Ford F150 Lightning *DIESEL Mechanic Reviews* | Practical or NOT?

[@zebgraves4562]

Considering I’ve seen some fleet versions of these hit 30,000 miles in a year is still on par with most work trucks. They’re parked at the shop and charged over night at $.15/kw… and then driven 200 miles in the field checking meters and such. Just most people don’t understand that 90% of people don’t drive that 200 miles in a day. And you wake up every morning with a full tank 🤷‍♂️

[@JW77]

People just don't get it. I'm so tired trying to explain this.

[@GettysGarage]

Agreed, I guess for me as a "personal" truck it doesn't make sense. BUT as you pointed out in the work truck application having the ability to charge every night it is not a bad solution!

[@rodjbosch]

Truck was in for service and they gave me a Lightning as a loaner. 99% battery.....297km range. Driving experience is nice,power is seemless and plentiful. I enjoyed the day with it. But even just running around for the day I dropped range to 140km....cant remember battery %. The extended range battery would be a must.

[@agentcarder]

Got a 2023 lightning xlt standard range. Tow a small utility trailer with my atv on it. Get about 140-150 miles on single charge. Almost all the areas I go riding in my state are 200 miles from house. Quick 10-15 minute charge on way back gets me home and I don’t see it as a big deal. Save me about $15-20 per trip vs gas. Regular driving around town saves me a lot more about $10-15 full charge. Honestly for 1/2 ton buyers I think the lightning makes a lot of since. If your towing cross country or pass 7000 pounds you should really be getting an HD.

[@DoBetter-l6r]

I own a renovation company. Have 3/ 5.0L plus the lightning now. I was nervous about switching to the lightning. For the work I do, mostly working around town max 250km a day. The lightning has been an amazing work truck. I was on the boat that it would not be a great work truck and would run into range issues but it has not been the case. I have also come to notice that you can not rely on the range it tells you. Need to go off battery percentage. 10 usually get me 40min driving.

[@GettysGarage]

Ya I also noticed the range is sort of guess work from the truck. But I would agree, if you are just using the truck in town going from site to site and charging at night it could make great sense. save a ton of money on fuel no doubt.

[@ojbarberena7090]

Glad the manufacturers are letting you test their rigs

[@GettysGarage]

I do appreciate them giving me the truck, it is cool to drive and see how these electric trucks work. Stupid quick

[@waterloo123100]

They kinda have to they made to many of them and nobody is buying them

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

Honest and fair reviews as always. That's why I love this channel above the others. Not just blanket EV hate but actual facts.

[@pjbuckmaster]

Cannot hate on it if they don’t let u work it. Otherwise it would be trash. That’s why they said don’t tow with it. What are u a dunce.

[@TheKingOfInappropriateComments]

@@pjbuckmaster Good point but you know at some point that day will come and it will be fair. Down here in the states, you can borrow one from Carmax for 24 hours. For free. Don't even have to rent it. If they have one of course.

[@bjornsandbakk]

Thank You from Norway. Bought mine 3 months ago (Lariat) for my landscaping business. Towing gravel and equipment around on a daily basis. Workplaces without electricity or lights. So far it does a better job than anything I have ever driven. Not suitable for long distance hauling, but superior for my kind of business.

[@davidjernigan8161]

The first gen lightning with the GT40 equipped 351 was the best version

[@GettysGarage]

They look pretty sweet

[@Shakerhood69]

By far!

[@Michael_Livingstone]

Hey Cutie, even as a Ford guy, I’m not willing to make the jump mainly because it limits my road tripping ability and it does get to -40c where I live. And if I did, I would only lease it.

[@sddyck]

Cybertruck is about the same as the lightning for sales. The 60k includes model x and s but there is a reported 20k+ recall on Cybertrucks

[@stephanematis]

Dear Ford, come on, let the man tow, that is among the most important information we can learn here.

[@kaydnburns5935]

They wont. JerryRigEverything made a video towing. It reduces range by 80%

[@jmabs5096]

No one doing regular towing is going to buy an eletric truck. Sure it's fine down to the river and back but if you tow say a camper it's not practical at all

[@brita654]

1st time seen the placement of charge port on Chevy truck mentioned as a con - good point!! I have had the Lightning XLT ER for 6 mo.s and 15k mi. No problems thus far. The fuel savings are a BIG deal. So are various incentives!!!Through late spring summer and up til now the range has been good. The cold/heater take a hit. Up to around 30% . Pure highway driving takes another hit. Up to 10-15 % or more for serious speeding. Most of my trips are around 80 miles each way, 75 or 80 mph so 180 miles is no prob in 1 day. And as 1 guy pointed out you can charge 15 minutes or so and do the rest at home if needed. So this truck saves me big money. The performance and ride are awesome. As a commuter type work vehicle this truck is very very very good. If you tow often and/or drive long highway distances frequently then consider all options carefully and do your homework. Quick things 1) on board power is a big deal. 2) the frunk is a big deal 3) one pedal driving is an upgrade over ice vehicles 4) can run climate/pro power for hrs and hrs (days even)without engine exhaust/noise 5) no transmission gears up or down shifting annoyance....ever... just consistency and same with engine noise 6) still havent tried flooring it .....halfway is incredible enough.

[@stevesmith2770]

Going to be a real range drop with those cold Canadian winters.

