Forgiving The Unforgivable | Inside Story - Crime | S2E05

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[@mael2039]

I have nothing but compassion and understanding for those who manage to forgive, but I also have nothing but respect and compassion for those who don't want to do that or can't do that. Not everyone copes the same way.

[@AnonymousCreature-xj7vk]

I would never forgive!. And if I was murdered & my parents forgave my murderer, I'd be turning in my grave

[@boredweegie553]

@@AnonymousCreature-xj7vk I'd come back and haunt the absolute shit out of them if that happened to me.

[@KayKay0813]

@@AnonymousCreature-xj7vk I am with you. If someone would kill my child, I would not forgive that person. I would wish them 100 kinds of hell.

[@katsoriano9262]

Forgiveness isn’t for the person who did the crime, it’s for yourself. It’s for moving on.

[@bronte6364]

It is their choice but l find people who forgive the unforgivable most odd . The woman forgiving her son in law is really strange.

[@andrewsimckes5748]

Religion dictates t9 forgive transgressions

[@katiechisholm]

The healing process looks differently for each individual person. It’s not meant for you to understand…just for you to accept. It’s their journey.

[@hemeraldhappy7166]

@@katiechisholm THANK YOU. JUST GREAT.

[@Swissbluemountain]

Her mother seams have very little love for her daughter. Loving a murderer monster of her daughter it’s bizarre. Poor poor children born in such a family.

[@koisneurotypical]

He behavior did seem odd, but then again- everyone copes differently and maybe she hasn't yet comes to terms with the gravity of what happened. I don't know. And again- I am not a professional. I wonder who is raising Lara, the baby. I would shudder if it was Demetrius' parents.

[@freedomring757]

You don’t seriously believe her, do you? She’s just saying that. She obviously hates his guts. Turn down the volume and watch her face. No compassion for him. She’s saying what sounds right. I’m convinced she hates him and would kill him if she could. It’s in her eyes.

[@hijaovercomer5500]

Do not you understand that forgiveness frees you from the continuous oppression that the wrong that a person did to you can cause you? That woman and that man are the strongest people I have ever seen! That's what I call “having a strong mind”! Forgiveness is more powerful than bitterness and hatred! They couldn't hurt them in these situations, thank God for strengthening their inner man!

[@Victoriagenix]

Ikr, how can the word I love him came of her mouth? I mean, ok I can move on and not letting him control her, but how can you say something like I love him to the person who murdered your daughter???? Bizarre

[@brera2434]

Maybe she needs to express love for the man in some way because there is also the granddaughter (who is likely growing up at her place) and seeing someone you hate in a child you love...

[@nikitanokia1249]

12 YEARS FOR KILLING HIS WIFE ! The justice in AUSTRALIA IS A JOKE

[@lisaca76]

Absolutely! Offensive to the victim and her family, her life is only worth 12 years

[@sharosmith]

Too bad he wasn’t in Texas, he would have gotten the death penalty!

[@CScripture]

@sharosmith wow how diff countries are

[@noodles5004]

As an Australian woman it actually terrifies me the lack of consequences our justice system gives murderer's, especially within family circumstances. So many cases of absolute horror stories have happened here there's a reason we have the saying when people are married for over 10 years "oh you served your life sentence".

[@lanalafontaine1657]

Although I see where all the comments are coming from about the lack of punitive action, I want to remind people of something. Places like the USA have an outrageous crime rate. If you think long sentences keep people safe, think again. They may be adding to the sickness.

[@ds8290]

I like how Bart places blame on his parents for not listening to the police when they were told he was plotting to kill them. Sociopaths always place the blame on others.

[@jessicahintz3737]

@@alexb7641 his sentence was commuted to life in prison by greg abbot

[@argosz3928]

so do Narcissists, and he is very high on both sociopathy and narcissism.

[@ginger7344]

@@eonianomega it seems so dumb not to act on that but it must seem outrageous to believe your own child would actually do something like that.

[@anamariaenriquez1956]

Real housewives of Beverly hills

[@bayoulafourche]

We don't know if they tried to get him some help really. Or if so I didn't hear the dad say. Like I said above, I have a son like that. I've moved twice because I'm terrified of him. The police didn't take his threats seriously. These kinds of people are really good at turning things around. On one occasion when I was in fear for my life, I actually called the police and he convinced them I was the crazy one and they left. True story. I was floored. Also it's very hard to get help for an adult. It's not like you can plop them in the car and drive them to the hospital. His blame game is flawed. But as you can see, the woman doing the interview was almost taken in by him. They're very good at manipulation. People mean nothing to them. I suppose his dad goes to see him out of guilt.

