the fact that there are no cupholders and no heat or air in the back seat. Huge let down. The overall lack of storage was something I noticed immediately especially after owning a Chevy High Country. Cab noise and shitty windshield was another thing. Windshield was split at 6000km and every little tiny rock leaves a huge chip. I thought the ride would be way more choppy but the Wildtrak I own rides better than the 4 Runner limited with the Bilstein ride height shocks. I still love the 4runner though. I totally agree with your assessment of the Bronco and Jeep. I chose the Bronco due to the smooth ride and the fact 95% of my driving is on pavement or gravel. I had the death wobble in my 2010 Power Wagon and it was pretty terrifying at 120 km/hr. Someone commented below that the Wildtrak has rear vents they barely blow and air and it gets super cold up here in Canada. If you plan on having passengers in the rear seats in the winter get a 12 volt heated blanket.
@MR.TOYBOX
@MR.TOYBOX 2 жыл бұрын
You should have just got a Subaru!!
@dancollee9316
@dancollee9316 2 жыл бұрын
Great video.. I love the non biased opinions you guys give.. I’m on my 3rd Wrangler now, needless to say I love them.. Having never driven a new Bronco I can not opine on them what so ever.. they look very capable and appear to have better road manners for sure…what I can say is that when I look at a Bronco I feel nothing.. there is something about the look of a Wrangler that can not be duplicated..For that reason alone I would never replace my Jeep, no matter what!!
@michaeljones2960
@michaeljones2960 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kevin and Brittany for telling the truth about death wobbles. It's always the track bar or tie rods are worn out. Bolt holes are always next. But yeah that's a jeep thing with any aftermarket lift kit if it's not done right. Let Chris install your lift kit and you'll never experience the death wobbles 💯💯💯
@rockcrawlerchurch2976
@rockcrawlerchurch2976 2 жыл бұрын
With the stock housings you need to keep and eye on the track bar brackets too. I had my front snap off the diff. Mind you its copped a LOT of abuse before and during my ownership. For me ill choose jeep for the fact i honestly am just not a fan of 99% of what ford design purely based on looks. Thats just a personal taste thing
@EpicConspiracy
@EpicConspiracy 2 жыл бұрын
Though if you want a used Jeep go to a ford dealership. Their used lots are stocked full of traded in jeeps.
@isaiahburgess4533
@isaiahburgess4533 2 жыл бұрын
So Glad I sold my Jeep, Where I agree with many points you guys made I would still take a Bronco over the Jeep. I fit in the crowd of go fast off road and I just never felt I could safely in the jeep. I swapped out so many times on minor crap on Power line roads it was not funny. Maybe Ford will work some rear A/C vents and cup holders into the rear at some point. I know Leather trimmed seat option has the center drop down with the holders, should have do that with all of them Ford!!
@jeffpalmer9773
@jeffpalmer9773 2 жыл бұрын
Plus, while I think the lack of rear cupholders is ridiculous, it's an easy 10 minute fix with aftermarket options. The IAG one looks like a great option and an easy install. The AC problem, however, is not an easy fix. People say Ford must have forgotten the rear AC, but that seems like a huge oversight I just can't believe their engineers would miss. They chose not to include it, but I'd sure like to hear from them why. Bronco all the way, since it does everything off-road in Moab for me I would ever try to do in a vehicle this expensive, and it's miles ahead of the Wrangler on-road. Btw, I'm a HUGE Mopar guy, and I'm definitely a Jeep fan. Jeep fanboys don't want to fathom this, and Bronco sales will probably be the decisive factor, but no one should be shocked when the next generation of Wrangler has IFS.
@SixSixtiSix
@SixSixtiSix 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffpalmer9773 Jeep having IFS from stock? Dream on. Anyone believing this is delusional. With Dodge giving up on Charger and Challenger for a BullSh*t EV Daytona... The USA has no time for this IFS nonsense.
@AlexRodriguez-gz7ct
@AlexRodriguez-gz7ct 2 жыл бұрын
@@SixSixtiSix USA? Jeep is Italian now 😂
@SixSixtiSix
@SixSixtiSix 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexRodriguez-gz7ct More the pity... As I am not inclined purchase a Rubicon. Yet, I am a huge fan of LiteBrite. Who are fans of the Jeep Rubicon? I think highly of Brittany and Kevin. I agree with them on both counts: Jeeps are inherently great rock crawlers and that the Bronco with IFS performs better as an over landing vehicle. As to the comment of Jeep being Fiat, my two Jeeps were built by the American Motors Corporation: 1974 and 1979 CJ5s. That pretty much sums up my story. My Jeeps are massively upgraded, do what Jeeps do best and do it very well. Built in the USA, Southfield, Michigan.
@tntzimmerman9552
@tntzimmerman9552 2 жыл бұрын
Von gittin jr is going to be fuming. I’ve broke multiple tie rods and split my steering rack once. He commented on my comment on a different channel and said I was full of poo. Lol thanks for being honest and transparent.
@scottdunn1371
@scottdunn1371 2 жыл бұрын
Fun video. I think I’m still happy w my 4Runner TRD OR purchase. Added sliders and 3 inch Bilstein lift. I have taken it on some fairly tough trails but it handles so nice on-road too. Plus it should last forever. I do not doubt Jeep/Bronco are more offroad capable stock but would love to see a 4Runner comparison video!
@xaphan8581
@xaphan8581 2 жыл бұрын
Bro you should be happy, the 4Runner is bad ass. People are taking this video way to serious. Really they should be glad we have more options to look at for off roading
@scottdunn1371
@scottdunn1371 2 жыл бұрын
@@xaphan8581 Options are always good!
