Forgotten Aircraft: The I.A.R 80 and I.A.R 81

[@WartimeHistory]

Note to any new viewers; I recently changed my name From The History Bunker to Wartime History.

[@vipertwenty249]

You ought to re-release this video with the annoying, distracting and unnecessary voice disguise removed. Why on earth you ever though you needed it is beyond me.

[@reserva120]

The Very bad Audio is just painful.. sad as a great topic, but so lazy for such a simple fix audio wise .. Please let know when you make a effort to fix it ..Cheers Allan

[@Farweasel]

Some parts of the narrative overlaid others, at some parts the narrative jerked away from what was being said - Clearest where you were explaining about the IAR 80s being recalled for home defence & showing the fuel refinary ............. Which if memory serves might have been destroyed by USAF B25 Mitchells out of Italy (rather then the B24 Liberators you mentioned).

[@laure5333]

@@Farweasel The USAAF used, as heavy bombers, only B-24 Liberators for bombing the Romanian oil industry targets. The USAAF never used the B-25 Mitchells in combat misions in European War Theater !!!

[@Farweasel]

@@laure5333 A few quick checks later ....... and I'm puzzled. Seems you're right that all the raids on the Ploiești refinery was by B24 Liberators. But Five bombardment groups - 20 squadrons - of the Ninth and Twelfth Air Forces did operate in Europe. For sure B25s were used in Italy - They're kind of the background stars of 'Catch 22'.

[@jayg1438]

Hello Romania! American here and I think this is one of the finest aircraft built in WWII by a smaller country. Really beautiful and had above 2:1 kill ratio. Well done.

[@driftking3062]

Go home yankee la dracu' cu mama ta

[@kramersmaster2387]

As a Romanian i agree with you, thank you for your appreciation about our engineering.And at the time Romanian pilots we're World's best pilots.

[@baconbirbthegreat]

Thanks

[@MiG-31893]

It could outfight the Yak-1, regarded as the best fighter of its time, and could also outmaneuver the P-38 in the hands of a skilled pilot. It was good for its time, but by 1944 you have the P-51D, KI-84, Spitfire XIV, FW-190D-9 and other massively powerful engine driven planes.

[@steppenwolf1872]

Thank you I really appreciate it! The problem with this beautiful plane was the lack of proper power of the engine.

[@johngrossu5020]

I thoroughly enjoyed the video. My father Mircea Grossu Viziru was the General Director of the IAR plant in Brasov during the war. His team was responsible for the creation of the IAR 80. We left Romania in 1944. In 2005 I had an opportunity to visit Bucharest and was taken to visit the air museum there where they had the last IAR 80 in existence. It truly is a beautiful plane. Thanks you for producing this memorable video.

[@raulerdei2]

Ști vorbii română?

[@rancidpitts8243]

The aircraft certainly has Eye Appeal. In boat designing eye appeal generally translates into good handling and smooth sailing. The design team did an excellent job on that one.

[@eugenradu2212]

Felicitari...

[@ionionescu6777]

its just a copy you saw there , not a single one left im afraid

[@DerDop]

Oh. Respect

[@oxcart4172]

A flying replica is in the early stages of planning in Romania! I think it's lovely!

[@danieldz7906]

it's a beautiful plane

[@cliffthelightning]

Over here in the Netherlands they are working on a replica Fokker DXXI using as much original parts as possible. Its almost ready and has done some taxi runs already. Soon it will take to the skies for the first time in 75 years or so. I think its wonderful that dedicated people put in the work on the lesser known aircraft.

[@oxcart4172]

@@cliffthelightning Yeah, it's flown! It's a work of art! I've been following the project on Facebook!

[@joshstanton267]

Wish they'd been able to have facilities to reproduce BMW 801 radials for these. this plane could have become an absolute beast with that powerplant. Pity the Germans weren't very forthcoming, until later when they lent bf109s when they were desperate. As with most Romanian aircraft at the time, the powerplant was lackluster, leaving the pilots to have to fly to their weaknesses not their strengths.. damn they did well, regardless.