[@lionhawk.]

Serving a life sentence with a non-parole period of 12 years? What a fricken joke!!

[@mistyn380]

I can never forgive the person that murdered my child. Especially in such a gruesome way.

[@trentcruise3084]

🤣😂🤣😂

[@mindurbiznezz]

@@trentcruise3084 ??

[@trentcruise3084]

@@mindurbiznezz It's good that some Parents still care for their Children.

[@patriciawickholm3617]

I think we would have to. Otherwise it could eat us up and destroy our peace.

[@cortney3798]

@@trentcruise3084 the son in law isn’t her child. She owes him nothing

[@speedbird8987]

I can’t believe that announcer was totally suckered in by Bart! The detective was spot on though in his response “I believe he said what you wanted to hear.”

[@lizzi7128]

I can see how and why the reporter was struck by him. I think in her every day life she's probably quite naive and sheltered. When you've had more to do with certain... Personality types/disorders, you can see through it.

[@sabrinadunson6903]

The Truth 💯

[@sabrinadunson6903]

He has No Remorse No emotions whatsoever Pure Evil

[@bayoulafourche]

I have a son like Bart. After 33 years, I had to cut ties with him. Some people are just not any good. No matter how hard you try to love them and fix them.

[@patriciawickholm3617]

Sorry for your situation. Often, others don't understand why and how we can cut people out.

[@bayoulafourche]

@@patriciawickholm3617 right, I struggle with it everyday. Wonder if he's ok. Cry a lot and think about trying again. I've had to move twice already. I have to think about the rest of the family, and watching me be mistreated hurts them too, because I wouldn't let them step in. It's fucked up all around. I should never have had children. I'll be 60 this July. I've covered up his misdeeds, lost friends and relationships because of him, so many things to the point of ruining my health and letting others get traumatized. I say all this not to be pathetic, but in the hopes some other parent will read this and not throw their life away on a monster that's not your fault. Some people are born that way. You are nothing to them at the end of the day.

[@lizzi7128]

@@bayoulafourche in Nar-Anon (different from na/aa) we talk about detaching with love, putting yourself first and reconciling guilt. Take care of yourself, xx

[@athenamissinghome619]

Sometimes you have to love your child from a distance. That’s okay.

[@allykatt1908]

don't b so hard on yourself u r resilient n strong to still love from a distance its ok ...listen to those who really love n care for u n seem like u do ... don't b so hard on yourself God knows u have tried n he knows ur heart 💓

[@stacytesic8813]

This reporter smiling inappropriately . Like she’s telling a love story

[@lizzi7128]

Yeh she was clearly not the right choice for the interview or to present it. Weird ass b.

[@vickygaid694]

So true, it is just so not so appropriate

[@DevilzCandi]

First thing I noticed was….His mother looks so distraught in every scene she’s shown in their wedding video!

[@aewtx]

Yeah, the extent of it raises the eyebrows immediately. It's a little bit too upset than just the normal losing your son as they go off to begin a new life of their own with someone else.

[@ingridphillips8243]

I thought it was really bizarre that the father said he had forgiven whoever killed his wife, and he didn't even bring up the fact that his younger son was also murdered!! Wtf?!!

[@salh9276]

Agreed kinda seems strange that the your younger son was never really mentioned after the murder

[@spikesgirl9371]

Because deep down he didn't forgive him from killing his son.

[@amyyoung8669]

These two people are way better than me because I'm not forgiving anybody who kills my child not ever

[@amandacozyn5612]

I definitely agree. No one will be forgiven EVER

[@bronxbutterflyrivera78]

Amen to that!!

[@kimberlysmith7311]

That's how most people feel. It's normal., but unfortunately she is right. When you don't process anger and hate into forgiveness it's a kin to drinking poison amd hoping for the one you hate to die. If it isn't transmuted into forgiveness. I know this from experience, sadly.

[@Shawna_Show]

Samee

[@Shawna_Show]

@@kimberlysmith7311 not forgiving can be just as healing as forgiving. It's empowering to say "I will not forgive for this. This is something I will not accept". Forgiveness can keep a victim in a trauma loop. If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't apply to you. But there's some psych articles that discuss this, as well. If you have an interest in checking that out. Very interesting stuff. Just depends on the person, I guess. 👌

[@helenab7390]

I'm really sorry but the constant repeating of the enactment of the murder and screaming was completely unnecessary and gratuitous..

