Nice job at putting the info right up front then explaining it all out. I wish more videos would do this.
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
thanks. just trying to streamline the process for folks a bit. evolution in video making I suppose
@dariuswhite25434 жыл бұрын
@@huntprimitive9918 how far apart would u say a deer ribs are aligned in its rib cage.
@dariuswhite25434 жыл бұрын
@@huntprimitive9918 i seen your stone age arrow build how u used anpiece of cane to burn the flethingd into shape . But how did u get that nice looking sheild fleching on ur primitive arrows.
@thefeatheredfrontiersman81354 жыл бұрын
I'm in southeast Idaho, we don't have Reed or cane. I know that exact feel of a favorite arrow. It was a Holly oak shaft (Oregon) and a chokecherry foreshaft. (Idaho) it was Fletched with sage grouse wings I killed my first rough grouse with a orange California jasper point. Still got it on my necklace. Re lashed a new point on and lost that arrow shooting at a coyote. I remember you saying that hardwood shafts are the most difficult. That's all I have. But it was when I compounded my arrows that they started to fly straight. Thanks for the lesson Ryan, you are the man!
@douglasswain4294 жыл бұрын
First off thank you for sharing the knowledge you have I'm 58 years young and learn every day I've lived in a tent since September on my ex wife and her husband's property started bow hunting 20 years ago with compound and went traditional about 2 years later went primitive fire arms about the same time I've knapped for about 20 years with no training I am so blessed to have come across your site thank you again for sharing the knowledge you have I pray you and all you love stay safe and healthy what was will be and knowing the past gives us a future thank you young man
@douglasswain4294 жыл бұрын
I will say I'm going primitive hunting this year it has been a great experience going back in time instead of getting caught up in high tech
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much for the kind words and encouragement Douglas. I really appreciate it and thanks for following along with my channel as well.
@chronomancer87724 жыл бұрын
What you're saying makes sense for how I think you should design a primitive arrow. You're mainly limited by the speed of your arrow on how close you can get before the game animal has time to react. The faster the arrow the less time they can react so you increase your effective range for hunting. Heavier arrows are going to be slower but have more penetration. However if the arrow is enough to down the animal you don't need more penetration. So get enough weight to do the job and keep it as fast and light as you can. I also like that plug trick. I was trying to figure out how I would attach my stone points to a cane arrow.
@ThirdLawPair8 ай бұрын
What impresses me is that both Otzi and Ishi used foreshafted arrows, but we only know what Otzi had on him on one particular day. Ishi, on the other hand, was able to describe how he used different arrow builds for different purposes and depending on what materials were available. If we only had information about what Ishi was carrying on one particular day like we have for Otzi, we likely wouldn't know the variety of arrow builds that he utilized.
@adam-k4 жыл бұрын
I think you got it right with the repair. I think people used foreshafts because they could reuse broken arrows and save the amount of work that went into straightening the arrow and the fletching.
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
yup, for sure
@ThirdLawPair8 ай бұрын
Not necessarily. Otzi the Iceman was carrying multiple unfinished arrows that were specifically built to use foreshafts.
@kytziaf4 жыл бұрын
Ishi and other California tribes also drilled and put fore shafts in their arrows. I think possible it is because ultimately when you shoot and damage the stone point and the haft you can just replace the foreshaft instead of the whole arrow.
@caseysmith5442 жыл бұрын
The Plains tribes like Sioux and Mandan used Bone or antler for the arrow tips often when stone was hard to find for the tips. The Wood Used for shaft was same as the backed minor B shaped flat limb longbow/paddle bow, Eastern Red Cedar/Juniper but the small thin trees. They often fire hardened the shaft or used the sinew on outside to protect the arrow. If not Eastern Red Cedar/Juniper, some used Chokecherry shafts of the skinny smaller trees but not too small was used for the whole shaft doing the same to protect the shaft the way they did with Eastern Red Cedar/Juniper. They did not use Honey Locust for anything due to how tough the wood is now on modern equipment so it would have been near impossible to work with.
@erniemays4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy watching your videos. I am a novice to flint knapping and cane arrow building and absolutely loved this video. I would love to see a video on how you are tapering the foreshafts?
@1boortzfan3 жыл бұрын
Great video explaining arrow weight. I was introduced to archery in about 1967 or 68. The fellow that introduced me to it told me that the plan was to shoot the animal and have the arrow stay in the animal as he ran away so that the arrow bouncing around caused more and more damage as the animal ran. I don't hear that line of thinking any more. Now days people seem to think that if they didn't get a complete pass through it was a bad shot. Is it a different way of thinking or what?
@larryreese61464 жыл бұрын
Very good information. Thank you.