[@doncarlo5]

compared to mainstream fighter planes of WWII , it's a pity that this nice looking war bird has been forgotten ... it appears to be an underestimated aircraft, if you consider that was more agile a lower altitudes than the Lockeed P-38 ... it is astonishing , and proves that building formidable aircraft isn't just a privilege or bigger nations ... two thumbs up, because I've learned something new today, thank you Sir ! Nice Job !

[@Wasparcher1]

In all fairness 38's were never meant for low altitude work. because of their size and weight they thrive on the low density air of high altitude and the Turbo-Superchargers only really start to show themselves past about 15,000 feet. Now had that fight taken place at a higher altitude I'm pretty confident the 38's would've made it home with a few kills. I'm not saying IARs were bad, in fact I actually rather like them. but that fight does need to be put into context. And it just helps prove the old adage of "It doesn't matter how good your plane is if you're flying it wrong."

[@Farweasel]

@@Wasparcher1 ..................... Which is true on all counts.

[@pleasedontdestroy4851]

@@Wasparcher1 Exactly it’s like comparing a fork to a spoon when eating soup (bear with me) yes the spoon is better but that doesn’t mean the fork it bad it mean you aren’t using the fork correctly. Just a analogy for comparing the P-38 at low altitudes to the IAR 81c

[@laure5333]

@@Wasparcher1 In the case of those P-38s, your reply need a bit of a...nuance : The P-38 Lightnings were, with no question, great planes, the pilots flew them well (they, only...navigate them wrong ! LOL !) but - here comes - the overall mission parameters were, clearly, wrong...which in the end turned the whole thing into a mess of epic proportions !!! It looks like the planning of that mission had serious weak points, particularly in the intelligence department, which put the planners in the situation of not exactly knowing what really they're up against...thus explaining the later chain of wrong choices. The P-38 was a good choice for a low altitude bombing surprise attack...if the surprise was achieved. Well...unfortunately, surprise was not achieved but it looked like none of the planners ever playied the scenario of..."what if not...then what...?" Planners weren't aware of IAR-80s and its technico-tactical performances, particularly of it's extraordinary agility at low altitude, let alone of it's residential airfields and it's numbers - even after many years after the end of WW2, former American pilots still believed that, on that day, they were attacked by FW-190s !!! More important, Americans were not aware of how highly skilled were those battle hardened Romanian pilots of ARR flying their IAR-80s !!!

[@Wasparcher1]

​@@laure5333 Ahhh nuance, always fun. Though to be fair, I never said 38's weren't a great plane (They very much are), just that they were being used in the wrong way. 38's really never liked low altitude, later models were able to perform much better thanks to hydraulic boosters in the flight controls and the addition of dive breaks to help with the really horrible compression they suffered from at high speed that made them unable to pull out of certain dives. They can go fast at low altitude, sure, but maneuvering wise they were sluggish compared to their performance past 15,000-ish feet. Also never said the pilots weren't good pilots just that the planes were being used wrong. Which, when your plane is built from the ground up for high altitude interceptor/escort work and your mission is low altitude bombing, that plane is not being used correctly. The US had better, faster, purpose built low altitude aircraft for this purpose. I struggle to understand why they assigned 38's to it unless it was literally the only available air asset within range but I mean... really? You're right in the regard that the piss poor planning is what got those birds shot down but I respectfully disagree that the 38 was in any way a good choice for a low altitude mission.

[@gilanbarona9814]

Romanian pilots have been renowned for getting the best out of older aircraft. The IARs were still effective despite becoming obsolescent later in the war. Romania used MIG 21s the same way later. Great pilots make for great aircraft.

[@Mr_Fu_Manchu]

One thing more worth to mention : the high level of training of romanian pilots did made most of this plane lethality .

[@ferbintegabriel4714]

You know a real dedicated historian when they pronounce other languages perfectly. Great video and good luck in the future.

[@KrillLiberator]

Very good work. Although the sound quality was variable, it did not detract from my enjoyment or understanding of the content. Good balance of technical information and pace, accessible but informative. I have gone my whole 43 years never having really heard about these aeroplanes before, despite a life-long fascination with WW2. Thank you!

