Forget Coding Projects: This is How You Get Hired

[@exaltitude]

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[@brandonjablasone7544]

Tips on learning internships

[@TheAnonJohn]

A: I want to do an internship B: Do you have experience? A: I want to gain experience in the internship B: Anyway here is your rejection

[@robfielding8566]

this is kind of what's behind "you don't need a degree", where even just a few days ago, the government is dropping such requirements. as soon as four year degrees were required, we created the student loan crisis; as everybody went to take out a loan for a "i have a four year degree" degree in ... anything. then bootcamps came to the rescue. with these educations being of such variable quality, leetcode tests became a thing. every mandatory filter filters out things that are NOT mandatory, even if that's not the intent. you can have a workforce that passes tests for illegal (and legal) drugs. but then you filtered out people that got a 'yes' from somebody else on the basis of their skills. there are people that just don't want to be subjected to testing for something they might do infrequently enough that it does not impact their work. but this draws in people that can rely on total abstinence as a substitute for high skill. this is why government jobs can trap you in teams of not-quite competent people. then you try to be smart and demand a four year technical degree. now, everybody has loans to pay off, and they demand too much money. the colleges are part of the problem, because they are businesses too. some people major in Bullshitology just to be a "college graduate". or you can demand leetcode tests instead of any kind of degree. one of the most famous Python programmers on earth (i know this guy) wrote a popular book, wrote the Requests library (the http library used by everyone), certifi (the certs manager), and virtualenv. he got flown out for an interview, that included a timed leetcode test. lol. wasted his time. the leetcode tests in particular, i think actually filter out experience. one of my friends who LOVES leetcode tests works for CrowdStrike, and that stack trace passed through a lot of his code. He's a very smart guy, but he's working in an area where you gotta be slow and careful.

[@my_name_is_ahad]

Because there are experienced interns waiting for the next interview, this is not the company's fault but due to the high number of applicants (Over population).

[@last.journey]

What type of experience are we talking about because if it's about learning something like a technology yeah they won't hire you else i don't know what to do at this point

[@ericknava713006]

​@@my_name_is_ahad wouldnt they want somebody new to pay them cheap instead of having someone with experience and pay them the minimum? sounds like a waste of time. Example: I'm going to start flipping burgers at BK as a starting position. 2 years later, I'm going to flip burgers at Mcdonalds as a starting position. At what point should you move on already? get the picture?

[@g43s]

Cant apply to this no experience job with at least 5 years of experience bro, what were you thinking?

[@Nico1a5]

To summarize, work on a project that requires approval by someone else, work for free, or get hired for an internship

[@exaltitude]

I’ll clarify more in the next video but often times you also need to do first two you’ve listed to land an internship

[@splittingvoid7923]

Im assuming experience from working on open source projects would also count, if so how to hunt and get enlisted for those?

[@robfielding8566]

the main problem with the internship advice is that even people with tons of experience are having trouble getting hired. experience is an indicator of age. once you get into your 50s, you will encounter different sorts of barriers. i noticed that every commercial company had an almost identical form. right after asking about your race, they had a list of "disabilities" to declare; and diabetes is on the list. they are getting on a slipperly slope to asking questions that might be illegal; but nobody wants you if you have a chronic condition.

[@robfielding8566]

and of course an "internship" does not mean that it's unpaid. it means that you make SOMEONE ELSE pay for it. my wife is a caregiver. she got certified as a CNA (certified nursing assistant) by her company. when she tried to get it BEFORE the job, they wanted her to work for free for a month. How the hell does that work? Oh yeah, your PARENTS pay for that month, or your spouse does it. this is one of the ways that older people get filtered out. Require an internship, and wow... everybody is under 22. it's kind of ugly, but that's how things work. Everybody tries to find creative ways to either get in (go in unpaid for a bit), or to gatekeep it cheaply (leetcode, internships, etc).

[@exaltitude]

@@splittingvoid7923 I shared more tips for open source for beginners in the next video. Stay tuned!

[@sunrocketz6489]

If you don't have 20 years of experience on a library published 3 months ago, you're not qualified for the junior role.

[@exaltitude]

🤣

[@lme4339]

Didn’t something like this actually happen? The creator of some framework applied for a job where experience in this framework was needed and he didn’t have enough experience since they required more years of experience than the framework existed? Could also be a developer legend, but I sometimes read that.

[@WraithCG]

​@@lme4339 It was FastAPI. It existed for like a year and a half at that time, but the required experience was at least 3 years if I remember correctly.

[@azmisudrajat]

@@lme4339 I believe that was Max Howell (the creator of brew), rejected by google

[@renzyndrome]

​@@lme4339 FastAPI haha

[@consios]

Now we have to work for free for the privilege to make money in a job lol

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

Seriouisly....the tech industry is not worth the time nowadays. Times have changed

[@XfilerD]

12 years ago I met a helicopter pilot who told me the same situation in a helicopter piloting field. The school usually gets you to 200-250 hours with all licenses and certificates, but the minimal job requirements usually are 500+ hours in a specific aircraft type. Richest students ended up hiring aircraft owners to fly along them for 200-300 more hours to log in order to get ahead and have a chance to fly for $20 an hour. The worst stories I've heard, the pilots with savings agreed to pay their first employers to work for them, just to get experience. It's supply and demand basically. The employers should just drop the salaries from 120-200k a year to 40-90k a year....oh wait, they're already doing it: by outsourcing.