[@aolarl6041]

Thats exactly how I felt,too much repetition and the story just kept dragging !

[@mickideg1837]

I agree way too much build up get on with it and then when it seems to.. nope .

[@whipchick90]

Totally agree!!

[@TieraOwens]

Especially since that's probably not how it really happened.

[@mariamaria7796]

and the gun shots too. I have to mute each time its shown.

[@TD-ln2tg]

Men/people who are overly attached to their parents sends up big red flags to me 🚩

[@robbiewright9573]

Yes!!! 💯🎯

[@daveandcynthiabrock9250]

I hear you!

[@bellachannell777]

Same!

[@pheneriagonzalez1650]

Facts

[@cynthiam3943]

Same here!

[@justelleslife507]

40 minutes before he was to be executed Bart Whitaker's sentence was changed to life with no chance of parole by the governor in 2018, the other case the husband/dad would've been out of prison by now, Corrine wouldn't join the family unit along with her daughter so she's murdered instead, once again, why couldn't Demitrious just divorce her and return to his parents? This will happen again and again, I'll never understand why.

[@lizzi7128]

I believe its a matter of control, pride and ego.

[@lorrainekalmin9944]

He was just spoiled rotten by his mother and father never growing up.

[@shelleyschott9583]

You didn't know them! I did. That's the furthest thing from the truth

[@laurenecarter246]

@@shelleyschott9583 so he was just a narcissistic sociopath?

[@shelleyschott9583]

Loraine, is it? What was the neiborhood name?

[@joes.4149]

“Furthest thing from….” May not be the truth but it’s the closest thing to the truth 😂. Kid was spoiled since birth.

[@kathryncumberland]

What kind of weak, pathetic excuse for a man is jealous of his own child?!

[@denisechauvin1965]

Many men are jealous of , especially, their first child

[@dggydddy59]

@@denisechauvin1965 As a man who never had kids, I sure as hell don't understand it and it sounds pretty damn disturbing to me, like there has to be something seriously wrong with a guy who would feel that way.

[@kathryncumberland]

@@denisechauvin1965 That's just a repulsive idea to me! I don't think any woman could still be attracted to and in love with her husband if she knew he were jealous of their child.

[@robbiewright9573]

I think that should be a HUGE red flag,right? Jealous of your own child? I think that is a sign someone is egotistical and self centered. Nothing normal about it in my opinion. And yes, I have children who are grown now , with kids of their own. My beautiful grandchildren!

[@kathryncumberland]

@@robbiewright9573 I agree, DEFINITELY a major red flag!!!

[@PC4ever]

12 years then he could be paroled but his wife will never see her daughter grow up. How sad!

[@wrxsubaru02]

I will never understand how people can forgive someone who did something like this to a family member.

[@margotstamateris3583]

Serious denial

[@mcdarkness4779]

Open your mind.

[@user-mt4ku7jw1y]

It's totally ludicrous, nutjobs

[@Gi_Lovely]

I can’t believe he blamed his parents for “not stopping him” earlier. Unbelievable. No accountability at heart.

[@lau77771hh]

That guy is pure evil.

[@tillyjames5180]

Total lier in his wedding video. Guy is seriously attempting to act kind and incan see right through that bs

[@patriciawickholm3617]

The entire family are sickos.

[@lanalafontaine1657]

And blamed them for not helping him when"he was drowning in a very public pool". He is just excusing his behavior. And dad...do you remember your other son that you will never have a chance to see do things in the world? I am so glad you are in love again with your new beautiful wife. Wow

[@charleentaveras6042]

Narcissists will never take accountability unfortunately. They will tell u want u want to hear with no remorse

[@tanisboston8472]

Everyone, with the exclusions of the cop and the best friend, is inappropriate. I can accept a need to forgive, but to love tour daughter's killer and express those sentiments repeatedly is a special kind of delusion. Its sad that these narcissistic, sociopaths are still able to manipulate the few people that they still have access too. And the reporter stating that today she believes that he was telling the truth! Talk about not doing your research before a presentation. Smh.

[@suzannep8371]

I think that the Detectives stance on Bart been given the death penalty was perfectly said. A spoilt overindulged individual. May his Mom and Brother rip.

[@donna-leeking2211]

Unfortunately we don’t have Death Penalty anymore😢

[@MagsT_UBU_IBMeBee]

I totally believe we have to forgive as Christians. That does NOT mean support them or have an ongoing relationship, so I beg to differ.