[@origabiyt1500]

Thank you for making known this fighter plane to a larger audience! It really deserve respect and appreciation, not only giving the very hard situation,but also for the engineers that did design it,for the mechanics who did maintain those planes and not the least for the pilots that flew them! They have been brave,they fought well and many died.And many of them became aces. Few talk about them because of Romania's politics during WW II, but this has nothing to do with the achievements of romanian engineers and fighter pilots. They were simply remarkable!

[@raniolvespanssenlafayett6762]

Origabi Yt After WW2 in 80 times We have IAR 93 99

[@andraslibal]

There was a very capable aircraft factory close to the city of Brasov in the city of Ghimbav (Weidenbach, this used to be a German area of Transylvania). The factory was bombed by the Americans in 1944 April 16th and May 6th - they were dismantled after WW2 as the Soviets did not want the Romanians building their own aircraft. The factory was transformed into an agricultural tractor factory that was quite successful even exported tractors to Iran and Turkey and other places. When communism ended this factory was dismantled and sold for scraps (of course with huge corruption), now there is nothing there ... and Romanians are buying John Deere tractors and a few used F-16s are their best aircraft. That is the story of Eastern Europe: going from innovation and self-sufficiency to serfdom of the Soviets and now the Americans.

[@drupiROM]

Romania could not make a jet engine for a supersonic plane nor could it make a 800+ hp. diesel engine for it's tanks. Same problem with the IAR 80/81, the platform was there but not the weapons and engines. Even China needs to import Su-35 engines from Russia, because the can not make it themselves from scratch and the Soviet Union bought jet engines from the Brits back in the '40s. @Wartime History Excelent video btw, thank you.

[@DerDop]

Oh shut up. We like the Americans. Keep your propaganda out of this page.

[@zeljkoljiljak7256]

@@DerDop facts don't care about yours love.

[@DerDop]

@@zeljkoljiljak7256 in proper English, please. Your statement doesn't make sense.

[@DerDop]

@@drupiROM drupi_ROM neh, some people don't understand how the industry works, yet they throw nonsense on internet because, well, they can. P.s I work for the biggest aircraft manufacturer in UE.

[@mihainicolae8418]

My father was a Captain flying this i.a.r. 81 in the war

[@zeamagogu4029]

Ion Grosu went on to take part in the design the B52.

[@McRocket]

They sound like early war Italian designs - maneuverable, but severely lacking in firepower and powerful engines. Thank you for this video.

[@Wasparcher1]

it's funny you mention that... Most people who know about this plane that aren't massive history nerds like us, are Warthunder Players. Where it resides on the Italian Tech tree as a premium plane. I own one, it's fun if a little underwhelming in the game (Though that has to do with the meta of the game itself). Tends to get stuck into a low level ground attack role. But it can dogfight against people who put themselves in a bad position or let themselves get distracted. It's almost like a Romanian FW-190A with the way it handles, fast rolls, nice dives, slower turns, great for boom and zoom fighting. If only it had access to a more powerful engine, it's climb rate, poor energy retention, and top speed really let it down against later war designs or anything with an altitude advantage...

[@filip1408]

Hello from Romania! I just discovered your videos, really great and thanks for putting some light on our pretty craft!

[@ericholder2026]

Fix the sound quality and keep em common!! Thanks this was really interesting. I’ll look for more on this aircraft as that I like to learn about the unusual and rarely mentioned.....planes, ships, events..etc!

[@dannynye1731]

A beautiful fighter with a rare tail skid

[@sidefx996]

Great video, thank you. Beautiful aircraft.

[@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles]

Great video. Information on the Romanian planes is quite scarce. I was glad to find this.

[@paulpatten7216]

Remarkably, the greatest loaded, air superiority fighter weight was around 5780 lbs, which is phenominal for an improvised sheet welded and tube central fusilage structure. It did not use the Claude Dornier, Hugo Junkers, Dr Richard Voight Electrosol method. Its a mass was roughly 980 to 1060 lbs less than the FW 190. Curiously, with the 1140 hp LeRhone or the 1160;hp Bristol Taurus it had a small ceiling advantage on the Butcher Bird.

