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[@INFIDEL82AA]

I did enjoy the slow-mo fire ignition! That looked pretty cool. Gonna tell you this, though... You'll come back in one or more years to do a review, and it'll still look just as it does now. Weather you dry poor or wet mix this type of concrete, the chemicals are STILL going to do their job! Don't care what any concrete guy says... This is how it works, and will always work. It's designed to work this way. People are just mad because they know that other people will do the same thing instead of calling the concrete man, for simple slab work. Thank you for taking the time and risking the damage to your project. It turned-out great! Stay safe, take care!

[@renetto]

Thanks for the comment and support my big brained friend!

[@LogicalNiko]

I agree that over time a dry pour slab will be very close in strength to a wet pour. Concrete typically takes 28 days to reach full strength when wet poured, and 70-80% of its strength is reached within 48 hours. I think that dry pouring does two things. First I think it slows down the curing process. A suspect the 70% hardness threshold will be more like 3-7 days and it will be more variable depending on exactly how you did the dry pour, thickness, moisture level, temperature, etc. I also would not be surprised if the maximum level is increased as well (30-45 days). Secondly, I think on a large average the overall strength of the concrete will potentially be lower. I think we're probably talking anywhere from 70-100% of normal wet poured concrete. And I think this is because there is an opportunity for less settling and more voids to form in a concrete that is slowly activated. This may result in just less binding between the cement, sand, and aggregate. Now given these two things would the risk make sense to do this in a foundation wall, or a structural building member....No. I wouldn't want to rely on the potential margins for error in the process. However would I park my lawnmower on it, patch a garage floor/driveway, put patio furniture on it. Yes, totally. I think in almost all those cases the is no real need for 3000-4000 psi concrete anyway, so if its at 10% reduced strength it really has no risk with its intended use.

[@jonnylewis8304]

I did this dry pour method for a 9 foot by 4 foot sidewalk in front of my house so that my driver side tire front and rear are on it. That way I don’t step out into mud when it’s raining. I measured the exact amount of water for the amount cement so I would not use too much water. After 24 hours I hosed it down once a day for 2 days. It took 3 weeks to cure, a lot longer than the traditional method. It has never cracked. It seems to be as strong as the slab I poured for my shop using the traditional way of mix water and cement in a mixer.

[@dchall8]

Since you asked (1:35) why this isn't going to work, the reason is that you allowed the concrete to dry instead of cure. If concrete dries out before it cures, it will be weak, as you demonstrated. Note that it dries out faster near the edges, so that's why you see it crushing near the edge. Curing involves keeping the concrete moist as it sets. Keeping it wet for 24 hours would be a minimum, but you allowed it to dry (not cure) in just a few hours. Curing is a chemical process where the water causes the cement in the concrete to develop into larger and larger crystals which bind together. When it dries out before curing, the crystals remain small and unbound which allows them to slip (break). Ideally you would cure concrete projects underwater for a week. With outsized projects like slabs, typically you would cover with a cloth, soak the cloth, and then cover with plastic sealed at the edges to prevent evaporation. I really like the idea of dry pouring concrete for all the reasons you mentioned. The problem is working out the best way to wet it and keep it wet while it cures.

[@meangreen7389]

Your comment was well written with details most people are unaware of regarding concrete.

[@carlosbarragan6729]

great comment. a calculated sprinkler sounds like it would do the trick🤔

[@treefiddy2470]

Tony needs his own channel. Dude is chill as hell

[@renetto]

I'll make sure he sees this comment. He's not looking for attention but I'm sure he would appreciate the kind words. Thank you!

[@bzab334]

6:00. Is Tony’s left arm much larger than his right arm? Maybe that’s a weighted vape pin.

[@g0DMVzzzz]

It’s the weed bro.

[@Chris-cj5rh]

Tony is a man of few words and infinite wisdom.

[@diytwoincollege7079]

A fishing or repo show

[@spyder2782]

Kind of wished you had waited longer for full cure. Thanks for the video

[@foxsquirrel3038]

Tony could make a living off smokin’ his vape and giving life advice. Guy seems like the real deal. You’re lucky to have him as a neighbor

[@rs-vl2im]

Concrete is guaranteed to do 2 things. 1- get hard. 2 - crack. doesn't matter if its dry pour or yet. it will crack either way over time. Good job on these videos. haters are gonna hate. thats what they do.