[@TheGeosto]

Where do Christians get the ARROGANT idea that they can forgive someone for what they did to SOMEONE ELSE? You can ONLY forgive that which was done to YOU. Even GOD has NO STANDING to forgive my murder.

[@kimmcpadden5371]

I'm sorry but I think this woman not well ,she says I love him the man who murdered her daughter ,knocked out 4 her front teeth with one punch and stapped her 17 times and she still days she loves him and he not even close blood family member ,,,the second story different father loved his son too,but I really can't understand that mother that don't even say in past tense I did love him ,she says I love him ,he murdered your daughter ...

[@sharosmith]

Yeah, that’s so sad! Never forgive him for cold blooded murder of her daughter! And Barts’ dad, he should have let him rot in hell!

[@argosz3928]

Aside from the horrific pathology of the crimes themselves, the capacity for and depth of human denial is also frightening.

[@robbiewright9573]

Truly frightening!! Wow, talk about blinders.....

[@argosz3928]

@@robbiewright9573 It is a human trait which I feel is vastly overlooked in the study of the dynamics between people, and particularly where there are crimes against another person. Domestic violence dynamics are a case in point. Rather than a judgemental "why does she/he stay?", there needs to be an acknowledgement that denial can serve as a protective mechanism of the mind. Education around this, so victims can recognize and learn how to change their responses consciously, is so vital.

[@robbiewright9573]

@@argosz3928 It really is vital to recognize denial, you're a 100 percent correct..

[@fourofcats5803]

Denial would be not recognizing what happened or pretending it didn’t. Forgiveness is not the same thing at all

[@coreencasey5109]

The grooms mother wore white That’s a huge red flag

[@terryford7459]

🤣🤣🤣

[@chelseapthib36]

Mommy's little pwecioussss!

[@terryford7459]

@@chelseapthib36 lol 🤣🤣

[@chelseapthib36]

@@terryford7459 that's the image I get when a grown ass man is just a grown ass momma's boy.

[@zazasoto6]

No. That’s the mother of the bride.

[@TheWriterWalker]

You can see "crazy" in Bart's eyes.

[@masterofallelements1681]

I think the mother when she says that she loves her ex son in law means it in a religious sense…”love thy brother, love thy neighbor”, etc…in the Bible Christ asks God to forgive those that nailed him to the cross and in that sense I think showed his love for them. It’s a very different love than what I think people are imagining

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

I agree. One really can’t truly forgive those that have harmed us without the love of Jesus in our own heart.

[@JayveeSonata]

Some things are unforgivable. I could never have compassion for those monsters.

[@AHD2105]

I think the Aussie media want people to become super woke abd forgive all these killers and even hug and kiss them. Creepy!

[@kornbsblinkindazeevanmoomoobp]

im sorry i wouldn’t be able to forgive

[@kimmcpadden5371]

Don't even be sorry ,8ts not even natural that this mother says I love him ,the man that murdered her daughter ,I really can't understand her ,she says she still loved him

[@birdyelke775]

Sadly the father's still in vivid denial that he and his wife's didn't realize that their precious Barth was an issues. They were hiding his sins, not knowing that the sharp sword can always be a death weapon. We all had a Barth in family, I had three.... They know that I know them, and I'm not going to illuded myself, trying to make them feeling at ease Infront of me. I just respected but I don't mingled with them. Period

[@dm3144]

We’ve been able to “make a lot of money “ is really what she’s saying.

[@AABB-bm9kk]

Love how they always say these jerks “suffer” with this or that BS psychological disorder - When in fact it’s really always those around them that do the real suffering 🤔✌️… “…It’s not you - It’s your brain…”…FYI: Your brain IS you . Period.

[@RainRemnant]

Hmm his dad seems real happy though, a bit too happy imo

[@fookorf]

both suffer, bollock brains.

[@AABB-bm9kk]

@@fookorf Oh, OK, a#*wipe

[@brupendragon]

Please, try to pursue information about neuroscience and the influence hormones/brain conditions/environment actually have in someone’s capability of assessing their own free will. Before you come here all opinionated. You can BET everyone around them suffer too, but that does not diminish the fact that they are victims of their condition (being it momentary or chronic).

