Ford Mustang GT3 | Setup Tips & Tricks (Ride Height, ARB, etc)

[@BobK58]

I gave up on ACC. I'm too slow. Now I'm playing Euro Truck Simulator 2. I'm a better truck driver than racer.

[@SimracingPopometer]

have you compared to other truck drivers though? they might be faster :D

[@BobK58]

@@SimracingPopometer That's true!

[@peermancolin]

@@SimracingPopometer 🤣

[@AkeemLee-m7m]

I was slow too I was doing 1:48.7 around hungaroring now I’m doing 1:45.8 on 62 L of fuel it just takes practice and patience my friend and you may have a poor setup like the one I have a cheap g29 with pedals that are not so good

[@jg7702]

Do you actually need a steering wheel to enjoy this game?

[@mich5528]

Saw this car as LMGT3 in RL at the 6 hours of Spa… the looks and for sure the impressive sound during the race got a lot of positive feedback from the audience! Another bump of Respect to Ford and it motivated me to drive this on Imola sprints, very stable!

[@j0r3d-race]

thank you very much Nils, very interesting video !

[@Mc1aine]

Really appreciate this Nils. Learning a lot from this sort of video.

[@LowCountryMack]

Thanks for this. I'm a first year Rookie and I'm going to drive the Mustang for the first time in a full season. First race is at Spa. That said, my practices have been productive as we get to know each other. I've adjusted bump stops front and rear a click or two at a time. The front bump is fairly close in stop range. The rear has a touch more range. I don't have to much rake in the chassis, varying about 5 meters between front and rear. Traction control I've set TC1 is 3. TC2 at 4. Going to try your advise on the TC and see how it feels. After what you said, I might not be giving TC a chance to engage fully. Trail braking this car, it didn't take me long to get use to, driving in a bit deeper each corner to find a limit and not oversteer to badly on exit. I understand what you were saying about throttle control in mid corner, to exit and helping the car rotate. For some reason, I can feel the rotation in the Mustang more than other cars I've driven. Could be I just finally have reached a level where I'm noticing and understanding what I'm feeling more, IDK. Sorry my setting info is vague, but I'm writing this at work. Your channel and content are superb. Thanks!👍

[@albertoespinosa8204]

Nice tips man, really thank you in the name of ACC community 😊❤

[@AmbientMike]

been waiting to hear your thoughts on it! WRC takes most of my time now but hopped on ACC to give it a go. I used to main the AMG, and prev the Jag lol, so I knew id love it, but set a PB at Monza out the gate with a high 46.9

[@recarsion]

On the topic of dampers, the one thing that's important to remember imo are the fast dampers on tracks where either you need to ride the kerbs a lot or the track is just very bumpy by default. But the Mustang specifically just takes them like a champ in almost every situation.

[@jannisya3143]

Interessant Nils... fast alle Setups haben in der Regel ein Hohes Heck. Auf Spa habe ich was Experimentiert und komme eigentlich mit einem niedrigen Heck besser zurecht und bin sogar schneller als mit Hohem Heck sozusagen...auch Eure Setups sind echt gut ...im Grunde muss man sich mit dem Fahrverhalten vom Mustang vertraut machen und da ich schon fast 2 Jahre Mclaren fahre muss ich mich noch auf den Mustang umstellen aber das Auto gefällt mir sehr gut was das Allgemeine Fahrverhalten angeht....muss mql mit Eurem Setup mal 100 R drehen um es halbwegs zu verstehen 😅

[@SimracingPopometer]

ja mittlerweile haben sich auch low wing setups entwickelt, bei denen man dann mit niedrigerem Heck fahren muss. aber weniger wing hat meistens auch extremeres Verhalten in schnellen Kurven und ich will vermeiden, dass irgendjemand deswegen Mal abfliegt. darum in der Tendenz immer auf sicher und stabil.