[@dpl2617]

FORD asked NOT to TOW speaks volumes. Lack of range absolutely kills it.

[@TheJoncic]

These arent for everyone but are for some. Id rather have gas for now but I see the appeal if you don't tow or make super long trips regularly.

[@nuts5388]

So like the main point of a pickup truck

[@danielhonas334]

We have had ours since March and have put 25k miles on it. It's been great. The only problem it has is towing long distance. Everything else can't be beat.

[@davestamand1402]

@@nuts5388or maybe get this, different trucks for different applications?

[@Jay-me7gw]

New Lightinings in my area seem to be going for 10-15k off MSRP so I dont know that 30% depreciation is realistic. An 80k Lariat is being advertised at 65k. Used 2023/2024's with 20k miles seem to be in the 55-60k range. So the depreciation seems to be ~15% on average.

[@ClevelandBeemer]

Keep in mind that that Tesla sales figure combines the Model X, S, and CT in that sales figure. In reality they’ve sold significantly less Cyber Trucks than most think.

[@alextran8188]

As a Ford tech, i think the lightnings are only good if you dont really tow/haul anything, but want a truck for the rare times you do. With that being said, if i were to buy one, I'd definitely wait 2-3 yrs for them to depreciate even more like the MachEs. As for repairs, I have not had to replace any motors. But i have had to replace a one or two battery modules, and a whole bunch high voltage charging modules and high voltage harnesses, which are very pricey. And unlike a ICE engine/vehicle, ford has does not recommend repairing High Voltage Harnesses (which im sure theyll find a way in the future.)

[@markb.1259]

Alex... great video, but you failed to tell us the 2nd most important thing about that Lightning. #1 was the range you covered.. #2 how long does it take to recharge the battery when out on that 900 mile road trip to your family's for Thanksgiving? How many hours does it take to recharge the depleted battery to the 90% level?

[@grahamrothphotography]

The company that does the maintenance on Edmonton’s ring road has a few lightning trucks, curious how they’d work in -30C temps this winter. These electric trucks would only work well on a construction or concrete crew, keeping it in the city and spending most of its time running the power tools.

[@TIREDOFEVIL]

My suggestion for these manufactures would be a hybrid version that would be like a diesel locomotive, electric motors powered by a diesel engine coupled to a generator, makes more sense to me.

[@DIYtryer]

Dodge is doing That with a gas generator called the ram charger

[@Dazza-u4c]

@@DIYtryerDodge has ZERO to do with it champ. The last Dodge truck left the production line 2010. RAM’s have been built in Chrysler Production Plants since they split into completely seperate brands way back then. So RAM has designed the Ramcharger, not Dodge.

[@benjaminwayneb]

@@Dazza-u4c Still the same company, same parts, same engineers.

[@Jay-me7gw]

I pulled my 40000 mile Chevy Bolt brakes apart yesterday because I needed to swap out a washer between the CV and hub and retorque the CV nuts. The brake pads looked like they still have 95% life left on them.

[@The-Jokes-on-You]

It's got a "frunk" what more do you need to know?

[@GettysGarage]

great for the groceries!

[@agerardomp]

Hi Alex. Huge surprise to me. I can see your video translated into spanish.😊 Thanks. I think the EV is an option to city and not work and never to hard work or tow. It's not its time yet. Definitive the option to work, recreational service and heavy duty is at gas and diesel engines. Depreciation and reach in miles on route give terror! 😮 Great job and excellent video as always. Really I appreciate it's. BIG HUGE and take care so much; i can see the wheather is very cold!! Thank you! 🤠

[@James-lo5ne]

I personally think the dumbest thing they have done with EVs is the lack of charge ports. One under the front and back license plate would be killer. Especially because I've had weird places I had to park the rental sideways to charge it.

[@LaurieNCooper]

Great info 👍👍

[@NBSteve]

More an more pullthru sites will be coming. Also Tesla chargers work with the rear port.

[@abefroman4953]

Biggest failure with the Lightening is marketing. They'd sell them by the bushel if they targeted the municipal/service market with a basic XL

[@ALMX5DP]

They do, Ford Pro sells to businesses and municipalities alike.

[@alpe6228]

The problem is someone who wants a f150 doesnt want an EV,they want a truck.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@alpe6228 how is that a problem if the regular F-150 is sold alongside this?

[@dcl97]

We brought 2 of them into the fleet this year and they are saving us a fortune. About $4k a piece in fuel and maintenance vs the gas trucks they replaced. I agree they aren't marketing the cost savings to businesses as well as they could.

[@alpham777]

@@alpe6228 I wanted one but I wanted a toy truck. 80% of the truck market never scratches their bed.

[@kaydnburns5935]

They wont let you tow because towing reduces the range by 80%. It basically becomes useless. JerryRIgEverything made a video towing 10,000 lbs and it got about 80-100 miles of range

[@GettysGarage]

I figured based upon my range empty it would something like that when towing.

[@simontallboy209]

Like every other vehicle it's all about how you're going to use it. If I didn't tow a travel trailer I'd definitely look at one. When I get rid of the trailer I may get one.

[@GettysGarage]

100% correct, I guess for me personally that low range just isn't practical for me. but if you don't need a truck to leave town with then this could be a very real option!