[@charlesgene813]

Actually you’re wrong Before my head injuries (8+) I was happy and fun to be around I’ve been diagnosed with BPD which comes from childhood trauma along with depression and ADHD I am not my conditions I also attend therapy But some people don’t have access to that I didn’t for 20 years People especially my relationships suffer But that doesn’t mean I’m not suffering either Trust me I don’t want to hurt people I love But with BPD everything is black and white

[@janielow8719]

Why keep on showing the reenactment of the stabbing ,think of her family ! We can use our own imagination without it being thrown at us .

[@kimbera7023]

Good on these people who can show love and compassion. Forgiveness doesn’t come easy. But I must say, I think my ex would have just as easily killed me because of his grossly close relationship to his mother. It’s a sickness.. mothers, you must let your sons go when they’re of age. You cant have them to yourself forever!

[@harpsailorharp6716gg]

its very odepiedous x

[@professionaltrollgirl2682]

Even God doesn't forgive everyone. Why do you think there's a hell??

[@AwkwardAnnual]

Every young woman who gets serious with a guy, I just tell her don’t even try to get in between the dynamic of a mother and her son… it’s very strange, not something I will ever understand I think, unless having my own son one day changes me!!!

[@angelalindley8925]

Watch the episode again; this wasn't about his 'mother', it was the ENTIRE family that was pressuring his return, because their entire identity was of a whole, versus being independant of one another.

[@koisneurotypical]

This. 100%. I am so thankful I was able to get away and move out of state. My attorney said to "forget the fact he is screwing you on child support- revise that later and just move far far away since he is letting you." Great advice. Every time we would argue, he would call his Mommy from his work and talk for up to 4 hours with her! And he was 40 when we married!

[@kdfulton3152]

Bart Whittaker’s Dad is ridiculous! Well he remarried very fast, so I expect no less from this idiot. Bart shot his wife and youngest son-and tried to kill him too. Absolutely ridiculous. You were definitely WRONG.

[@sandiasurfers3174]

That dad knew his son like I know Mandarin Chinese

[@mamarha2011]

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

[@sharosmith]

Nope! I would NEVER FORGIVE it. That just feeds their narcissism

[@margochanning6868]

EXACTLY! There is NO remorse. It's not like either one of these psychopaths showed remorse.

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

I have forgiven the narcs in my life. They don’t know it and I have no contact with them.

[@mssagittariusgang]

Narcissism is not brought up enough Narcs CANNOT LOVE!!!!it’s like the watt’s family crazy

[@wizzardofpaws2420]

How on earth are you jealous of your OWN CHILD?

[@PebblezfrmDetroit80]

Not judging, but there is absolutely NO WAY my brother would see my husband, covered in my blood and admitting to killing me, and still be alive to tell the tale!!! I commend his restraint!!

[@claretucker4849]

Think it was a way of getting the knife of him and thought he was incredible to do this. He was able to defuse the situation and make sure baby was safe without losing it. Brave man

[@PebblezfrmDetroit80]

@@claretucker4849 I believe you are correct! My brother is cut from a different cloth 😂....he would've died with me.

[@gabrielamartiniuc6322]

This happened to me when our first daughter was born! He was vicious and jelous of my motherhood . Siiiiiiick. 🤯 He’s a narcissist.

[@julietgover2832]

This is more common than people are aware. My husband didnt like me breastfeeding the children, and was attracted to his parents to extreme. Rang his mother everyday on our honeymoon. All I wanted was love and babies and a happy family unit. Wrong!! It's been a very rocky road. However, God has given me this mission.

[@emmagatewood3898]

Very similar thing happened to me & my ex husband after my kids were born. So similar that it was eerie listening to that part in the video.

[@sharnelledebysingh1591]

My husband is also jealous of my daughter an my motherhood....hes the guy in my pic... can anyone yell me what they think of him and what type of person he seems like?

[@geraldineskinner5941]

I do actually appreciate what the mother said in the first story about forgiveness in that it means he has no further hold over her life.

[@mariahsilva1168]

Same at first I was like how can anyone ever forgive someone for killing there child but the way she put it makes so much sense. He doesn’t deserve to have that power over her life anymore. So it’s understandable

[@faykouri1162]

Ok I agree but I love him? Doesn’t sit right with me.

[@donnadinsdale2308]

I don't

[@trentcruise3084]

@@faykouri1162 For her to say that he must of been shagging that old bag.

[@m.m.m531]

That statement was powerful

[@heavenlyrose3774]

"I love him and I have compassion for him". Woman!! He robbed your daughter of her life!!!!!! I would never forgive my mother if I was killed and she says that she loves my killer. Wtf!

