Minoru Maeda vs Masaki Sato

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Minor correction, Minrou Maeda also solo animated Dragon Ball Z's first opening and Hiashi Eguchi confirmed that the piccolo at 6:06 was his.

[@SSGFlare]

Ight

[@wormHD]

Sato is definitely in my in my top 3 dbz animators for sure. In my opinion his work fit Dragon Ball Z the most when the manga used lots of hatching. I usually don't like it when the characters are too angular/rough but with Sato it's an exception because of the really good lines and shading.

[@SonGoku_23]

Who are your 2 other favorites?

[@wormHD]

@@SonGoku_23 Nakatsuru and Masunaga

[@SonGoku_23]

@@wormHD Cool, they’re awesome

[@IJC144]

Always liked Sato to be supervisor, no episode cokes close to Episode 64 until Cockpit in the buu saga. Maeda always had trouble catching up with the new style but He nailed The Vegeta manga he did 🔥🔥🔥 both talented Relics

[@bulldawg986]

Link to the vegeta manga plz

[@billfox847]

Episode 120 looked pretty good too

[@IJC144]

@@bulldawg986 Vegeta's crazy fan - Tumblr Vegeta's crazy fan - This is the official Vegeta side story ...

[@j04370859]

You're right about Maeda, not catching up to the evolving style, the first King Piccolo vs Goku episode, was the best example of that. Masaki was really accurate to the manga look, Goku looked older, more mature and a bit slimmer, while in the next episode, he's back to looking cute and stubby, even when I first watched it as a kid, I noticed this lol

[@robin1418]

Sato as Supervisor + Eguchi as Key Animator is my dream combo. Nakatsuru is also fantastic, and Yamamuro in his prime in the early-mid 90s was god like.

[@philthestampede]

Part of why Namek felt like such a drag was because episode 64 was so fucking awesome. To build to that and then drop off hard again felt like great action was stretched far apart.

[@princeali7871]

Maeda definitely draws the better Bulma

[@turbotrup96]

Wait, Masaki Sato is a man or not? You refer to him as he, but clearly show a pic of some woman at the beginning...

[@Uncuepa]

sato is a legend, he's also super friendly on twitter which is just lovely!

[@RetroDanielX]

In my opinion Masaki Sato is my favorite of all the animators within Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z, I like how dynamic, fresh and very unique type of drawing he had.

[@mechajay3358]

I really like Meada's art for being so expressive and for how his work as character designer would define Dragon Ball's look up until the Cell arc and. For Sato I also really enjoyed his art for being a really detailed with the hatching and his effects work that made the fight scenes more visually engaging. If I had to choose I leaned more towards Sato's work, though that isn't to take away Meada's importance to the series visuals.

[@derekstepan3888]

Great video!!! So enjoyable to watch and always learning new things. I really love both of their work. I really love how expressive Maeda can be with the faces (See Goku's clenched teeth while he brings ki from his fist down in the Cha La Opening)! Both have rougher line art during that 1988-1990 period. Dead Zone's art is my ideal look to DBZ overall with the Recoome vs Vegeta episode right up there. I do love Sato just as much with his bold line work and amazing understanding of volume and anatomy. His timing for animation I really enjoy as well. Dream team, I really can't pick a favourite. I also think Maeda allowing his team's art shine through is one of the best things an art director can do. Really a based move for lack of better terms haha

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks and definitely agree, I still have a soft spot for the art style in Dead Zone!

[@EnoYaka]

I really like Sato's Bulma, I really wish she did more on the series.. His style along with Yuya Takahashi and a few others really hit the spot for me.

[@peacegaming9428]

masaki sato is a male or female 0:13

[@EnoYaka]

@@peacegaming9428 she's a woman

[@pauljordan5318]

@@peacegaming9428 masaki sato is a dude

[@AlessandroZR7]

My favorite dbz art ova 2, for me this style is almost perfect.

[@jarodk1294]

You got me there, I thought both of them were males, but then pictures showed up so I was confused. Only to later find out that there was some singer going by same name.

