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" FORGING IN CLOSED DIES " 1955 DROP FORGING ASSOCIATION PROMO FILM STEEL 99784

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This color educational/training film is about forging. Copyright 1955, directed by Dermid Mclean and made by Paul Hance Productions.
Titles: Forging in Closed Dies (:07-:58) was made by the Drop Forging Association. In a log cabin, a man makes a horseshoe on an anvil. The man is forging which is to make or shape (a metal object) by heating it in a fire or furnace and beating or hammering it. Billets of steel are brought to forging heat in a furnace. A man uses a modern machine to forge. The machine beats down the metal (:59-2:43). A man hits hot metal on an anvil. A machine slams down on metal and it emits a huge fire. A woman gets into a car. They show a Studebaker car without it's side and roof. The cylinder block is shown. Fan blades. Gears move. Differential gears. A chassis. Parts of the car move, these parts needed forging originally. A connecting rod. The die in which the rod is made is shown. A forging drop hammer is where the rod will be made. Steel is heated in a furnace. The hammer drop down onto the molten piece (2:44-6:22). The finished connecting rod. The structure is shown. A forging drop hammer machine with a worker next to it. The machine is shown working as it drops. The hammer keeps drooping. The air lift type machine (6:23-8:34). A steam drop hammer machine is shown and explained. The men place metal inside of it. Steam assists. Steam hammer keep dropping. The hammerman uses different dies for forging a piece. Multiple dies are shown and what they do to the metal. What each side of the dies does is explained in detail. A connecting rod through various stages is shown (8:35-11:22). A forging machine or upsetter. Men work with the upsetter machine. Finished forging is shown. A wood model shows how a header works - a three cast die. Inserting a bar into the die cavity is shown with a wood piece and a model to explain. Grain structure is shown and explained. Another means of forging is a mechanical press. Men work with this machine. Press smashes metal down to a flat impression (11:23-15:02). A hydraulic press machine. Aluminum is being made for a jet engine and this machine helped assist. Metal is on fire in the machine. Forging roll machine. Partly finished forgings are being placed in the machine. Smith forging is used sometimes, this is shown and explained. A trip hammer. Hammer machine slams down (15:03-17:42). Die blocks. A die block being made and explained. A man outlines the die impression A machine cuts into the die. Completed forging dies are installed into the hammer machine. High grade steel is required. Chemical analysis, physical properties, microscopic analysis. Steel pieces are cut and sheared. Forging multiples. Tiny pieces of steel (17:43-20:18). A ton of steel is moved by a crane. Multiples from which forging is made. PIeces of finished steel. Automobile crankshaft forging. Crankshaft forging unit. They make the crankshaft in the machine. Fiery finishing blows to the metal (20:19-22:25). Finished crankshafts. Dental tools. Forceps start as a bar of alloy stainless steel. A man forges in a machine. A billet of special alloy steel is carried by a machine to a forging machine. The hammer slams down on the machine and smoke and flame shoot out (22:26-25:07). Modern turbojet engine. A block of steel is being moved to a forging machine to be smashed down to its proper form. The wheel forging is moved. Blades for the engine are being finished forged. The blades in a finished wheel. Men walk towards a military jet, a Grumman F9F Panther. The pilot gets into the plane. The plane flies through the air (25:08-27:37). End credits (27:38-27:49).
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@TheLocoUnion
@TheLocoUnion Жыл бұрын
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@kibibu
@kibibu 3 жыл бұрын
Old documentaries are 100 % better than modern ones
@TheTrueNorth11
@TheTrueNorth11 2 жыл бұрын
By a HUGE margin.
@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894
@ermelindowenceslauqueiroz8894 2 жыл бұрын
By a Moon distance.
@mbox314
@mbox314 2 жыл бұрын
I feel the people who made documentaries in the old days had a genuine appreciation for the subject they were documenting where that is less often true today.
@AlexanderMason1
@AlexanderMason1 2 жыл бұрын
Spoken like a truly ignorant person…
@jeffmclean9411
@jeffmclean9411 2 жыл бұрын
100 %
@macca8562
@macca8562 11 ай бұрын
Having been a stamper for over 30 years, iron smoshers as we were known, you would be surprised how skilful the job really is, from the setting of the dies to forging at the correct temperature, very very hard work, but i loved every minute of it.
@johnlynch8174
@johnlynch8174 3 ай бұрын
how long does a set of dies last?
@nadronnocojr
@nadronnocojr 2 жыл бұрын
Students across the world should be so lucky to se these …. Real film. Real work. Real people. …….