[@crocheting-around-the-planet]

This case sounds so familiar to me…. But I’m alive & with an amazing man….☺️. Poor lady. The baby has no bio-parents….💔 He should have been kept in prison until he takes his last breathe, not a few years! Aussie justice system is as pathetic as ours (UK) …. RIP

[@ellafacebooktruecrimecases3644]

Did she REALLY love him or the idea of being a wife and getting married? Sometimes it blinds us and we put up with a lot. I can see in his eyes and demeanour something isn’t right with him but she looks so besotted.

[@SoulEmbraceTarot]

Ladies, please pay attention to how your man behaves with his family…in particular, the mother. If you believe he’s a “mommas boy”…leave the relationship and especially do not have children with him. No matter how hard…walk away. RUN AWAY!!

[@lizardkueen]

Yupppp! His family was more important to him than any woman he could’ve married

[@lizardkueen]

And the simple fact that he was so jealous of his wife giving love and attention to their own baby girl because he felt like he wasn’t getting enough attention is disgusting

[@Eurocatbaby]

Like D S said below Bart blames his parents for not sending him to a mental hospital. It's sick how he also said good comes from evil. Like his Dad's happiness is due to him and his evil acts. She was duped in that interview. You could see the smirk on his face. He planned to kill them 3 different times. The last one he accomplished his goal. I think it was about the money. As far as the 1st case the fact he murdered his wife Corrine and was able to call then tell her brother to come over. I don't think he was out of his mind. I believe her friend. He wasn't getting what he didn't want by moving her back to his family and he ended her life in a horrible way. He could have just left her.

[@KajunMs39]

Nope; I do forgive those who deserve it, but once You touch my Family; I touch You. Enough Said.

[@becky73460]

How could they forgive murders it's beyond me. 😫

[@ironempath7261]

This guy (in the 2nd story) speaks truth. I've experienced the golden light with eyes closed after trauma caused by a narcissist family member.

[@onlyme3628]

Very upset with Corinne’s mother 😢😡. How do you ‘love’ your child’s murderer??? That’s a slap in the face to poor Corinne’s memory. 😢

[@radhasen.animalwelfare.5644]

The love for her son n law appears to be greater than for here brutally murdered daughter. Brain washed by her religion I think which constantly speaks of forgiveness!!

[@mcdarkness4779]

But it has absolutely nothing to do with you.

[@mcdarkness4779]

What's the point?@@Hotmess24

[@catherinemumbua8251]

"Do you think I was taken in"smiles with mouth wide open like she is talking about a wedding!

[@a.l.7712]

It`s nothing remarkable about this people! Forgiving people who have committed such atrocious acts is like acknowledging them . should something like this happen to me, I hope that my loved ones won't forgive the killer.

[@chelseapthib36]

Looks like prison made him a Lil "soft"... 👀🤡preciousness! He sure can victim blame with the best of em, huh!

[@dggydddy59]

I sorta thought the whole idea behind forgiveness was to unburden yourself, free yourself from the baggage of hate and despair and feelings of wanting retribution and all the damage that this can do to you. Not to still feel love for the perpetrator as if nothing happened and hang out with them on death row every Friday. That seems very much like these people have misunderstood the purpose behind why we forgive. I don't get these people.

[@AwkwardAnnual]

I didn’t interpret the mother from the first story that way - I definitely saw her as wanting to unburden herself of negative feelings so that her daughter’s killer can’t control her life. I saw it as her wanting to take her power and happiness back. I don’t understand it - I hold a grudge, I don’t think I could ever forgive like that - but to each their own.

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

I forgive and yet I can still love the person. But they are not allowed in my life.

[@ambroulard]

Lara doesn’t need this father,,, she’ll do just fine without him.

[@elliebellie7816]

"Forgiving" means different things to different people. I'm a forgiving kind of person, but that doesn't mean I'll be groveling at your feet for acceptance the rest of my life like Bart's father is doing with his son. In a case like this, while the dad may think he's doing all the right things by visiting his son in prison and being supportive of everything, I think the dad is actually trying to forgive himself for not being a better parent to his son. And the son is basically exploiting and manipulating his dad.