[@tacipotti7289]

Dude. Why are people so crybabies? I dont know ANY pro career where companies hire you as an engineer or as a profesional coming out of school, Let alone a bootcamp. They ALWAYS Will ask you to do an intership with the possibility of getting a Job as a pro. I have been in the manufacturing and industrial field for about 8 years and i have NEVER seen a company hire someone before having to do some kind of intership in the company. If you have ZERO experience, that Is what Is expected. In the health and medical field its exactly the same thing. No hospital Will hire you as a Doctor for the first Time if you dont have any kind of intership experience. I feel like Tech students and Tech workers in general got too demanding and too crybabies in comparison to other profesionals because of the boom that the Tech industry had a couple of years ago. Those days of doing a bootcamp and getting hired 3 months in with just a bootcamp certificate but ZERO experience are gone. Thats a Bubble that had to pop at some point. And companies asking for an intership before offering a job as a profesional Is a STANDARD in MOST if not all pro careers.

[@tasenova2717]

@@tacipotti7289 comparison does rob the joy yea. I get really annoyed that everyone is hashing on tech companies, but even outside the major players, every job is like this. The easiest job I could get technically is the one at my fathers, with the I.T. Training I'll have after I graduate from C.S. because reference. However, I don't want to do that. I don't give af about the money. I didn't know that maybe one day, I would have to explain binary code, but I was trying to get into AudioDSP and have fun with my life. It is frustrating though, thinking this is the only major that has so many issues now. Every place has changed. Every decade

[@bnemel5]

Okay but it's impossible to land an internship too sooooooo​@tacipotti7289

[@TheBlackManMythLegend]

Basically launch your own company and make your own money don't wait on those people to wired you something because they are afraid that you will do something wrong while you learnt a lot and have great diploma. The people who started that IT stuff didn't have diploma it was so young yet they built everything now they want to gatekeep. Let them do that. And do your own stuff.

[@gauravtejpal8901]

Exactly. It is the most sensible out of all the paths. And it is better to fail on your own terms than to be a slave for a soulless corporation

[@TheBlackManMythLegend]

@@gauravtejpal8901 for real. f them. Let's be a competition even if it's small .. see AI is competing with search Google is panicking none of them can't be crushed. The Whatsapp guys managed to do something big with 50 guys and the guy who rejected them buy them for billions 19B. So yeah that';s the good path.

[@TheBlackManMythLegend]

I predict that the app or startup that will crush one or two current giant is currently being built by the people left at the gate. One of the reason they were hiring way too smart peopel for their company was to avoid to have those people free in the wild ready to start te next thing that might be a competition. As Peter Thiel said : Competition is for looser. Silicon Valley hate competition. Very well..

[@mrgamer-lu1im]

Yup I agree 100%

[@robfielding8566]

yeah. i am considering self-employment at this point. it blows my mind what people do with cursor; making full apps in hours.

[@r18909]

Now days, a prior internship is actually a requirement for an internship. The landscape has changed.

[@exaltitude]

Changed since when? Prior experience was necessary to land an internship when I was applying for internships in 2005.

[@mohammadalam9936]

Lol

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

Times have changed since the 1990's.....haha

[@ruschev2]

@exaltitude In 2005, if you were an expert of data structures & algos you could get hired as a college professor. Today, thats the bare minimum to pass an internship interview. To any students reading this: get your feet in the door before they start requiring fuckin masters and PhDs.

[@je.ro.me_101]

Now that's a deadlock

[@HeyArnold-pq8je]

I think the biggest thing is relationships. It not always what you know but who you know. Learn the things you need to know while building relationships with people who already have jobs in the industry and make friends with people in these companies, Show them what you are learning and let them review your code and they will try and get you a job where they work. At least that's what I did.

[@gavinlew8273]

That has never changed.

[@badmuskazeem8459]

Hello I need a tutor

[@brycehickson374]

Best way to get hired: Get hired 😂 In all seriousness, this was a great video and I appreciate your time. I was recently pushed out of a startup that I worked at for 4+ years, and I'm trying to bootstrap my own business. At the same time, I'm hedging my bets in case it doesn't work out. Trying to make sure I'll stand a chance in this tough job market. Great insight from someone who has real experience on the subject.

[@efexzium]

Me 2.

[@SaraFlara]

Every internship I see is only for recent grads or those in school so they arent even available for most

[@exaltitude]

For those not in school, you still have plenty of options; strategies 2-7

[@CodingAfterThirty]

When I was starting out, I went to local marketing agencies that also offered website services, and volunteered to work for free. That led me to build experience, and eventually they hired me as a contractor. Which allowed me to get paid while learning, and eventually led me to a full time position at another company.

[@exaltitude]

@@CodingAfterThirtythanks for sharing! That’s a great example!

[@huizylove]

​@CodingAfterThirty what is the minimum knowledge to start a job like this?