[@deadlybladesmith3093]

I remeber the IAR 80 from SG: Storm Raiders (remember that game!?!??) Anyway, It was my favorite plane to use due to high maneuverability.

[@bryanspain4830]

Yeah! That's my favorite plane for ground attack missions. I play that game all the time on my Nintendo Switch.

[@leechgully]

Good video. factual detail was high. good images. Rumanian aviation is rarely mentioned in videos on WW2 aircraft.

[@MyEmkill]

Rumanian? RUMANIAN? wtf

[@pascalchauvet4230]

Thank you so much for coverig these aircraft

[@samsignorelli]

I always thought this bird looked like someone stuck the malcom hood from a Spitfire onto an FW-190. nice looking plane.

[@oscarrigo5358]

Keep up the good work! I am sharing this with my friends!

[@WartimeHistory]

Thank you Oscar. I'm really happy you enjoyed the video.

[@craigpennington1251]

First time hearing and seeing this aircraft. Thank you for the history lesson.

[@jamessteel1719]

Well done, good research, well presented and on an interesting, little known topic. More please!

[@ThePilot4ever]

Imformative, simple and enjoyable video of my favourite Romanian fighter

[@PassportToPimlico]

What a modern looking aircraft when first designed.

[@syos1979]

Being part Romanian myself I must say these aircraft are quite beautiful, and definitely deserve a bit more fame.

[@captbumbler5356]

Thank you for this, I did not know these aircraft fought in the war. I notice in the comment below they are building a replica, shame none of the orignal aircraft are still around.

[@domoore546]

Thank you for the video, I had never heard of this aircraft before.

[@king-mihai]

Dude u pronounced IAR PERFECT!

[@N0rdman]

Thank you for that, and I honestly mean it! I thought myself as a real aeronautical buff and WW2 is my favourite field but I had honestly missed this aircraft totally.

[@Sarutdevypera]

I love my country and i love fighters I'll enjoy this video

[@bamsecristian]

Great video on this very interesting plane from my country. I knew about it since I was little, because there were all kinds of articles and books written about it, even comics believe it or not. It was a great design in the early period of WWII yet after a few years, problems with the engine availability and poor armament relegated it to mostly hopeless air defense against superior aircraft. Great handling skills from experienced pilots were not enough to supplement the now outdated design and switched to BF-109s. It is however a great underdog story if U will and proves that good designs did appear even in this part of Europe.

[@ClaudiaMitchell-jn7fw]

I’m Hungarian, what a cool craft ! My Dad fought in the Battle of the Bulge in 1945, he was a U.S. Army Sergeant, a Real Hero. ✨🇺🇸✨

[@user_____M]

It's weakness was actually the dependence on foreign machineguns, cannons and engines, as Romania wasn't producing them and Germany was unwilling to help its allies properly, unlike the US that was investing in war factories of allied countries.

[@solomonarbc]

Not the engine though. The engines were license produced, but yeah: the major difference between big aircraft manufacturing industries and small countries is the engine R&D; machine-guns and cannons are produced by a lot of the smaller countries (ex. Belgium).

[@raniolvespanssenlafayett6762]

M Indeed but Germany was wipe out by the Alied Bombing nonstop factory when USA in abouth WW Were Untoucheable.Thanks alot Uncle Sam

[@ottovonbismarck2443]

The US military-industrial complex also invested heavily in the GERMAN war machine: Ford in Cologne built trucks for the Wehrmacht. GM built a whole new plant especially meant for Wehrmacht-trucks in Brandenburg in the 1930s, which was run by American staff until December 1941. Boeing held about 30% shares in Focke-Wulf. Standard Oil (ESSO) supplied German submarines in the Caribbean through their oil fields in Venezuela and hired tankers until 1943 ... Some of these - even back then - global players tried to sue the US government after the war for bombing their factories and holdings in Germany. IIRC that didn't work out too well and some caught heavy fines.

