Dragon Ball animator on DBZ remake and dislike of CG move

Dragon Ball Super: Super heroes character designer and animation director Chikashi Kubota recently attended the JapEx Sud held in France and gave fans a lot of intriguing details from behind the Toei curtain regarding Dragon Ball.
So join me today as delve into the two main points of interest, Kubota's thoughts on Dragon Balls CG direction and his passion for a Dragon Ball remake!
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[@vonigner]

Kubota was a fan of anime since he was a child, drawing flipbooks in class, including a lot of Dragon Ball in middle school. (collège = middle school (age 10-14, four years (6th, 7th, 8th and 9th grades for US) At the age of 11 he decided to become an animator. Besides Dragon Ball, he was also a fan of works like Macross Plus, Evangelion, Ah! My goddess, which influenced his drawing. He worked on many projects but he is particularly proud to have worked on Space Dandy and One Punch-Man, there was a very competent staff on it, qualifying them as "Top class". For the last episode of Space Dandy, Kubota was quite sad to leave all this group but Shingo Natsume offered him to be a character designer of his next project (One Punch Man). Concerning Dragon Ball Super Broly, he had been a gengaman on it, he asked Hayashida (the producer) during the otsukare (party to celebrate the end of the production) to entrust him one day a character design of Dragon Ball, because he considered himself as the most fan of the franchise in the animation staff. There was not to be a 2D scene planned (for DBSSH). Kubota said as a condition of his participation in the project, to put some 2D in. Toriyama's line is something quite difficult to put in volume. This is one of the difficulties that Kubota had during the making of the film. He had to get a lot of things corrected, he had to look at each of the cuts one by one, manually correct them, and send them back to the 3D staff for corrections. It took him a lot of time, in addition to drawing the 2D part himself. The deadline was coming, and he felt the deadline pressure but TOEI Animation was hacked so he was somehow lucky to have had 2 more months to polish things for the movie. His next project is an original animation movie, he hopes his son will be able to see it. (Von's note: I don't know exactly why he wishes his son will be able to see it; either he's sick, or it's going to be so long he might die of old age, or he hopes it'll be age-appropriate? idk) Unfortunately, he never met Akira Toriyama. Toriyama had met the main staff of DBS Broly but as it was post-covid for DBSSH, it didn't happen for them. In 2D, the pencil is more expressive, Kubota explains you can more easily draw emotions. He doesn't really understand power level differences in Dragon Ball, his job is to make them look powerful on the screen. (Von's note: I would say he means what we say in English as "powerscaling", so I would venture and say he was not thinking about MUI or UE and how Piccolo and Gohan compared to them) When he was first told about DBSSH, he thought it was a shame that it was in 3D, that's why he insisted on a 2D part. (Von's note: "it's a shame it's 3D" is a STRONG sentiment to express imho, especially with Japanese employee culture. Kubota is extremely confident and assertive of his beliefs, I believe this is much more meaningful than we expect. Especially as a freelancer) Before he was passionate about Dragon Ball, he used to draw Doraemon or Per-man. He had a friend, Tatsumi, who drew GeGeGe no Kitarô better than him, and if he progressed it's because he wanted to become better than him. The production of DBSSH lasted one and a half years. (For comparison) The first episode of One Punch Man took 6 months and the last one took 6 weeks. He already talked with Hayashida that if there is ever a remake of Dragon Ball, you should definitely call him. The 2D part of the movie is for him a portfolio to motivate them to do it. Added from another attendee: "There's no current anime project for Dragon Ball, because if there was, he (Kubota) would put every other project on the back burner to work on it" (his other projects being that he is/was on the 3rd season of One Punch Man)

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Big thanks for this Von! For anyone wondering this is a full translation of the interview from French.

