Dragon Ball Z VS Naruto - Action Animation

Dragon Ball Z and Naruto are two series known and loved for their energetic battle sequences. Ironically the way the staff of each went around crafting such battles couldn't be more different
Animators like Kazuya Hisada, Masahiro Shimanuki, Naoki Tate, Isao Sugimoto, Masaaki Iwane, and Keisuke Masunaga would draw heavy inspiration from Yoshinori Kanada's style of action; heavy frame modulation, wide spacing, detailed effects work and many more features.
While Naruto's top action animators such as Atsushi Wakabayashi and Norio Matsumoto were flow animators first and foremost. Their focus was on motion above all else and reducing the amount of detail in their designs to give a looser feel.
So join me today as we dissect both schools of thought and the endless appeal behind them.
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[@Dontdoit_]

I think this goes to reenforce that we need to not judge everything on the same grading scale. Both style have their own perks and uniqueness

[@forgottenrelics1197]

exactly

[@moosesues8887]

Ninja battles and dogfights, they are hella different

[@SteadiedMoney]

Ayo you off a perc too?.

[@bwaynetheappal6564]

Dragon ball can still wipe the floor with Naruto

[@amuroray9115]

DBZ reuses animation so much more and looks more stiff to me. I say this as someone who grew up on DBZ. No offense to anyone

[@DUDEGUY-de4zt]

I feel so emotional thinking of the thought and energy people put into for a 3 second action

[@orbboom6119]

Animation truly is one of the peak inventions of human history. Such an ardous task but makes some of the most visually beautiful experiences we can have.

[@kubikim]

@@orbboom6119 Boy am I in love. I want to make animation my wife.

[@dairyqueenrestaurant8800]

@@orbboom6119 Word!!

[@Snaggums]

Excellent breakdown of these animation philosophies. As a kid, I was huge into DBZ, but fell out of anime around the time Naruto came around. Later, I discovered some of the fight scenes from Naruto, and was blown away by how fluid the fights were, and how well choreographed everything felt. I couldn't put words to why I thought it looked so cool, I just knew it was different.

[@JustAsh001]

Tbh i am at ep 53 of Naruto the animation at this point it not that great compared to what dbz was showing in earlier episodes like the battle with raditz and goku vs vegeta but idk i haven't seen the full series yet but at this point dbz is definitely looking better for me

[@aplotholesfiller8827]

@@JustAsh001 Ehhhh, i would say certain points of Naruto are definetly superior to the best animated DBZ moments, the last Zabuza episode, Sasuke vs Orochi or Rock Lee vs Gaara are waaay better animated than most of the DBZ figths. The artwork is usually less polished in Naruto tho, mostly because the desings are more complex, (just compare Goku eyes with Narutos)XD. The two are good tho.

[@TomaToma999]

@@aplotholesfiller8827 lmao dbz fights are way better the animations in naruto were so bad

[@malekat8539]

@@aplotholesfiller8827 how you can say that the character designs are more complex... good lord Animation wise. Can't tell, but It's preference to me there.

[@kategutib2772]

i mean cmon now comparing db to naruto?? bro db fights literally is as fast of the speed of light

[@hawshimagical]

one thing i really loved about dragon ball animations is the environment. other than land destruction, some cuts would focus on plants, animals, or weather, making things feel atmospheric. a great example of this in naruto shipudden was the infamous naruto vs pain fight. although its criticised for taking the character distortions to the extreme, it really blew me away at how grand and worldly it felt. it tries to be the best of both worlds, and it was actually the first animation that really got me to notice the concept of different animation styles at all.

[@trevinodude]

Personally I always thought the more extreme character distortions in the Naruto vs Pain fight truly sold the speed at which they were moving, especially with Pain being more on the defensive and forced to flee more from Nine Tailed powered Naruto’s grasp.

[@hawshimagical]

@@trevinodude yeah, such a big difference from the typical character brawl

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

@@hawshimagical its so unique im really glad they did that.