[@kuhndog-1196]

Practical is a funny word to use. Practical as as all around truck, I say no. Practical as a around town beater? Yep. This 60k truck (one the cheap end) is as good as a 1988 s10 running on 3 cylinders.

[@GettysGarage]

Fair enough, I guess for me personally not being able to take the truck on longer trips just doesn’t make sense.

[@danielhonas334]

​@TheGettyAdventures , we road trip our lighting a couple times a month on 6 to 7 hour trips. It's honestly not much worse than the Crown Vic we came from, same distance on a tank, and by the time you take a piss and get something to eat it is charged and ready to go.

[@ИгорьМачулин-в5д]

Hi. I'm going to buy a truck for work. Sometimes I need to pull a trailer weighing 4 tons. I can't decide which truck. I've looked at a lot of yours, apparently - and I realized that I shouldn't get involved with a diesel. What should I choose? Chevrolet? Or Dodge... I don't know. I think I'll go with a gasoline engine. Although there are various problems there too... The task is to tow a trailer of about 3 tons every day. What would you advise? 😢

[@GettysGarage]

Look at a 2500 gasser if you are towing daily, a Diesel will give you the best performance but I would say something like a F250 7.3L godzilla with 4.30 gears will be pretty darn powerful and you won't need to be worried about emissions.

[@RobertCrickmore]

A truck like this is not for someone who has this as their only vehicle. Right now EV owners own their homes and do 90% of their charging at home. 10-90% home charging costs about ten bucks overnight. And of course, they have more than one car. Check out the channel The Electric Viking. He's all over the EV scene worldwide. Today's video is about Shell selling over 1,000 of it's gas stations in Spain to Tesla to be converted to Superchargers. That will start happening here and those are laid out like a standard drive through gas station so no problem with a trailer. Solid state batteries are already in production now along with other different batteries that double the range with half the weight and five minute charge times. This is happening now and it's the reason why Ford and GM are backing off a bit with their EV's because they know within just a few years the whole EV landscape will change. As a former car guy, think about buying a new diesel truck right now for 80K and in a few years you can buy an equivalent EV truck with 1,000 miles range and every truck stop along every highway has drive through chargers. What could that do to the diesel truck resale value? At that point fuel prices could be much higher because Econ 101 says decreased production due to lower demand equals higher prices. The other problem with EV adoption is infrastructure. Lots of work needs to be done to upgrade the grid but the big issue there is not EV charging it's AI Data Centers. Those things are unbelievable energy hogs but are also very important. Upgrades to accommodate data centers will also allow for EV charging virtually anywhere. As others have said, we're just a bit premature right now with full EV adoption but it's coming and sooner than you think.

[@Yob126]

I remember dial up internet like it was yesterday.

[@danielhonas334]

I own a Lightning. I rent and charge at home. Charging 10-80% costs about $6. I drive 100 miles per day and it costs me $3.50 to charge every day. Much better than the $20 per day with gas. I also have 3 other gas vehicles, but never drive them because they are more expensive and a bigger hassel to drive. The resale values are not as they seem, nobody is paying MSRP, and there are also tax incentives. I got my $80k Lariat for $56k new, so I'm sure my savings make that first year stat look bad. As far as infrastructure, most EVs are charged at night when there is excess supply of power, so there is typically not excess load on the grid. We now have two EVs, and I know a handful of people personally that will be making their next vehicle an EV do to low cost of ownership.

[@adamhymas4620]

I'm waiting for the wet drive belt version.

[@GettysGarage]

coming soon.. 😉

[@Jay-me7gw]

They knew that 8000 lb cargo trailer you use in your tests would absolutely devastate the range on this thing.

[@bigmountain7561]

Honestly it’s well thought of it’s just 10 yards short. These trucks should be getting at least 500 miles no matter what time of year. We’re 124 years behind the curve and we are trying to get it back within a decade. They need to develop an energy storage system that is not toxic to the environment. Honestly that will probably happen in the next millennium. My advice is use it like a Fleetwood Brougham d’Elegance and just drive it around town and rent a ICE for long range travel. Great Videos Thank You 🙏

[@Slane583]

If I had the funds for something like this I'd keep my current truck for long distance use and this would be for short drives. Electric is always best used in spurts like a cordless drill. Small trip here, small trip there, stuck in stop-n-go traffic and back home. Gas truck for interstate travel to the next state over.

[@bigmountain7561]

Absolutely Correct, my Lariat for long distance and the Lightning for around town.

[@Slane583]

@@bigmountain7561 Too bad new vehicles are so expensive now. This is exactly what I'd do with an EV.

[@aesho46]

They asked him not to tow??? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Zzus321]

What? A pickup truck that can't tow🤣😂

[@redfalcon4469]

I wonder why???? Battery drainage

[@Anonihmus2567]

Its cool its just not for towing in all honesty the ranger should have been the ev/erev/hybrid platform because until the charging speed and power capacity meets or exceeds gas/diesel it just can't hit full parity...yet

[@ar15gator]

Good share! Stickin with a combustion engine💯

[@ItIsColdHere]

Always enjoy your discussions, especially on Ford! I am happy with my F150 and would not buy a Lighting, but it was interesting to learn more about it. And holy kamoly … $36k for a new battery. 😱

[@GettysGarage]

It aint cheap but it does seem like the batteries thus far have been performing very well so time will tell how they hold up in the next 4-6 years.