[@ottovonbismarck2443]

@CipiRipi00 That "Legiunea Arhanghelului Mihail" sounds like "Legion of the Archangel Michael". Strange name for a fascist party. Very good points you've made. German resources were so few, they just could not afford to share much. Not to forget that the German war production was just slowly increasing from 1942 onwards and only reached its peak in 1944, when it was already too late. As an example, the USA produced more aircraft than all other WW2 participants together, at least as many tanks as Russia and twice as many war ships as England. Not to mention the huge amount of trucks, freighters, food, oil, fuel, steel, aluminium, ammunition, small arms and even uniforms, with which they supplied their allies.

[@ottovonbismarck2443]

@CipiRipi00 Thanks for the info ! I'll have an original Romanian Slivovitz (I can't spell the Romanian word for it) on you. You know, one that has been destilled in a dark farm shed somewhere around Bistrița. Cheers !

[@GrahamMilkdrop]

I regularly fly I.A.R 81s in Il2-1946. I like the way the cockpit sits further back than most other fighters, almost behind the wing. It isn't beneficial in any practical sense... it just looks awesome!

[@Wasparcher1]

Kinda dangerous though, just look at F4U Corsairs and their carrier landing troubles. It really decreases your visibility, especially on landings. And especially on tail draggers. But yeah, it really does look frickin sweet, I agree.

[@orexgabriel2448]

It also had fuel tanks in front of the pilot like the Hurricane - not a good design as it resulted in pilot getting burned badly in case of a fire

[@exsteelcalin]

IAR 80 is an example of new plane designed with very limited resources. The tail was PZL and the wings were scaled down from savoia 79 bomber which IAR was produced under lincense

[@briansteffmagnussen9078]

There's a saying, If it looks good it flies good. If this is true this plane look like a winner. Turbo charger, P&W engine and a few aerodynamic refinements then it would kill everything they can throw against it.

[@briansteffmagnussen9078]

@CipiRipi00 Coming to mind, Don't dive the Yak at too high speed or it will fall apart.

[@lendrickKamar]

Beautiful plane

[@paulmarchlewski6354]

Always loved this little fighter, but I think you'll find that only the forward fuselage and wing centre section were IAR design, the engine, outer wings and most of the fuselage were from PZL P 24s.

[@laure5333]

Paul Marchiewski : Basicaly, for time saving reasons, only the rear fuselage was taken from the PZL P-24 Super P, which used to be produced under licence at I.A.R. factories. Despite the very similar to P-24 looking, everything else was designed at I.A.R.

[@Mr_Fu_Manchu]

One more proof that those aircrafts were good is that , after the ending of war , soviets dismantle the factory and took it away .

[@cristineagu6920]

Fucking soviets...they dismantled us off of our treasures. Gold included.

[@barackobaman1572]

Cristi Neagu this is war man somebody has to lose

[@raniolvespanssenlafayett6762]

Barack Obaman Europe loose abouth WW 1 and 2....Too many casualties.Including Russia heavy Strike by germans ex alies

[@raniolvespanssenlafayett6762]

Ronin T Maybe the Best fighter after Focke Wulf 190

[@Mr_Fu_Manchu]

@@raniolvespanssenlafayett6762 I am not an expert , but I do know that at the start of the war was among the best .Now , in 43' -44 ' was obsolete and romanian air force did start to use Messerschmitt .

[@gheoman]

This plane fits in a Batman movie, it's incredible!, nice work!

[@Theogenerang]

Good video and voted. Just felt a little rushed and I would have liked more background on the aircraft featured at the start.

[@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles]

and who are the 5 idiots that gave this a thumbs down?

[@countersniperssr]

could be some hungarians or russians ..lol :D

[@GigiDuruDuru]

Russians

[@deciboo189]

Huns

[@kittyhawk9707]

Bitter Yanks / P38 pilots

[@abbush2921]

Now 24

[@countdemoney9598]

the best looking planes during the war

[@lipym]

I appreciate that you made the effort to pronounce Industria Aeronautică din România. It was very close although it's not easy to pronounce :)

[@mathewkelly9968]

Love this plane , please do the CAC Boomerang for us Aussies 🇦🇺

[@raspano1]

Wow great video. I learned something new ...I did not know about this aircraft thank you for the video.