@notoriousbdp
@notoriousbdp 2 жыл бұрын
I almost laughed out loud when you started talking about people who have an Outback and want to do more. While neither I, nor anyone I know, would describe me as fitting the Subaru profile, my last three daily driver/exploration vehicles were Foresters. But, I often was often limited in where I could go in my Subies, so I reserved a Bronco Badlands in August 2020. After waiting two years for the Bronco to show up (I still have a reservation, BTW, but will cancel soon), I finally gave up and started looking at a Defender. In the end, I bought a fully loaded 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee Trailhawk at the end of June 22 and never looked back. For what we do (frequent road trips into and moderate trails, so far -- but we do want to do more with it), it's absolutely perfect (AND it's got vented seats, A/C in vents in the rear, an awesome sound system, the tow hitch I had dropped from the Bronco order in hopes of getting it faster -- and with the 6,200 lbs towing capacity, we can very easily travel with our our 5,000 lbs (when fully loaded) travel trailer, and so much more!).
@groberts1980
@groberts1980 2 жыл бұрын
As a software engineer, I don't trust software. I wouldn't want an electrical (software controlled) transfer case like that. Same reason I would never trust auto drive in a car that features it. I'm too close to software to ever trust software that much. As to the Bronco seats I think I'd have done cloth seats. Companies actually make ventilated seat covers which honestly work decently well.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Swapping to Katskin covers would definitely make a world of difference
@LGoody9273
@LGoody9273 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, more electronics, more (potential) problems.
@willxplorer
@willxplorer 2 жыл бұрын
So as a software engineer, you don't trust your work? Are you happy with that? It is like a doctor saying I don't trust medicine. Anyways, AI/IT/Software is the future. If you don't believe in it, get out of it for someone who believes in it
@LGoody9273
@LGoody9273 2 жыл бұрын
@@willxplorer As someone that relies on software at work, I'm gonna have to side with Greg on this one. When it works it's great, when it crashes, not so much. Servo motors are cool too but in my experience they do fail more often than linkage or cable systems. And you're not wrong electronics have taken over every aspect of our vehicles, shit even clutches on manuals are electronically controlled now, unfortunately. Doctors... They call it practicing medicine for a reason.
@vincedagiel3905
@vincedagiel3905 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the unbiased review. I know I made the right choice with Jeep.
@4High4Low
@4High4Low 2 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video. After watching this video, I feel alot better about waiting for my bronco badlands SAS that I have ordered VS buying a Wrangler. For me not planning to be a hard core off road'er and only weekend trail riding and mostly street usage the bronco appears to be a better fit for me. Not having kids that are going to be riding in the back seats and rarely have anyone riding in the back, lack of adequate A/C is not a great concern, sucks to be a back seat passenger. LOL
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Sounds like you’ve definitely picked the better option for your use! If you didn’t, though, I would definitely recommend going with a hard top on your Bronco!
@Noisy_Cricket
@Noisy_Cricket 2 жыл бұрын
They really need to fix the back seat A/C thing though. My damn Prius has backseat A/C. I've watched reviews and reviewers don't even seem to mention it because it's just expected smh.
@bobvedder2451
@bobvedder2451 2 жыл бұрын
We are a two jeep family. She drives a jeep wrangler unlimited rubicon with the turbo four banger. I drive the jeep gladiator rubicon 3.6. Both of our rigs are automatics. I didnt want to lose some tow rating by going manual.shift. My only complaint with the gladiator is the drivers seat wont stay adjusted up where i like it.
@brianriley9497
@brianriley9497 2 жыл бұрын
As an owner of a 392 and a First Edition, thank you for this video. you covered it all. I coudnt agree more with everything you said. at the end of the day I cant help but feel like I payed to much for the Bronco. Never once haave a felt like that with my 392. #thelasttimefordripsmyoff
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
If Ford could just improve the fit/finish quality on the Bronco, it would arguably be the #1 choice for most people (as most people will never do anything difficult enough off road to require a SFA).
@zaphods2ndhead193
@zaphods2ndhead193 2 жыл бұрын
I have a Bronco, 2dr, Badlands, Squatch owner and just took it to Ouray. I upgraded to FabTech's heim joint full tie rods. I put the BroncBuster bushing in it. I replaced the bumper to a steel winch bumper w/Warn that let me still retain the front camera. Nothing else, yet. So far the hardest thing I have done is Poughkeepsie Gulch but I didn't try the wall. I agree with most of the weaknesses you point out on the Bronco. I WILL be replacing the steering rack, shocks and plating over time. For what I do the Bronco, so far, does exactly what I need it to do. On road is SO much better than a Jeep and that is where I spend 99% of my time.
@zaphods2ndhead193
@zaphods2ndhead193 2 жыл бұрын
I love the stay-bar disconnect when under load. I like being able to lock the front axel independent of the back. I like Trail Turn Assist. I have used all of those. I am surprised the stock config has as much travel on the IFS as it does but it can be improved. It still won't ever be as much as a solid front axel. For MY driving, I am ok with that compromise.
@zaphods2ndhead193
@zaphods2ndhead193 2 жыл бұрын
Try some of the old Jeeps. The "fit and finish" were horrible. Jeeps improved a lot over time, a LONG time. I believe the Bronco will do the same as long as they keep building them. This is still the first generation. Even the aftermarket is just getting started. With time, redesigns by Ford and the aftermarket will, hopefully, make the Bronco better on and off road. At least that is my hope. I still love mine.
@zaphods2ndhead193
@zaphods2ndhead193 2 жыл бұрын
There is NO excuse for not having better vents for the back. That was a HUGE mistake for Ford. It isn't as bad on the 2dr.
@DownNDirty_OffRoad
@DownNDirty_OffRoad 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the Bronco was designed more for the moderate off-roader, much weaker than the Wrangler. I wheeled around Shelby Hall during EJS and she pushed her 2 door Bronco hard she couldn’t keep up with me over tough obstacles at all, but would run me down on mild trails!! It was a fun game on Top of the world Trail. She zipped right through the Escalator on Hell’s revenge though!!🤷🏻‍♂️ Great honest review!!!