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Can’t you just enroll at a cheap college and then drop it once you get an internship?

[@wforbes87]

I feel for engineers just starting out without work experience... but just to put it out there - when I'm hiring I do take 1-2 hours a day to review candidates github code and portfolio. I have no idea how these companies manage things by having non-technical people do the hiring and only relying on some arcane algorithm-based technical interview. If someone has some decent portfolio code that solves business problems, they can speak coherently about our stack, and they show some indicators that they researched things between the 2nd and 3rd interview - they're in. Internship proves they've at least seen a scrum workflow with a team, and worked in large scale codebases. So I agree there. Thing is - over half of all dev jobs are not at tech companies... including all the dev work I've ever gotten. So an internship at Amazon is going to look alot different than our little 300 user internal business app. Solid video though, it's very interesting to hear the perspective from the other side of the fence.

[@robfielding8566]

the title of the video tells you to "dont make apps", which is probably good advice if you are so inexperienced that an internship would be better. but if you HAVE experience, having evidence that you do know how to work in big projects is necessary. i do agree though: some recruiter will have trouble running any of it. getting the toolchain setup is often just too time-consuming. I was doing KZbin videos of code-walkthrough and functionality-demo to get around that. The recruiters DO expect some stuff in github; it's just that they would be too lazy to actually read it, even if they built 100% of the time. and obviously if you are trying to GET an internship, it's kind of idiotic to look for an internship as an indicator.

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

You require 3 interviews before you hire someone.....? Times have changed since the 1990's when I was getting job offers after one interview. haha

[@wforbes87]

@@AaronBlox-h2t Yeah, sometimes 2. 1st is initial personality check with non-tech person, 2nd is technical talk to get a short list of people, 3rd is combo of soft and tech skills to decide between short list. If someone is so clearly good on 2nd interview, then 3rd is skipped. But I guess some places do like 6+ interviews... that's wild to me. How did it go in the 90s for you?

[@wforbes87]

@@robfielding8566 good points for sure. I like the idea to push inexperienced dev to start working on a project and self-learning so they don't lose time thinking they must get an internship or get trained by someone first. Idk, what do you think on that topic?

[@robfielding8566]

@@wforbes87 my kid is a Notre Dame aerospace engineering student. she did an 8 foot wind tunnel in middle school. i took her into my job as an intern when she was 14. if she could not build my code, then it was fixed until she could. the competition is terrifying. if you don't have lots and lots of side projects making things; it's hard to get noticed at all. for a few years, i did iOS apps, and got the attention of well-known rock stars. even though it was a music app; it definitely had landed me the next job i had. for a long time, that seemed to be the only way i could survive: work on huge projects and get noticed with videos of them. i am amazed by what i see people doing with Cursor right now; entire apps in a YT video. if you cannot manage that, then i would suggest getting a high security clearance. In any case, side-projects seem essential once you have some experience.

[@MrBonbatong]

Like you said at the beginning, having a real profesional who has experience in recruitment is way more valuable in terms of tips that someone who is not. Thanks for sharing!

[@bringeshchowdavarapu7872]

In my POV the path can be like: 1. Build chrome extensions or build apps 2. Contribute to open source 3. Showing 1,2 as experience to land an unpaid intern. 4. Showing 1,2,3 to get a paid intern. 5.1,2,3,4 to get an full time 😂

[@threeone6012]

If an industry uses interns that indicates your competitors are willing to work for below market or free. Looked at another way if money is important you're in the wrong field.

[@damiancalderon3146]

demand for jobs has gone up so much that people will start to pay companies to be able to work there.

[@btp85Ma13]

Thank You, this vid is absolutely true. Whoever has some type drive, and tiny bit of skills/talent in tech field, then the seven strategies, will give open a path. Thank You..

[@edilsondesouza6054]

I'm on the hunt for internships right now, and I just came across your video. Thank you for all the info.

[@exaltitude]

Glad it was helpful! Best of luck!

[@theophilus494]

@@exaltitude best of luck?😃.. i think there must have been a reason he sent this.. pun intended though.. actually great video.. you've won a subscriber..

[@munis002]

Let me rephrase the entire video in few lines 1) dont build clone projects 2) dont build projects to just showcase skills (fractal patterns using recursion, sorting visualizer etc) 3) come up with idea that an actual person needs or solves a problem and keep building it and deploy the peoject (Did i miss any thing ?)

[@Sub0x-x40]

lol thats exactly what im doing, and if my project works and it will, i will be doing the hiring...

[@munis002]

@@Sub0x-x40 ya honestly dude if we are making a fully fledged solution why not run our own business

[@serrahighsfinest]

The market is oversaturated with talent. The tech industry is now doing what the Auto-industry did during the recession in 2008-09. Id advise finding a apprenticeship in a blue collar trade job. Its not as glamorous, it also doesnt pay as much..But those jobs are always in demand..Especially stonemasons, metal workers, plumbers, Riggers, crane operators etc. This is the new normal for tech. Not saying you shouldnt pursue a job in the tech industry, but be prepared to be out of it for a long time. So its best to get skills in a multitude of industries. These CEO's and investors know they can pay less and keep the same amount of productivity with a smaller headcount. Granting them more profits..