@ssrhythm6923 Жыл бұрын
Can you address what you use when tuning arrows to your bow...or a new bow for you that you don't yet know what spine it likes? I can take a Douglas fir arrow that is a bit long and under-spined with a point of the weight I want to shoot on it, and shorten the arrow in small increments until it is flying true...then it's easy-peasy to make a set, practice with field tips, and switch to broad heads of the same weight and make small adjustments from there. When I make cane arrows, I do the same as above with the first arrow using glue on field tips and a cane plug until I get it flying true. I then make 4 or 5 more nearly identical cane arrows, and maybe I'll get three that fly true and impact the same or good enough for close shots on deer sized animals...or it may take ten arrows to get three that fly true. I do the same as above with broadheads and additional micro tuning...then I can practice with the field tips and switch out for broad heads when it's time to hunt. I want to start hunting with stone points, and I've finally gotten accomplished enough with my knapping skills to make hunting-worthy points. I realize that I want to be shooting small points like the small ones in this video, and they come in at ~35-40 grains. I do not want to use fore-shafts for all the reasons you lay out in the video, so what do you suggest as far as getting the arrows tuned to the bow? I haven't gotten efficient enough at knapping to go flinging my stone points into hay bales. How would you go about reducing arrow length to stiffen spine considering all the work it takes and the relative permanence of hafting stone points to cane arrows without fore-shafts?! I know you've been doing this for a long time, you do it for a living, and you have it pretty much figured out. I'll never have the time invested and experience you do even if I quit my job tomorrow and did noting but build bows and arrows, so any insight into what you think would be the best way to be able to build and tune....then be able to practice with the arrows you want to hunt with prior to hafting the 35-40 grain stone point you want to kill a deer with...any insight into that will be much, much appreciated. Thanks for your vids.
@WaschyNumber13 жыл бұрын
Nice video 🖖👍
@dimfuturefilms90704 жыл бұрын
Great video Mr. Gill, I was wondering the other day "how in the hell would the timucua eat gar?" Because they have really hard shells and it would be impossible to cut it using stone tools. How do you think they prepared it?
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
there are times we spear them and eat them. I lay them whole right on a bed of coals and their skin splits open when they are done cooking. The snout makes a nice turning handle as well
@dariuswhite25434 жыл бұрын
@@huntprimitive9918 how can u determine the draw weight of a finished selfbow. IS 45 POUNDS ENOUGH TO HUNT DEER WITH . Can u heat treat jasper to make sharper arrow heads
@douglasswain4294 жыл бұрын
At 5 yards to ten yards grain weigh doesnt mater I completely agree with what you are teaching sharp flies well and shot placement that is what ethical hunting is. You pegged it on the nose 7 eight is not what is necessary some of my points are only a little wider than the arrow and I know they will do the job.
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
yup for sure. thanks much
@grbc-yg6ml4 жыл бұрын
Hello. Very ingenious and interesting. Very pretty arrows. What wood is used for the foreshafts ?
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
I used sparkleberry, but any hardwood really works fine.
@grbc-yg6ml4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. I tried, a few weeks ago, to make the same type in viburnum, wich is hollow, with cherry plum foreshafts
@nicholaspowroznick43224 жыл бұрын
Hey Ryan you said you use nonforshafted Arrows to hunt and I run into the problem of using arrows to practice with I will use arrows that I made and I will shoot them a dozen times practicing with them and they will break I plan on switching from for shafted arrows to the style you use and hunt with how do you practice with your arrows when there is no fourth shaft involved do you have a set of arrows that you practice with and a set that you hunt with? Because there is no force shaft involved do you shoot your arrows with blunts how do you do it Thank you!
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
I have an arrow or two that I practice with and the rest have stone points and ready to hunt. Id it's the small stone points like I have been using lately, I just shoot the blunt end into a hay bale. If I am shooting larger points, then I utilize a 70 grain glue on field point
@nicholaspowroznick43224 жыл бұрын
HuntPrimitive Thank you so much your videos are great God bless
@melgillham462 Жыл бұрын
Does foreshafting not allow you to keep the arrow length static and thus the weight margin at a narrower bracket?
@cameronpain14224 жыл бұрын
Ever used cattail as arrow shaft material? I’ve only tried hardwood shoots for arrows like red osier dogwood and ocean spray.Recently Ive been having difficulty getting my arrows perfectly straight. lots of humps and valleys when looking down the shaft.
@nicholaspowroznick43224 жыл бұрын
Great video i always wanted to know about your arrow set up .. im trying to get my cane arrows ready for this comeing archery season this will be my first year using completely primitive gear
@izzyplusplusplus10044 жыл бұрын
I was going to try to make some arrows out of the same Osage Orange trees as my staves. Bad idea?
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
yeah, osage arrows are really prone to grain run out breakage problems and really sharp splinters. Osage isn't a good choice for arrows
@izzyplusplusplus10044 жыл бұрын
@@huntprimitive9918 Thanks.
@nugget70584 жыл бұрын
I also use cane arrows but i dont use foreshafts and i wanna ask if what is better in your opinion flint arrowheads or glass arrowheads
@tetrazolelover4 жыл бұрын
Many times also elderberry, wild rose or even viburnum or philadelphus shoots need foreshaft. I like that cheap "african" arrowhead design - a thick long steel wire with pounded, pointed and sharpened front end (with or without barbs cut out with chisel). It's like foreshaft and arrowhead in one, it's quite heavy but its penetrating ability is superior.