@whirledpeas3477
@whirledpeas3477 2 жыл бұрын
No comment is perfect but this is close 👌
@n3bruce
@n3bruce 2 жыл бұрын
Watching the crankshaft forging made me think of a story my dad told me that happened probably 50 years ago. He worked for a major diesel engine manufacturer from the mid 1950's to the early 1990's. He was tasked to find out why crankshafts were failing and so he visited the machine shop where they were machined to final dimensions. His first clue that something was amiss was that periodically the whole building shook while taking rough cuts on the forgings. The cranks were machined to spec, but the loud noise of the rough cuts was a red flag. He visited the forging plant and discovered that the dies were badly worn, causing the forgings to be oversize. All that vibration on the rough cut was introducing cracks into machined parts.
@Booruvcheek
@Booruvcheek 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, these dies must cost a fortune to replace..
@whistlinginthewind4141
@whistlinginthewind4141 4 жыл бұрын
Running a 2500 pound hammer at Crescent Tool for two years convinced me I needed to go to college.
@BrassLock
@BrassLock 4 жыл бұрын
@Whistling in The Wind : An adjustable wrench was often referred to as a *Crescent Spanner* in Australia during the 1950's.
@bruno640
@bruno640 4 жыл бұрын
And then went back to that-same company as a mechanical engineer, maybe? ☺
@dadillen5902
@dadillen5902 4 жыл бұрын
Amazing how education hard work can be.😯😉
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
hahaha big hammers get real rough real quick don't they hehe
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
And dav wasn't crescent a brand name like allen? Always thought it was anyway
@OldCanadianguy953
@OldCanadianguy953 7 ай бұрын
So much more interesting than today's rubbish! I imagine part of this work was financed by hearing aid manufacturers.
@karaDee2363
@karaDee2363 2 жыл бұрын
My grandfather worked for a drop forging company in the US from the time he got off the boat from Sweden in 1903 until the day he retired, he was in charge of the surgical tool department
@bryannonya9769
@bryannonya9769 2 жыл бұрын
Immigrants always taking jobs!!!
@danorthsidemang3834
@danorthsidemang3834 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryannonya9769 THEY TEWK ER JERBS!
@tallswede80
@tallswede80 2 жыл бұрын
@@danorthsidemang3834 The jobs did not exist. Swedes created these industries from nothing. No welfare, no government benefits of any kind.
@abundantYOUniverse
@abundantYOUniverse 2 жыл бұрын
@@danorthsidemang3834 LOL so true!
@abundantYOUniverse
@abundantYOUniverse 2 жыл бұрын
@@bryannonya9769 Trolls taking oxygen real humans could use.
@babyhominid7779
@babyhominid7779 2 жыл бұрын
God bless the hard-working generations before us. The modern world is something we take for granted.
@BrassLock
@BrassLock 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to have this topic digitally preserved from the 1950's. It's a very rare in-depth discussion of Drop Forging, which is not usually shown or narrated in such detail elsewhere on You Tube. Present day discussions on You Tube seem to favour CNC carvings from a single billet of aluminium alloy, but according to this video, the grain structure wouldn't be as strong. Be interesting to compare foundry-casting grain structures to drop-forged grain structures. Well done Periscope Films!
@gregtaylor6146
@gregtaylor6146 4 жыл бұрын
cast is no where near as strong as forged.
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
Cast and then machined will Never never never meet the grain structure benefits of forged. Hence wrought iron bar stock is usually four to seven times more expensive than an ingot of cast iron.
@mfk12340
@mfk12340 4 жыл бұрын
If you ever go to the hardware store and get a bolt, you may notice the neck of the bolt is skinnier than the portion with threads. This is because they roll the b and blank between two concentric dies and form the thread and the material is upsetted. Thus they have a higher grade and are stronger.
@farmerboy916
@farmerboy916 4 жыл бұрын
@@joshschneider9766 I... what? It's because they're completely different materials. And do you even mean wrought iron, or modern mild steel? The grain structure of forged items is... overstated. There's also some confusions given that grain can mean at least two entirely different things (both of which forging can impact in certain materials in different ways) when it comes to steel, and cast iron is effectively an entirely different ferrous alloy than any of the others. There's also ductile cast steel, nowadays. So you have grain as in the granular structure of the internal crystals, where size is primarily what matters (which can be increased [bad] by getting it too hot or for too long, or decreased [good] through forging to an extent but primarily by annealing and normalizing [types of heat treatment]); this is the type of grain that matters a lot, and it comes pre-treated from the steel mill. And then you have grain as in a wood grain, a grain (mostly theoretical) running down the piece conforming to how it's been worked; given that all barstock is forged in its creation (really it's poured directly into a rolling mill, where it's forged) it already has a grain. The only time I've even heard of this being a problem is in mostly apocryphal stories about a person laying out a part very stupidly and subjecting it to multiple stressors and then blaming the failure on the grain going the wrong way. This is the type of thing that is being referred to by the "grain structure" of forged items conforming to their shape properly. In reality drop forged steel items could be made very strongly and with very complex shapes quite easily compared to anything else for a long time, reinforcing them while being somewhat lighter. There's a whole series of intertwining myths that have to do with this, which probably arose naturally as people tried to explain what metallurgists today know the reasons for. Cast iron is weak due to its high carbon content (too high, making it brittle) and often quite large grain (crystalline structure) which allows for easy cracking. It's however not really comparable to other cast materials, or analagous to normal steel/ iron because it is materially different. It's all old terminology problems.