[@eman0828]

@@serrahighsfinest Not true. There are plenty of IT jobs out there given that no company can run without IT staff to keep the business running. The tech industry is a LOT larger than just strickly software development.

[@gavinlew8273]

The market is oversaturated with money too..just that most of the money is in the top 1%.

[@shameermulji]

​@eman0828 most low to mid-level IT jobs can be outsourced

[@SuperLoLHERO]

Been there done that. Linemen work in Texas. 120 hours a week. I’m not going back to that

[@pfcwells522]

My take away from this is if you're pass the college years and looking to change carrers it going to be a uphill battle. And considering the current market place and unemployment numbers those internships are going to be super competitive. If its even a realestic option for someone with family life and full time job.

[@pratikthorat3480]

I agree with your points but the market is so competitive that even for internships people are asking experience. I was not able to get one solely because I lacked prior experience. Even Unpaid internships are tough these days.

[@exaltitude]

Yes you’re right. I’ll explain more in the next video - you’d need to do strategies 7-2 to land internships

[@pratikthorat3480]

@@exaltitude exactly! Again, I agree with those points. Showing a constant effort to dive into various technologies and deployments to cloud providers is another important skill.

[@ViniciusAlmeida-qn6fk]

Actually i just saw a JUNIOR position asking for 3+ year of experience...

[@AaronBlox-h2t]

@@ViniciusAlmeida-qn6fk What....tech is not worth the time nowadays....

[@ViniciusAlmeida-qn6fk]

​@@AaronBlox-h2t It's worth it, but the path is much harder now. I can use myself as an example: I’ve always worked as a front-end developer, and this week, someone approached me about a Node.js position. We need to put in a lot of hard work, and it's the same in every field. At least in tech, the pay is above average, and you can find some remote positions. The main problem is that a lot of people sell the idea that the tech industry is a paradise... when in truth, it's just another corporate sector.

[@bestopinion9257]

Being hired as junior is tough. Even if you apply with years of experience. I believe this is the first wave of AI replacing people in software development.

[@exaltitude]

I share a similar view 👉Will AI replace Software Engineers? Future of Tech kzbin.infoJKELBPybJ7o?feature=share

[@toluaiyenigba7320]

Fantastic video! Your insights on the value of internships and real-world experience are incredibly helpful. I’m considering expanding my online presence by creating a blog or a KZbin channel to share my journey and showcase some of the projects I completed in school. Do you think this could help me stand out to employers, or would they find this valuable?

[@musthafakamaljalil7569]

In Singapore, an intern is usually paid SGD 800 - 1200 a month. No human can survive on that for months. Especially in Singapore (most expensive city in the world)

[@gabrielp6696]

These types of videos are goldmines. Thanks !

[@exaltitude]

Glad to hear that!

[@sul-dev]

GET EXPERIENCE 1. Contribute to open source 2. Find pro-bono work 3. Freelance work (if possible) 4. Put all this work experience on CV APPLY FOR INTERNSHIPS 5. Regularly apply for internships the whole time

[@exaltitude]

Thanks for the summary!

[@franciscogerardohernandezr4788]

I have been working on a private git with system-level simulations of novel research results as kind of a portfolio. That way the examiner can potentially evaluate my knowledge for the intended positions, as well as my coding style. I believe even feedback is productive even if I do not get the position(aspiring for a postdoc).

[@CodeWithOgochukwu]

This is value packed ❤❤ To all new programmers, a reminder that you are doing your best. Don't give up now. A little more push could bring the break you so desperately need. I'm rooting for you ❤❤

[@kittensofspace75]

This might he the most impactful video I've seen lately. I'm early in my process of preparing for a job and this was very insightful for me

[@exaltitude]

Thank you so much! I’m really glad you found it helpful. Best of luck with your job preparation!

[@DarkRaviForDeath]

hey that's what I did - just get a sole proprietorship. I'm in Canada, it's free to do it under your legal name, but not if you want a trade name to operate under. I actually researched a name to make sure it wasn't already taken and use that anyway on my resume - it looks a bit more professional, and no one really cares anyway lol. Then I just list everything I've done under it as experience, including multiple of the things you mentioned here. Works like a charm actually, I've been broke grinding in my parents basement for 2.5 years now but at least I get interviews lmao would probably have a job by now if I wasn't in Canada

[@exaltitude]

Brilliant - Text book advice every step of the way! Keep pushing forward. You’ve got this 👏

[@fazilfaruqui1634]

Bro, Canada is going through an Anti Immigrant phase right now. Forget tech job, I have not been able to land ANY job in the past 9 month here 😣

[@MT-04]

But in South Africa, you need experience to get the Internships 😭😭 tech is so depressing.

[@soulnickos2245]

I've wasted my time in a 6-month internship and I was confident that I would get hired but everytime at the interview they learnt that I just made a local website that wasn't even useful for the company in the internship, I understood that was the most unlucky 6-months in my life. Now I have to find another internship in a better company maybe from a master course and hope they don't make me do the same.