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

@@trevinodude yeh goes to show how scared pain was. The focus was on the speed in which pain was trying to escape.

[@chineseducksauce9085]

@@HassanAhmed-rf9xr Pain wasn't scared what are you talking about? 😂

[@nightlydata2181]

Both styles are hella fitting for their respective shows and this vud shows that. Also smart doin a comparison with DBZ & Naruto to help ease the transition to other series I'm excited for more

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Agreed! And yeah I thought it would be a good way to mark the transition, somewhat of a conclusion of Dragon Ball Z's action style while venturing into different series.

[@bk-sl8ee]

@@forgottenrelics1197 so your are telling me db can even get better!!!!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@bk-sl8ee huh?

[@sasukenagashi57]

WHen I was younger I always use to call the highly animated naruto episodes back then "weirdly drawn" episodes because they always were very few and in between and always looked vastly different from the rest of the series. Fucking loved those episodes

[@straightjacket308]

Naruto's fighting styles are hypnotizing while Dragon Ball Z fighting styles really emphasize the weight behind the technique. I do love the detail that goes into the "Flow Animation" though! I honestly can't choose one that's better since both are just as good but also are so different. I can see the force that you referenced to with the Sasuke vs Orochimaru fight! Absolutely beautiful!

[@dexter8584]

FINALLY!! An intelligent individual speaks on this subject. A real contrast without all the idiotic power scaling trying to prove who's the greater character when they don't even belong in the same universe. Great video.

[@Waqas_Khan02]

I hate these powerscaling video

[@DankMayogetsnogirls]

Yes, I was just thinking of Naruto and DBZ's differing animation philosophies yesterday. Glad you were the man to make an in-depth dissection of them!

[@bk-sl8ee]

Same

[@jumbojohn890]

Lookin back it seems Masumoto loves animating sasuke gettin beat up

[@Lill0fD]

This channel did make me appreciate the Kanada style a bit more than I did before. I am grateful for this, but I am excited to see more Flow School stuff as well, since that's always been more of my favorite form of animation.

[@jimbosam]

Glad to see you are venturing into more anime, would love too see more types of these videos. Anyway keep up the amazing content💯💪

[@forgottenrelics1197]

More to come!

[@alexlovehall7796]

Honestly this is one of your best edited videos yet, I learned alot of the process, direction and techniques from this video as well as the fact it’s ok to like both schools for different fight scene types. I’d add links to the individual people you’ve covered in the description and other than that, keep up the great work

[@forgottenrelics1197]

That's great to hear :)

[@benalexander4803]

This video is such a good segway into you exploring new content on your channel. I absolutely love your breakdowns of animation and as long as you keep that passion you had in your dbz videos I'll always have the bell notifications on for you! Great stuff man!

[@anlexaify]

I like how this is more of a breakdown of the two different and distinct schools of thought instead of a comparison. Great stuff as always.

[@ty.phonic]

this awesome. so glad to see you venturing into different topics!

[@nazarenomilohanich4883]

This was a super informative video, definitely one of your best! One of the things I love the most about animation is how it can allow for such drastically different approaches to the very same actions depending on the people behind it. As someone looking to get into the industry one day, I cannot thank you enough for putting into words the large differences between these 2 equally awesome approaches to action animation. Now I feel like I understand quite a bit more of the basics that go into designing an action sequence (with a certain style), plus theres some cool animators you showcased that I want to look into more into myself lmao Also, its really fun to see your takes on other shows besides DB as well, looking forward to whatever franchise you decide to tackle next

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yesss it's exactly what makes anime so fun is the variety in stylistic approaches (at least for me lol). I'm happy the video was useful!

[@trevinodude]

As someone who has been a fan of both Naruto and Dragon Ball Z for pretty much all of my life, it’s amazing to finally hear about the different approaches to each series fight scenes. Both Naruto and Dragon Ball has captivated me time and time again with their amazing fight scenes but one always seemed more fluid and the other more structured and rigid, and it’s nice to finally get an explanation for that. It’s amazing how different schools of thought can still turn out to have equally amazing results for vastly different reasons. Animation is far more interesting than some ppl give it credit for.