@Co1eTrain84
@Co1eTrain84 2 жыл бұрын
i mean considering the Bronco Badlands was easily able to keep up with a Rubicon on trails(Both in stock form) suggests the Bronco isn't "Much weaker" that suggests its at least on par with a stock wrangler. i know a few Jeep guys that got Broncos too and said they are just as capable.
@megacolinmiller
@megacolinmiller 2 жыл бұрын
@@Co1eTrain84 agree, I’ve taking my bronco out on some scary big Ditch trails. I didn’t think it could handle them. Boy was I wrong 😂, it can handle them without a doubt.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, part of the difference & where our opinion sort of derived from is that most people genuinely don’t know what a stock Rubicon is actually capable of. Which is understandable, because most people aren’t willing or can’t afford to push the limits of their vehicle like we have done & still do. What a lot of people consider to be “hard” trails is subjective. An easier way of saying this is - If the same person drove each vehicle back to back on let’s say a 7 or 8 rated trail, over and over and over again, the Bronco is likely to begin showing its weak points much sooner than the Wrangler would. It’s not saying that the Bronco can’t do it. It’s just more of a question of how many times can you confidently & reliably do it before something gives.
@hotrod7603
@hotrod7603 2 жыл бұрын
The Bronco is not a moderate offroader just upgrade the tie rods then can go anywhere
@DownNDirty_OffRoad
@DownNDirty_OffRoad 2 жыл бұрын
@@hotrod7603 That changes the factory vehicle comparison of the 2 vehicles, does it not?!
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 2 жыл бұрын
No one has done the comparison yet but Id be willig to bet a stock 2 door wrangler sport out the box is a better vehicle off road than Bronco 2 door base off. On road everyday driving the Bronco will be better most likely due to the front IFS
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure about that - Because I think you can equip a base Bronco with lockers from Factory, which you cannot do on a Sport Wrangler. (Correct us if we’re wrong there but pretty sure most, if not all, Bronco trims could potentially be equipped with lockers)
@ScottyBennitone
@ScottyBennitone 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite You cannot option a base two door with lockers on a Ford bronco
@libonation
@libonation 2 жыл бұрын
@@ScottyBennitone . Correct. The lowest trim that you can add lockers to is the big bend (the secret poor man off-road build). I know this because I own one (it was about 500 to add).
@phelandeluna5439
@phelandeluna5439 2 жыл бұрын
I bet the Wrangler Willys will beat the the Broncos with lockers! Because those Bronco lockers look more like a limited slip having a spasm...lol
@Alan-ju1ku
@Alan-ju1ku 2 жыл бұрын
Spot on, little details like the vents in the back can make all the difference for a family that wants to explore moderate trails.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Someone did mention that the upgraded leather option Broncos have a center fold down with cup holders? We just figured our $65K one would also have them. 😅😅
@RSDX99
@RSDX99 2 жыл бұрын
Based on your reviews. 1. Drive your Bronco to watch Jeeps rock crawl. 2. Trailer your Jeep to do rock crawling events.
@billywilliams7987
@billywilliams7987 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video I would like to make one suggestion and I know you guys are extremely extremely busy I would go through your old videos or your mind and think of a trail that really tested the Jeep in stock ish form/stepchild and take the Bronco through the same trail and an insert videos on how it did compared to the Bronco against the stepchild , I think back to some of your older videos & all the scrapes and hang up , like the time you pivoted the Jeep on a rock and turned it almost all the way around , so funny , you guys did put that thing through hell , I don't think anybody tested the Jeep platform like you guys did absolutely awesome videos , 👍
@frankgeimer5952
@frankgeimer5952 2 жыл бұрын
I thank you for your unbiased pro's and con's on both vehicles. I really appreciate someone who will honestly rate a product. Depending on what you do, you can now make an informed decision thanks to Lie Brite!
@straubdavid9
@straubdavid9 2 жыл бұрын
That's "Lite Brite" 😂
@Scout_Shitbox
@Scout_Shitbox 2 жыл бұрын
Unbiased 😂
@oneshotpete6.591
@oneshotpete6.591 2 жыл бұрын
Your guy’s overall outtake between the 2 vehicles, holds the most value , when comparing other youtube reviews …simply because you guys own and wheel both ….
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
And we genuinely don’t have any loyalty to either. We personally prefer our Jeep because of the type of rock crawling we do, but the Bronco absolutely has its place & could probably handle what 90% of owners would ever throw at it.
@daledubose3032
@daledubose3032 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to take a guess... Bronco drives better on road and faster off-road sections while the Jeep crawls and generally does the harder trails better.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Among other things, yes. Lol
@exordis
@exordis 2 жыл бұрын
Another negative for the Bronco is that Ford chime. It's annoying. It's ridiculously annoying to have to hear it 3-4 times on every startup.
@rds8764
@rds8764 2 жыл бұрын
As a bronco owner and former jeep owner I think this was a fair comparison. However, you are looking at it through the eyes of super hardcore crazy shit territory. For 98% of the population the bronco is a probably a better choice in my opinion.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. 99% of Jeep & Bronco owners will never find the limits of their vehicles like we do.
@brooktech7869
@brooktech7869 2 жыл бұрын
99 percent of Jeepers don't wheel or meet that requirement. WHAT? Many people offroad. I have group of 500 in my Jeep group that upgrade all their steering, on 35s or more and lifted, uh yea that's like 99 percent of jeepers that are capable. I do not understand this logic that no one is off-roading. I bet people think my Jeep is a mall crawler because I have flashy red rims and still have to shop at Walmart like everyone else to feed my family. I have been on over 50 trails including rated 9 badge trails. It's more of a conceited viewpoint. Guess what, you're not special, and the Bronco is still IFS lol.