[@soufianebachkata1987]

Its why junior have to be full stack engineer, because you right small project dont give you the job because you will have ni expérience. But build a Real website, go to your neighbors commerce, Ask them is they want a free website. Or go to small entreprenor and tell them that you will build their website or their solution for free. You will have in 3-4 month more experience and your portfolio will be more impressive than the one who have small project. To have a job you have to build Real things, project is just for training. When a build project its just for testing how it looks and i add it to the website or the solution i build

[@AnhQuocNguyen-jl1vi]

I don't understand your words. Project is a website or an application but you don't need to care about maintaining or deploying that's why it's just a project. What is the difference between your website you build for neighbors and a project you build to practice?

[@soufianebachkata1987]

@@AnhQuocNguyen-jl1vi i talk about small project like a dashboard or a landing page, not an entire website

[@AnhQuocNguyen-jl1vi]

@@soufianebachkata1987 oh yeah agreed. It's too small to learn something, but I think students at this time are smarter and they learn so many things from Internet before graduating. That's why finding a job is more challenging and they increase the standard of knowledge to get an intern

[@soufianebachkata1987]

@@AnhQuocNguyen-jl1vi im agreed but they can take risk, they try to build something interesting like a small solution or an app. Just waiting for a job its not the only solution to make money.

[@danulloaos]

I have several years of experience as an Agile Coach, Product Owner, Product Manager, and Scrum Master, but I'm looking to transition into a Tech Lead role or a position with greater impact in software development teams. Over the years, I've learned programming and all over the software development lifecycle. I don't think pursuing an internship is the best path for me. What do you think is the best way to demonstrate my skills and knowledge? I was considering dedicating myself to creating complete products/projects-Mobile, BE, and Web.

[@sujit_webdev]

Thank you so much for this excellent video!

[@exaltitude]

Glad you found it helpful!

[@zimcoder]

Do not build projects but strategy 7,6 & 5 are about building projects?

[@hectorcryo6768]

i think it's a yes and a no at the same time. She did stress the point of building those as a sole-proprietor business. And I would assume the key difference here is having this app as a business requires you to constantly maintain it and already apply it in real-world, whereas having a project built just as is to be laid out for presentation purposes does not convey the same feel to it as the former case (if that makes sense)

[@exaltitude]

@@hectorcryo6768 Thanks for the comment!

[@MrMeuCanal]

@@hectorcryo6768 That is the same thing as a project... this is just logic shenanigans to make a clickbaity video. All this things can be done through the guise of a project if your objective in this project is to have real-world experience and mantaining a product. Having the app as a business is just a poor excuse to say "this isn't a project" and it probably could be even worse than just making a project since the person might have different expectations, because this is now a "business" and the results are most likely going to be the same either way

[@tasenova2717]

I want to do audio dsp, and it sounds like I have to show my own source code/software skills before landing a job, but I'm also lost on even if there are internships for this niche category

[@cliffordmapesa6636]

Great video! Can't wait for tips on how to land an internship.

[@softboardgames]

Wow this is a real job search get. Thank you!

[@exaltitude]

You're welcome!

[@gamer_theegyad339]

Let gather here and build some real world problem solving projects and deploy ....Maybe we can pull out a productive feature that companies will be demanding and we are going to price it up so that it can be purchased by large companies like Facebook ect..

[@raveltammeleht6278]

in estonia they don't pay anything to interns. But thanks for the heads up. Website is a good potential, but it needs to be attractive.

[@maciejbanas2672]

Great thanks for that video! I also was suspicious towards all these "giving unfair advantage projects" videos.

[@exaltitude]

Glad it was helpful! You have good intuition :)

[@ThrowBackZone]

So internships are the new golden ticket? But how do you even land one when they all ask for experience too? 🤔

[@exaltitude]

By doing strategies 2-7

[@martinlutherkingjr.5582]

Fake it till you make it

[@kalideb-y3y]

@@martinlutherkingjr.5582 you can't fake the knowledge you have

[@pmarreck]

1) Reach out to the edge of your network (friends of friends or occasional acquaintances) 2) Talk about what interests you 3) Hope they consider you 4) Repeat with someone else Recruiters have to be one of the most useless ways to find new work IMHO

[@MR_FRIENDLY_7]

Hello I am an international Student in United States and I am on F1 visa. I am graduating this semester. I applied for lot of Internships but couldn’t get one. There are so many students like me who need guidance. And also I don’t have any prior experience in software development please make a video on how to apply for the job what should I do to get a job in United States. And Please also make a Detailed Video on Open Source. How Open Source can help fresh graduates and beginners to get a job. With no prior experience. And how to contribute to open source. Thank you so much. May God bless you. 😊

[@exaltitude]

Thanks for the great questions. Internship video is coming soon!

[@exaltitude]

I talked a little bit more about open source in part 2 video 👉Zero to AI ML Engineer: Get Hired Without Experience kzbin.info/www/bejne/f6vIh6CcmJxmeaM

[@RenMunro-i1n]

Thank you for this video, you made some interesting points. I would love a video of your advice on how to get an internship. Thanks

[@exaltitude]

Great suggestion! An internship video is coming soon!

[@pauleduard4772]

You are awesome! This was great advice.