@jacobbuxton932
@jacobbuxton932 2 жыл бұрын
So we’ll said! And I’m so happy you pointed out how KZbin videos now favor CNC work of billet aluminum. Nothing like forged steel
@carl112466
@carl112466 2 жыл бұрын
Everytime I watch these old videos I realize just how many of our jobs are lost because our politicians let so many companies move over seas. Our politicians have made themselves rich as the rest of us are jobless or service jobs.
@YaMomsOyster
@YaMomsOyster 2 жыл бұрын
100% we are losing a lot of skill sets in the West and giving them to “developing countries” there are still some niche industries around thou, but it won’t be long before they are gone. They want us to be nothing more than consumers, not builders. Equity for the Earth.
@charlieromeo7663
@charlieromeo7663 2 жыл бұрын
I’d wager that decisions to manufacture overseas are made in boardrooms guided by CFOs and shareholders more than politician weenies.
@killemtoenjoythesilence
@killemtoenjoythesilence 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlieromeo7663 the point is the political weenies make the policy that creates a situation where it's more profitable to move over seas. While you're right about the decisions being made in board rooms, it's the political policies that prompt those decisions.
@rgbrown90
@rgbrown90 2 жыл бұрын
the executives put a gun in their mouth and asked if they wanted to get paid or get buried
@egSmith-sp9gl
@egSmith-sp9gl 2 жыл бұрын
We are a long way past peak civilization already !
@stanervin6108
@stanervin6108 4 жыл бұрын
Real work. Real men.
@charlesballiet7074
@charlesballiet7074 4 жыл бұрын
working in real associations and earning real wages, but not anymore. the Shareholders demand more, more, more!
@TheDing1701
@TheDing1701 2 жыл бұрын
@@charlesballiet7074 "Trickle-down" my ass! You give corporations huge tax cuts, they don't share that profit with the workers. Never have. Never will.
@davidzamora4423
@davidzamora4423 4 жыл бұрын
Worked for Alcoa Aluminum for 16 years. Forging 10,000 ton hydraulic presse was little hot during the summer time.
@saxongreen78
@saxongreen78 4 жыл бұрын
Metal is so beautiful...this film made my day!
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm 4 жыл бұрын
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@delbroncarter5121
@delbroncarter5121 3 жыл бұрын
U.S Forge 105 Clark St Detroit Michigan. "Through These Doors Work The Best Damn Forge Workers In The. World!!! 1978.
@goognamgoognw6637
@goognamgoognw6637 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, just wow. This video is a masterpiece jewel of metallurgy. I giggled in amazement, and the men working in these forges i consider their work as difficult and dangerous as soldiers in battle. But that hammer of God. 60 tons + steam pressure. I've actually been in a car factory with a smaller drop forge hammer and when that thing falls no matter how far you are from it, you humble and tone your thought down instantly in respect of how powerful matter can be.
@Jonathan.D
@Jonathan.D 2 жыл бұрын
That hit will startle you the first time. People forget how important these machines are. When Germany fell in WWII the Americans were amazed at the size of the huge forges the Germans used. They liked them so much that they took several of them as reparations. One weighed 16 million pounds and produced 50,000 tons of force. The Russians took the best forges Germany had. The Mesta forge is really cool and has a heck of a storied history.
@johnconnelly4053
@johnconnelly4053 2 жыл бұрын
V 0
@davidhouser5759
@davidhouser5759 Жыл бұрын
@@johnconnelly4053 movies
@megadeuz6148
@megadeuz6148 2 жыл бұрын
These films reminds me of my school days.
@medicbabe2ID
@medicbabe2ID 2 жыл бұрын
When you came in from recess and the film projector was set up! Bonus if the reel was a huge one! Today's kids will never understand 😂
@marcbach5880
@marcbach5880 4 жыл бұрын
Tough people used to do this kind of work. Very tough people.
