Forgotten and Underrated Legends of MotoGP

[@FlipWarBucks]

Can’t wait for your Rossi v Marquez breakdown

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Might be awhile because I want to rewatch the whole 2015 season, but it'll come

[@davidedwards7746]

I rarely learn anything new when I watch/listen to most videos. But not this one! Great stuff!

[@ferrarifan6960]

you are becoming my favourite channel to watch so please keep up the great work man !

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Happy to hear that! Thanks for the support!

[@vmontijo]

Great video - thanks for creating and posting!

[@lughfaris1693]

Brand new Moto Gp fan here, really loving your videos to help me learn more about the sport

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

That's the goal! The more people I can help infect with the MotoGP bug, the better!

[@twileik2284]

A great video, definitely learned names I haven’t heard of before!

[@ldarm]

Another fantastic video, so much effort goes into these with so much info, top job 👌💪🏻

[@EwenNicolson]

Liked this a lot. Middle weight titans to consider. Kork Ballington, Anton Mang, Carlos Lavado and Walter Villa. There were also a raft of great Japanese riders in the 90's who won 250 titles who never made the leap up. Definitely follow this video up. My suggestions for future episodes would be the amazing Bruno Kneubuhler (pronounced 'noy buller'), Donnie McLeod, Alex George, Takazumi Katayama John Koscinski and Daryl Beattie. Oh, and buy a Moto GP stat book, it will be your best friend for this shit.😊 Forgotten world champs might include Cecil Sanford and Gary Hocking.

[@alanwilson1982]

Very interesting history, thank you, add Jon Ekerold world champion - privateer!

[@mgrzx3367]

This is good stuff. I really enjoy the history and learning it. Helps to know the stories behind the names you see on a big list. Thanks.

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Thanks for the support! That's why I make the content!

[@ETR_Unicorn]

Your research is impeccable, Bee. It's so good to see how much your channel is growing, and your content just improving all the time.❤ Side note: the Suzuka 8 hour still exists. Awesome endurance racing with some of the top riders in the world.

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Always happy to see your comments! Thanks for the support! I watch the Endurance races in the background while I do homework, I just finished the 24 hours of le mans from this year! Suzuka is next on my list.

[@petejay75]

Jarno Saarinen. The most underrated and forgotten rider ever, he was better than everyone in his day and those names are among the greatest of all time. He passed far too early but in his short career he proved how great he would have been had he not died at Monza.

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Maybe it's just because me and my dad talk about him more than other forgotten legends, but he didn't even cross my mind as being forgotten, but he totally is. One of the biggest what-ifs in MotoGP history

[@petejay75]

@@TheBeehivePaddock if you are ever in Finland, it is.possible to visit his old garage/workshop underneath the Saarinen family business in Turku. His brother has turned it into a small museum with all kinds of things on display from Jarno's racing career. I went there once and it was great, his brother gave me and my son a personal tour and told us about almost everything there. When you see just how much of a privateer he really was and how much work he did himself, you will be amazed that he managed to beat the full factory team that Agostini had. Jarno usually raced at least two classes each race weekend and would just switch the top ends of his engine around to make it possible. His skill with the wrenches was as good as his riding skills, because his bikes were so reliable in comparison to others. I think he even shot-peened other riders cranks because everyone knew that it improved reliability and that Jarno did it so well.

[@raoulmaul]

new favourite channel, keep it up brother

[@richardtesner4148]

Tnx. Good stuff !

[@iainbailey-p2y]

bo granath, saw him ride many times at oulton park inthe late 60s and early 70s usually at the bank holiday interationals with all the other top stars of that era

[@busatrx850]

I can remember phoning in sick from work so I could go to Brands Hatch to watch Johnny Cecotto on his 750.

[@ProjectDream-zw7hk]

Nice production!

[@bandeeMC]

I recommend one of the biggest "what if" riders, János Drapál. He's a rider from Hungary (okay I'm biased, since I'm also hungarian🙂), who started as a wildcard, mostly in the smaller classes. From the 20 races he finished he won 4. Unfortunately since he was from behind the Iron Curtain, he didn't had the chance for a full season (founding and even traveling was heavily restricted).

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Thanks for the reccomendation! I'll look into him, I'm Hungarian on my dad's side, that's one of the reasons I chose Marsovsky :)

[@bandeeMC]

That's cool, i was wondering a bit when he came up, not many people remember Marsovszky.

[@bambufan3636]

I would definitely sign a petition urging Dorna to replace sprints with 200 mile races.