[@exaltitude]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Rationalizer-cp3ml]

There is one FAANG tech guy but He's into scams and bullying though His name is Techlead (As a Millionaire) 😂

[@exaltitude]

lol I don’t know him personally but he claims to be a “tech lead” implying he was an individual contributor, meaning he would not have any direct experience as a hiring manager. Close but not quite!

[@kamranmammadli5850]

@@exaltitude @ALifeEngineered - Former Principal Software Manager at Amazon (18 years of experience) and conducted more than 800 interviews:) The guy is every asian parents' dream kid)))

[@exaltitude]

I believe lifeengineered is a principal software engineer, not a manager. At FAANG companies, even junior engineers fresh out of school conduct interviews. However, that doesn't necessarily mean they manage other software engineers.

[@thepianist7379]

Great content! How about research for professor at college ? Assuming no pay and no paper publishing (due to short time or limited contribution)

[@ShadrachEmemekemini]

Thanks for the awesome nfo. God bless you 💯

[@exaltitude]

My pleasure!

[@TheRightTriangle00-x2g]

This is really helpful, thank you. Can you make a video on tips to get an internship, please?🙏👀

[@exaltitude]

Coming soon!

[@huynhduong2342]

Even internship now requires experience 😅😅

[@exaltitude]

Internships required experience even when I was applying for engineering internships in 2005. Follow strategies 7-2 for better odds landing internships

[@ZeryusXD]

How to land internships esp when you're in the self taught path will be greatly appreciated

[@exaltitude]

Good question! I’ll add this to my video todo list. Big tech don’t hire interns that are not in school however they have a special program for non-students

[@eman0828]

​@@exaltitudeI work in the Defense industry with no degree for one of the largest Defense companies in the nation as a RHEL admin. Big companies do hire people without degrees.

[@exaltitude]

This question is about internships - not full time hire

[@Sub0x-x40]

@@eman0828 thats systems admin which I am noticing is a different process and expectation, probably not as hotly contested as software engineering (I am applying for both types of roles)

[@davidtindell950]

New Subscriber says "Interesting !" and "Thank You!!"

[@exaltitude]

Thanks for the sub!

[@mystupidbrain5299]

Great video. Thank you for this.

[@exaltitude]

Glad it was helpful!

[@yashvi5]

Strategies for Software Engineer Freshers 1. Internship 2. Open Source 3. Volunteer: Non profit 4. Volunteer: Buisness 5. Chrome Extensison/Website 6. Build Android App 7. Build an ios App

[@solex_great1653]

Thanks for the video, Do Freelancing count? I mean worked for clients base on contract.

[@aimperialdesign6519]

Ja wanna check my project? It's first viersion was used during the Miss Tabuk 2024. It's second version is more efficient. It's a laravel project.

[@vectoralphaSec]

You can't get an internship if you're not in school. 99% of all internships are only available to current students. And no one should ever work for free unless you're doing open-source work.

[@max_7344]

The thing is that, in my recent experience, internships are just as competitive as full-time positions. Students or recent graduates pursue internships precisely because they lack experience, but employers tend to favor candidates who already have some experience. Because of this, I haven’t been able to secure a single internship since I graduated. What are your thoughts on this?

[@exaltitude]

I shared my thoughts and strategies in this video 👉Software Engineering Internships: 7 Things They Don't Tell You kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXq1cnlpfcp7icU

[@max_7344]

@@exaltitude Okay, I'll make sure to check it out, thank you!

[@fazilfaruqui1634]

I applied for Volunteering job here in Canada, and they rejected me with you don't have "Canadian Experience" for this role 😒 Just say that you don't want to hire immigrants that is 😑

[@phoenixrising4995]

They love immigrants here, your just not an LMIA applicant who paid $50,000 to an employer to hire you. In Canada you got to "pay" your way through the backdoor so to speak. I can't believe people pay $20,000 CAD in India to come here to be a Tim Hortons worker, "yes" Tim Hortons worker. Even the UN sees this LMIA scam as modern day slavery.

[@ramsyrama]

* The speaker recommends that junior engineers start building experience by volunteering for a nonprofit organization. This is a great way to gain experience and make a real impact. * The speaker also recommends that junior engineers work on open-source projects. This is a great way to learn new skills and contribute to the community. * The speaker argues that hiring managers do not care about your GitHub projects because they are not representative of your real-world skills. Instead, hiring managers are more interested in your internships and other experiences. * The speaker recommends that junior engineers get an internship if they are looking for the best way to build experience. Internships are the gold standard when it comes to experience. * The speaker argues that coding projects are not the best way to differentiate yourself and get hired. Instead, the speaker recommends internships, volunteering, and building your own products.

[@phoenixrising4995]

Basically start your own business and don't screw with the process because they made it so condoled now is the short answer.

[@shuraimiee]

Great video maam But please a more detailed video on how to land an internship in ML roles and also how to ask for internships at startups or other companies. Thank you!!

[@exaltitude]

Another video is in the works about internships. Stay tuned!

[@passion4cleanCode]

What about situation where you've gained experience working in startup firm/company where you built web apps from beginning till the advance level (income generating point). You basically spearheaded the development process?

[@exaltitude]

What about it?