@michaelbrocato7535
@michaelbrocato7535 2 жыл бұрын
We still do this today in Texas for butt weld flanges
@arthursmith5409
@arthursmith5409 3 жыл бұрын
If this would have been introduced to me as youngster, life would be incredible now, no doubt.
@lineshaftrestorations7903
@lineshaftrestorations7903 2 жыл бұрын
Sad that a lot of heavy industrial work like this has disappeared in America.
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749
@coreyandnathanielchartier3749 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a mechanic for 50 years, and I found this especially fascinating, seeing how these parts are formed. I have seen some old films on metal stamping for fenders and car bodies. I also have to wonder how these rugged men could work in these conditions for years on end. I imagine there were a lot of injuries on the job. Dust, sparks, noise, debris everywhere, and that big hammer inches away from your limbs. Imagine your first day on the job........
@phantomtech287
@phantomtech287 Жыл бұрын
Old are always not gold they are diamonds 💯💯💯💯💯
@andylindsaytunes
@andylindsaytunes 4 жыл бұрын
"Forging In Closed Dies". That's so sad. It had so much to live for.
@matthewb8229
@matthewb8229 4 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there.
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
When old shiny forged his last there he was seen to drop. Did he die one onlooker asked after the furious strike? No, another said as shiny rose again.
@WAL_DC-6B
@WAL_DC-6B 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful color shots at about 3:42 of what appears to be a 1953 Studebaker Starliner coupe. The U.S. Navy jet fighter seen at the end is a Grumman F9F-6 Cougar (swept wing version of the straight wing Panther). Hey, note the guys working the forges, and for that matter the blacksmith, seemingly not wearing hearing protection. If that was the case, bet in a few years of this kind of work they found themselves saying, "could you repeat that please?" As they say, "Hear today, gone tomorrow."
@christopherconard2831
@christopherconard2831 4 жыл бұрын
As someone with severe tinnitus I cringe when I see stuff like that.
@Daledavispratt
@Daledavispratt 4 жыл бұрын
I'll bet a lot of them were happy about it because much of what people say isn't worth listening to anyway...
@dadillen5902
@dadillen5902 4 жыл бұрын
Personally, I believe the 1953 Starliner was one of the best styled car ever built. The design was use, with minor changers, until 1964. Take away the chrome, change the headlights and taillights and it would still look stylish today.
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
Hence modern osha standards. Foundry and forge workers today all wear huge levels of personal protection which includes ear muffs and such.
4 жыл бұрын
@@christopherconard2831 I've done commercial steel for most of my life and suffer also. Have you ever seen some of the natural remedies on YT? There's one that involves covering the ears and tapping on the skill base, for some reason it actually works, even if only for a few hrs. I do it a lot on the weekends when i'm concentrating on something like a crossword and the ringing starts to drive me mad. Who'd have thought silence could be so loud? LOL
@mackchannel6348
@mackchannel6348 2 жыл бұрын
I've been showing these to my son so he knows what real work looks like.
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Periscope! Those steam hammers were something else! Thanks again!
@thorshammer8033
@thorshammer8033 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, ran a dropforge back in 94 to 97 when I was an apprentice. Hard work but the power was addictive.
@MichaelKingsfordGray
@MichaelKingsfordGray 2 жыл бұрын
Liar!
@BlueHaze7024
@BlueHaze7024 2 жыл бұрын
Lifespans were shorter years ago and this video illustrates a reason why. Those old videos showing production line workers spray painting cars without respirators are also an eye opener.
@barneymiller6204
@barneymiller6204 2 жыл бұрын
I can imagine those men had very little hearing left after a career of working a forge.
@david9783
@david9783 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, hearing loss, and just think of their lungs. That atmosphere is awful.
@authalic
@authalic Жыл бұрын
I was thinking this, too. I didn't notice one of them wearing any kind of hearing protection. I'd have a headache for a week.
@carlgrimsley7019
@carlgrimsley7019 Жыл бұрын
When I was an apprentice, at college, in the late lesson sometimes we enjoyed a film like this. I really enjoyed and learned a lot from them
@transman11
@transman11 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. That was excellent. I have been a mechanic for 35 years and had not seen a crank forges. My Uncle was a tool and die maker and told me about theses machines as I grew up. now I understand a lot more.
@jimc4731
@jimc4731 2 жыл бұрын
In 1960 I had a Crankshaft CO. Forged crankshaft with counterweights on all throws for my 283 Chevy drag racer. It was a beautiful thing and expensive! JIM 🤔
@rosewhite---
@rosewhite--- Жыл бұрын
Ageless classic styling of Studebaker Hawk!