[@mechajay3358]

I'll say that Naruto's flow school animations are more unique compared to Z's. Though that doesn't take away from Z's Kanada type of a animation.

[@broken75.20]

OG Dragon Ball has a even worse animations than Z.

[@Crow-st5rl]

That's because Dbz was made in 90s and Naruto in early 2000. Studio pierrot did a great job at animating the messy Naruto manga. Toei also did good for it's time but when you watch og and z now, it's terrible aside from some scenes and the original music(not that crappy falcouner music). If we're talking about manga only, Og db got better choreography than Naruto, and Z portion of the db manga obliterate's both Naruto and og db in terms choreography, paneling, fight's etc. Db manga is a masterpiece (specially the Z portion) and you should definitely read it.

[@philswift8793]

​@@Crow-st5rl I was bout to agree but then you dissed falconer music

[@Dayz671]

@@Crow-st5rl What Faclouner music is awesome the hell you talking about? That music gave me chills. Especially when Vegeta, came in the final Kamehameha vs cell.

[@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou]

@@Crow-st5rl you’re comment was good until you discredited the faulconer ost, you’re opinion is now invalid

[@e1622zelda]

Great video! Your gonna hit The algorithm eventually and be in the millions!

[@JoshKaito]

Great video! It's so interesting to see where all the "best fights" people reference come from. Your intro hit me in the Aussie schoolyard nostalgia. I was always more of a DBZ kid and remember even thinking that Naruto ripped off Goku's style when I first saw that orange+blue combo.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

I was the exact same haha, Sasuke's blue and white fit as well looked like it was ripped of Vegeta's Buu arc unifrom palette haha

[@QuintaEtSexta]

Excellent video, that finally explained the two philosophies in a way that makes it easy to understand! More videos like this please! More Naruto! or One piece maybe? ^^

[@AlexDaeling]

i was expecting a low quality video when i clicked on this, some fan animation where they fight. but i was pleasantly surprised with this. good video. you're doing great

[@capitatecab6049]

I love these videos, always have something to learn from these Keep it up man

[@robertosinger5727]

This channel is fantastic. This is my second video and I'm already sucked in. No filler script whatsoever, every moment matters. I'm really glad your channel exists.

[@rarecrom]

you’re one of my favorite youtubers, glad you’re growing

[@HeavenlyMangaL]

I am so happy that you are covering more animes now. I would love to see similiar videos for different animes! 🔥🔥

[@grantwilliams93]

Thank you for not just talking about Norio Matsumoto when you covered naruto. I'd love more naruto videos covering all the sakuga fights throughout.

[@countkungus8238]

This was a really great watch I’m glad I got to see you talk about naruto in such detail! I would really like to see some of your own art every now and then as well as I can’t remember ever having been able to

[@The_Man_Who_Sold_the_World.]

Omg, I've been wanting to see a video like this for a long time!

[@hattoripool1533]

These fight scenes must have been a pain to draw back in the day

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Animated fights still are. A lot of the animators mentioned still use paper and pencil.

[@222LoneWolf]

This whole breakdown is excellent, but I particularly love how almost the whole first half of the video can also be described as an extremely detailed montage of how much thought and effort was put into Sasuke getting his lights punched out. Very relaxing.

[@joshuacarlisle9901]

Would love to see your take on the mix of hand drawn and CGI in shows like Demon Slayer! Great video. Hoping your channel continues to grow

[@franky1882]

that was really cool, great work man

[@realityxdream]

great video I loved how you broke each animation style down.

[@Justanidea5976]

First off, great video! I love the Naruto and DBZ fights a lot. Just a little criticism, I think it would be helpful if there were pictures along with the names of the animators/ directors you mention, mainly because their names have so many vowels they kind of all blend together]. But it would also help with immersion as well.