[@jacksonfev]

If it's done right, it won't crack. What a stupid comment.

[@terrylutke]

Good stuff! If you would cover the green but hard slab with burlap, straw, old rugs or carpet pads, anything that would stay wet, then keep that cover material wet for a week +-, to help achieve max concrete PSI. Concrete doesn't actually 'dry', it goes through a chemical reaction; even hard concrete is porous and will allow top down water saturation to help complete the cement/aggregate reaction process. More wet, more better:)

[@ltdlawnservice4586]

Longevity is the only question. Hard work builds character.

[@esparka]

Well, that proves it. A patio concrete slab dry-pour-a-La Paul-renetto-style installation method really works! I may have to use this strategy for a suitable area behind the Urban Farmer garage in NC. (hint: let it cure for a week before full use) -- I’d like to have been there for the festivities.. the bagfire was in fitting with the off-beat vibe of the night, so …. Great call..

[@renetto]

Thanks for the thoughtful comment!

[@bitmaxim]

Wow, you've accumulated well over a half million views in total for the three-video concrete series. And you're now above 40K subscribers. Congratulations!

[@LearningCurves123]

If you could see my excitement right now! I'm so happy this worked for you!!! Now I KNOW I can dry pour beside the driveway for my flower beds and walkway. Thank you so much for your hard work and dedication!

[@LearningCurves123]

Now you need to put some sealer on it and it will be finished!

[@kennethmeyer7113]

The concrete nerd in me just got awakened. Most people don't realize the main stress slabs on grade deal with come from the ground, not the load on top. As you mentioned, your grade material is non-expansive sand. The truck experiment is interesting, but if you do a quick calculation, assuming a 6"x6" footprint per tire, he had 4 tires on the slab, 2 front tires and 2 dualies, for a total of 144 square inches. If you divide the 14000 # by 144 sq in, you get 97 psi, not really much of a test. Most dirt can handle that load, as did your yard dirt. The main reason the edge cracked, other than what other have mentioned being lack of curing, was the concrete was put in a flexural (combination of tension and compression) load, instead of a strictly compressive load. Concrete is great in compression, not so much tension. This is really a great example of how concrete can perform even if it's abused (using that term strictly in an engineering context). You've done the sakrete industry a great service, and I appreciate your willingness to put the work in to see what kind of finished product you could achieve. Your cement, if properly hydrated (keep it damp) will continue to gain strength for years. The concrete in the Hoover/Boulder Dam is still gaining strength after 88 years, minuscule though the strength gain would be. Again, kudos and wear at least a dust mask the next time PLEASE

[@jaxturner7288]

6x6 is 36 per tire and 36x6 is 216 not 144. And the truck doesn’t weigh 14,000 pounds. A trucks GVWR and a trucks curb weight are two very different things. Regardless your quick math is definitely f’ed up. 👌

[@kennethmeyer7113]

@@jaxturner7288 the 14,000 pounds came from the video. I didn't make that up. I used 4 tires instead of 6 because it didn't look like his right rear tires made it on the slab. If they were all on the slab, that makes it less of a load per square inch, which was my point. The load of the truck isn't the main load the slab would normally have to deal with. Regardless, I thought this video was a great demonstration of how concrete has amazing load carrying capability, even if it wasn't placed in the "proper" way.

[@jaxturner7288]

@@kennethmeyer7113 I know you didn’t make that number up and it didn’t matter where the figure came from, it was just one of the figures in the equation that was incorrect and would have a substantial impact on the final answer.

[@kennethmeyer7113]

@@jaxturner7288 OK - I'm happy to use whatever number you think is correct, but you'll have to educate me on how you came to it

[@jaxturner7288]

@@kennethmeyer7113 I dont think the calculations are worth doing because the psi load from a truck on concrete SHOULD be insignificant compared to it’s capabilities. As far as the trucks actual weight as it sits, that would be very hard to estimate from the video but one ton chassis cabs like that start with a curb weight (no bed, cargo or passengers) around 5-6,000 and then hafta add whatever his toolbox service bed weighs full of crap who knows without putting it on a scale, but I do know that they max out their total vehicle weight ratings around 12-14,000k, and it can’t be loaded up to its absolute max vehicle capacity without a trailer attached or the toolbox’s full of lead so he shouldn’t of used that number. Ultimately a dry lawn would support the truck so like I said this shouldn’t be considered a stress test to validate the durability of concrete because the psi load would be insignificant.