@leen3158
@leen3158 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the day when things were meant to LAST and be refurbished for further life, instead of sent to the lanfill and simply replaced.
@watchman0311
@watchman0311 3 жыл бұрын
Like the connecting rod in your vehicle , or like the dies themselves?
@jackmclane1826
@jackmclane1826 3 жыл бұрын
Long lasting and repairing stuff is bad for stock prices... selling you new stuff is good for stock prices! ;)
@ChrisWMF
@ChrisWMF 2 жыл бұрын
They still make stuff like that
@TheDing1701
@TheDing1701 2 жыл бұрын
There's no money in quality. Or worker safety or retention. That's the core tenet of corporate capitalism and greed.
@JDAbelRN
@JDAbelRN 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheDing1701 take it to communist cina, bub, see what they say.😅🤣😂
@spaceranger3728
@spaceranger3728 2 жыл бұрын
When I used to work in the space patch, one of the materials guys I knew told me of gigantic forges that were brought to the US from Germany after WWII that are used to make outsized aircraft forgings.
@byronking9573
@byronking9573 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, those machines were nicknamed "iron giants." In 1920s/30s, under Treaty of Versailles, Germany was prohibited from manufacturing certain military items, esp involving armor steel. So German engineers focused on using other materials like magnesium and high grades of then-novel aluminum. They developed forming techniques involving high-power stamping and presses. When WWII began, shot-down German aircraft were recovered and analyzed by US/English/Russian intel people, and they found all manner of "forged" articles, with novel metallurgy and high strength/performance. When war ended, there was as much of a race to recover German stamping & forging machines as for the rocket scientists. USSR Red Army captured some of the largest presses in Eastern Germany (and Silesia, which became part of Poland), which were sent back to Russia as trophies. And US/UK also recovered trophy presses in the Western regions of Germany, some of which remained in country, and some were returned to US/UK. This led to quite a bit of R&D in USA in 1940s/50s, leading to some of the largest systems such as Alcoa press in Cleveland, and several others around the country. Heavy press forging was considered a critical technology for industrial advancement and military production. It still is critical to any advanced economy (ask the Chinese), although most US policymakers are totally clueless about such things these days.
@simo20288
@simo20288 3 жыл бұрын
We say thanks to them who create this things
@JDAbelRN
@JDAbelRN 2 жыл бұрын
Very humbling to see men work in the mouth of Hell with the tools of the Devil, while I tap on a keyboard 🙄
@SammyM00782
@SammyM00782 3 ай бұрын
That is one sexy cutaway of a whole car.
@waltkeyes57
@waltkeyes57 2 ай бұрын
I loved the narrator's comment along the lines of 'removing the attractive shell from the automibile shows the quality inside' (or thereabouts). I' m sure that was a double entendre. Woof.
@keithschneidly3922
@keithschneidly3922 2 жыл бұрын
One of my first jobs was in a die shop making forging die blanks and repairing dies. There were about 8 forging hammers there. Only one of them was a board hammer.
@flybobbie1449
@flybobbie1449 4 жыл бұрын
Company i worked for in the 70-80's, EPAG developed a closed forging system. A fixed weight of material was forged with no flash almost to finished surface finish. All went way of the the DoDo in the early nineties few years after i left. Lack of investment in British industry. My boss made me redundant and said take our ideas to America and show them there how to do it and make a few bob. I never did. What if? Wasted knowledge and experience.
@flybobbie1449
@flybobbie1449 4 жыл бұрын
13.59 we could have made a tool to make that forging in one operation close to finish tolerance. Zero to plus five thousand of a inch.
@flybobbie1449
@flybobbie1449 4 жыл бұрын
A lot of forgings would have up to 1/8 inch extra material around their circumference.
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
Forging like that is sorta done in conjunction with cbc machining processes sometimes. Saturate the grain structure where you want it with one or maybe two forming strikes then machine to finished. Best of both worlds application for stuff like rocket parts and so forth.
@offcenterforge1098
@offcenterforge1098 2 ай бұрын
Thank you, I really enjoyed this.
@peterlindop4491
@peterlindop4491 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative and well filmed with excellent narrative.
@komoru
@komoru 2 жыл бұрын
7:26 "Until the HAMMER MAN releases them for the next blow" --sound like words that came from the hammer man himself, Mr. "M.C. Hammer"
@sblack48
@sblack48 2 жыл бұрын
Damn those men bad hard working lives
@ArieteArmsRAMLITE
@ArieteArmsRAMLITE 2 жыл бұрын
Best movie I've ever seen.