[@The_Endless_Sponge]

Rockstar Educator! Subscribed. Could you do a case study on western action animation? In the DC Animated Universe, there were many japanese studios that worked on Batman: The Animated Series, and I’m pretty sure Superman: The Animated Series. Either way, thanks for your time; looking forward to more content.

[@clementlassalle4317]

Great video, super interesting stuff once again

[@aagamer43]

Let’s be honest we both know their still awesome (most of the time)

[@JRDNCAT]

Really like this format and style of video! Would be awesome if you could cover more Naruto and 90's Hunter X Hunter!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks and I'll definitely be getting to hxh 99 soon enough 👀

[@UnspokenAnime]

My favourite video you’ve done so far !!!

[@magnawaves]

Very pleasantly surprised to learn that the same person did those particular scenes from YYH and Naruto. Those episodes always blew my mind with how much crazy and smooth movement there was, and I'm a big fan of the rounder look in motion. In my own work in the past I definitely stuck to the DBZ style in this video with a much stronger emphasis on very on model key frames and less overall animations. It has been several years since I took art seriously, and videos like these get that old fire burning

[@belikediogenes]

Great explanation about the Kanada School!

[@drewsipherthehedgehog388]

for me personally,this was the most interesting and entertaining video from u i have ever seen

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks, I put a lot of time into it so I appreciate that :)

[@Secarstra777]

Great video man subbed fs

[@platinumnovawarriorrx20-en57]

cool comprehensive breakdown! it was like a documentary about the animation of DBZ & Naruto, I wanted to play it on the tv while my fam chilled in our hotel room. There was no way to project the image from my phone, rip.

[@LowellLucasJr.]

In the end...its all about throwing some hands and the awesome animators behind them. Whether its flashy or flowing...both are exciting to watch!

[@phillipjohnson8903]

super insightful, I'm grateful for this channel

[@IriaChannel]

Always disliked flow school style, but once in awhile it's fun to watch do to the inherent creativity in the approach. I think at times it strays way too far from model sheets and basic anatomy. The kanada school is more my style with its powerful keyframes.. and I feel it worked so well for Dragon Ball because it really emphasized the power of the characters. The animation style really matched the narrative, with things being explosive and hard hitting. As someone who's done combat sports for almost 30 years, we try to purify our technique so that each punch and kick has perfect form, with no slack or slop.. when I watch Goku fighting in Kanada style, it feels like a masterful martial artist who's drilled the same technique thousands of times and perfected it. An interesting thought exercise is to imagine Naruto and Dragon Ball reverse their animation styles. I have a feeling each show would've been less impactful, because the animation styles for each really matched their narratives well.

[@tiltedxfn3635]

Never read a more factual comment. Props to you, couldn't of said it any better.

[@Jay_Hendrix]

Inspirational! Thanks for the break down!

[@eazybaby5094]

This was so interesting and explains why YYH, Naruto, and others are visually some of my favsq. I love DBZ, but must admit that imagining it in the flow style is dream like

[@diegobarreto3010]

The flow style kinda happens in Dragon Ball Super and I dont think it fits DB very well. That is why DBZ still feels more impactful on every punch and that is what made it famous.

[@eazybaby5094]

@@diegobarreto3010 idk, cuz Super: Broly was more flow, and was fire for it 🔥

[@emilyfree4732]

This video was uploaded on my birthday.. gonna watch the entire thing

[@craigime]

very nice breakdown... sad to say i don't know many of these anime apart from the well-known ones like akira and yu yu hakusho

[@MegaDrainProductions]

I love the two examples you used of punches were both different scenes of Sasuke getting his clock cleaned.

[@e1622zelda]

I will say that Naruto did sacrifice detailed characters that morphed a bit too much in order to convey the insane amount of movement in the Animation sometimes. . Love them both in different ways.

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

can you name a few?

[@mrme.484]

@@HassanAhmed-rf9xr the most popular one, naruto vs pain.