@mikeeshim
@mikeeshim 2 жыл бұрын
@@brooktech7869 I believe they meant 99% will never push their cars, be it a B or a J, to their absolute limits, which I believe is a fair assessment.
@Saustin1988
@Saustin1988 2 жыл бұрын
@@brooktech7869 even in your group of 500.. that all go off road hard.. consider if you drive around any city, you see jeeps literally everywhere.. they’re unbelievably popular, and MAYBE 2% actually do intense off roading.. and that’s probably generous. Driving around the greater Boston area you hardly even see a Jeep with dirt on it.. lol like 1 out of 1000… and 99% of jeeps I pass by 0 modifications outside of aesthetics.
@Thatbeardedguy86
@Thatbeardedguy86 2 жыл бұрын
@@brooktech7869 you’re…an idiot. That is all.
@aliciaclinton2512
@aliciaclinton2512 2 жыл бұрын
UMMM no rear AC!!! BUT I found the vents are mounted underneath the front seats. Thats not enough. Thats a no for us. I got 3 littles and that just wont work. That makes me kinda disappointed. I feel bad for those in CA, AZ and all those hot states. Great video. We know what we get in a Jeep. We now know what we get in a Bronco. Love the honest truth and breakdown.
@mjb2048
@mjb2048 2 жыл бұрын
Bronco sounds like a fun beast but ONLY if it is followed around by a support crew in a Wrangler or Gladiator. The default failure mode of the Tcase is a deal breaker for me.
@jeffforbes70
@jeffforbes70 2 жыл бұрын
i think a lot of bronco owners are learning about goat mode hype
@TLOverlander
@TLOverlander 2 жыл бұрын
My 2 door Squatched Badlands does everything I need it to do as a daily and Overlander. It'll never do Rubicon type trails. Perfect fit 👍🏻
@rocklanderoffroad
@rocklanderoffroad 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the Bronco would make a good overland vehicle and Ill keep my Jeep for crawling!
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Bronco would definitely make a great overlander!
@grrggasior7340
@grrggasior7340 2 жыл бұрын
you guys are one of the only couples online that i enjoy watching, keep up the great work
@Internationlriders
@Internationlriders 2 жыл бұрын
Stock for stock I'll take the Bronco everyday, if you do a minor lift and bigger tires I'll still take the Bronco every day (with supporting steering mods from Bronc Buster). If you're modifying your rig to the point of almost being a buggy, well then I don't think you can realistically even do that with a Bronco the way you can with a Jeep. I still think the biggest weaknesses of the factory Wrangler are: axles with anything bigger than factory tires, tie rod ends, and electronics, otherwise the Jeep can be had for way less than MSRP and obviously is the better rock crawler. So apples to apples stock vs stock, perhaps excluding the electronic transfer case on the Bronco - the Bronco is tried and proven to be more reliable then a Wrangler. Numbers of warranty claims don't lie if you compare the two vehicles against each other.
@Thatbeardedguy86
@Thatbeardedguy86 2 жыл бұрын
Number of warranty claims? It’s a very new vehicle still with not a lot of actual numbers on the road. I wouldn’t claim reliability numbers just yet. I still prefer the Bronco as well but I’m just saying.
@Internationlriders
@Internationlriders 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thatbeardedguy86 yes but primarily based on how many Wrangler claims get made. I don't hate the Wrangler, I actually like them but they're a bit too small for a guy of my stature and the only one with decent power is the 392.
@Thatbeardedguy86
@Thatbeardedguy86 2 жыл бұрын
@@Internationlriders the 2.0 is pretty good actually. I mean it moves a brick on wheels 0-60 in under 7 and around 6 for the 2Door. Nothing against the Bronco at all either. My friend has one and they’re really nice rides. If only it wouldn’t take 2 years to get one lol
@Internationlriders
@Internationlriders 2 жыл бұрын
@@Thatbeardedguy86 definitely. I got really fortunate to get mine and am super happy with it 😎
@Thatbeardedguy86
@Thatbeardedguy86 2 жыл бұрын
@@Internationlriders congrats. They’re all great vehicles. Haters can hate.
@gabrielduran1665
@gabrielduran1665 2 жыл бұрын
The bronco came out with a hoss 3.0 suspension which fixes some of the issues with the upgraded steering box out of the bronco raptor and thicker stronger tie rods and upgraded bushings and shocks from factory giving you a suspension close to the bronco raptor edition which is more reliable so most of your issues aren’t with the bronco but with your specific model and build out
@DB-xd7sr
@DB-xd7sr 2 жыл бұрын
From the moment you guys bought this Bronco I’ve been waiting for this comparison/review!! I’m a Jeeper for life and have been super curious about an unbiased comparison! Thank you guys! Much love to you both and your content 🙏👍✌️🤟
@pennypackmtb2542
@pennypackmtb2542 2 жыл бұрын
Great point on being able to fix something in the field simply. Being able to get out, can be a life and death situation depending on your predicament or costly So I wouldn't go far off road with a Bronco. It's my trust issues. lol.
@danielrach2724
@danielrach2724 2 жыл бұрын
I’d be curious about perspective on customer care/service from either company. Had a recent horrible experience with my Rubi at 6000 miles and Jeep tried to talk their way out of it and frustrate instead of doing the right thing. Terrible.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, unless you have a great dealership to help you , they’re probably both a pain to deal with.
@RickStefani
@RickStefani 2 жыл бұрын
I drive on purpose to a dealer further away because they are great and actually Jeep people not not just a new car lot. I have also ran into this depending on where I go.