[@Annmjpg]

A new Forgotten Relics video to start off my week of school before stuff kicks into maximum overdrive. Thank you for the blessed video 🙏.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

No problem man and all the best this week!

[@sonnywoods6846]

LMAO at the troll at the beginning of the video, showed a picture of the female Pop Singer Masaki Sato instead of the real artist

[@forgottenrelics1197]

glad someone realised hahaha, judging from the comments people thought I was genuine there and now think he's a woman

[@sonnywoods6846]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I'm not saying I know who she is but I had to google him first to find out what her name was to get the joke. There is a reason he posted her picture

[@Fofo-yj4hh]

Sato is really good at drawing dragon ball and his animation on dead zone was really good. He is one of my favourite db animators.

[@specialnewb9821]

I have never been a fan of the Dr Slump rounded style but even putting preference aside I think Sato's work just pops in a way Maeda's doesn't. Though Maeda I think does better in non action scenes. Let's have an entire best Bulma video? She needs more focus than she's gotten since Super's Trunks arc.

[@Esperanto2]

This battle will be legendary!

[@RustyKoi]

One better than the other, but both awesome. I owe some of my favorite childhood DBZ memories to these people.

[@paris-1911]

I really wanna see a video on Tomekichi Takeuchi. Like, the evolution of his work or a VS video. Can you tell I’m into your content?

[@cond.oriano9146]

I like sato more not gonna lie

[@daykuohtwo8422]

I'm always excited when I see an upload from you. Your videos are so informative, educational and relaxing to me, you're not over the top and you're not too low either. You always analyse in the most simple way possible and that makes it easier to follow you're going on about. Your quality seems to be improving as well, so it always feels fresh and new. So in other words, I like your videos and I think they're great lol

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Haha thanks for the positive feedback and the encouraging message!

[@daykuohtwo8422]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Haha no problem. Keep it up!

[@yeepsleep]

Hey man even though you don't have millions of followers I want you to know you are in my top 3 DB channels on KZbin and I recommend you to everyone. I love what you do and I know you will continue to grow because your content fills a particular niche like no one else's.

[@hentai-man1692]

I’m still surprised you don’t have more subs, your vids are so good!

[@nigelgonzalez6088]

Neat vid

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

Where’d you get a translated vegeta manga? You got the piccolo one too?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Of facebook funny enough, although I don't believe it's the full thing -facebook.com/Proudsaiyan/posts/this-is-the-official-vegeta-side-story-published-in-one-of-the-dragon-ball-z-mag/827827443970767/

[@bladerbeast3396]

Hiya

[@Just-A-Bit]

Hey

[@funkadelicchile]

was waiting for this one..

[@akil5695]

I do Agree Toei animation should have let sato supervisor more episode

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

I wish he had done gohan ssj2 transformation and goku ssj2 vegeta ssj2 transformation

[@Da4th4000]

I love these guys works! I wish Sato worked on Dragonball Super and the Broly movie. Imagine how beautiful the art would look if he contributed. His art skills is top notch! I like Maeda's approach of supervising. He let the other animators art shine. He's a pretty great character designer over all.

[@jasonone8726]

Apparently, they did ask him to come back for Broly, but there were scheduling conflicts.

[@Da4th4000]

@@jasonone8726 Oh yeah, I think I did read that from somewhere.

[@AlphaProto]

Excellent video.

[@tommyleyva931]

I love your videos man they feel so important to me as a dragon ball fan

[@animesoundaffects5915]

come on we all know that it’s actually Keisuke Masunaga who drew the best Bulma 0:26

[@ms.antithesis]

Sick

[@KingUkno]

Where r they now cause they definitely not doing super

[@bulldawg986]

Ive never know Sato was a girl this whole time!

[@jasonone8726]

Where did you get that from? Sato is a guy.

[@SomebodySaveRap]

@@jasonone8726 he put a girl as Sato’s picture. I was confused too. Dont know if that was on purpose

[@HistoryandReviews]

@@SomebodySaveRap 😂😂

[@ginta_san]

@@SomebodySaveRap She is also Masaki Sato

[@mika9383]

6:59 Why did Maeda left some parts out in his corrections like the mouth, inside of the ears, and the body?