[@xoire9754]

It didn't "sacrifice" anything - it is an objectively positive style choice that is lost on anime poindexters who think they understand art, but have really just arbitrarily decided to fixate on something to project the idea that they have some expertise on a subject in which they really know nothing about. Every idiot on KZbin cites the Pain fight, animated by a legendary figure in the industry, which very well may be the best work he's ever done. For some reason, people seem to think that these were animation errors that they were too lazy to clean up. Hearing people pontificate on that fight is like watching a group's reaction to a joke that they didn't understand - everyone scrambling to point out the flaw in someone's reasoning when they were actually being witty.

[@e1622zelda]

@@xoire9754 wow, jezz dude. Yea the pain fight looked great, and pausing inbetweens is dumb, lol. pain just happens to have some of the funniest in between shots ever. that does not take away from the amazing animation. By sacrifice I mean haveing less detail in order to make it easier for the animators to convey movement for certain parts. I am an Artist and Animator btw lol. Also Animation and 3d modeling degree. Classic 1940's disney, hana barbara era, fletcher, 1980's Anime classics, ive seen em all. Also they were on time tables when making Naruto like most anime, that also effects the amount of detail. If they would have paid the guy good and given him more time, the pain fight would have looked twice as good as it already did.

[@maxmulli759]

What a fricken amazing video, id love to see more like this

[@seankkg]

I always liked when the colors got muted and the shading suddenly looked a lot less detailed in Naruto. That probably sounds negative but I actually liked that look. The big action scenes always had that and I thought it looked nicer than the average anime look the other scenes have.

[@diogomata2438]

Masterpice of vídeo. We need more of this to understand the animators

[@richboss_]

Oh man what a great video. I just finished my first viewing of Naruto and those three episodes were the ones that stood out the most animation wise. Currently watching DB for the first time and your video only made me more hyped to see what's next. You just ganged a new sub.

[@Waqas_Khan02]

Have you completed naruto? How far have you watched Dragon Ball?

[@richboss_]

@@Waqas_Khan02 I'm currently at the end of classic Naruto. I have maybe 20-30 episodes left bc I decided to watch the fillers and movies. And im at episode 31 of Dragon Ball, right after the first tournament when Goku grows his tail back. Saw some episodes as a kid with trunks in them so I'm super excited to reach whatever saga that is.

[@Waqas_Khan02]

@@richboss_ I have watched some clips of OG dragon here and there on there I will watch it someday again. Currently I am Watching Naruto(Part1) Watch the 38 episodes and looking forward to how story will go. So far I have enjoyed The Forest of Death Part the most. This is my first time I have seen something that created suspense and pressure.

[@richboss_]

@@Waqas_Khan02 That's great!! Dragon Ball is a very fun watch!! I love Goku and the gang. And Naruto is great. Imo it gets better with every arc. The last part of the chunin exams is insanely good. Episode 80 has stuck with me since I watched it, it's beautiful. To me the best arc of classic Naruto is the last one with the fight between Sasuke and Naruto. It's the longest and it brings a lot of growth to many characters. Not only does it have insane animation but it's very emotional too. Hope you'll enjoy it as much as I did!!

[@Waqas_Khan02]

@@richboss_ The only problem with Dragon Ball is that I have watched it out of order as I got to know the whole story from DBZ devolution fanmade game.😅 Super is the anime that I have watched in order. I am also watching DBZ Kai in Dub to fill up the missing pieces. After I am done with Naruto I will watch OG OG DB again in Subtitles to onow the original story more. And Yeah Naruto Episodes 34 is my favorite so far the way Sasuke woke up and then suddenly he act murderous😈 was 🔥🔥. It give me those Majin Vegeta vibes. Orochimaru is one of the villain that freaked me alot more than Freeza. He is my no.1 villain right now. One thing I liked about him is that not only he tortured the heros mentally he created so much horrific vibes that even I who doesn't know about him and watching him for the first time Naruto freaked me out.

[@andrewcurtis6370]

Appreciate the overview style video

[@superpipi1330]

I'm sure people recently getting into the community love videos like this. I know I would ❤️

[@SOLO.DANDELION]

Thank you for your work, I think I'll learn a lot.