[@charlesb4267]

Over the last while in looking at trucks in stock at the largest Ford dealer here in north western Alberta, the same F150 lightning is sitting on their lot for sale ... I mean its the ONLY lightning on their lot and its a 2023 model which by the km of 2700 is a demo which makes sense. So while the claim is the sales are up compared to last year, a salesman would have died from starvation long ago if they were only relying solely on EV sales. Right at first there were some sales, I know someone who bought one early on and only got it as a play toy as money is no object in his situation. I expect it would be quite the interesting test to have one sitting in the cold of -40 after being charged so the battery gets cold soaked to be fair as so many vehicles sit outside. Then drive it until it dies, see how far it can go and followed by a tow truck to haul it back.

[@darpompie4354]

I live in Northern Alberta and have a lightning. As I am sure you know, Alberta is Oil country and there is enormous push back on EV's. The mentality is, if we don't buy them, EV's will go away... lol... okay sure. So yes, lightning sales have been slow in Alberta which means they are selling even faster in other areas or are you implying Ford's posted sales are a lie. The lightning performs better than my Ice truck in -40c. Starts up instantly and the cabin gets heated up in no time. Best winter vehicle I've ever had. The weight of the battery that is evenly distributed to both front and back give it excellent handling on snow and ice. Yes in EXTREME cold (which happens a few weeks of the year) the range gets cut in half (so about 250km) but I never travel past 100km in a day so it works great for me. Just plug it in at the end of the day in my warm garage and Its full in the morning and it only cost me a few bucks. No more standing at a gas station in -40C filling up my tank once a week. I get that a lot of people travel long distances every day and you would be right, it's not for you then. But for those of us that don't, it's an amazing truck.

[@charlesb4267]

@@darpompie4354 Oh yes I pretty much assume a certain percentage of people up in this part of Alberta have a negative outlook towards the EV simply because it may be perceived as a threat to their livelihood perhaps. But also in logical terms Alberta is already struggling with a lack of electricity capacity during peak times and that typically is when its cold. Adding many high draw EV's to an already taxed electrical grid could literally be life threatening as after all a house furnace can't run if there is no electricity due to a major outage or literally shut down of power. Put another way our infrastructure just isn't set up for a volume of people switching from an ICE vehicle over to an EV and there is no easy cheap or fast way to change our electrical grid across the province, city systems were never designed for that much draw. They can't keep up with dated sewer/water systems failing, never mind the electrical grid. As to the Lightning sales, its not that I am claiming they are misleading their sales figures, I just hear from different sources that the actual number of sales are so small that it does not take very many sales in a year to be a bump in sales year over year and that many of them are being stored on Fords lots having never been shipped to dealers because some dealers are having a hard time selling them. As to your own experience and use of the Lightning, your scenario is working because you are not depending on going a long distance in a short period of time and your storing it in a heated garage. I expect if you were to have it charged and then it sit outside for at least 48 hours if not longer to give it a good cold soak, that would be interesting to see how it responded with range as I am fairly sure your heated garage is enhancing your EV experience. As to ICE vehicles, you and me both know they are certainly not perfect at all, some aspects that an EV does not have to worry about, the maintenance required for the driveline as well as the costs inured, and how they have choked up the diesel engine with failure prone and very expensive parts for the emissions system. However when it comes to being mobile with ones own means for remote and long distance prompt travel, be that packing extra fuel etc and not having to rely on a charging station grid just isn't an option. I'll throw out a couple of examples of a typical driving scenario. I have to travel around 200 km just to go to town to do business and back home and spend all day in town from place to place and during the winter that means heat in the cab on and off for hours through the day. If I need to tow a trailer to town to haul items that do not fit in the back of the pickup, again there is that extra fuel required to now pull a trailer with weight and wind resistance. So lets say one decided to head down to Two Lakes and the Kakwa Falls trail ( if your familiar with that area ), be it summer or winter. If any sort of trailer is towed down there it is going to take a full tank just to make the trip out and back to GP and better pack extra fuel. These are are fairly basic typical examples of drives that are not even all that far, nothing compared to how far and remote one can go in this part of the province. If I had an EV pickup, I wouldn't be able to do any of them during the winter and so only in the summer driving empty to GP could I make use of one. So for my situation I can't begin to justify such a purchase for the limited amount of use I would be able to get out of it. The fact that in your situation for your use it does easily make sense and is saving you money in fuel and repair costs, it totally makes sense why you decided to give the EV a shot. I know, its a long post now that I look back at it but takes more than five words to lay out the picture.