[@calebcarter8892]

7th

[@rory6483]

Great video as always man!

[@luigividaletti3468]

Amazing video!

[@majidsoprano93]

A few years ago i always used to confuse the works of the two lol i was still new to all of this

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Same haha

[@SuperSaiyanDCG]

Wait Isn't Sato a girl? Why are people referring to her as he?

[@Waqas_Khan02]

He added a wrong image. Instead of animator he put the picture of the pop singer named Masaki Sato 😆😅

[@nossir]

You know an animator is good when they make Bulma look Z Tier

[@SM-ce1uy]

I LOVE Sato's style

[@EnoYaka]

Subbed, can't believe it took me this long to find your channel.. I have such love for dragon ball artists and animators.. I have strong feelings about what it should be like going forward too.. I hate being that attached to a series that I get upset over certain decisions/directions lol

[@demons__1874]

I don’t know you, but I hope you become really successful

[@davidplumadore2589]

Masaki sato is my fav hes art in the saiyan saga is so good as well as first 3 movies thats my favorite look of z is when it still is round and more detail

[@marcusmemelord5589]

Hey man did u listen to my idea to do maeda because if u did thanks for listening

[@senormarston]

2 of my fav style in DBZ; I wish more ep were made by these 2

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Sato is the shingo haraki of dragon ball his art style is perfect for the series

[@brando_draw3951]

It makes me laugh that it puts an image of the president of North Korea

[@Waqas_Khan02]

This is for those who are wondering if Sato is a girl 😆 He has used the wrong pictures of Sato.

[@andiyoyi6953]

Masaki Sato

[@MinhLe19303]

If I'm being honest, I think Uchiyama should step down and let Maeda supervised some of Buu Saga episodes. I'd have his rough and somewhat outdated style over the complete unpolished and failed bad take of Toriyama artstyle from Uchiyama. At least Maeda seems to know what he's doing, he know that he can't keep up with Toriyama's style in Android Saga onward, but he didn't want to make the character didn't look like the current artstyle, so he came up with hybrid approach of early and current artstyle in that era, and it actually worked as the character still look like themselves despite some outdated traits, not weird looking like Uchiyama. His work in Movie 7 was very rough but his last contribution in Trunks OVA and Super Trunks VS Cell episode is actually an improvement.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

They were from two completely different studios though, how would Uchiyana stepping down benefit Maeda? And Maeda had left at the point anyway.

[@MinhLe19303]

@@forgottenrelics1197 What I just meant that he shouldn't be stepping down, even though he couldn't catch up with the artstyle. And if he has to replace someone I just think it should be Uchiyama. Though I didn't account for different studios.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@MinhLe19303 Oh my bad, and when I was referring to Maeda stepping down, I was saying so in the scenario that Sato would replace him in that role which would've been a positive. Again, not saying Maeda is bad, just that it would've been great if Sato had handled more Studio Junio episodes

[@MinhLe19303]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Yeah, I think so. It's a shame that he has to leave DB and work on another series. I heard he became a character designer on a series after Cell Saga, but I kinda think he could just made character designer and be done with it. Nakatsuru, while become a character designer for Buu Saga, had no involvement in animation process. I never see him contributed any key animations and chief supervising in Buu Saga and remaining Z movies.

[@Chris-zs5qb]

Who did DBZ Kai and GT?

[@jasonone8726]

Kai wasn't reanimated, it just had a different color pallet to Z. Nakatsuru was the character designer of GT.

[@jasonone8726]

Kai wasn't reanimated, it just had a different color pallet to Z. Nakatsuru was the character designer of GT.

[@lonelywolfstudios5112]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about how Madea animated dragon balls first opening, and dragon ball z's first opening by himself, the Android arc is when other animators contributed animation for the openings, good video regardless, I've always thought Madea was overrated, even if he was the character designer

[@forgottenrelics1197]

It's because I've never seen anyone credit it to him, I've seen some genga of gohan, but that's it lol. Do you have a source at all linking him to it?