[@davionfowler2393]

My boi great to see another vid 🐐🫱🏽‍🫲🏾

[@qva4318]

I would love to see you break down the lows and the highs of Black Clover, and what happened at behind the scenes which lead to staff members to work in such harsh deadlines/conditions

[@deadlypop3799]

great work!

[@Kadss]

Great VIDEO

[@mbappiani5809]

Great video!!!

[@divinicron5454]

Fantastic video as always! What is your favorite Non-Japanese animations/cartoons?

[@LOLQ9000]

Soo good , pls do more videos like this!🙏

[@forgottenrelics1197]

thanks :)

[@shunkun8668]

Could you cover some of Bleach animation as well? I'd like to see you analyse fights like Grimmjow vs Ichigo (part 3) and a lot of other cool ones

[@Static1Bolt]

Would love to see more about HxH and YYH. Super interesting stuff!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Currently writing a video on HxH so it will come sooner than later haha

[@Static1Bolt]

@@forgottenrelics1197 You the man 💯

[@whatanonsense856]

Thank you very much for all the information, and all the artist's names! I got especially giddy when I read the name of Spencer Wan at 9:47 ; one of my personal favorites 😁 That being said, I would very much like to know if I got the name at around 0:42 right: Is that "Matteo Waltz"?

[@DragonBall-Manga-1984]

Awesome 👌

[@runbaa9285]

I think it's important to distinguish that Naruto, at its core, is a martial arts flick with supernatural elements. Dragon Ball may have started that way, but it has since evolved into a superhero flick with martial arts elements, especially in DBZ and DBS. Naruto sells more on the movements hence the fluidity, while Dragon Ball nowadays sells more on impacts, hence the bombastic nature of it all. If we equate it to a more Westernized example, if there was an anime based around a cosmic-level Marvel characters like Thor or Sentry, Dragon Ball's style of animation would suit it more (I know there was that card anime thing Toei made, but it's really more of a merch-ad type of show). Someone like Spider-Man would probably benefit more from the fluid style of Naruto.

[@griffinstation5376]

Great video 👍

[@Pedro-cm7eu]

amazing video

[@sharingansasuke5]

It definitely shows that naruto combat feels *agile* due to the emphasis on fluidity and motions while dragon ball feels *powerful* due to its emphasis on key frames. Fitting for the depiction of ninjas vs raw martial artists in my opinion. Great video again!

[@terrydubuisson4209]

I've never watched Naruto, but how you explained it's animation makes me want to watch it

[@dbog5214]

You won't regret it. (Part 1 that is).

[@SuperVegotta]

Dont listen to DBOG you might enjoy everything or you maybe wont. But dont worry , Part 2 is excellent aswell! I would even prefer it but i Love Naruto in General. Give it a try , its really great Overall!

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

Even up until Boruto to a point I liked. This was when Boruto just came out and we got the OLDER Kawaki v Boruto. The summoning arc was the first notable thing for me (the class president was it kumine ?). After that some sick scenes but overall decline.

[@Apexcellence.]

You should search up Naruto Filler list before you do, there’s episodes that aren’t part of the story

[@draccuzer]

Yeah, Naruto in general is a pretty good show provided that you skip the fillers. The fillers are just too damn awful so I suggest you find some guides or list of filler so you can skip it.

[@jackthegreek6092]

I would live to see a Dragon Ball fight by Norio Matsumoto. Simplified models always compliment Dragon Ball anyway and it would be cool to see more realistic martial arts movement.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Same haha, would be so cool to see a legend like that touch the series. And considering Dragon Ball's 2d designs with Shintani have moved to simplicity, they would pair well together :)

[@jackthegreek6092]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Seeing him touch something like Tien vs Goku would be a real treat I think. Which one? Yes.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@jackthegreek6092 Yesss that fight is severely underrated and his style of action would fit great with that era.

[@Puff_the_Tuff]

I was just thinking about these twos animation.