[@darpompie4354]

@@charlesb4267 I completely understand your view point and the way you use your truck, there is no way I would recommend an EV. My point is that some people solely view things from how they use it and then make broad statements. (Ie. an EV doesn't work for me so they are complete garbage). I'm Just saying that there are uses they excel at. When it comes to unstable power grids, EV's will be part of the solution. The problem with all the renewable energy (Solar and Wind) coming aboard is that they are unstable in themselves. Solar only makes power during the day and wind only generates major power when it's windy. Systems are in the works where they will use people's EV's to store the extra energy produced in the day and then take it back (they will pay you) when the grid needs extra juice. On a large scale, this will stabilize the grid. For myself, I already threw on a bunch of solar panels so I am basically self sufficient for my home and transportation. During the day, My solar panels send energy to my truck and or back to the grid where I get money back. At night, I pay enmax to get back the power I gave them and pay there stupid administration fees for the privilege. In the event of a power failure, I have 131KW battery that will power my furnace and fridges for weeks. It hasn't turned to -40C since I've owned the truck but I have left it out for an entire day (approx 10hrs) in -25C and it instantly started. Again... Not saying anyone should get one. I run a business and stay in the city so it works for me. I am sure there are a lot of people in similar circumstances where this truck will work fantastic and save them a ton of money on top of the other perks it provides. For others that go long distances all the time... stay away... Just letting people with strong opinions know from someone that owns and owned Gas F150's to F450 diesels, the lightning is not junk. It's extremely capable and one of the best trucks you can buy if it fits your use case.

[@charlesb4267]

@@darpompie4354 I agree with what your saying as per the type of expected use one has for a vehicle and aside from the lack of electricity capacity issues at peak times, an EV and city driving or within shorter distances from a central location is where at this point with battery technology they have a good fit. Interesting as to what you are able to do with solar panels as you must have something set up that sheds the snow and also angles to follow the suns path ?. What I typically have heard is that up this far north during the winter that solar was very limited and goes without saying that setups that get covered in snow are useless. I have relates who had a house in Cali and they rigged it up with a lot of solar to the point that they were negative in their power bill at the end of the year and thats with lots of air conditioning use, the sun remains a lot higher in the sky and they never get snow so it really worked well down there. However the power company did not pay them for the power they put into the grid at the end of a years time, but it was the back and forth day vs night power sent out or power consumed that was all calculated by their meter. I can only guess that there are aspects of your panels that are quite different from panels that would have been made lets say 20+ years ago in efficiency etc.

[@darpompie4354]

​@@charlesb4267 Solar panels do keep getting better (more efficient) every year. It makes it hard to evaluate because if you heard a storey of an experience 5 years ago, it may not hold true today. My solar panels are not "special" in any way, other than they provide more wattage per panel than older ones. Alberta is actually a great place for solar, but you are completely right, in winter, when we get short days, there is not a lot of time for it to produce much. Snow does severely affect them too but light does still get through to them. Eventually because of the angle and heat they produce, the snow slides off. So yes, there are a lot of times in winter, when you are getting low input but to counter that, in summer, our days in Alberta are very long and very sunny. When I say I am self sufficient, I don't mean, I'm off grid. We have such a teeter totter of sun shift from summer to winter that you just can't do that here. I have a bidirectional meter so when I need power, I buy, when I make extra power, I sell. the rate per kw is both the same for in or out. So in winter, I definitely buy more than I produce, but in summer, my meter is going nuts in the opposite direction. What I mean by self sufficient is that if you average out the ins and the outs during a 12 month span, it pretty well evens out. On the same lines. Another thing I want to point out about EV's and the grid is that, at least on my lightning, I have the ability to make schedules for when it charges. So even if I plug it in at home, it doesn't start charging unless it's during that schedule. I have it set up so it only charges in the day when I am producing with solar. Others can set it to only charge at night during low peak hours. Some places where grid power is even worse than ours, they have different rates for peak and non peak hours. So the idea to stabilize the grid is to have EV's charge at the low rate times and then sell back during expensive peak hours, thus incentivizing people to jump on.

[@darpompie4354]

Great review. I own a 23 Lightning and absolutely love it. A lot of what you said is valid and a lot of it is incorrect or skewed. 1) depreciation. You are basing your values off of MSRP. Yes a lot of manufactures stick to MSRP especially during the COVID years and chip shortages but Ford normally discounts them heavily. Although my Platinum has almost a 117K Canadian MSRP, I bought mine brand new for $82k Canadian. If you bought any vehicle, ICE or EV during peak pricing covid years, you are going to see high depreciation. You happened to pick the years when pricing was crazy for all vehicles 2) EV's are not like ICE vehicles where you drive until your tank hits empty and you fill up again. You fill up at home every night and start full again in the morning. Yes Ford recommends 90% if you are not expecting to use the extra range the next day, If you need 100% because you are going on a long trip, then charge to 100%. You get to decide. If you do a lot of long distance driving, an EV truck is not for you but I thing there is a huge market for people like me that don't even crack 100km in a day. 3) Charging from public infrastructure should be reserved for long distance trips only. The savings are extreme when you charge at home. I pay $.06/kw. Multiply that by 131kw battery and it's under $8 to get 500km. 4). Changing the Battery. If you take care of your battery, it will last 500 000km or longer. It's equally expensive to replace an engine or transmission which usually die a lot quicker than that. Do some have defects and die early....Sure, that's what the 8 year warranty is for. Do some engines have defects and die early.... They sure do but how long are those warranties. You basically said it at the front of your video. A lot less that can go wrong on these.

[@GettysGarage]

Fair enough, In guess for me personally (and I maybe should of clarified this in the video) having a truck not able to go longer distances is just not practical for what I'd be looking for if that makes sense. But you make valid points, ultimately like most trucks it simply comes down to what your intended use is and I guess for me a gas truck is more practical at this point in time.