[@jannisya3143]

@@SimracingPopometer ja verstehe die Vorgehensweise...bin und fahre auch so zum Teil mit deinen Einstellungen...aber mit Full Wing und Rake kann ich es nicht optimal ausnutzen ....um auf für mich gute Zeiten zu kommen 😅muss da ein Kompromiss eingehen beim Mustang 😉✌️und vergleiche auf Popometer wie ihr Profis fährt 😉....und als Jahrzehnte langer Rallye Sim Fahrer (RBR) ist Rundstrecke (noch) eine andere Welt ...😉✌️

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@jannisya3143 :) ja wir fahren idealerweise nicht quer :D

[@jannisya3143]

@@SimracingPopometer 😅✌️mitn Mustang geht's gut....nur die Zeit ist nix🤣

[@cards7651]

Just finished watching the onboard camera of car 77 at Le Mans…ACC sure captured the Mustang’s sound …also, the overall car in general…I agree with all the items you discussed here but regarding the dampers….certain corners at the Nurburgring for example, the dampers are a huge help…turn 2 especially…quick way to dial out the snap oversteer as you apply power AFTER the crest of the hill… Also, I have Motec workbooks that I have developed and use since GT2 ….I am asking if you could share your timing section split times during your testing…gives me a bench mark to shoot for…but since I right foot break and still use my very old Logitech MOMO RED wheel…and my reflexes are not what they were…but at 74, I am still in within 3.5 % on most tracks….other than the tracks with more low speed corners….still working on those….but, overall, your KZbin vids are a great pleasure and some of the little hints are just what I need to gain a tenth here and there….many thanks …great presentation

[@cypcyphurra8755]

Fantastic Guide! I need to check out the data packs. I really love the sound of the Mustang and it actually sounds fantastic in real life. I've seen it at the WEC in Spa this year. Unfortunately somehow I can't get it to work for me.. but probably the Mustang is not a car for me. I'm one of the weirdos driving the Honda :)

[@Legenwait4itdary]

can you give a little bit of insights how the rear bump range impacts not only traction on exit, but also when the car brakes heavily into corners. Is it true, that with high rear bump range the rear lifts very high into corner brake, and thus the car gets more unstable?

[@SimracingPopometer]

no. the bump stops are active on compression, not lift

[@SDRaygon]

The more bump range in the rear, the more you allow the suspension to more, depending on wheelrate the more stable it is, you want a soft rear and stiff front for most potiential brake stability

[@Reetzah]

@@SDRaygonfor more stable braking you need stiff rear for it not to “slip out”. I never usually have problems in braking stability and love soft rear with low arb. But stiffer rear and higher arb should help in braking stability since rear will be more controlable. Soft rear - easy to turn, unstable, higher grip. Stiff rear, may be harder to turn, more stable, less grip.

[@SimracingPopometer]

a stiff rear is only giving braking stability when a) the front is also stiffer and b) because of a stiffer spring extending less when you brake and thus you get a smaller aero balance change under braking, which means its only effective in aero dependant braking zones at higher speeds. but if you only stiffen up the rear spring and do nothing else, you will have a more oversteery car

[@Legenwait4itdary]

@@SimracingPopometer thanks very much nick!

[@sky194]

Great video! Enjoyed!🙂👍

[@GeekFurious]

Amazing stuff. Side note: I wish someone could make a video of their recording settings for videos that get uploaded to KZbin because yours look amazing and mine look like they were recorded on a potato. Note that the original quality is fine, it's when it gets uploaded to KZbin that it looks terrible.

[@SimracingPopometer]

1440p recording, hevc codec, all epic in acc

[@GeekFurious]

@@SimracingPopometer Exactly as mine. What do you use to record the videos? OBS?

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@GeekFurious yeah obs. 40 Mbit per second

[@GeekFurious]

@@SimracingPopometer So weird, it's the same... I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. Why does my stuff look so terrible compared to yours? And again, I don't mean the original video recording through OBS which looks great, I mean once it's uploaded to KZbin it looks terrible, but yours looks great.

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@GeekFurious perhaps you just get better quality once you pass a few milestones and with a certain amount of views the ad earnings for KZbin surpass the cost of delivering a certain data rate

[@kimjong-understeer6396]

You can try to calculate the ride height changes for cars that are used in ACC and iRacing. ACC uses wheel rates, iRacing uses spring rates. With that information you can calculate the motion ratio for the rear and the front suspension of a given GT3 car. You can then create a math channel that calculates the actual wheel/suspension travel using the motion ratio and damper travel values. This is of course still not as accurate as a ride height sensor, but better than nothing.

[@Reetzah]

Shouldnt that be available in motec with out the need to calculate anything?

[@kimjong-understeer6396]

@@Reetzah Nils said you can't have ride height readings in ACC in Motec

[@Arshad_Kappil]

I usually do 1.47s with McLaren in Monza..But,with mustang i can only do 1.49 lows..I am doing the same lines and low TC as well..is it the gear shift that slows me down?