[@loiclaronche5675]

Good video, about an aircraft quite discreet but woth discovering. Sound quality needs improvements though. Thx

[@pcarro11]

Thanks for the review. Watching the films of the aircraft, it could almost be confused with an FW-190. Also, the aircraft has the feel of a BeeGee that got picked up by a giant and puuulllleeeedddd.

[@Wasparcher1]

Flies a lot like them as well (At least in simulators). If they had a bigger engine they would almost be a 190.

[@CZ350tuner]

The I.A.R.80 & I.A.R.81 are player flyable planes in the original IL-2 Stormovik - Forgotten Battles & 1946.

[@normand5847]

I bought that plane yesterday in War Thunder. Now this shows up in my KZbin feed.

[@michaelmarler7016]

Maybe you need an SR-71.

[@vanillagorilla8236]

Looks a lot like Howard Hughes Aircraft.

[@piotrbush8369]

Good development of the Polish PZL 24. In POLAND, we created a new Pzl Jastrząb prototype and it failed, and you succeeded, I congratulate you, actually our pilots could meet even in air combat. And do you currently have a flying copy. I am honoring

[@TheNameOfTheWind]

The Soviets were adamant in dismantling any local military and industrial bases in the countries they occupied - as I am sure you know from Poland as well. The IAR factory and its planes fell at the unfortunate intersection of both. They were scrapped with extreme prejudice. Not one true purpose build plane remains in existence, let alone a flying one.

[@dave8599]

very nice, a very little known aircraft

[@1936Studebaker]

Would have been a difficult aircraft to fly with the cockpit set so far back just like the F4U Corsair.

[@nicholasbieniek4461]

One day I hope to own one IAR 81.

[@Lightspit]

they are trying to rebuild one right now.

[@randomguy5953]

They added the plane in War Thunder, I flown it in game, and is wery effective.

[@Alexthelion93]

Vorbești foarte bine engleza. Felicitări pentru clip! Congrats!

[@DontKnow-lz1vh]

Nice vid. Very informative!

[@TomPrickVixen]

In Warthunder this is my "go-to" plane in Italian mixed battles from 2.3 to 4.3, but basically because there is no better option for an attacker. As a fighter; while it has good armament the weakness of the engine puts a huge toll on the performance. (+ Good thing there's a German cammo for the plane, cuz I'd never play under a romanian insignia specially in a Italian tree!)

[@thejoke69]

Ur dumb af

[@TomPrickVixen]

@@thejoke69 typical...

[@laure5333]

A German cammo for...a Romanian plane which is...in the Italian tree...!!! LOL !!!

[@stranraerwal]

does the speaker wander through a vast studio ,getting coffee, milk and sugar in different rooms ?

[@strizhi6717]

Great channel and i subbed!

[@umvhu]

If you cut out the shortwave modulation effect you would be much easier to understand.

[@mebeasensei]

It looks like the coolest fighter of ww2. Corsair mixed with Fw190D.

[@farklefuster6876]

TommyTwobats To me it looks a lot like the Hughs racer

[@isaacmcpeek9636]

I thought it was mostly PZL slightly aft of the cockpit. Always liked the also ran ,obsure little known equipment especially efficient and inexpensively made useful equipment

[@razvananghel7492]

Good video. Great plane

[@michaelbevan3285]

the aircraft was also trialled with the DB 601and this was considered a success but never taken up. It would have kept the aircraft much more competitive.

[@ezrabrooks12]

Good Video/Info.

[@ninetails9078]

This feels weird 😂 ( I'm Romanian )

[@jonathanpeden9930]

Salut! My best friend is Romanian (she is from Hunadoara) and I am slowly learning about your amazing country (I am British). We grow, we learn, we join hands in friendship and long may this continue . Brexit sucks by the way, we have to stay together.