@broncobros2022
@broncobros2022 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, a good dealer can be hard to find. When you find a good one it can make all the difference in the world with your ownership experience
@RickStefani
@RickStefani 2 жыл бұрын
@@broncobros2022 shout out to enumclaw jeep. Best in the pacific North West I have run into. Auburn was not bad and had a good dive bar close by for when getting service. ;)
@tommymopar8733
@tommymopar8733 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, in the 80s I ran a 77 K-5 blazer 8 inches of lift 40 inch gumbos four speed Toploader, was mostly into mud water and trails, never was big into rock crawling, you’re right about the straight axle in the front a lot stronger, independent front suspension you get a better ride, and like most people said extreme four wheeling not too many people do, just purchased a two door black diamond it’s a base with 35 inch tires, my son has the badlands Sasquatch, and we will be going four wheeling in the early spring, up here in Pennsylvania, and like you said Chevy drop the ball they could’ve came out with a blazer since they’ve been around since 67, that would’ve been a nice three-way competition, looking forward to seeing more videos
@Majja13
@Majja13 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome comparison i love that you can tell it like it is. On a side note i would love to see Kevin behind the wheel of a trophy truck. And Secondly what is in the list of don’t like with the Ferrari.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
If people really want to know, we could do a pro/con video of the Ferrari. Hopefully Ferrari doesn’t cancel us. Lol
@Spdrcerjt-f4m
@Spdrcerjt-f4m 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite based upon their history, they would definitely cancel. They do not play. 😆
@Majja13
@Majja13 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite that would be really cool to see an honest review of a Ferrari. the 1st pro the sound of a Ferrari it just tickles the neather regions.
@lesfillin
@lesfillin 2 жыл бұрын
A good conclusion. The Bronco is designed for people who want a comfortable daily driver which can be taken off road, but not for people who want to do "serious" off roading/rock crawling. Jeep is designed for people who want to do "serious" off roading/rock crawling and also can be used on the highway.
@shanethemanoftheword
@shanethemanoftheword 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like they compensated the AC system knowing there weren't any rear passenger vents. At max AC its really powerful.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Possibly! We just know that during a Utah summer where temps can reach 120*, no rear vents are definitely no bueno for rear passengers.
@bradtyson6280
@bradtyson6280 2 жыл бұрын
Front seats people freeze back seat sweating
@GhostRiderAZ
@GhostRiderAZ 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradtyson6280 I live in AZ, same temps if not hotter on average than Utah. I just cross the center left over to the right rear passenger and the center right vent over to the left rear passenger and everybody seems to be happy, if not too cold. I also have a MIC top, so that obviously makes a difference.
@d.t.3540
@d.t.3540 2 жыл бұрын
There is air in the back, its under each front seat......but yes bad design
@indojeep2623
@indojeep2623 2 жыл бұрын
I like that yall point out the pros of competition. Funny that yall bring up death wobble. I've got a tiny vibration in mine a higher speeds and afraid it's going to turn into death wobble.
@jefftheis742
@jefftheis742 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not feeling the new bronco's,love the old school look, but that's as far as it goes,not hating on your channel I do enjoy it,just feel like the bronco is over hyped
@MattButlerAL
@MattButlerAL 2 жыл бұрын
The Bronco fills the gap between a 4Runner and a Jeep more so than a Subaru and a Jeep...at least that's my take.
@wvlongshooter3912
@wvlongshooter3912 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Subaru comparison !!!! Subaru then a Bronco then step up to a real 4x4, THE JEEP WRANGLER!!! YES YES, priceless!!!!!!! Thanks for the honest thoughts on the Bronco. Y’all are so spot on and I feel y’all were very honest and fair!! Thanks!!!
@SharpShooter9867
@SharpShooter9867 2 жыл бұрын
Hey man, the jeep transfer case lever is not mechanical, its just a switched lever that's designed and made to feel like one. All of the internal components and gearing is still controlled by servos and actuators, if it was mechanical then you wouldn't have had the issues you had with the previous TCase on the Step Child. The only way to get a mechanical case on either of these would be to swap one in aftermarket.
@trjnsd6874
@trjnsd6874 2 жыл бұрын
Another fun, interesting video. Your assessments are spot on! I wish Bilstein made 6100s for my Jeep (WK). I didn’t spend $60K+, just $10K years ago! IFS has a great ride on road and big limits off road, but since I don’t rock crawl with it I’m fine. StepChild is still the Queen and amazing; I wish she could be cloned! LiteBriteNationBustsBroncs!
@phelandeluna5439
@phelandeluna5439 2 жыл бұрын
I love my WK! Would take it over the Bronco anyday!
@markalexander774
@markalexander774 2 жыл бұрын
I have a JL with leather seats and I feel like I am the only one who has no problem with them. Maybe it's because this is the first new car that I have bought. Prior to this I was riding around in an old 2002 Honda Accord, and the seats in that were cloth, they were totally worn in, they always felt hot because the car had no air conditioning. Compared to that, the Wrangler is like a Rolls Royce. I have taken my Wrangler on a few long road trips, and neither myself nor my girlfriend ever felt like it was uncomfortable. I have yet to take it on any long extensive road trips, but the few relatively easy off road trails I have done, the Wrangler felt fine. I would say that the only thing I would change about the interior is the fact that the ground is carpet. I have rubber mats, but they are still sitting on top of carpet. I would like to easily be able to just remove the mats and wash the ground, but that is a little harder and trickier with carpet on the bottom.
@NB-yn7dv
@NB-yn7dv 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I don’t get why everyone acts like they way jeeps handle is some kind of plague on society and that they only good thing they can do is rock crawl. I put about 25000 miles a year on my wrangler and I think it is very pleasant to drive.