[@SimracingPopometer]

you need to go all the way on the mustang, other than that it shouldn't be slow. however the McLaren was also entirely ridiculous at some point

[@RacingPCs]

I fell out of ACC. So much to try this year: LMU, iRacing then the new ACE. Also I was driving the 296 and while such car is very enjoyable on some tracks, like Kyalami, it is absolutely orrendous in others, like Imola, or where there are curbs as the car literally flies touching them. It's also fundamentally ugly to drive as an experience. So I'm kind of trying to find a car to race once in a while in ACC. I'm not sure if the Mustang is such car or I have to shift to the Aston or whatever. One car that doesn't fly and it's nice to drive. Thing is a bundle done by yourself, with Popo behind and some work on my side surely can help in progressing and driving more meaninfully.

[@Legenwait4itdary]

I also found out for me that I like the mustang with low to zero front ARB on nearly every track, i dont know why it feels more reactive on steering and does not really oversteer into corners like e.i the 296, thoughts?

[@SimracingPopometer]

yeah, you can go pretty far to overcome its understeery nature

[@SimracingPopometer]

Any questions? Shoot! The bundle is here: popometer.io/acc/bundles/155

[@Quentenius]

Hi, Nils. I've been using your Porsche 992 setups for some time now and absolutely love them. Previously tried CDA and GO setups, and yours have something special, namely speed and balance. Two questions-- are you able to drop one of these Ford setups (wouldnt mind Audi too of course) to check out, like you did for the M6 and AMG, into our accounts? More importantly, Weirsma's M4 is good, but really hoping you will make a bundle based on your own M4 interpretation. Any plans?

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@Quentenius just hit me up on discord for a audi or ford setup. bmw not currently planned, as it would alienate wiersma's bundle just because of the name, not because of the quality.

[@randypittman4994]

Any way to use data on the ps5?

[@SimracingPopometer]

unfortunately not

[@takadekadaka2493]

How differently do you approach cornering with a shorter wheelbase car like the Aston vs the longer wheelbase cars like the BMW/Ford? Does it also change how much suspension travel you allow?

[@SimracingPopometer]

i dont think the wheelbase changes much. maybe you dont need to be as aggressive with the aston to convince it to turn, but it also has other options for that (more rake possible, more negative toe possible, smaller spring steps for fine tuning, better weight distribution than the ford, different aero map...)

[@Fifou001]

I've got ride heights in the motec and it is pretty accurate. found in from a spanish youtuber

[@SimracingPopometer]

you can use the suspension movement and calibrate the stationary car in motec to match the setups ride heights. however, you don't know at which angle the suspension sits in the wheelhouse so you have only an assumption of what the ride height does. someone else commented starting with the wheel rates in the setup - which is probably a more precise method but you also need to be better with maths

[@Fifou001]

@@SimracingPopometer maybe i can send it to you for you to have a look?

[@snippidippi]

I can't handle the corner out, mustang even with tc4-5 is just spinning out and I'm always "trail gasing". Feels not good for me

[@lombardy3274]

How do I change the setup to control rear instability under power delivery whilst maintaining nimble direction changes?

[@SimracingPopometer]

its never a simple answer, cause it depends on the driver error you do on top of the setup: however, its inherent to the ford, higher TC will help, but also stiffer front springs compared to rear, same for the anti roll bars, or simply a lower rear ride height. it all depends on the setup you currently have

[@lombardy3274]

@@SimracingPopometer i’m dropping the rear but that’s inducing too much understeer in medium and high speed. I’ve tried dropping the rear and increasing rear ARB and reducing rear bump range and that has helped a little bit. Although only in the low 43’s at Barca and over a second off my 296 times. Would like to try this as a different car but just can’t seem to control that low speed wheel-spin.

[@SimracingPopometer]

right foot magic :) or just get my setup that did the 42.1, while using a fair bit of TC. the exact throttle traces I do are also there for you to compare. in the video the throttle chases I highlighted even are from barcelona cause its so pronounced there

[@Freddy_Merckx]

Thank you so much for this nice tutorial! I am currently looking into purchasing one of the data pack bundles but I lean more towards the 296. I saw that most of the setups for the 296 are still for 1.9.8 or earlier. Are the older setups still good in 1.10.2? When purchasing one of the data packs, are you also eligible to receive free updates for the setups (eg going from 1.9.8 to 1.10.2)? Is there any thumb of rule how long it takes for such updates? Cheers, Freddy

[@SimracingPopometer]

yes, if there are updates to a data pack from within a bundle, then you also just get access to that, you also get a notification if anything changes so you dont miss it. 1.9.8 and 1.10 dont differ to degrees that would render setups unusable from the previous patch. most cars are also unchanged. there were only a few kg adjusted for a few cars, to correct the base BOP a little. plus, yes, something on the dampers, but i dont think its too effective. there's no schedule however as to when a certain creator does their updates. between 1.9.8 and 1.10 they will likely not make changes as it should all still work. in any case: read the description what the target of the setups was for the creator or just send them a DM on discord if unsure!