[@darpompie4354]

@@GettysGarage Exactly. Thanks for having an open mind. It's no different then if you haul plywood every day and review a car. Obviously a car would suck, but does that mean cars suck? EV Trucks are not for everyone but if it fits your use case, they are undeniably a way better choice. I own a business and like I said, stay in town most of the time. I store and charge my tools in a secure frunk, never waste time at gas stations because I always charge at home for 1/10 the cost, It tows and hauls better than any ICE half ton out there (just not for long distances), The acceleration and low centre of gravity make it a blast to drive, Due to the 50/50 weight distribution, its the best truck I've ever owned in the snow, I power entire job sites silently with the plugs in in the back and I can save my house from freezing over in the event of a catastrophic power failure. On the negative side, I do like to travel once a year on a holiday so I do have to make a few extra pee breaks. So for me, it came down to, do all the pro's I get for 51 weeks of the year worth a few inconvenient stops one week of the year. The answer was hell yeah. For others it may not be. There is no wrong answer. My main point is to everyone who hates EV trucks, just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it's not the best choice for someone else.

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

I call BS on your assertion that a battery is the same cost as an engine or trans. Multiple manufacturers of MUCH smallers cars charge as high as 60k for a battery. Have you priced one for your truck? $50k plus installation. And I am willing to bet insurance is also higher vs a similar truck with a gas engine.

[@darpompie4354]

​@@Mountain-Man-3000 50k may be right for an all out battery swap. I haven't priced an engine replacement but I assume it wouldn't be cheap either. My point of relating a failed battery to a failed engine is that it's not the norm to replace a battery or an engine. A low percentage of both of them do fail though. Nobody goes into buying an ICE truck thinking....well I'm going to have to replace the engine in 6 years when the warranty is up so I better add that to the cost. As I said, there are many reports of batteries lasting 500 000km and longer. The warranty is 8 Years 160 000km. That doesn't mean you need to replace the battery just like you don't need to replace your your engine after its warranty is up. For insurance, I pay a little over $1800 CAN/year for my 23 Platinum Lightning. I have other ICE trucks that cost slightly less but they are much older. I have no idea how that compares to a 2023 ICE F150 Platinum. If anyone in Canada has one and is willing to share, it would be nice to compare.

[@crt5866]

the fact that they asked you not to tow with it shows you that they know it sucks at towing.

[@GettysGarage]

Ya it was a bit odd but it's their truck!

[@darpompie4354]

I have no idea why Ford told him not to tow with it because there are countless of reviews for 3 years now where everyone and their dog tows with it. Instead of speculating, let me tell you how it tows. With its 775lbft of torque and evenly distributed heavy weight, it tows better than any ICE half ton you can get and rivals heavy duty diesels. The only caveat is that it eats up half the range if you are towing boxy heavy weight. If you own a business such as myself that tows heavy loads but stays in town, the towing is unmatched by any ICE half ton. If you tow long distances every once in a while and can live with some charge breaks, it may or may not be worth the other advantages you get. If you tow long distances all the time, then don't get any EV truck. There you have it... Conspiracy theories averted.

[@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj]

You say 210 miles worth of charge is limiting, but you can charge it above 90% when charging at home. Slow charge it at home and put a generator in the trunk and drive around with it (and tow some) this winter and see how much fuel you end up using from the generator.

[@GettysGarage]

lol driving with a Gen set in the front would be an awesome sight.

[@DavidBrubaker-pi4gj]

@TheGettyAdventures I just feel like someone who did that would probably end up burning less than 5 gallons of fuel over the course of a summer, and probably 10-20 gallons over the course of a winter

[@mike90862]

Anyway you can do a review of the new 2025 Toyota 4Runner when it comes out?

[@DJ2226]

They, much like all first model modern EVs, were a bit premature for the market with kinks to work out. Where these would shine is if they had solid state batteries IMO. I'd imagine that there'd be a drastic drop in weight if it had that type of battery with the same capacity. That would definitely help with the range, and from what I understand they can change at a faster rate which helps with convince, granted the surge of power they would draw could be handled by the infrastructure. Given the direction we are headed politically and in general as far as automotives go, I don't think we'll see them develop much further any time soon unfortunately, which is kinda sad since I do think these and EVs have a legit place in the automotive market, albeit nowhere near the "carbon buster" some folks have touted them as.

[@hitempguy]

Sales are up on lightnings because they have MASSIVE discounts

[@stephenwilson2504]

You should review the power boost next

[@GettysGarage]

Its on the list!

[@nateoconnell5404]

lol ford told him to NOT TOW. Wake up people, this is a novelty vehicle, not a work truck.

[@GettysGarage]

They were kind enough to lend me the truck, but was a little disappointed when they said that.

[@nateoconnell5404]

@ they are absolutely kind to let you review the truck, and your reviews are always stellar! Ford just need to be honest about range and actual abilities of these lightenings. Keep on keeping on, Brother!

[@Anonihmus2567]

I would say the cyber truck is more of a novelty with the absurd price and inability to do most truck things

[@adrianevans9170]

I tow 150 miles with my 9k pound travel trailer

[@danielhonas334]

I've got a 23 lightning. If you tow less than 100 miles, and I think that would cover most people, it's a beast at towing. If you are going to be towing long distance, or a ton these are not for you. The Silverado EV would be a better bet. If you are like me, and haul air 98% of the time, and only need to haul or tow something every so often these can't be beat on fuel economy charging at home.