[@Daliaxez]

alright i guess lol

[@kkyry]

Actually I am glad you left, I hope we will take on your steps soon. Eu is USSR

[@jamesmosley1549]

The E.U is run by bankers who don’t care for its people, mere pawns used for cheaper labour. I fully respect anyone coming to the u.k for work. I just wish people would see it for what it really is.

[@raniolvespanssenlafayett6762]

Jonathan Peden British are European folks

[@iamlukie1826]

Great video.

[@michaleeuwe]

Very ineresting fighter.

[@vladmunteanu5891]

Im romanian and you pronounced that perfectly

[@panzer1736]

I'm From Romania and i like this video :-)))))

[@mateidonose6357]

I loved the video. Just if you could get a better mic i am sure you would reach 100 k

[@einsatzgruppenful]

Howd u discover this aircraft?, im on a ww2 fb group and someone posed the question whats ur favorite axis fightet, so of course my mind thought straight away, fokewulf, bf 109, Mitsubishi zero, but thought id research other axis nations planes, came across ur vid, great work learned alot gonna rewatch it a few times

[@j3lny425]

Fantastic. Will you do videos on other Balkan and eastern (non Soviet) aircraft? [Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland Greece]

[@PTQ4Q4Q4Q4]

Not a bad channel!

[@TheNameOfTheWind]

Damn beautiful plane. A pity we Romanians were not able to develop or license the technology to build our own engines and machine guns, it is what dragged this model down throughout its life.

[@Cornel1001]

IAR 37 had a flight speed under 170 Km/h. Over the Odessa none was destroyed, all CCCP artillery had a mechanical computer system fire control were the lower limit was 220 Km/h.

[@ciprian7243]

Top speed for the IAR37 is 336kph. While top & cruise speeds are different, it was by no means a

[@Cornel1001]

@@ciprian7243 mistake 100%, was an observation plane maybe # 27

[@bd2970]

What plane did they use for training with the IAR? And amazing job with the video

[@MrBension]

An Italian one,the "Nardi FN 305" made by another Romanian aircraft producer,S.E.T.

[@laure5333]

My uncle was part of the last few graduating series of flying officers which were licensed as fighter pilots on IAR-80, after WW2. I remember him mentioning often the advanced trainer Nardi FN.305 which was used for the last stage of training prior to start the training on the actual fighter planes. Apparently, due to its constructive and flying characteristics, the FN.305 achieved the spine-chilling reputation as one of the most "unforgiving" trainers, ever, which explains the subsequent rate of accidents and casualties. However, once finished the advanced training on Nardi, the very high level of flying skillls so achieved, was always making the transition to actual fighter planes training much more easy. Anecdotally, there were reports of young pilots which have been heard saying : "If I flew the Nardi, from now on I can fly anything else...!"

[@plhebel1]

Never heard of this aircraft,, I guess it had much to do with negative PR,, especially when it outclassed the P38's in a big way. Never too old to learn something new,, From what I have learned over the last few years there is a large amount of history that has been penned out of just not talked about much throughout the years going way , way back.

[@Wasparcher1]

it didn't really outclass 38's... well ok Ranking aircraft as better or worse ina general sense is honestly very difficult. Not all aircraft are built for the same purposes. P-38's were built as High level Escorts and Interceptors. Their engines and aerodynamics were built to perform at altitudes of 15,000 feet plus where weight and drag aren't as big of a deal due to the thinner air. IAR's were an early war design built for lower altitudes of below 15,000 feet. That particular dogfight pitted a bunch of 38's being used in the wrong altitude, with pilots unfamiliar with the area, their only advantage over the IAR's would've been straightline speed (In terrain where they needed maneuverability and couldn't just pour on the speed in a straight line). The I.A.R.'s had an altitude advantage, had first sight of their enemy, in an aircraft built for performance at low altitudes, they knew the area, and had a definite maneuverability advantage over a heavy twin boom 38. It was literally a perfect situation for the I.A.R.'s and their pilots. Had any of those factors been changed that whole fight could've gone differently. but then again... what if's... I really like the I.A.R.'s but when it gets right down to it, outside of a very select few situations I would not say the 80's are better than a 38, they just managed to be perfect for that exact type of engagement.