[@passion4cleanCode]

@@exaltitude Can that be taken in place of internships? Or does it have more point that an internship?

[@exaltitude]

That’s even better than internship! Any hands on experience with companies are the best experience for your resume

[@passion4cleanCode]

@@exaltitude sure... Thank you 🤝

[@tayyaba5418]

Landing an internship is actually very difficult. Please make a video on this as well. Usually, internships are for fresh graduates. Please share how to get your first internship. BTW Thank you for this video. It was beneficial.

[@jesusjimenezJAJG]

Internships are for students. It's very hard to find an internship as a recent graduate.

[@tayyaba5418]

@@jesusjimenezJAJG Really! I feel the opposite because I got 2 calls and they asked me. Are you a recent graduate cz I didn't mention it on my resume, and said we prefer recent graduates. Maybe my luck. Can you share internships for the students?

[@adazhu8064]

Agree with your points. Could you share how to create projects at production level? Most of us learn coding in the local environment. That’s no impact at all. HM only cares about the projects that have more than millions users globally or generate millions dollars revenue.

[@adazhu8064]

Another, there are no paid internships. However, companies mention that internships are not counted. That makes much harder. Could you please share how someone without a IVY school degree and AI/ML experiences land on a tech job? Do any bootcamps worth to invest to land a job? (I know many of them just want to get money for students.) thanks!

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@adazhu8064 its "from" not "for"

[@alioudiouf6805]

In Python, I prefer candidates who are able to code at PEP8 compliance level.

[@tejassharma5404]

That's how they are hiring from colleges nowadays right.. internship+PPO..please share some keys on how to get an internship and also can you do one video on SDE vs ML as a career and how to choose.. Thanks for your tips , helpful as always

[@tejassharma5404]

@@anonforever123well depends on the company ..there are companies which are known to do that and there are companies that are known to convert to full time

[@exaltitude]

I'll explain more in the next video, but basically you'd do strategies 2-7 to land internships. For ML specific roles, I have more ideas coming in the next video. Stay tuned!

[@johnnydenver-m8r]

I am a senior 10 years of working experience and I also have a hard time finding a job at the moment so yeah...

[@whatphil]

Tips on how to land internships please! Great video

[@exaltitude]

Gotcha! Stay tuned!

[@solovalentino7124]

Unable to obtain an internship due to being out of school.

[@joelaurito1742]

Thanks for making this video! I have a question about internships. Do you know of any that aren't limited to undergraduates? Most listings I've found require candidates to currently be in school and close to graduating.

[@DiscipleofYah777]

I have a question. I haven’t been able to find a job in 2yrs now. I have 10 years experience as a front end developer and full stack for 7. Should I give up looking because of the gap?

[@exaltitude]

Do Resume Gaps Matter? kzbin.infopaeBoiUFFso?feature=share

[@mako_hd]

How do I volunteer for a local business? Do I just randomly email them?

[@shameermulji]

Very informative video. I'm 51, looking at a career change into computer science. I'm looking into starting a CS degree at state university. In your experience, would my age work against me?

[@exaltitude]

Congratulations! I’ve noticed that as I’m turning 40, I don’t have the same stamina for coding or learning as I did in my 20s, so I can understand how that might feel challenging. But if you’re determined and passionate, there’s no reason you can’t switch careers. Wishing you the best of luck!

[@shameermulji]

@@exaltitude much appreciated

[@touseefshamim4229]

Yess yess guidance for internship..and ml bonus strategies plzz And the one person I trust to follow to land a job as an ml engineer is uh Rest seems bs to me so guide me and someday we will meet 😂😊

[@exaltitude]

Coming soon - Stay tuned!

[@Sub0x-x40]

the only way to get an interneship is via your college, so if your self taught your out of luck

[@salilphadnis4147]

Right, but then how do you go about getting hired for internships ? With coding projects?

[@exaltitude]

I discussed internships in this video; Software Engineering Internships: 7 Things They Don't Tell You kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXq1cnlpfcp7icU

[@shattereddnb3268]

Here in Sweden volonteering or doing unpaid internships is illegal if it´s not a part of an education

[@exaltitude]

That’s interesting! Is tuition free? Otherwise you are paying tuition to do internships for free?!

[@shattereddnb3268]

@@exaltitude Yes, education is generally free in Sweden, with some exceptions. The quality is generally a joke though, so maybe paying for a proper education would be a better option

[@MegaUrsawarrior]

Hi Jean. Love your inputs I would like to know if i can land an internship even after starting as a non tech( i became a teacher). I have always loved coding though but i now want to land a job in tech. Pls help.

[@exaltitude]

Thanks for the question. Internship video is coming soon!

[@MegaUrsawarrior]

@@exaltitude thank you so much for replying. I am looking forward to it.

[@huizylove]

I hear people going to boot camps and getting into tech but I can tell you after this economy is changed. I have projects, a Junior in UNI, and job experience but after going to a job fair at my school I noticed that the companies got more strict about requirements that even people in the career are reconsidering their path.

[@sammarayash-j2n]

what do you advice someone do learned by himself HTML/CSS/J.scrtipt/React/Bootstrap and wanna do career shit ... to be front-end developer?