[@mattie3595]

Real life: probably a very good 2nd vehicle. Back & forth to work, errands. Also, that you are wealthy enough to assume a likely trade in value of $0 down the road. If that is the case - good to go….

[@mordeth1964]

There's a certain irony in a diesel mechanic reviewing an EV..

[@greggc8088]

if there's ever an EV that isn't priced stupid and has a decent resale value, I might buy one for a daily and keep an IC for the weekend. Tesla is almost there as they have a decent resale but still not close enough.

[@peiguy1982]

At 40k km my battery state of health is 99.5 %. So it's still all there. Also the battery is a modular design, meant for fleet use. So if you end up with bad cells at high mileage you can replace 1 out of the 9 modules only. So far the 1500 dollars electricity the truck has consumed, with 36k km this year, would have been 8500 dollars with my Ram 1500 Hemi. So far so good! Will reassess at 160k km. One truck online had 97% state of health at 160k km. Just about the mileage the lifters flatten out on the 5.7. You pay to drive in one way shape or form or another.

[@Yob126]

How dare you speak logic

[@matthewholzmueller6292]

I have one because I need space and not huge towing numbers. I do a ton of local driving and charge at work.

[@LindsayPeters987]

Cool girl at the halfway mark

[@GettysGarage]

She keeps me in check

[@joeblow5037]

@@GettysGarage She said "No!", but she really says "Yes!" I had a GF that despised mororcycles....until I took her for a ride (at that time) on my Shadow Sabre 1100. She was giggling the whole way 🙂

[@duramaxadventures5832]

The issue with this truck is that it's priced the same as the Silverado EV. If it was still 39,999 which Ford priced because of the limitations of this truck in the marketplace... Slam dunk.

[@hexhead5732]

When they can get 1000 mile range out of a EV I'll buy it

[@stevenberg1903]

You should have mentioned insurance cost😅

[@dcl97]

I have a construction company with a mix of gas and EV trucks. The insurance is virtually the same. The most expensive is my personal Platinum with the 3.5, then the Lightnings, but that's just because they cost more than the low trim gas trucks.

[@GettysGarage]

Ughh honestly didn’t even think to look! But would have been a cool bit of info. I image expensive due to fire risk ?

[@chrismassey5865]

When I was shopping for one, the insurance rates for the Flash where exactly the same as my loaded out 2024 GMC Sierra 1500.

[@csheadtrip]

My insurance is $116 a month for my lightning flash (GEICO). Dunno how it compares to other trucks.

[@yourenzyme]

I wish our (US) electricity costs were as cheap as they are in canada but from what my Canadian friend and I have seen, you guys are paying about 1/4 what we are in the states.

[@ALMX5DP]

The US likely varies a lot. Here in the PNW I am paying .0879 per kwh (there is a minimum monthly service cost of $19).

[@cpftank09]

Time to add a Powerboost F150 to your testing!

[@GettysGarage]

It’s on the to do list :)

[@peiguy1982]

That flash would weigh about 6890 lbs. My 23 XLT SR is 6290. Why no towing from Ford?

[@tjmakings]

It'll be bad for marketing because it has horrible range.

[@peiguy1982]

@@tjmakings Do you own one? I do. It is more to do with the aerodynamics than the load. Yeah Alex has a fairly high and flat trailer it likely wouldn't be that fun towing across country. Low profile or V nose trailers different story. Might as well compare the trucks though. The efficiency is about the same as a gas towing, there just isn't the same amount of energy in the pack as there is a full tank of gasoline. They tow awesome actually. Alex just gets them from the dealership not Ford Canada. Likely just an odd dealer request, nothing to do with getting bad press.

[@tjmakings]

@peiguy1982 I don't own one, but I do own several diesel pickups and trucks. They may pull great and handle it well, but that only gets you so far. I can run my 50 gallon aux tank and 48 fallon fuel tank in my pickup, and it'll get me pretty damn far, loaded down with some pretty decent weight.

[@peiguy1982]

@@tjmakings Yeah it's my 4th half ton. Two gas, and one diesel. You need to live with the thing yes. Would I buy it if I was towing long distance daily? No. Lot's of practical uses for it though for sure.

[@krisramos7453]

If you are supposed to charge to 90% shouldn’t they advertise the range number at the 90% charge? And why not calibrate everything so that the battery reads 100% when charged to 90%. And leave that 10% buffer behind the scenes.

[@joeneonturbo]

Tesla lumps the sales of the model S, X with the cybertruck. Cybertruck alone did not sell 60k+ units

[@GettysGarage]

Thank you for clarifying that lol seemed too high.

[@bostondan77]

It looks like you did 0-60 in normal mode and not sport mode. Probably similar results.

[@slocavky]

I'd rather keep my diesel. Not interested in EV's what so ever... Not practical for what I do. Cant believe they told you not tow with it. makes no sense. Also cybertruck sales are just for a fashion statement, bragging rights, that's it. I have to give ford some credit because it doesn't look different than a normal f150.

[@JJJ5.7]

5.7 hemi? 😊

[@anthonymacneil2279]

This is off topic about this truck, Ram is losing 20% sales, so, the rumor is out, that there bringing back the V8. The Hurricane isn't proving to be reliable, with head gaskets blowing, water pumps, thermostats and computer issues, too much plastic crap in engine. This sounds hopeful for the V8 lover like myself.