[@orexgabriel2448]

It didn’t outclass the P38. It was just a poorly planned mission by the American command that made the P38s getting ambushed at low altitude.

[@Robert_Kawalec]

Great ! Thanks. Look also into PZL 37 LOS.

[@algow5988]

Engine HP, best rate of clime, and max speed would be nice.

[@nechitadaniel1306]

Din saracie sa construit un avion si a fost visul multor piloti sa il piloteze cei mai buni au pilotat si a fost pilotul mai bun ca avionul . Avionul nu avea vedere buna in fata ca M109 sau cele americane ca avea aripile in fata nu langa pilot . Pilotii au dat faina avionului si inginerii cum au putut ei pentru inginerii au incercat sa faca si ei competitiv cu avioanele din vremea aceaia

[@mikhailiagacesa3406]

B-24 aircrew would often mistake IAR-81s for FW 190s. They had a fearsome reputation.

[@infinitificator4629]

The IAR often behaves like a FW in flight. I'm a war thunder pilot after all

[@Minong_Manitou_Mishepeshu]

Looks like the H-1 racer.

[@radosaworman7628]

Closest thing to the polish fighter in warthunder. I'm even thinking about buying it.

[@frostundersolen4974]

its so pretty

[@agshep]

Battle of Stalinburg? (5.20)

[@plasturecumiere7701]

One thing I could not understand is why the Germans were unwilling to sell the engine license to the Romanians. The Romanians were able to build it, but the Germans never gave them the license.

[@countersniperssr]

Nobody know...Romania asked Germany for Panzer IV , 88mm canon, Me 109 and other licenses but Hitler refuse...Nobody know why.

[@DuZori]

Lol. Because they wanted to be the master. Like today.

[@markleavey1]

Your excellent

[@horvathstefan7774]

thanks;when a siminar video from mig 21 (lancer) ?

[@sheevpalpatine80]

MiG-21 is far from forgotten

[@lipym]

@@sheevpalpatine80, we still fly MiG21 in Romania

[@KK-no7be]

Had to bail out early due to the dreadful sound quality.

[@lordgarion514]

@@davidcraig9938 It's not a computer voice. He's using a cheap microphone.

[@viorelstefan4015]

I.A.R 80 ist the 3 clasament BEST from in 1940 in WOLRD

[@GigiDuruDuru]

Spitfire,Bf109, Hurricane,A6M Zero ? ..top3 zici tu ?

[@wallachia4797]

@@GigiDuruDuru Iar era un avion comparabil daca nu chiar mai bun decat hurricane in 1940 in comparatie cu Ungaria care abea misca sa prinda ceva avioane, Bulgaria care nu a facut nimic tot razboiul si cu Italienii care si-au mancat bataie grav, noi am dus-o chiar bine la capitolul avioane de vanatoare.

[@MrAdharus]

@@GigiDuruDuru ,dap...in 40,era top 3...dupa spitfire si 109...nu uita,la vremea aia nu se auzise de zero,fv190 nu era,americanii de asemenea nu impresionau cu nimic...si da,iar 80 era mai bun decat huricane ( in batalia angliei,huricane era folosit mai ales sa atace bombardierele,spitfire angajau fighterii germani)

[@craigkdillon]

Aircraft design and production is limited to just a few companies, and fewer countries. Seems that back then, aircraft design and production was in more countries. Like these Romanian planes, I bet there were many planes designed and built around the world in the 20's and 30's. These planes must be forgotten about now. I wonder how good they were? After all, some of the best planes were designed and built in Canada, that large but small frozen country to the North. Were planes designed in South America? Spain? etc.

[@laure5333]

Try to do a...searching exercise on Internet and it may solve your... curiosity...!!! You"ll be surprised...!!!

[@lucianene7741]

It was tightly designed around the K14 / Gnome Rhone Mistral Major engine of the 1930's, and therefore had little space for upgrades. With the rapid evolution of aircraft technology during WW2 it was bound to become obsolete soon.

[@bibia666]

love the subject.., even before watching the video of it hh