[@Donnie_M.]

Couple more days and I'd have been like, "Oh yeah... this is definitely an April Fools Day prank video."

[@shadow83blk]

If you want to use it for a driveway or something heavy you could mix some concrete and put it around the edges and then dry pour the rest. I would also always use reinforcement like wire mesh, it isn't very expensive and adds a lot of strength.

[@zetamale7952]

Mighty fine job! 👍👍 Dry pour is way easier than a mixer. I've done the mixer crap. I'll be doing a dry pour soon.

[@desert-walker]

I’ve seen a lot of people do this on video so I guess it does work and if I ever need to do it I’ll definitely do it this way a lot easier😊

[@randylang8363]

I've been wanting to do a slab for my wife to park her little corolla. This gave me som reassurance with a few tweaks. But thank you so kuch for the video!

[@ArmandBuccieri-ui9il]

I live in Springhill Fl I will definitely try a pad in my back yard And save a lot of Money Thanks for the Videos.

[@ArtificialBanana]

I’m surprised you would want to risk ruining your slabs after all the work you did, but I guess you’ll get a lot of views!

[@renetto]

And have fun!

[@leo959]

I thought this dude would have like 1 million subscribers with all the enthusiasm hes carrying.

[@joseluislara7194]

Definitely would've waited more than 48 hrs for the concrete to dry. The edges are always the most vulnerable. But you still have a kick ass patio, and like you said, you did it yourself!

[@BackTo1969]

Just a tip that might help you out Paul. First I'd like to say I love these new vids. Well edited, and your views are really impressive. What may help you is that when you upload, add "end screens" and "cards" on your videos to promote other videos. Just a suggestion. P.s Update, I commemted on Gregs video "Renetto's back with a vengence" because of the success of your first concrete video, (lol being a bit naughty there) and my comment "went missing". Congrats on that tenacity and fighting spirit to keep on keeping on making videos and entertaining us. Thanks :-)

[@renetto]

I hope Greg Solomon takes the bait! Each video on the dry concrete video trilogy is going viral faster than the one before. I really enjoyed making these videos and I have no idea how to top it hahahahahahaha...

[@ww321]

That's so funny. I've been watching you do the concrete videos and saw the name of the channel and realized who you are. Seems like I may have seen you at the KZbin event at Pier 39 in SF a million years ago. Lol thanks for the videos.

[@zedwpd]

you can use a paint roller to make for a smooth top in the dry pour. You can even used stamped rollers for a pattern and you also do it in the dry

[@Sreyam86]

Love seeing that create Renetto back in action!

[@driver5297]

Yup I’m going to use this method for a patio! So easy and it doesn’t have to look super pretty! Thanks!

[@bobbrown3250]

You proved that you should DRIVE a commercial truck on your dry pour. Outdoor party pad or pad for your shed it should hold up well. GREAT JOB!

[@notthatjones6026]

This is fantastic! Great job!

[@renetto]

Thanks a lot!

[@phillipdase2036]

This is the answer I've been looking for for awhile!!!!!

[@MarioMartinez-os5ch]

Good job thanks for the test

[@VenturaIT]

That edge broke because it was on the edge and the bottom/ground prep wasn't perfect and it wasn't cured, you can fix it the same way, ha ha... you should have waited longer, I did a quick search in Google and it said wait 7 to 28 days before driving on a newly poured concrete driveway...

[@renetto]

Oh well...at least we had fun!

[@VenturaIT]

@@renetto You can repair it, no big deal.

[@enmodo]

​@@renetto you deserve to go viral for this video, and if it was fun too - even better!

[@km-tdiyota2764]

well i guess this puts to rest all the "concrete experts" that have been doing concrete for "35 years and this is the worst method ever" ... lol good work man

[@fernandohernandez-wr9ui]

Nice work but i do see one thing missing the stress relief joints. I think that would help it last longer

[@lani1life]

Tony is so handsome and laid back. And the concrete surprised me.