[@TheVespap200e]

No tow video with your trailer? FeelsSadMan!

[@mikek4659]

NIO has battery swapping

[@Murman1973..]

Once there range is extended I buy one

[@stevenrast4261]

Imagine him with a Cybertruck…yes please

[@TheVespap200e]

And watch the rear bumper rip off when he is pulling his trailer! Lets Gooooo!😁😁👍

[@dgw4049]

For perspective… More Ford sold 22k F150LTG in 2024 Toyota only sold 21k Sequoias in 2024

[@infernoking7504]

Thats not a lightning its just a electric f150 the orginal lightning was its own thing. People might of actually liked it if it was a 2 door short bed. Only thing I like about it is that rear suspension it has is cool besides that extreamly bland and no reason to even tow. As much as I hatw the chevy ev truck its much better at range and towing.

[@symorlinthecaster5882]

This channel has got become so much better than TFL!

[@GettysGarage]

TFL does a great job in my opinion. I can only image the pressures they are under from manufacturers while trying to keep it real for the viewers. But I appreciate the love!

[@tjw4947]

super short range can't tow range gets cut in half.

[@fxdr1312]

Ground clearance of a RAV4

[@tbonafied1742]

It’s clear this truck isn’t for truck owners who tow or off-road, so not sure the ground clearance matters here, this is clearly aiming at the suburban truck owner who mostly commutes and may tow or haul once in a while. I’m not interested in one, but for many it will do everything wanted/needed with low fuel cost and possibly less ownership cost vs ice.

[@9x6x]

F150 Lightning skeptic: Cost, range, cold, depreciation… Making the wife pee her pants whenever I want, priceless!! 😎

[@travisharms9772]

They are very expensive grocery getters, kinda confirmed by the fact that Ford said don’t tow. Cool products but not very practical.

[@owenmonaco7817]

Any truck with an independent rear suspension, isnt a real truck. Think Ridgeline, maverick, the hyundai 'truck'.

[@joeblow5037]

Jesus 100K not "NO!", but hell NO!

[@danold6443]

can't tow with sample? that just tells you something ain't right!!

[@JonZimmerman-t3e]

Chevy ev truck knocks lighting out of the park hands down

[@GettysGarage]

in some aspects yes

[@angelawerner7696]

Imagine paying $80,000 for one of these trucks, then losing 30 to 35 percent of it’s value in the first year of ownership for a truck that has a limited, and decreasing range because of batteries that are slowly dying. Eight years later, after the warranty has expired, you have a dead hulk that is a liability because replacing those batteries exceeds the value of the vehicle! What a nightmare! No thank you!

[@ricksmith1382]

$60,000.00 to $85,000.00 for this thing? Keep it ford. However, I give ford credit for helping to eliminate the poison exiting their gasoline/diesel exhaust pipes. $85,000.00 dollars for a truck? What kind of wages and benefits are the employees getting paid. Must be high. No thanks. I'm not paying for that.

[@Jay-me7gw]

Have you looked at any crew cab truck from any manufacturer with a few options? They are all 60k. An XL F150 with literally no options except 4x4 starts at 50k.

[@BradyReading]

MO POWAH BABY

[@GettysGarage]

shes QUICK!

[@nuts5388]

2/100 reliability score

[@Mountain-Man-3000]

HAHAHA!!! They asked you not to tow because they already know that'll be bad for them!! 😂

[@ryanmac7377]

the day you can get 500miles min out of these vehicles and charge times of 10 min or less spells doom to the ICE vehicles. These are the future just not quite there yet.

[@SSgt-]

I live in a rural area, there’s not even a public charger in my county. I’ll stick with my gas F150 with its 36 gal extended range fuel tank. I’ve been places in the country were the cell phones don’t work much less finding a charger.

[@richardrozak7297]

Ford didn't want you to tow with? They skeered? Why soitenly! Hook your trailer to that and I bet you couldn't do half your usual loop.

[@hapy_hamster]

First f150 to not have cam phaser issues in 10 years 😂

[@GettysGarage]

Hey now! careful with those fighting words 😂

[@economicfusion6065]

Only lease EVs for the foreseeable future

[@romanf7277]

2nd

[@MendicantBias1]

Makes more sense that dudes buying 2500 diesel trucks to tow air. 😂

[@GettysGarage]

Alot of boys out there running ghost trailers 👻

[@MendicantBias1]

@ spooky!

[@vr4787]

Ford not letting him tow with the EV just shows how much confidence they have into their product. 😏

[@pjbuckmaster]

Kind of pointless if ur not going to tow with it. I understand u have to do what ur told so u get trucks but I watch this channel because u give opinions on things but this is not it. Don’t do it if u cannot tow with it.

[@kevbecker672]

I dont come to this site to see electric vehicles....Just sayin

[@Lee-JayGessell]

Man bun truck

[@blueheelerfriend8450]

Booooooo😂🍻😊

[@MilanPalushaj-uh3df]

EV No thank you 😊

[@Zzus321]

I'm thinking the same thing, You can't spell Evil without EV

[@Shlakester1]

Useless truck. No tow no go.

[@fernandoserrano4266]

🤮🤮