[@ultimaweapon6]

This was a very interesting video

[@theavatar9191]

Imma cry whenever there's KZbin animation breakdown content like this for Avatar the Last Airbender

[@sonpikachu6956]

I think it would be cool to see both styles clashing together in a mini-anime like a KanaFlow anime just for a one off to see how fans would react to it.

[@EnoYaka]

I love both styles

[@forgottenrelics1197]

same :)

[@Be.authentic_]

I'm SO GLAD I grew up in the 90s and experienced all this first hand what a time it was 😭😭😭

[@HalvoDraws]

in terms of how entertaining a fight is to watch for me personally, id have to side with naruto's style of action animation i much prefer the loose yet impactful choreography showing a sense of intensity and speed to their fights keeping the viewer at the edge of their seat as opposed to the more static fight scenes in DBZ

[@G.reviewz]

Very informative video thanks.

[@LemonKingful]

im a professional animator and I have to say... EXTREMELLLLLY GOOD VIDEO really clear love that you shed some light on the animators names and stories (but tiny question, what do u mean with "frame modulation" at the beggining of the video, dont know about that concept (im from france maybe its because of that) but ive never heard that term before) anyway GREAT CONTENT

[@Alllex]

Frame modulation is when an animator changes up how long they hold a drawing on a whim. So one key may be held for 3 frames, the next for 2, the next for like 4, etc. whatever they feel helps the movement best rather than strictly sticking to 1s, 2s, or 3s for everything.

[@LemonKingful]

@@Alllex isn't that exposure?

[@Alllex]

@@LemonKingful Exposure, from my experience, is a more all encompassing term for a frame appearing on screen. Frame modulation is more so the act of frequently changing the exposure (2, 4, 3 instead of 2, 2, 2 for example) that which you would then mark down on an exposure sheet or a timing chart (which is the term I’m more familiar with).

[@LemonKingful]

@@Alllex oooh so if I understand correctly modulation is the fact of playing around with the exposure?

[@Alllex]

@@LemonKingful Yeah! You got it I should also clarify also that I’m pretty sure frame modulation is a fairly new term, which is probably why you hadn’t heard of it before haha

[@HassanAhmed-rf9xr]

This was great to watch. I dont appreciate animators enough so this was what I was missing. Im definitely going to watch more vids since this is so informative. I remember not bothering with dbz because I had gotten hooked to Naruto since it was a whole new world to me. But after much effort in my friends part I decided to enter the enemy territory and check out dbz. I got an even crazier experience even tho it was many years later. Both have taken a part of me and I no longer became a Naruto only kid back then.

[@gIokk]

seeing that GTO scene and YYH intro made me tear up. miss the old animation for anime really.

[@Hayden2002WX]

What a great video.

[@ilcerbiastrello9335]

Great video.

[@Vitioche]

Suprised you didnt mention goku v vegeta, that amazing yamamuros cut

[@PokeyMeansBusiness]

I really wish Super was animated the same way as Z. There's been so much lacking in comparison to Z but it should be easier to animate in the digital era

[@christianbawua-anipah1987]

As much as how fantastic and amazingly informative this video is, there's still a huge misunderstanding among the comments on what the respective schools are. I mean "DBS uSED thE CraPPy FLow sChOOl iN epS 5" what?

[@SonGoku0-r]

Both animation styles suits their corresponding shows very well

[@gkalaitza2183]

Huge props for mentioning Gosenzosama Banbanzai's and Utsunomiya's historical importance in the creation of the "flow" school and the emerging realist approach. Shows some really deep knowledge DB seems in a particular place historocaly where the it couldn't, due to its designs , due to decline of the kanada style and due to the concentration of talent in ovas, emulate a more pure kanada approach like idk Urusei Yatsura .But also the more realist flow approach wasn't mature yet and would be until after YYH. So it had to create it's own visual language in order to keep up interesting presentation by combining some Kanada principles, bunch of dezaki limited animation tricks, some Hokuto no Ken visual language , strong art and line/shadow count and making the best use of each teams talent and focusing on the shots and cuts that really matter. I wonder about something like Shida's krillin vs goku fight in DB 096 tho. If the spacing and timing was a bit less pronounced and more even and it stayed mostly on 2s with some 1s it would have fit perfectly in Naruto style wise. Of course no smears and instead action lines and some looped strikes but still. It feels ahead of the curve for 1988 in regards with distinct choreographed h2h from a wide neutral shot and without quick cuts . Wonder if it was due to some real life action movie influence Shida had at the time or due do some other older scene he saw and was inspired from