@1962mrmongoman
@1962mrmongoman 2 жыл бұрын
thats what made this world. Hard working people.
@NoTengoIdeaGuey
@NoTengoIdeaGuey Жыл бұрын
Watching these videos you can definitely see why labor unions in American industry were a thing. We need to bring them back in a big way.
@burroaks7
@burroaks7 3 жыл бұрын
And For The Contributions They Make, Not Only To Our Standards Of Living But To Our Very Safety As A Nation.
@flaplaya
@flaplaya 2 жыл бұрын
I love PeriscopeFilm
@gilvogt4440
@gilvogt4440 4 жыл бұрын
Had a job in Jersey years ago working shoveling the years of lubricant from beneath a behemoth drop hammer.....The hammer sat on a 20ft.×20ft. concrete base that was 8ft thick, the whole thing sat on giant springs mounted to a lower level floor.....that's where the 3 foot deep sludge accumulated.....hard work even without the thought of all that weight above my head sitting on some springs.....
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
In case no one ever said it. Thank you. That's a hardcore job as greasy as it is needed.
4 жыл бұрын
Abandoned North Jersey YT has probably been there too.
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 4 жыл бұрын
@ maybe. Fair few drop forging plants in Jersey have been repurposed over the decades.
@TheDing1701
@TheDing1701 2 жыл бұрын
Eeek.
@JDAbelRN
@JDAbelRN 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshschneider9766 can you what kind of repurposing has been done to these plants?
@manhoot
@manhoot 4 жыл бұрын
I " forged" new respect for metal after watching this
@TheDing1701
@TheDing1701 2 жыл бұрын
Good lord. LOL!
@2lefThumbs
@2lefThumbs 2 жыл бұрын
Great find, thanks 👍👍
@cameronmccreary4758
@cameronmccreary4758 2 жыл бұрын
I made reproduction firearm parts for the old German pistols and aerospace parts in the early part of my life and made forging dies for many of the parts just so I could get the flow of the metal correct. Then I would machine the parts. I always had strong parts that rarely broke.
@abundantYOUniverse
@abundantYOUniverse 2 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you a question? How would you go about making a U bracket out of 304 stainless 1/8" sheet? Is that a hydraulic press pressing into a steel form? Thanks for any info in advance!
@rre9121
@rre9121 4 жыл бұрын
22:25 absolutely majestic
@ThePaulv12
@ThePaulv12 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that - very much in fact!
@Tadesan
@Tadesan 2 жыл бұрын
A good blacksmith doesn’t strike his anvil unnecessarily.
@duanesamuelson2256
@duanesamuelson2256 2 жыл бұрын
Tapping the anvil is extremely common between actual material strikes. I've talked with some smith's who unless it's brought to their attention don't even realize when they do it. Most commonly it's used to maintain the rhythm and momentum of the actual "forging " strokes. And btw it's a light tapping not a strike on the anvil. It most definitely does not hurt the anvil.
@meat-eatingvegan6597
@meat-eatingvegan6597 4 жыл бұрын
I forged a check I forged a knife Forged a friendship And forged my life Steel's cherry red Won't be mislead So till I'm dead I'll forge ahead.
@meat-eatingvegan6597
@meat-eatingvegan6597 4 жыл бұрын
@ Made it up based on different uses of "forge."
@garbo3682
@garbo3682 2 жыл бұрын
Your a funny guy !!
@colinc5685
@colinc5685 4 жыл бұрын
My father was a drop forger in the 50s and 60s in the UK. By the time he was 40 his lungs were knackered and he had to find unskilled work somewhere else - no mention of compensation or redundancy etc. Needless to say I became a Labour voter as soon as I came of age.
@Halinspark
@Halinspark 2 жыл бұрын
I wish old educational films were easier to avoid. It's like a steel trap whenever I find one.
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm 2 жыл бұрын
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@billruss6704
@billruss6704 3 жыл бұрын
And it's still done the same exact way. I design and build forging dies. They are sent to R and R forge in San Bernardino CA. where the parts are forged. I plan to make a series of videos on how it's done. I made the first one showing how I ruff out the punch from a solid block of tool steel kzbin.info/www/bejne/o5bMnqZtn8uBm8k more to come. I just retired and want to record the whole process so it is not forever lost.
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 2 жыл бұрын
How much has the precision of forging improved since this was made? From time to time I've heard about flashless forgings and forged powder metal. Most connecting rods for the auto industry today are made from forged powder metal.
@duanesamuelson2256
@duanesamuelson2256 2 жыл бұрын
@Andy Harman forging hasn't improved...the precision is in the dies. What has improved is the materials being used for various items.