[@joshua646646]

You are a work horse Tony. You da man! So what if it cracks. You did it! Incredible! You going to run the ready mix companies out of business.👍👍👍😂😂😂

[@robertdiamondoil2384]

I going to do a porch this way 8x30 thank you for the video

[@warboop]

Pretty cool that it held up .Heck just a little cracking but you know it wasn't fully cured so ya maybe the second pass you should of waited for lol.

[@Socrates...]

That fire looked amazing

[@lonewolf6374]

Great pad for a shed. It would save you tons of money in lumber.

[@jameschupp2230]

RCC (ROLLER COMPACTED CONCRETE) is More Dense / Particles are Closer Together Than Pourable Concrete Mix, because Water Stretches / puts more Distance between particles. So yes, Dry Poured Concrete CAN BE Stronger than Regular Poured Concrete Mix... But you have to get enough moisture through out the slab. You did good to put water on the ground before. I would have put more water at the mid point to be sure to have plenty of moisture. Great Job!

[@garynelson4749]

normal mix poured concrete is not ready for loads at 48hrs ....im suprized it only cracked where it did

[@antonioyoutubeaccount5399]

Rent a core drill from Home Depot and take a quick core sample 👍

[@CleanWithConfidence]

Would you mind leaving an Amazon link to the wireless mic that was used for this video? I would really appreciate it 🙂

[@user-dg6wo9kh5u]

Please tell me how thick your dry pour is/was? When did you do it and is it still in tact. Good video

[@lilliancucco2701]

How often did you spray the water on? I’m in Tampa area also worried about the heat here.

[@dam54]

looks great!

[@Ggon636]

There a chance a portion may not get water and cause a hollow section. I would imagine this saves mix truck cost but mixing it with a truck or mixer would ensure that the concrete mixed at the proper ratio of water to concrete.

[@goaheadmakeourdayscooterpe9644]

A garden sprinkler on top even with a timer maybe for a week would probably work wonders for the strength keeping it from drying out.

[@catherinemarsh5453]

You can use a wheel barrow to mix and pour. . It would be like making a cake and not mixing all ingredients together before baking.

[@toodeep1913]

It should be noted that this was built on sand, i.e. zero compression. May not fair so well on a more compressible soil. None the less I am going to use the dry method for a rat slab under my house. Thanks for testing it.

[@renetto]

I did mention that in an earlier video. You are very correct. Florida has no siol and the sand is very compacted. I did not do any compacting at all. But this method may not work in soil with a lot of organic material.

[@dajur1]

What was your water reginem? Did you water it every 2 hours to keep it damp? It cures much better when you do that, I imagine even dry pours would benefit a lot.

[@girich5473]

Concrete needs 30 days before you should drive on it. And was it deep enough, 5 inches for driveways.

[@NPYRED]

This is great !

[@KarasCyborg]

Someone who does papercrete would have wanted those empty cement bags, so that's better than burning them. Didn't look like you compacted the area under the pour from what I could tell on the video, that could also impact the strength of the pour. Cement doesn't need very much water to activate, the less you have, the better it will cure because there isn't the tendency for porosity/voids to weaken the setting when the water evaporates. Water does help the 'workability' of concrete. Ready Mix is very expensive compared to mixing your own cement with gravel, sand and buying portland cement sacks, but if you don't get the proportions right, you will have weaker areas. The other alternative is a 10% cement mix to soil for stabilized soil cement if you need a patio area and you aren't going to be driving on it. It too is a lot of work.

[@er70ca72]

48 hours not long enough. You will have cracks even if you don't see them

[@davidowen888]

Nice, I think a little more cure time 👌

[@whatshedoingnow5687]

Dry pour is for people on a budget and or doing it by themselves. It's never meant to be structural to hold a building. Even if it cracks you can bring out the forms and do a top over. If you are doing it yourself at home if it works for you who cares what other people think. Some people have rocks you have concrete.

[@andrewstout2131]

Sooooo.... it failed. Just to be clear. "It compressed like mud". That means it failed. With a correctly poured slab, 48hrs would have been enough time for it to reach a higher strength than dry placement. Just pour it the correct way and be worry free. It's also not as difficult as he complained. Please... Always read and follow all safety instructions and use all recommended Personal Protective Equipment (PPE).