[@pamelafrye4667]

I believe the father just doesn't want to fully accept what his son Bart REALLY & TRULY did!!!!! He's still living in DENIAL!!!!! Plus, IF they were parents that SPOILED their children, he doesn't want to accept his own mistakes in his parenting & being DUPED by Bart's LIES!!!!! There is NO WAY I could stand by & support my child while on trial for committing the crimes of planning the murders of their family & having them carried out!!!!! And, after LYING for years about "supposedly" being in college & getting ready to graduate!!!!! That's just TOO MUCH BETRAYAL when any parent would EXPECT & TRUST their child to be HONEST & ASK FOR HELP!!!!!! It wouldn't have been the end of the world IF he had just been HONEST & asked his parents for HELP & UNDERSTANDING!!!!! I'm sure they WOULD have been there for him 💯!!!!! But, if he is a sociopath, he's NOT capable of doing those things & he's NOT capable of APPRECIATING his father's & stepmother's forgiveness & love!!!!!!!

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

Good insight!

[@katerinagiannioudi401]

Being in a close knit family is a good thing and for sure not something that leads to murder.

[@dm3144]

The more they looked … the more they found out. I know if my child was a liar and said he was going to college. I’d check it out 🤷🏻‍♀️ Bro really ?? You really didn’t know he wasn’t going to college? Cmon…

[@dawneipeldauer-awanderingn825]

I was in a toxic relationship with a man enmeshed with his family its really strange - honestly the subtle way they manipulate very hard to leave - these people don't know how to love - I love the mothers definition of forgiveness

[@patriciawickholm3617]

Same here. I didn't last 3 years. Bye bye sickos.

[@lavonnetollison1900]

Such a disgusting tale! The only other living member left of the family and he murdered them- Infuriating!

[@tracypolselli1464]

I’ve seen the story about the first man and what his son did. I don’t think I’d be able to forgive, especially when I’ve never heard the son ask for forgivenesses and take accountability.

[@margochanning6868]

You understand how forgiveness works. The only way genuine forgiveness works is if the person genuinely repents, apologizes and asks for forgiveness. Otherwise, it's just psychobabble formulaic BS. Really, the only person who can forgive him is his wife and she's dead. Her mother cannot speak for her daughter.

[@saimashapi3819]

Forgiveness is a great gift from the Lord, however forgetting it not an option. The 2nd story, the guy is absolutely weird,even in the interview in jail..his very very very fake. Everything he was saying was off. I can't believe a word l, his eye say it all, they r weird so dark & demonic.

[@faraboverubies98]

I'm sorry but the lady who is narrating is so creepy. Her facial expressions doesn't match the seriousness of what she is speaking about. This whole thing is just weird to me. So sorry for the loss of that beautiful woman. Poor baby has to grow up without her mom. This is beyond sad.

[@kolabsor10]

Only 12 yrs?? WTF

[@samy2441]

He has since fully recovered! Wow what a line

[@yankeetherebel]

Perhaps there are some criminal psychologist who posses genuine insight that surpasses the obvious, but I've yet to hear from one on any of the true crime shows I've watched. None of the ones I've heard (including the one on this show) appear to know anything beyond what everyone with a basic understanding of humanity already knows. Everything they say deserves a "no sh*t Sherlock" response because all their takes are so basic and obvious.

[@k_j_n1242]

They only have a finite amount of time to get that across and they do have to use lamens terms.

[@yankeetherebel]

@@k_j_n1242 but there's no need to get across obvious takes that everyone already knows. That's my point. Nothing they say ever enlightens anyone or at least I hope not. Anyone who didn't already know this stuff is frighteningly naive and oblivious to the basics of human nature. The world is a very dangerous place for people who are that oblivious.

[@KraftyKreator]

The sound cuts out for me at 20:12 Anyone else have that issue? And back in 21:03.

[@patienceacheampong9542]

There's something eerie about him.

[@yukiefromoz2573]

I'd not heard of the first case. And this is the first time hearing Bart's father speak after his survival. So all new to me. Good doco. I think Australian journalists make good docos, just not many cases to cover her in Australia, which is a good thing anyway.

[@rosemarysavage9804]

?? I’ve watched many, many Australian crime shows. You have plenty of violence down under !!

[@patriciacorcoran4582]

These families act ridiculous over men getting married and ruin marriages in the long term you can't keep your little boys from growing up and the more you try the more damage you do cut the apron strings and maybe the murders will stop

[@chefjames3361]

God says to forgive, not that you need to have anything to do with the forgiven one. That's what I do, forgive them, but never see or speak to them again.

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

I agree with you! Forgiving allows us to heal. We don’t have to be around the person any longer.

[@corinavandewetering21]

When Dimitri get out watch the daughter carefully.