[@exaltitude]

What's your question?

[@jaewonshin3761]

I have over 3 years of experience as a software engineer, but I took a 2-year break due to a personal issue and had to leave my previous company. Now, I'm actively looking for a job. My question is, do companies typically hire interns who already have work experience or have already graduated? In my situation, would contributing to open source be the best option?

[@exaltitude]

Watch this video for internship tips Software Engineering Internships: 7 Things They Don't Tell You kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXq1cnlpfcp7icU

[@justindjeumene1156]

And people switching jobs? What is the best strategy?

[@exaltitude]

Strategies for building experience is the same but depends on the roles. Switching from what to what??

[@justindjeumene1156]

@@exaltitude Switching from Team Lead, software engineering in the government to Senior Software Engineer in the private sector!

[@exaltitude]

Same principles apply in that case. I'd recommend strategies 2-7 (since you won't qualify for internships)

[@abdellahabnoune6774]

Please some tips on landing an internship even tho its hard, I'm trying for a while now THANK YOU SO MUCH

[@exaltitude]

Thanks for the request. stay tuned!

[@abdellahabnoune6774]

@@exaltitude Thank you so much. Can't wait

[@hermoine1703]

Question is: how to get an internship as a fresher?

[@exaltitude]

A video on internships is coming! Stay tuned!

[@domodopo]

*IF THEY DON'T HIRE ME, IT'S THERE LOSS.*

[@herbertgandia3136]

How do managers feel about an older 40+ intern?

[@exaltitude]

I personally don’t care about the age as long as you can do the job. Plus how would they know you’re in your 40s? It’s illegal to ask about age in the US

[@phoenixrising4995]

@@exaltitude They have ways of checking this, don't put when you graduated high school on a chronological resume, because they know what age you would have been when you graduated. Its insane, most places don't want to hire you before 25 and not after 40.

[@sadammohamed-r8p]

Could share the tips on landing internships?.

[@exaltitude]

Coming soon!

[@NA-Zerosteel]

Wait, but shouldn't accessibility give more points the less accessible it is

[@tjahjadi659]

thank you jean!

[@exaltitude]

Welcome!

[@Pdfnaega]

does mern stack have any future like 10-20 years?

[@Rayw.7947]

I have a question. I'm a freshman at ASU, majoring in software engineering. I've noticed that the software engineering programs at my school are a bit behind the times. I keep asking my teachers about where the machine learning classes are. I'm thinking about switching my major to the business side of software programming. Even though I really want to complete the software engineering major, I'm worried that the job market in that field might end up being mostly contracted out. I am currently considering whether to pursue an internship to further my understanding of the software engineering field and gain practical experience, or to dedicate my efforts to learning machine learning with the goal of enhancing my prospects in that area. I am seeking guidance on the best course of action from this point forward?

[@exaltitude]

This is a long question. I answer all questions from the audience during my free live events. I can provide a more comprehensive answer if you ask during the event. www.linkedin.com/events/softwareengineeringcareersinthe7220148027842289664/comments/

[@phoenixrising4995]

AI will take your job aka. Anonymous Indians as I call them. It started with the call centers and its working its way up.

[@Rayw.7947]

@@phoenixrising4995 - I know about that game! I worked in data Centers for 3 1/2 years. They all stick together and hire each other. If an issue pops- up they keep it to themselves. Tell the problem is solved. And if you're asking questions and want to know information. They wont tell you mostly, because they think you're after their job, and information is power! And I found and video on lying about having job experience and they don't. They just practice 10 hours a day on the software tell then know really well.

[@aaditstudent]

Does this apply for Data Scientist roles?

[@m7mo0o]

What if a project has real requiring users? Like a b2b SaaS that generates few hundred dollars a month?

[@exaltitude]

Not bad at all! I'd consider calculating the annual income to give it an even bigger impact.

[@apexherbert]

Quick question: I recently did a project on computer vision and I wanted to deploy it however, it seemed the package had an issue and It can only run locally since the class i used had to determine the screen size. Is it advisable to use demos to show how the project runs locally without having to deploy it? So as to show in case recruiters get to view your github repo?

[@exaltitude]

That’s exactly why it’s important to work on production code. Can you figure out a way to dynamically determine the screen size? that would be more impressive

[@apexherbert]

@@exaltitude Alright I will check it out

[@xlovechild]

Is the internship route an option for people who are not recent grads?

[@idk_kev]

was totally with you right up to the end, when I realized engineers will always need product managers for maximum value. everyone knows that internships are a scarce commodity (more competitive) + seasonal if you were to cut the video right before that, every other recommendation and rating was perfect tho

[@mahnoordurranikhan]

please do make a video on remote internships to from pakistan ....how to win them

[@boopscoop3613]

Wow, so happy to finally hear the TRUTH about coding projects!! I am about to make a website for my company! I am happy to hear I'm on the right path. :)

[@exaltitude]

Fantastic! You’ve got this!

[@cant_sleeeep]

this woman is smart

[@cant_sleeeep]

she's a woman's woman

[@mmj-video-logs]

Do you oppose FOSS projects?

[@exaltitude]

I don't have a strong opinion on it.