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Thanks and that's a really great point I didn't consider, also a nice summary of Dragon Ball Z's action! The Kanada style while not dead, was definitely in decline by the time of Dragon Ball Z. What I find ironic is that it's the time period when many of the series' Kanada-style animators were most present. Part of that is just due to timing with Hisada and Tate getting promotions during that period and Cockpit coming on but it's still quite an interesting time period in history for that style to be present. Also, an interesting point about Shida and he definitely popped into my head while writing this because his approach is quite unique. He seems to have that focus on motion like a flow animator, but his way of going about it is quite different of course. I do know one of the animators that inspired him in his early days was Kazuhide Tomonaga, but like many at the time, he too was a Kanada fan and stylistically a world away from Shida. It would definitely be great if one day we could get more info on Shida's influences during that time period :)

[@gkalaitza2183]

@@forgottenrelics1197 oh yeah I remember him mentioning Tomonaga on Twitter. And tbh it could actually make sense stylisticaly. Tomonaga was Kanada adjustent mostly in the 70s when they worked together on a bunch of super robot shows and had a friendly rivality. In the 80s and after tomonaga worked a lot with miyazaki on Future Boy Conan ,and on Cagliostro he basically he combined that approach with his own sensibilities. I would assume the work that impacted shida was Tomonogas mostly non Kanada 80s lupin and miyazaki work and most likely also his work in the Galaxy express 999 movies considering their popularity with animators . Other than that I wonder of he was influenced also by people like Takashi Nakamura , Koji Morimoto , shinji otsuka and maybe even Tomonori Kogawa that had their own non kanada energetic approaches and drawing styles in the early and mid 80s that a lot of animators liked. Also one last think is that weirdly I feel modern shida is more kanada adjustent than back then despite the 1s spamming. His effects shapes especially feel solidly in the kanada family and have gotten more angular amd bold

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@gkalaitza2183 I feel like an idiot now haha, as soon as you mentioned Galaxy express 999 Tomoaga's name clicked. From memory, I also do believe it was his work with Miyazaki like on Castle of Cagliostro that inspired Shida so you are definitely right. In regards to his modern work you may have something there, I haven't closely studied Shida's work for some time but I can definitely see the similarities in shape design. But especially in how they take sort of a liquid form in one sense, it's not exact, but the core principal is definitely similar.

[@Myday_145]

I always thought this, that dragon ball z’s animation was kinda stiff and naruto’s was flexible and a bit smoother. Anyways great video!

[@egganegga]

It’s probably because dragon ball z sometimes trades style over animation .

[@Myday_145]

@@egganegga yea, I thought that too. Probably just stiff cause of the design of the entire anime

[@UnifiedEntity]

DBZ tended to actually keep consistent character modeling in its animation. To me that was for the better as it suited it.

[@mcsonicsimpson]

Oh man, dangerous topic Or at least it used to be, I don't know if kids are still fighting over which one they like more

[@forgottenrelics1197]

that it is, just hope people have the patience to watch through before commenting haha

[@derekfurst6233]

Hey big fan. Do you think if super returns it could ever use a "flow school" style or is pose-to-pose too big a piece of it's dna

[@forgottenrelics1197]

The flexibility of Shintani's designs (assuming he's given that role) would allow for different approaches such as that. So depending on who works on the show you may have little moments which adhere to that school but overall I can't see DB's standard action style going away. Although again depending on the staff list I wouldn't be surprised to see it modified and modernised, such as in DBS Broly.