[@MrsMabusu]

This’s couldn’t be further from the Scriptures Matthew 10:36 “a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

True!!!!

[@mamarha2011]

I'm a fan of forgiveness, cuz the weight of hate is far too great, but that's it. No further contact is desired or required. Idgaf who it is.🤷🏾‍♀️

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

I never want to hate. I grew up in a family full of haters

[@traceyb.r.e5525]

I love him , not I use to love him. Forgiveness is important however to love still where's his not blood line is unnatural

[@shelleyschott9583]

I lived next door to them growing up. His brother tutored me in geometry. They truly were the perfect family. Patricia was the perfect mom. I mean truly they were perfect. Unbelievable!

[@dggydddy59]

Wow! So what were your experiences with Bart like? Or how did you feel about him in those days?

[@shelleyschott9583]

@@dggydddy59 Bart was extremely normal. He was polite, fun, helpful to his mom, play fight with his brother. I mean they were really normal

[@dggydddy59]

@@shelleyschott9583 Wow! Well, they always say that sociopaths are exactly like that. A superficial charm, a mask over their true selves. Thanks for responding and best wishes! Cheers!

[@bayoulafourche]

Goodness! The younger brother really looks sweet. Were you living there when the murders happened? If so, that must've been a horrific experience.

[@daveandcynthiabrock9250]

He's a narcissistic Spoiled brat pos...Just sayin!

[@alsaadih]

Bart is a psychopath not sociopath!!!, but Det. Marshal Slot, keeps referring him as a sociopath which is much different.

[@bridgethall472]

Did they really borrow a baby for that scene with the host? Lol

[@ca819]

What a horrible father. It was only about him and this monster. Never did he speak about Kevin and that he and his 1st wife could have prevented it! Kevin could still be alive. Ignoring the warning signs in his 1st son costed his 2nd son his life.

[@lizzi7128]

Yeh, he was a douchebag

[@lenalena1683]

I pesonally have two questions. 1. was Bart the Golden boy of the family? 2. would Kent be equally forgiving if Kevin or Patricia happends to be family annihilator?

[@arveyilleszender5809]

A lot of people who have spent a long time in a prison cell become very articulate, eloquent, and sharp in oral communications. I'm guessing it's because they have so much time to think about, prepare, and practice what they're going to say.

[@dm3144]

If that makes any sense ???? Hello!! NO. These people who were willing to do this … really miserable human beings. Had I known ??? Please this whole vid was so ridiculous! He thought it was funny he got away with it. He came across to me as a psychopath… and I’m not even a professional. Just a woman with common sense.

[@faykouri1162]

Forgiveness I can understand, but love… how can you love your child’s murderer it’s beyond me. As for the manipulator horrible evil person ,got lucky in getting a pardon and is still alive.

[@James-sq4sc]

Parents who are jealous of their own children are so gross. Those parents raised a needy man child.

[@athenamissinghome619]

When you “love” the man who murdered your child, you are NOT a good mother. He wasn’t even a part of the family for very long. Sorry mama, I have no respect for your position.

[@DaughteroftheMostHighGod-h6c]

Sooty Bart…your parents are NOT at fault for your choices. You are solely responsible for your choices.

[@jewisley]

I can understand forgiveness because I forgive those who have wronged me, but that does not mean that I have forgotten or will allow them to do it again. There is a difference.

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

We forgive and then don’t allow them in our lives.

[@5Korners]

What kind of man is jealous about his wife/girlfriend giving more attention to their newborn child? This train of thought has always baffled me. They say they want kids, and then get jealous when they aren't getting all of the attention anymore. Don't have kids if you can't handle not being the center of attention for the next 18+ years.

[@patriciamuthoni7104]

Burts dad Kent is something else. I can see where Burt got it from

[@james-bryannaadams6928]

Some can forgive, some cannot and both are equally entitled to their position.

[@RapturereadyforJesus]

That is true

[@sunnienie239]

How you love and forgive the evil man. I do not see he a loveable man But he’s evil man

[@james-bryannaadams6928]

A punch that knocks out the four front teeth???? Holy shit.

[@deniseohagan5403]

What happened to baby Lara in the first story ?

[@Jackiedyk]

Not impressed at all by this forgiveness nonsense. Seems like weakness to me. They don't deserve forgiveness.

[@narimannourizadeh3693]

Ya right , what a crazy act ,

[@aliciacruz5957]

No forgiveness from me. GTFOH

[@georgejetson8477]

Bart needs to dye that albino eyelash.