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

I'm not saying every weekend but one or two a year and I'd never complain again

[@jacekatalakis8316]

To be fair to Johnny Cecotto, his whole motorcycle career is forgotten due to his exploits on four wheels, really V8 Star champion, Bathurst winner (technically),WTCC winner, BTCC household name and winner, F1 driver. When you got that on your resume, it's kind of overshadowing just what Cecotto did on four wheels. But he did balk at racing bikes at Mount Panorama, but being okay with racing cars there. And the reason I said technicaly a Bathurst winner, he finished first in his class,got the points awarded.You can look up how controversial that 1987 James Hardie 1000 was on your own time

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

I know next to nothing about 4 wheeled racing, but I'm glad he got his flowers somewhere because he absolutely deserves it

[@jacekatalakis8316]

@@TheBeehivePaddock He really does. Same deal with Big John Surtees, more people remember him as an F1 world champion than his bike success. Mike Hailwood is the opposite, though,but as for Cecotto, he took his lumps and got hurt badly in cars,but got his flowers and his titles on two and four wheels. Which makes me wonder, we have Cecotto and Surtees,but what about the opposite. How many four wheel champions switched to two wheels?Michael Schumacher was testing a Superbike in the mid 2000s but nothing came of it,so |I'm curious how many four wheel champions made the switch to motorcycle racing

[@timobolka1]

​@@TheBeehivePaddockeverybody remembers super touring cars very fondly of the late 90s, and given he won thr German Touring Car Championship (STW), you can see that he's highly rated in that world as well. It honestly caught me off guard when I saw his name here, I thought it was a different Johnny lol (coming from someone that hasn't watched a single moto GP race in full, but simply enjoy your videos).

[@mathisp2]

Great video

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@ThePenout]

Fr. I love this channel so much. Vids are imo never biased, great content, chill vibes. And most importantly its real organic content that is not just ai generated. I was contemplating creating a motogp channel because there was no content like this on youtube.. keep it up beehive 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Yeah I wanted more than just the AI slop that MotoGP fans get, and then I realized I could just do it myself. I like to think I'm a neutral fan but who really is? Appreciate the support!

[@MatthewRitter-u9x]

Could be get a race recap after this weekend?

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

I don't really have time for race recaps, but I'm planning a season recap for this year

[@Top_gear2021]

Second and Aye maaaaa been uploaded another masterpiece

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Always awesome to see your comment! Glad you enjoyed the vid!

[@Top_gear2021]

​@@TheBeehivePaddockAnd I'm glad to see ur uploads bro, keep ur nose to the grindstone and you'll get somewhere.

[@stuartholding6067]

Great video that I enjoyed watching, but Jim Redman and Johnny Cecotto as forgotten riders ??? That's a bit of a stretch. I asked around my bike group and most people remember them. But then we're all at the older end of the age spectrum. Maybe that's the reason.

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

That's probably it. I'm basing forgotten off of what I see online a lot of the time in terms of discussion and my group. Obviously, I'm on the younger side, so my perception is just as skewed, but I almost never see these guys talked about online or by younger fans. (Well, apparently Cecotto is pretty famous as an auto racer, but that's not the focus)

[@TheNfurter]

KTM was never building engines for Proton. 🤔The engines for the KR3 were built by Modenas. At this time KTM built a 2-cylinder 4-stroke 1000cc engine, the RC8. All other KTM engines were single cylinder 2- and 4-stoke bikes. Single cylinder 2-strokes were build for the 125cc Championship competing from 2003 on. And in 2005 there was a 250cc race bike with 2 cylinders, but never a 500cc engine. And if JMcW laped only half a second slower than Mick Doohan, he knew a short-cut. 😆 But damn good content, thx Please do a video 'bout Ex-Riders leading a race team like KR, Lucio Ceccinello, Jorge Martinez, Agostini, Nieto, Gresini, Rossi..... cheers

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Great info! My biggest blind spot is the technical side, it just goes in one ear and out the other for me no matter how much I try and learn. I never could have told you about the engine discrepancy. I've been thinking about making a video like that, or just about riders who stayed in the sport in other ways like Simon Crafar.

[@ajik-ruijie]

Can you make a video about motogp decade recap like motogp in 2010s for example😊

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

That could be really interesting

[@ajik-ruijie]

@@TheBeehivePaddock yes

[@tomikos]

Where is Alex Barros >:( JK nice vid m8!

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

I considered him but thought he was a little too well known for this video. If I make a follow up he's in it though, incredible rider!

[@tomikos]

@TheBeehivePaddock Behold the glorious hertiage of his late 2002 races with the rcv, so sad that yamaha and honda sucked that hard the following seasons and he is not particularly the most consistent rider.