[@Freddy_Merckx]

@@SimracingPopometer Thanks a lot! 🙏🏼

[@fs5490]

Villeicht eine dumme frage, aber wieso fährt man eigentlich zb mit max wing und 8klicks rake? Kann man nicht einfach beides runter und so geschwindigkeit gewinnen? Oder gibts noch andere einflüsse der einstellungen als abtrieb auf der hinterachse? Versuch mich neuerdings mit setupbau aber das schnell ich nicht so ganz😅

[@SimracingPopometer]

wie im video erklärt, mehr rake = mehr downforce vorne und hinten. mehr downforce = schneller in den kurven. den flügel abbauen hilft zwar, dass das heck sich wieder um die front dreht, aber die front hat trotzdem weniger grip wenn man mit weniger oder ganz ohne rake fährt. heißt: es fühlt sich zwar nach rotation an, aber man ist trotzdem langsamer dabei, weil die front einfach nicht mehr kann. man rutscht einfach früher über alle viere, die aero balance bestimmt nur wo es zuerst rutscht: hinten oder vorne

[@fs5490]

@@SimracingPopometer ok. Ich hab da was grundlegend falsch im kopf gehabt. Vielen dank

[@maxshramko5214]

Where I can get Front/Rear weight distribution info for all other cars?

[@SimracingPopometer]

google for me

[@maxshramko5214]

@@SimracingPopometer ok, so it's not fetched from the game files...

[@SimracingPopometer]

@@maxshramko5214 no, google. there's always something to find

[@maxshramko5214]

​@@SimracingPopometer It is indeed, however 2/3 of all info is a crap and can't be trusted unless it's from the Dev guy from Kunos who made a commit in Github with car settings 🙂

[@SimracingPopometer]

well, lets assume they do their research and mimic the car as per the properties it has

[@Senna94xb]

Moin, danke für deine tollen Videos, sag mal welchen Steering Look hat der Mustang GT3?

[@SimracingPopometer]

516, genau wie der BMW

[@Senna94xb]

@@SimracingPopometer Besten Dank! 👍

[@peermancolin]

only 24 mins? I feel a bit short changed 🤣

[@stefanvaeth]

Servus, I would be interested in the bundle, but for the sake of understanding. I have to register and then take out a paid membership to be able to buy something again? Greetings

[@SimracingPopometer]

yes it's due to the structure of the platform. we have several creators for setups and pass on the majority of the money to them to give them a good incentive and also to have them participate in platform growth. the subscription is for the platform and the additional features, part of these features are being able to buy the bundles, which have an even higher share for the creators.

[@stefanvaeth]

@@SimracingPopometer All right, thanks Nils.

[@SDRaygon]

Ive been running max rake, max win TC1: 2-3 TC2:11 min wheelrate, dampers the top 2 bars in each square on lowest, and the bottom 2 bars in each sqare on max. its been working pretty good for me

[@SimracingPopometer]

that's not a well calibrated setup though. it doesn't look to cure any of the cars issues other than "we need more rotation". and will be pretty bad at traction. a nuanced set will be better for 99% of people

[@remilang9683]

so u just selling somethin, and u make 30min video about it... thanx for nothink

[@Dankpatroit]

Im on controller and im running 1:50.003 best lap in the mustang so far at Monza but im in the 50's 51's on average.

[@caliginousmoira8565]

how..... p cars had motion steering that's how i played that until i got my wheel but i cannot do it with ac/c

[@David.Maughan]

I know Im a month out of date but I was playing with the Mustang yesterday on Monza with a controller. What I found is taking the rear wing to 0, and useing setting 6 for the TC greatly helped with the throttle apllication, and rotation of the car.

[@Broken_But_Not_Broke]

Ford. Eww.

[@sawkin7777]

Hallo! Kannst du vielleicht so ein Video auf Deutsch machen?

[@SimracingPopometer]

also das? kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJWwg5Z8pq2sb7s

[@sawkin7777]

@@SimracingPopometer Danke dir!