@davidturner70404 жыл бұрын
Hey amigo great vid. I make mine with a sharp pointed foreshaft no tip unless it's fishbone for bird hunting. The idea is for me to keep the cane and lose the shaft if it happens. Because the cane quality isnt the greatest so it's more valuable
@davidturner70404 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah for weight and glue I use Creek mud . Works great creates a suction.
@Soviless993 жыл бұрын
cant you just fill the arrow shaft with some sort of heavy pine glue to make the front stiff and heavy
@mattwatkins238310 ай бұрын
What about using kaelin clay to pack in instead of sand?
@douglasswain4294 жыл бұрын
Ps is the copper bracelet for pain in your wrist and does it help
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
Nah, it's just something I enjoy. I don't think I see any benefits from copper, I still hurt everyday.lol
@hughswanzy88714 жыл бұрын
How long are the arrows that you are shooting through your 22 inch draw bow? On spine, if you spine a shaft 60 pounds at 33 inches, how much could you reduce this shafts length before it changes the original spine? Thanks!
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
It depends a bit. I have have killed critters with arrows ranging from 27 inches on out to about 35 inches. My standard is about 30 inches. I prefer a longer arrow to keep the weight up a tad in the cane and longer arrows tend to be a bit more forgiving. Every time you cut the shaft the dynamic spine will get stiffer in flight so you the shorter you go, the lighter the spine you would start with as well, but all of that still varies a lot depending on bow construction, efficiency of the bow, and tip weight on the arrow
@Soviless993 жыл бұрын
maybe build up the cane - foreshaft transition with chewed sinew
@TheManOfTwistsAndTurns4 жыл бұрын
A very nice video Ryan, thanks for sharing the info! would you consider testing some mesolithic type technologies? I know you rarely (never?) use 'em but I would really enjoy seeing some blade core, microlithic stuff (maybe some european archeologically correct stuff) thanks anyways, best of luck :D
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
thanks very much. as of now it's pretty far back on the list of things to do. I don't have a lot of exposure to that style of knapping
@gavwallingford36704 жыл бұрын
Can you show me how to make a bow out of osage?? I've tried, but it breaks every time and I need to improve on flint knapping
@electronicfreak11114 жыл бұрын
How do you make a Atlatl stick umm not the throwing bit oh and do you have a discord?
@randyburleson82734 жыл бұрын
Not that you would ever want to, but, have you tried these arrows in a compound bow of say......60lbs?
@huntprimitive99184 жыл бұрын
no, it's just so far out of context it is not something that appeals to me. Plus given the spine weight and shaft material, it would be quite dangerous
@DeFrog20114 жыл бұрын
@HuntPrimitive ... the Wai-Wai in Guyana that shoots 2m length arrows (not including fore-shafts or points), sometimes scores the fores-shaft, so that it intentionally breaks off and remains in the animal while you can reclaim your undamaged arrow shaft... they will also make their wooden spear-points (coated with the Curare poison), on fore-shafts, that is 'loose' enough, so that when the arrow slams into the animal, the fore-shafts remains inside the animals, while the arrow-shaft drops as the animal leaps away.... so i'm thinking, making the fore-shafts with a slightly weaken 'neck', so that it breaks off upon impact... and hence you can reclaim your 'really good arrow shaft' without it being damaged...... and a Note for your audience.... the primitive hunters (you can call them traditional hunters or Amerindians as we say).. do not make large numbers of arrows... they normally go hunting with 3 - 5 arrows, and usually of 2-3 different arrow points.... and the bows are D-shaped - hardwood selfbow. And the arrow-shafts which are made from an inflorescence similar to that from the sugarcane plant, is 'married' with a fore-shafted barbed metal-tip point (made from 1/4 inch steel roods or narrow broadheads made from 5-inch nails), whereby that tip is connected to the arrow-shaft by a 3-5m length of monofilament line for shooting fish or river turtles.... the point remains embedded, while the line unravels and the arrow-shaft floats on the water surface and acts as a buoy ... thus you can retrieve both arrow and fish....... interesting to see modern bow-fishing with the spinning reels attached to the bow...smile
@briargoatkilla4 жыл бұрын
Shakin' the foundation. The 4 thumbs downers drank the "adult arrow" kool-aid.
@WaschyNumber13 жыл бұрын
I think some people don't understand, than the sharpness of the tips do much work and not only force and power, how much someone need to cut meat with a dull blade knife and with a sharp blade. 🙄😏 I'm not a hunter but it's logical or not 🤔
@CanYouHearTheWhistling4 жыл бұрын
Hi can you make a bow with lemon wood
@EgbertMims4 жыл бұрын
Are you asking is it possible or will he take a commission?
@stephenellis84723 жыл бұрын
Bickerstaffe bows in the UK use lemonwood as the central lamination of some of their bows. So it definitely can be instrumental in a good quality bow.
@oakridgeboy2023 Жыл бұрын
Foreshafts make no sense to me
@jacobcritchfield85454 жыл бұрын
first!!!!!!!
@justinspencer1539 Жыл бұрын
It works good, got two deer this way. Flies faster and plenty weight for killing, plus super easy to make. I hate making foreshafts even though they look cool and have got deer with them.