@phillipcraggs6202
@phillipcraggs6202 2 жыл бұрын
I love my JL, it truly is the best iteration so far. I've never had an ongoing issue with death wobble. There were some growing pains after installing the lift and 37's. but got it sorted out and its been my daily driver, I bought it new in March 2018. I've put almost 130,000kms on it, roughly 80,000 miles. I've had zero problems, other than the factory recalls, and it still has the original windshield. No cracks. As for the Bronco, I have no interest in it. I don't like the look, its bigger and heavier than the Wrangler. Ford let a lot of things slide and pretty much ignored quality control with the fit and finish. I also don't like the engine choices and I hate the electronic transfer case. Don't get me wrong, I like Ford, I've owned Fords, but tell me Ford didn't push the Bronco out before it was ready. At least, thats the way it looks to me. Great info. Your thoughts and opinions are cool to listen to. Oh, and I still get better than 21MPG on the highway.
@Wrangzilla
@Wrangzilla 2 жыл бұрын
Same. Ive had 2 TJ's and 2 JK's, both new when they were out. I loved my TJ's, hated my 3.8 JKR, and wasnt too thrilled with my 3.6 JKS. Now my JL? I've had her 2 years so far and absolutely love it. Mine has 37's as well and factory windshield still.... knock on wood....
@jmanlevan
@jmanlevan 2 жыл бұрын
Any issues with your JL regarding paint bubbling/corrosion around your door hinges or hood hinges? Bubbles in your paint anywhere?
@baseafbronco
@baseafbronco 2 жыл бұрын
100000% with you on the electronic transfer case. I didn’t have 4x4 for 2 months due to a short in the wiring harness. Nothing mechanically was wrong or needed to be changed. It’s then up to finding a dealer that’s knows what they are doing to find the short.
@hankfox4170
@hankfox4170 2 жыл бұрын
FINALLY! An honest review about Bronco's. I'm tired of watching videos where the Bronco is sitting at the bottom of a big hill and the next shot is that it's on top. I never expected Bronco to be a Jeep, but I hate the dishonest video's that pretend it is. It doesn't make me dislike the Bronco; it just prepares me for the imperfections. Jeeps have imperfections also. I had death wobble in my '97 2 door and if you think it's bad in a 4 door, you ain't lived until you feel it in a 2 door. Luckily, I have a competent mechanic who nailed it immediately. Great video as always! Love Peanut! Can't wait for more PB&J's.
@warrenmiconi8141
@warrenmiconi8141 2 жыл бұрын
@litebrite. When you have three kids you don’t give them drinks in the back so you don’t have to clean up. Also it help to reduce stops for potty breaks.
@guitarman864
@guitarman864 2 жыл бұрын
Yo peanut butter 🥜
@Nostrudoomus
@Nostrudoomus 2 жыл бұрын
Many years ago when I was in my early 20s I drove a hillside wheat combine, a wheat harvester tractor that was two stories tall, the “hillside” part means that it had a lever in the cockpit that goes side to side and causes hydraulics to tilt from left to right so it could lean in and stay level going across steep hillsides, it had a switch to do this automatically or manually. My father was trying to kill me so he taught me just enough about how to drive it to be dangerous so I had to just figure it out, but I am good a that. The front wheels on this were as tall as a lifted Wrangler. I liked to practice my rock climbing on those tires. It was an old harvester that my dad drove many years before and had been in storage for years but it had sealed bearings everywhere accept the bearings with the heaviest loads, it must have been one of the first tractors with so many sealed bearings and for a harvester BAD IDEA! After a couple years I learned that I could tell if a bearing had gone out by the squeaking sound. If I heard a squeaky spot, I would remember that and in the winter when I repaired it for the next season I would take it apart at the squeaky locations and there was always a bad bearing there and doing it that way I always repaired it before it got really bad. Previously when I didn’t know what the squeaks meant the bearings would go out and in season one and the next season they would completely disintegrate, then it’s CLANKING because a shaft is rotating inside a plate that has no bearing, just a hole that is enlarging slightly every time it turns. Then, of course, to repair it you not only must put in a new bearing but also replace all the surrounding parts, a lot more work and expense. Maybe, if you put microphones in different places on your Jeeps suspension you could hear witch parts are functioning correctly by silence and broken by squeaking sounds. Come to think of it a computer could do that very effectively.
@Kenneth_R
@Kenneth_R 2 жыл бұрын
The Bronco is really designed to be a $30,000 vehicle with a bunch of stuff tacked on to make it $60k+. Even in the Badlands you still lack a lot of things expected in such an expensive vehicle.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly! If I’m spending $60K, I deserve a rear cup holder. Lol If it was $30K, we would still have the same complaints - BUT, they would be totally understandable for the price range.
@user-vb9kd3lg1s
@user-vb9kd3lg1s 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite lmaoo!! At least the cup holders 😅
@qo2rj
@qo2rj 2 жыл бұрын
Adorable puppy!!! I love how much you guys love dogs. Also, completely agree with your assessments of the Bronco vs. Jeep Wrangler.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
🐶❤️
@leskobrandon538
@leskobrandon538 2 жыл бұрын
Older broncos with straight axles have death wobble problems too...
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a solid axle thing. ☹️
@leskobrandon538
@leskobrandon538 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite I think 2 Factors have to be part of the design to have death wobble... Straight axle and coil springs.... Seems like if you eliminate one or the other, the chance of death wobble is greatly diminished .... With Chrysler stuff, it's crappy ball joints and thin track bar brackets.... With the Older Full Sized Broncos, it was the work out C bushings... Not so much anything else.... At my work we have ford F550 4x4's with service beds on them... They are always in the shop for death wobble.... They have coil front springs... The older F650s with front leaf springs have never been in the shop for death wobble.... I think there's too many connection points with coil springs, allowing tiny bits of movement along with the jouncing of coils that amplify the movement the further out the suspension parts are from the connection point..