@-_-----
@-_----- 2 жыл бұрын
"I just retired and want to record the whole process so it is not forever lost." Awesome. Thank you so much for doing this.
@rowanmoormann9532
@rowanmoormann9532 2 жыл бұрын
The End ~ Thanks for the Great video.
@usmale4915
@usmale4915 3 жыл бұрын
What a great video! thanks for sharing!
@scratchdog2216
@scratchdog2216 4 жыл бұрын
"Quite loud in here" "WHAT?!!" "I SAID IT'S LOUD IN HERE!!" "YES!! VERY HOT!! GET ME A COLD BEER TOO!!" LOL. Hard work for sure.
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT ABOUT THE AARDVARK!?
@dubsydubs5234
@dubsydubs5234 4 жыл бұрын
Love these old promo films. 👍
@Armafly
@Armafly 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, as usual. Thanks!
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm 2 жыл бұрын
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@billsnyder7392
@billsnyder7392 3 ай бұрын
I worked in a forge shop for six years it was mercer forge in mercer Pennsylvania I was a layout man and lnspector
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm 3 ай бұрын
Do you have any hearing left?
@satanofficial3902
@satanofficial3902 4 жыл бұрын
Most fascinating.
@satanofficial3902
@satanofficial3902 4 жыл бұрын
Ever wonder how a crankshaft got its weird wiggle shape? Well, now you know.
@jakefriesenjake
@jakefriesenjake 2 жыл бұрын
This video is now forged into my brain.
@JohnMason8183
@JohnMason8183 Жыл бұрын
Would love to know more about how dies are made. Fascinating stuff.
@PoliticalGangster
@PoliticalGangster 4 жыл бұрын
Your videos are gold. Thank you so much.
@andyZ3500s
@andyZ3500s 4 жыл бұрын
Great movie about the forging process. It is a shame that they didn't spend more time on die making.
@xsmokebeersx1
@xsmokebeersx1 2 жыл бұрын
Right!? Super interested in how that process worked back then. I work in a forge as a trimmer. Everything shown here is pretty similar to the way it’s done today.
@Halinspark
@Halinspark 2 жыл бұрын
@@xsmokebeersx1 Why are the forgings bursting into flames when hammered? What's actually burning?
@xsmokebeersx1
@xsmokebeersx1 2 жыл бұрын
@@Halinspark so there’s a guy hitting the die block with a stick before the hammer man begins hammering. What he’s doing is called swabbing. Basically lubricating the die with an oil/water solution. Helps prevent the forging from sticking to the block while being hammered. Perhaps he has too much oil in the swab bucket!
@KISSMYACE3203
@KISSMYACE3203 2 жыл бұрын
@@xsmokebeersx1 I didn't see it used much here, but they also use sawdust.
@icecreamforcrowhurst
@icecreamforcrowhurst Жыл бұрын
“… flow under the blows of the hammer” Good rap lyric there.
@publicmail2
@publicmail2 4 жыл бұрын
So that's why the hammer moves up and down when not used!
@putteslaintxtbks5166
@putteslaintxtbks5166 4 жыл бұрын
And the blacksmith pounding on the anvil between blows to the metal being 👷worked?
@Mishn0
@Mishn0 4 жыл бұрын
@@putteslaintxtbks5166 habit and style
@aceroadholder2185
@aceroadholder2185 4 жыл бұрын
@@putteslaintxtbks5166 An anvil that is correctly made is 'live." That is the smith's hammer will bounce off the anvil. It helps to reduce the effort to bring the hammer up for the next blow after the smith determines where it should fall. Every little bit helps if you are doing this all day long.
@keithammleter3824
@keithammleter3824 2 жыл бұрын
In this case, yes. Not in every case. Some mechanical hammers do the same thing.
@comancherocha7013
@comancherocha7013 2 жыл бұрын
Man that was amazing
@johnmcnaught7453
@johnmcnaught7453 4 жыл бұрын
Real men with real jobs and real skills. Too bad we exported a lot of this work. We're still paying the price.
@simo20288
@simo20288 3 жыл бұрын
Also high quality
@imtoooldforthisstuff
@imtoooldforthisstuff 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the days where a job well done was more important than how much you get paid.
@AlexanderBurgers
@AlexanderBurgers 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the days when you could comfortably support a family on such a job well done.
@brosefmcman8264
@brosefmcman8264 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Obama 😩
@TheDing1701
@TheDing1701 2 жыл бұрын
@@brosefmcman8264 It started with Reagan's "trickle down" bullshit. Trickling down means the corporations make tons and tons of money through tax cuts... and then piss on the workers. You should know that by now.