[@lonelywolfstudios5112]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I believe shida said in a tweet Madea animated dbz's first intro by himself when asked if he animated on it

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@lonelywolfstudios5112 That's interesting, could you link the tweet if it's not too much trouble? I've gone through those questions fans sent him back in 2018, and there where some big reveals but I don't remember that one.

[@lonelywolfstudios5112]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I can't find the quote, but I'm pretty sure I remember him saying that, you might have to ask datwerg on Twitter, he'd know for sure

[@kyleh1494]

Ayy Alan Becker

[@thejoeyjoey]

sato and maeda. oppa

[@superapa]

i like Maedo more..

[@abramrodriguez700]

Masaki is the best

[@KingUkno]

I hate super art

[@Amplifymagic]

it's pronounced Mo-mo-seh btw

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Ahh true, I was going of how it was pronounced on this site haha -www.howtopronounce.com/momose

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

I still stick Maeda, he brought us Sato and did a lot in DB and DBZ. And for the question is Keisuke Masunaga, because he was the best in drawing girls.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yep hard to beat Masunaga in that area haha.

[@jasonone8726]

That doesn't make him better, you might as well say, modern Yamamuro is better than Shintani, because he did a lot more with DB.

[@vinceamaro1382]

Hi, ForgottenRelics. Can you make a video about Takeo Ide? I think he's underrated.

[@ZZtheDark]

4:26, wait..there was a side story for Veggie? 7:09,ohhhh mama~ 10:50,me gusta~ 👌😎

[@0predaking0]

Man Masking Sato it's an awesome evolution from Madea style, gotta said I love her style

[@gabrielsyme4550]

Imagine choosing to animate Cell instead of Bulma 😂😂😂

[@peacegaming9428]

0:13 masaki sato is a girl, really?

[@Waqas_Khan02]

He added an image of a singer instead of animator

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Masaki sato is the most underrated animator and directors he made an episode looks like a movie in quality in just 3 weeks

[@stevenarttv9970]

i think u mistaken masaki sato singer to masaki sato animator in the pics u showed

[@thadexverse2259]

Masaki is a woman

[@Waqas_Khan02]

Yes she is a singer.

[@adilator]

You'd think that someone who makes videos about Japanese artists would take a few minutes to learn how to pronounce Japanese names/words correctly... but no.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Ahhh I do lol, I'm always pouring through "how to pronounce" videos. Even so, I'll still get stuff wrong, what did I mispronounce?

[@chronic-joker]

your audio at the end was sort of static-ish on my end just a little you might wanna check that.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

At the start it was for sure, didn't think it was at the end tho

[@misterio337]

Didn't sato was a she? Then why are you saying he?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Sato's a guy lol, his real pic is at 5:16

[@TheFPSGaming1]

do you have a source on the storyboard delay?

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Transcript from an interview in 2018 -www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41589

[@victormanuelperez92]

We love u bro!

[@pioneerrocket22]

Maeda is horrible. Sato is some chad tier fr.

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

Well I don’t really care for either of them considering I was never a huge fan of how dragon ball looks before the Cell and Buu saga but if I would have to choose which was actually better i say Sato

[@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688]

@𝕁𝕦𝕦𝕓 no I’m not saying I don’t like the animation it’s just the art style of the kind of unappealing to me

[@MinhLe19303]

@@supersubatomicsonicgenerat4688 Yeah, I'm not a big fan of artstyle before Cell Saga as well. That's why I don't really like Shintani because his art looks like older styles of that time.

[@jasonone8726]

Sorry but it's impossible not to care for Sato's art style, he was pretty much vintage Toriyama animated, with how accurate his scenes were, compared to the manga, though slightly better. If you didn't like his style, then you didn't Toriyama's peak as an artist, which I would say the end of the original DB to the Frieza saga.

[@MinhLe19303]

@@jasonone8726 No, Toriyama's peak, at least in DB, should be Cell Saga.

[@MinhLe19303]

@𝕁𝕦𝕦𝕓 Yeah, I meant it like OG Dragon Ball, which is an artstyle that I'm not too fond of. It's not that I hate Shintani's style, at least he style is a more in-line successor to OG DB artstyle, and there are few traits that I prefered more than Frieza Saga artstyle.