[@wadewoehrmann2835]

needed to overlap the mesh in the middle if you wanted real strength from the mesh.

[@greenspiraldragon]

Can you drive over a dry pour slab that is propped up off the ground on 4x4s? Test it and find out.

[@Nikonguy73]

The concrete was still in a wet state, not properly cured

[@angelsandfaes]

I am doing dog runs soon so this will be perfect for me because It will not have a huge weight load. I am a female doing this by myself. Thank you

[@walterrobinette1002]

For a dog run you don’t need it four inches

[@racingwithnogas]

Welp... I like it

[@jgp6711]

This is impressive (I am looking to do something similar). However ... that 14000lb monster is only pushing down at 3500lb per wheel (on average less in the back as it is a dually). But 4" of reinforced concrete standing up to 3500lbs is still good (meets my needs.)

[@drelaw2002]

AWESOME...

[@DaimondSoulknight]

I am a Carpenter of 30 years, working in Erosion control, Parks, Industrial and Utility. Can this work for none structural and small projects as you show, Yes. I have used this when doing Fence posts, or bollards some times, but you have to keep adding water till area stops absorbing in over about 5-10 mins. Would I do anything but post in this manner, No way. Reason being is many things: 1 - There is no way for all areas of the concrete to absorb enough water to get proper strength, by watering every 1-2 hours. Concrete if not wet enough is no good, too wet can create "efflorescence (that white crap leaching from concrete)" and may just flake apart. 2 - That light mist at start will create whats called a "Cold Joint" and every time you water it and it does absorb the water it creates another new Cold Joint. This will make easy fracture joins that will just pop off. 3 - Driving something heave across it may not do much or anything, if that first spray layer you did is about 1.5 - 2" thick and the base under it is stable enough. But near an edge even if you put a bull-nose on it, to reduce chipping, will chip off. The wood board you had on there protected the edges, It would of been worse with out them or soft soil there. 4 - More then likely If you pick up this slab, it will fall apart and most likely the center will just be powder, Unless it rained well enough to get around and under in the ground enough for it to absorb it from the soil. 5 - Anything done in this manner, will not survive anywhere that have great temperature fluctuations. Especially Cold areas that freeze, or has a frost layer, water will get into thoughts Cold Joints and freeze breaking the layers apart. Concrete will shrink and expand in warm and cold weather. If it fluctuates enough, and each of thoughts layers between the Cold Joints will expand and shrink at different rates, making them not Cold joints now but just floating layers. 6 - There is more things like possible "Segregation" I have seen in bags I wont get into. But I wont get into that and more and will just leave it here.

[@pichan78orellana90]

Do you remove the wood as you do every slab or leave???

[@americanmuscleup2497]

I think the GWVR any curb weight are different but carry on

[@teambettendorf]

Mentos and Coke flashbacks for the first few minutes. lol

[@catalickconverta6823]

You need sand and gravel in any concrete for it to be strong lmao the cement is just the binding and hardener

[@haydeesheen6246]

How many bags of cement did you use, and is there a brand or kind in specific that you need to use. Also were they 80 or 60 lb bags?

[@FisherCatProductions]

From test videos I watched, don't use a rapid set concrete. The fast setup of the first mistings impedes absorption of the latter ones.

[@MildarValsik]

So how many bags total did you use for it all?

[@tonyfrontuto1140]

That's a big ass truck. I don't know anything about concrete but I wonder if a traditional slab would've held up any better.

[@mhughes1160]

Just because cracks didn’t show up immediately doesn’t mean they won’t show up later as the concrete cures also with expansion and contraction. Be interesting to see it in a few months

[@subarumanrp233]

Im glad I'm not the only one with a wierd neighbor😂

[@timbob987]

Could have been a success had you kept it moist for 5-7 days and kept covered with plastic, then waited the 28 day requirement for the cure process before driving on it. It was probably only less than 5% cured when you drove on the edge. Probably ended up creating cracks underneath that have not shown up yet. Next time, add some mesh, water a lot and then wait for full cure.

[@t2titz139]

You should also show the 6-pack abs you got from doing this project.