[@PebelWasTaken]

2014 was a decade ago. That's quite a long time ago now.

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Yeah, it seems crazy to think about and I'm not even that old yet, it doesn't seem that long ago until I think about where I actually was in 2014

[@dougiequick1]

Pedrosa, Biaggi, Mamola, Dovi and Gibernau. as future subjects for such videos?

[@hermansliepen9389]

findlay drove also the Jawa 350 /4

[@dougiequick1]

Whichever class turns fastest lap times? IMHO? THAT is "The Premier Class" .....PERIOD!

[@lipsee100]

I thought I knew mucho about GP riders careers and Wold Champions,,turns out I do not !! Yeah I learned something,,,, My only claim to fame is I went to Daytona 1976. Iv subbed

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

I'm so jealous! A 70s Daytona 200 is near the top of my list if I ever get a time machine lol

[@lipsee100]

@@TheBeehivePaddock Must be my age ,,it was 77,,Stevie Baker won.... it was my 1st time in America ,,Great memories

[@tootall222]

I never knew there was an FIM maximum age limit. If you’re quick enough why does age matter?

[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Not sure of the actual ruling, but I have to assume it's a safety thing. Cognitive processing speeds go down and injury rates go up over time. I agree with you, nobody is going to employ someone in the modern day unless they're still capable of competing at a top level anyway, so it seems redundant.

[@dougiequick1]

2:00 "Linto"? was Bultaco?

[@LesSharp]

Bill Ivy

[@lesterbuckman5493]

I would love you to cover the KIwi Ken Newcombe who died racing at Oxford 1973 season after the clerk Vernon Cooper ( May burn in hell) refused to place hay balls in front of a wall at Stowe corner ! to much effort for him the prick! Kim developed from a 500 cc German Konig outboard motor a winning competitive machine. Such an unnecessary loss to gran pre racing RIP Kim

[@dougiequick1]

So many factors can deny the actual literal BEST rider from prevailing in whatever series including various things out of ones control or pretty much out of ones control including in no particular order one's natural overal health despite every effort to maintain that to maximum, crashes caused by others totally out of one's control as racde bikes dont even have a rear view mirror! Not to mention the comparitive abilities of the motorcycle one is stuck with (even blindsided by advances in competion no one saw coming!) which I include the budget and personnel available to tune and maintain such...how many individuals MIGHT easily have been world champion save one factor out of their control? Unforseeable things even ? You have to admit racing can always depend a bit (even quite a bit) on bold faced LUCK even defeating the best efforts of the most talented well funded best suported riders EVEN if unquestionably riding the very best motorcyce! File such things under "aint life an Fing b!tch sometimes?"

[@Team-fabulous]

Emm... Any racers pre 2002 aren't MotoGP riders.....

[@cadenruff2123]

Will mir go down as forgotten?? He’s probably one of the worst champions no hate but he’s not even top ten in talent and barily was when he won And also. I’ve met Jeremy McWilliams at a motoamerica event. He rides in a few classes there he’s even won a few races. Cool to see him still racing 😊

[@Jakeyboiplayz]

Well, he could be forgotten, but he's not one of the worst champions. In 2020, Mir won because of consistency (even though he was mostly lucky of Quartararo making mistakes), but still, Mir can contend, if he had the competitive bike and a bike that fits his riding style well.

[@Jakeyboiplayz]

but, since 2021, he fell off for some reason, maybe because of a big crash. But still, if Mir has that good bike, he can contend if he can get off that rust on him that got him in '22-'24.

[@cadenruff2123]

I wasent saying he’s the worst as in he sucks. More like lucky. But being on Honda is a career killer at this point. I always liked mir but I just feel like there’s so much talent in motogp that he probably won’t get a chance on a better bike.

[@Jakeyboiplayz]

@@cadenruff2123 well in some or probably most cases he was lucky, but there were races where he is good in that Suzuki because the Suzuki was quick and fitted both his and Rins' riding style.

[@JustmeandB]

John Surtees….only f1 and motorcycle world champion…..

[@dougiequick1]

I guess I am predudiced and I am sorry but 50cc world champions just kind of fail to impress me...I mean a lot of that racing is dog butt slow! I am guessing the biggest danger was that tiny piston welding itself to the cylinder wall in a sweeper with unsafe runoff? Kinda almost glorified bicycles compared to fast classes? And while I loved me some smokers back in the day? 50cc expansion chamber sound track? downright annoying!

[@riverkelly7747]

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[@TheBeehivePaddock]

Hi River