@timcournay968
@timcournay968 2 жыл бұрын
Great content! So glad I bought my Bronco I love it!! I know you guys push your vehicles hard but for the majority of I think don’t! Thanks!
@htulrich
@htulrich 2 жыл бұрын
I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum as you but have a similar conclusion. I have a base Bronco, 7 speed manual' stock everthing, and open diffs. I paid less than 1/2 what your bronco cost without upgrades. I love it. I take it on a few trails but its just fun to drive it's not extreme or hardcore just a blast to drive. I tell people it will do 90% of what a comparable jeep will do off road but its 100% better to drive on road. And i drive it slow on the freeway but I get have averaged 24.5 mpg over the 5k miles I've put on it. I bet for 95% of the people who offroad the bronco would do everything asked of it. The 5% would break it and should buy the Jeep. (I'm also on my 3rd subie LOL)
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely correct! 🤣❤️
@shaynelhta
@shaynelhta 2 жыл бұрын
On x is invaluable for hikers, hunters, fisherman, offroaders... worth every penny!
@Patrioticmonkie
@Patrioticmonkie 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree why is there manual mode if you can’t use it like a manual shifter. It’s not really manual if it’s a button to shift up and down. 9:44
@thebigbail
@thebigbail 2 жыл бұрын
I got my first jeep, a ‘22 Gladiator, and my biggest surprise is the lack of rattles. For some reason I was expecting a far looser, less refined experience. Super happy with it.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Although the fit & finish on the new Jeeps aren’t perfect either, they’re definitely a lot better than the Bronco.
@diy2high143
@diy2high143 Жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite Handles on Badlands do flex too much but I think they paid a lot more attention to the details than Jeep IMO. I just bought a Sasquatched Badlands 2.3 manual and love it. Had a V-8 CJ7 on 35's. In all honesty if I wanted to do super hardcore rock crawling versus the Rubicon trail which is my current threshold I would build a rock crawler so I wouldn't feel bad about scratching it up. So for a do it all vehicle the Bronco wins. Overhanding-Bronco, Daily-Bronco, Trails-Bronco, Extreme Rock-Jeep. Informative and entertaining content.
@bigjay6743
@bigjay6743 2 жыл бұрын
I've said that from the very beginning that the 4 wheels drive should be manual There's just way too much computer crap on the Bronco. You know a servo is going to eventually jam up or stop working and you can't even crawl under the vehicle too manually put it in for a wheel drive.
@quintili1
@quintili1 2 жыл бұрын
I had that same issue on my 2018 ZR2 Colorado. A stupid switch that started to mess up and not let me go into 4WD. Not a problem on the JKU Rubicon I have now.
@garrymatthews4430
@garrymatthews4430 2 жыл бұрын
What a great overview, that puppy is just heart melting!!!!
@frankw7266
@frankw7266 2 жыл бұрын
So basically what I've been saying from the beginning... Ford nailed the overlanding market. If you're a crawler, stick with your Jeep.
@fluffyFaris
@fluffyFaris 2 жыл бұрын
I'm taking a screenshot of your comment so I can remember this well thought out statement
@NCmountainsYouTubeChannel
@NCmountainsYouTubeChannel 2 жыл бұрын
My wife’s Ford Fusion has the same thing it’s called sport mode lol.. I didn’t pull out I watched the whole video .. I’d like to see GM come up with something cool. I remember your stock jeep on the trail.. Good stuff “ I just fixed my 97 4x4 was flashing a code i’ve had this truck longer than you had your Jeep . It was a loose connector Single wire to the rear transfer case .. O yeah I really Lov and will always love my xj 4.0 I have a baby blue :) Icall it my 650$ jeep and a Hunter Green one 2000 Bone 🦴 stock .. I hope to enjoy them and then give them to my daughters one day “. 🫶. The memories have already began in them .. no push button on that baby It’s a jeep thing “
@michaelhalstead64
@michaelhalstead64 2 жыл бұрын
OH! MY! GOD! Exactly like you said, traded my '19 JLUR because I could not find my death wobble after 9 months and $5,000. I was 30 days from doing just as you said and replacing the ENTIRE front end, axle and all, but it had given me PTSD so bad and I had to trade. Such a horrible experience, not sure if I'll go back. I miss trails so much though.
@JA-wb5my
@JA-wb5my 2 жыл бұрын
Ford bronco= pavement Princess 👸 the bronco is just like the guy who wants to hit the gym but decided to work out at planet fitness 😂
@JwcubTHS
@JwcubTHS 2 жыл бұрын
My gosh! Peanut Butter is the most precious little dog! 😍 Great breakdown on the pros and cons of the Bronco and Wrangler! 😎
@rtazz17
@rtazz17 2 жыл бұрын
You have upgraded everything on your jeep,just sayin.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
That’s why we talked about when our jeep was stock. It was much more capable stock over the bronco. We specifically mention that
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
(We have plenty of videos of wheeling our Jeep stock, as well, as proof of this)
@Paughco
@Paughco 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm getting a '22 Bronco Outer Banks to replace my 2001 F-150. Nastiest thing I expect to drive through will be getting home up Big Rock Road (Duvall, WA) to my house on the day the snow hits. Will put it on the appropriate GOAT mode and drive on.
@joshbrown284
@joshbrown284 2 жыл бұрын
no bias in this video at all LOL
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, there isn’t. 💁‍♀️ At the end of the day, for the type of off roading that we do (which is generally more extreme rock crawling) we personally would choose a Jeep. But that doesn’t mean that the Bronco doesn’t excel in off road areas (like baja and high speeds) over the Jeep, and would be a better choice for people who would rather better on road mannerisms in their off road capable vehicle. 🙂
@bp4887
@bp4887 2 жыл бұрын
LOL....You called it an Oh Shit bar!!! The grab bar on the jeep dash when my daughter was younger and could not swear, she called them Ocean Bars to get the point out but not get in trouble!!!