@michaelault9334
@michaelault9334 2 жыл бұрын
They pay pretty well these days too. Not as much as we're worth but everyone says that.
@olegadodasguerras3795
@olegadodasguerras3795 3 жыл бұрын
Totaly amazing thxxx
@cuttwice3905
@cuttwice3905 3 ай бұрын
Ten points to the music - it is the melody of the "Anvil Chorus" from "Il Trovatore".
@62Cristoforo
@62Cristoforo 2 жыл бұрын
This kind of technology of our grandparents generation was developed out of necessity and for survival; the two great wars. I’d say this era showed how what they may have lacked in today’s advanced technological advances they made up for in brain and brawn, sheer will power to succeed and triumph over a very real existential enemy. Today we have no such threats, hence the maxim; good times create weak men, weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men, strong men create good times.
@bryannonya9769
@bryannonya9769 2 жыл бұрын
Just because your weak doesnt mean we all are, some of us can make things in any form we choose using any method we choose, so your weakness doesnt transcend to everyone. nice retweeting of an old maxim though, at least you can read.
@Neal_Schier
@Neal_Schier 3 жыл бұрын
I would imagine that these workers had serious hearing damage after one day and were close to completely deaf in a month unless they were wearing very good protection.
@boblobotomy7982
@boblobotomy7982 4 жыл бұрын
25:12 'hmmm, this engine seems to be cut open."
@wkgates
@wkgates 3 жыл бұрын
"well there's your problem"
@robin1987100
@robin1987100 2 жыл бұрын
24:35 respect for that guy
@richarddodds9326
@richarddodds9326 6 ай бұрын
I'm mechanic the best job I ever had was working in machine shop
@karlkoenig495
@karlkoenig495 2 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks!!!
@unregistereduser1088
@unregistereduser1088 2 жыл бұрын
This is why your grandpa says "WHAT?!" all the time.
@dziban303
@dziban303 Жыл бұрын
This stuff is amazing
@andyharman3022
@andyharman3022 Жыл бұрын
3:51 Studebaker Loewy coupe. Yum!
@Max-yj4sp
@Max-yj4sp 2 жыл бұрын
imagine how fast these guys lost their hearing being next to those big hammers all day
@TheDing1701
@TheDing1701 2 жыл бұрын
What?
@matthewq4b
@matthewq4b 2 жыл бұрын
Ah a Studebaker V8..probally the best V8 of the era by a large margin...
@user-uu7lv1tf7g
@user-uu7lv1tf7g 4 жыл бұрын
Сначала американцы снимали хорошие фильмы про промышленность, потом что-то затихли, тогда мы начали снимать. А щас вообще никто не снимает...
@death2pc
@death2pc 4 жыл бұрын
This looks like fun.......................
@bubblehead78
@bubblehead78 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I wish there would have been more detail on how the dies are made.
@SearTrip
@SearTrip 4 жыл бұрын
Now that was interesting.
@bangaloremusic
@bangaloremusic 2 жыл бұрын
Drop Forging: Brought to you by the ACME Hearing Aid Co.
@expatconn7242
@expatconn7242 2 жыл бұрын
That was awesome
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm 2 жыл бұрын
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@kirstenspencer3630
@kirstenspencer3630 2 жыл бұрын
The die formed connrcting rods are mostly now made using sintered metal power and realitively cold formed. Of course high end connecting rods are still made from forgings.
@Tadesan
@Tadesan 2 жыл бұрын
Race to the bottom
@smithraymond09029
@smithraymond09029 2 жыл бұрын
Or simply cast and hardened. Lower quality and much less strong.
@duanesamuelson2256
@duanesamuelson2256 2 жыл бұрын
@@smithraymond09029 sintered metal has its own advantages and is hardly a race to the bottom.
@txyz9294
@txyz9294 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder just how good these guy's hearing is at the end of the day !!!!!
@glenmel78
@glenmel78 4 жыл бұрын
Lol, what hearing!
@waynelaw1793
@waynelaw1793 2 жыл бұрын
Hey,, wat,,
@YaMomsOyster
@YaMomsOyster 2 жыл бұрын
Ya didn’t see the Safety Rep very often back in them days….only when someone died
@Anony_Mouse_V
@Anony_Mouse_V Жыл бұрын
Not a single ear defender in sight .. Ah progress .. I said AH PROGRESS grandad .. :P
@danorthsidemang3834
@danorthsidemang3834 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't even know Forging In Closed was sick.
@timmensch3601
@timmensch3601 2 жыл бұрын
Dude at 24:35 is a bad ass
@angelapolinar5343
@angelapolinar5343 Жыл бұрын
Where the ads are better quality than the opening.
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