[@aat3tville181]

I think if you had waited 30 days it would of held

[@weekendhomeprojects]

You may have revolutionized concrete work for decades to come.

[@A.C.71]

I really hope tony researches that e-cigarette and realizes he's putting metal into his lungs.

[@abdiel21ortega75]

How many bags it took for this project?

[@cjvx7208]

Now let's jack up the f350 on the pad

[@misterbulger]

Save yourself a lot of money that slab probably would cost like $3000 plus to have a crew of guys pour and finish not to mention if you're in tight spot where you'd need to hire a pumper and then you have the washout to deal with. Depends on what you need it for I suppose. If you live down south where you don't get much freezing it might hold up pretty well. When I lay any kind of pipes underground I just throw a dry concrete sack on the the bend points for a kicker to keep it from moving. The moisture in the ground takes care of it. You could have a dump trailer load of Portland and aggregate dropped off and you could make your own blend so you don't need all those of individual sacks. You could layer on the top less rocks so you don't have any exposed agg. Another good alternative is just using recycled concrete road base, wet it, then plate tamp the crap out of it. It'll set up almost like a slab too. Even cheaper and easier.

[@godscountryhomestead1177]

Self leveling concrete for a smooth top coat. 😊

[@samueladams584]

Holy cow

[@forecedtoreload]

Great video take just less talk makes it better. Most people don’t have that kind of time but again nice work.

[@messybench]

Too soon. Concrete can take years to get full hardness. It compressed because it's still wet.

[@jeromedenis4754]

I saw a crack pop when the truck was still moving without the back wheels on the concrete. This seems more and more like just a project to vlog. Just wait a year or three and it will be evident this was a mistake.

[@chantemazy-richburg6444]

Y’all could have done adult hop scotch on the slab at the after party.

[@renetto]

Adult Naked twister is even more fun!

[@karlgerber7652]

Does anyone realize it looks like a 75 year old slab subjected to daily rain? How thick is this? It isn't finished or mixed right. People watch these videos and take them seriously. Also keep in mind that whatever is underneath the concrete, including its compaction, is as important as the quality of the pour.

[@dave_ecclectic]

I don't see what this was supposed to show or prove. Concrete is still green at a mere 48 hours. If you had a cement truck and a professional crew pour these slabs, it would still be stupid to drive a truck on it after only 48 hours. As a dry pour I wonder if it even had time to absorb enough water yet.

[@hillbillybeerdranker6678]

It cracked because there was no steal rebar inside it. Gotta have stolen rebar inside it to make it strong

[@eugemorin7786]

It cracked because concrete NEEDS to be mixed before poring !

[@albertozelaya9391]

Hopefully that's not more oil or transmission fluid leaking all over your nicely done😢

[@ScruffyNerfHerder666]

we all need a tony

[@jacklabloom635]

48 hours is not enough time for the concrete to reach its full strength. I assume those bags contained 4000 psi rated concrete mix. Had you kept the concrete moist for five full days, prior to driving on top of it, you likely would not have cracked it. I assume you read the instructions written on the bags and decided you did not care whether or not your dry pour cracked or not, if the video generated enough views.

[@gretschclassic]

Hi Paul, I'm going to do this under my new build home. Love this whole idea and I think the dry pour concrete comes out tougher and harder than a wet pour. For the 12ft by 8ft area, can you tell me how many bags and the depth of the pad? Oh, btw, loved the updated truck driving over it. Just a little bit of crumble on the edge but nothing in the middle. And only 48 hours curing.... Incredible.

[@jaxturner7288]

Why would you think that it is tougher or harder? And if you can’t figure material needed for the area you are working with, you definitely shouldn’t be doing concrete foundation work, as it’s obviously your first go around working with concrete if you can’t estimate the material for yourself.

[@gretschclassic]

Hey Jax, thanks for your unhelpful and sanctimonious reply. I live in Australia and we use Metric. I was unsure of the depth Renetto used. Oh, for the record (as if I feel the necessity to tell you), I've built two homes and used concrete in many ways....driveways, foundations etc. So you just sit back and relax on that high horse of yours and never mind what I'm doing.

[@rishken]

What you gonna do with the extra cement?

[@renetto]

Keep pouring!

[@mattwernecke2342]

The issue that I've seen is that people don't add enough water.