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
🤣❤️
@barryraven4745
@barryraven4745 2 жыл бұрын
In other words, the Bronco is a mall crawler.
@VenturesofMJ
@VenturesofMJ 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta a 2023 JLUR with XR and other packages with a build date of 8/27 No cup holders and Rear air vents were a deal breaker for me
@Thatgreenbronco
@Thatgreenbronco 2 жыл бұрын
This video was so one sided, if you’ve watched broncbuster’s video’s you would see the bronco can do everything the wrangler can do offroad without “breaking down all the time” like you guys seem to think. Very easy to tell you guys are jeep fanboys and that’s perfectly fine but no reason to downplay the broncos offroad capabilities when its a very capable rig offroad.
@quintili1
@quintili1 2 жыл бұрын
It's not one sided, they explained in detail their issues with the Bronco.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
We’ve gone offroading with bronc Buster many times. We have videos with him. He broke down every single time we went offroading. Sometimes broke his and his wife’s bronco on the same trail so I’m not sure what you are talking about. We literally have video proof on KZbin. You are free to go back and watch. We aren’t jeep fan bois at all.
@eldridgesmart5516
@eldridgesmart5516 2 жыл бұрын
Did you know that there are videos of people doing many of the same trails in a Subaru as both the Jeep Ranger & the new Bronco? We must be careful to not put all of our trust in Manufacturers. Their priority isn't making the Best product, or even a good product. Their priority, unfortunately, is just to convince us that we want/need, what they manufacture. Also; that it's the best. They have, for decades now, paid others to tell society that their product is the best. Even though it's not. I honestly hope that you're happy with your Bronco & that it's everything that you hoped for & need.✌🏾
@Thatgreenbronco
@Thatgreenbronco 2 жыл бұрын
@@LiteBrite yes they have broken parts, mostly in the steering system but now that they have that figured out they run 40’s with no issues.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and in this video - we’re comparing stock to stock. You can modify any vehicle to do anything you want (if you have the money). For instance, we witnessed someone complete the Mint400 in a Lincoln Towncar limo. Lol However, when it comes to rock crawling, a solid axle will always outperform an IFS. That’s not biased, it’s just simple fact. King of the Hammers is also a great example of this - although you have $500K+ IFS rigs competing, an equally comparable solid axle build will still out-perform them in the rocks. Now in the desert, it’s the exact opposite.
@ericmaxwell424
@ericmaxwell424 2 жыл бұрын
Death wobble does happen in IFS vehicles not as often as a solid axle but still happens. With the IFS it has extra points of failure to check that can cause it but doesn't have a bandaid fix like a solid axle.
@62chad76
@62chad76 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely not as good as your 250k jeeps. A bit biased... You've been bashing the bronco since you drove it through a tornado with your top not secured correctly.
@LiteBrite
@LiteBrite 2 жыл бұрын
Top was always secured correctly. We showed that In a later video. We don’t do biased. We just tell the truth. People tend to get mad at the truth.
@itchyddatsun
@itchyddatsun 2 жыл бұрын
They were basing their comparision mostly on thier stock JL. Please take some time and go watch thier old videos of the stock "Stepchild" doing things the bronco "can" do. But also understanding with the bronco you have a big worry factor that the bronco "may" break. And its not a biased review if its true. 1. The stock IFS And stearing components on the bronco are weaker in comparison to the stock solid axel of the wrangler. (even though the Jeep has the week axle disco point) 2. The stock ride of the Wrangler is shit compaired to the stock ride of the Bronco. 3. Ford IS having problems with the bronco tops. 4. Jeep has had problems for years with reliability, and yet people ignore and buy them anyway. 5. Bronco has been having problems with certain engines failing with low mileage 6. The JL/JT aluminum is having corrosion ploblems. The list goes on and on. There are always going to be problems with a FIRST gen vehical, and being a modern vehical will probably contiue to have problems just like most new cars including Jeep. Your feelings should never be involved with a major purchase When it comes to these two vehicals. They are very expensive and can cost more than "Alot" of peoples annual income. But people want to go have fun, and make a decision to buy these vehicals for that purpose alone. Becasue we all know we don't NEED either of these to get back and forth to work,store,exc
@broncobros2022
@broncobros2022 2 жыл бұрын
Only thing I got to disagree on is the button shifter. I prefer the simple buttons on the side of the shifter. Every time I get in a Chrysler product with those silly fake sport shifter they feel ridiculous to me. That’s my opinion
@2bharvestingmark124
@2bharvestingmark124 2 жыл бұрын
Wheel sensor was ripped off on my Bronco, Ford couldn't get sensor, have been off roading it for couple months now with no issues. Currently 30k miles on it...only big complaint is the crappy soft top. Off the dealer lot seems bronco out performs on and offroad better than any I have had or went with friends with....with minimal investment it seems the jeep is hands down better offroad....if your 95% on road like most are, bronco....want to trailer to trail, 100% jeep. My outer banks bronco came with cup holders, while my badlands did not. No rear ac is super crappy. Thank you guys for all you do and share
@natebillings2682
@natebillings2682 2 жыл бұрын
That Subaru comparison made me super happy and loads of Ford folks very angry. HA! Nailed it!
@bcbackroads9589
@bcbackroads9589 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the honesty review on the veichles. If a feature sucks it sucks
@Noisy_Cricket
@Noisy_Cricket 2 жыл бұрын
It basically seems like the consensus here is that the Bronco is geared toward Baja/rally off-road racing while the Jeep is geared toward off road obstacle traversal, even though both are competent in either.
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