[@vonigner]

@@forgottenrelics1197 Conference in Japan Expo Sud (Marseille) ^^ He signed and drew a few Gokus My pleasure! ETA: "there's no current anime project for Dragon Ball" that Kubota knows of. As a Freelancer he's not necessarily in the know. It seems the FR person didn't get the nuance of "I haven't heard about.." concerning DB Projects

[@TheArtGuyChannel]

I'm not reading that

[@Popotato7777]

Bro is wikipedia nice

[@madhursaxena2645]

@@TheArtGuyChannel what was the point of commenting that here?

[@LowellLucasJr.]

I understand Kubota's frustration completely! Imagine working so hard to capture these magnificent moments with just pencil and paper to only be told "Nah we're not doing that anymore! We're doing CG!" and you feel like you're losing the spirit with it.

[@DeePrime2410]

Absolutely

[@jessegonzales9920]

Z should have been the end of the series. It was perfect.

[@inkchariot6147]

@@jessegonzales9920 But then the plot point with Uub would be completely unresolved, GT is the best we have as a series finale.

[@jessegonzales9920]

@@inkchariot6147 goku flew off to train him That's that. There didn't need tk be more and more enemies. Ots what's lead to the ridiculous over recoloring were getting now.

[@FounderX9]

2D Animation is still made digitally, they haven't used paper or pencils in years

[@blazerr___]

considering Kubota is a massive fan of the series I imagine he wants a remake solely so he can work on his favorite scenes from the original

[@Waqas_Khan02]

0:25 THANK YOU Kubota for working on flashback in 2D animation

[@crestofhonor2349]

Honestly I'm kinda in agreement with Kubota on the movie beign CG. Even though I thought the movie was really well animated and looked amazing I'd just rather see hand drawn animation with some CG assistence in more difficult scenes. All I want to see is a return to super and an adaptation of the Morro and Granola arcs that just finished in the manga

[@bigwingedkuriboh]

Talking about the passing of cast, I think just today the news of Nappa’s Japanese VA passing was seen.

[@JustinJohnson-vc1gr]

I wasn't too big on the Superhero artstyle myself, I wish they had kept the DBS Broly art or used the artstyle from the beginning of Superhero. It's one of the things that contributed to me finding Superhero just okay and not being wowed like I was with DBS Broly. I still watch DBS Broly from time to time

[@GeteMachine]

I think the animation in the intro of the Superhero movie honestly looks better than Broly. I always thought the Shintani character inspired models in Broly looked too blobby. The intro scene for Superhero looks a lot closer to a modern Z look for me. That or the Yo! Son Goku returns 2008 special.

[@neoshenlong]

I agree. Superhero looks okay, and it's a really good showcase of how 3D anime can look with proper care. But I don't want Dragon Ball to look like that. Specially not after we got the gorgeous animation and character designs of DBS Broly.

[@JustinJohnson-vc1gr]

​@hotwhire It's equal for me. DBS Broly also had Kubota. Shintani Takahashi and Kubotas artstyle works much better as opposed to 3D art. Their artstyle bought life to DBS Broly and the Superhero intro.

[@JustinJohnson-vc1gr]

​@@neoshenlong2D art is superior

[@jasonone8726]

The art style was fine in the movie. It was the CG that was a turn off.

[@vonigner]

Being French I'm so sad Japan Expo Sud didn't advertise AT ALL, I would have gone if I had known! Even if Marseille is not super near for me... Seriously, they dropped the ball. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me if you need any FR stuff, I'm a local native ;)

[@forgottenrelics1197]

That's such a shame, I hope it wasn't disheartening for Kubota to see so few people show up 😅 And yeah man that sounds good, what are your socials?

[@Chainedetheprolol]

insane, pareillement ici

[@TheShockVox]

It’s always so cool finding out who did what animation-wise, I mean just LOOK at these shots! They get even more beautiful as we pinpoint who we should give credit to.

[@Virtual_Rays]

I think what a lot of people actually don't realize is that a lot of the frames and scenes in Super Hero are actually in fact gone over again with 2D alterations and 2D art in combination with 3D characters and assets. The movie is not 100% pure 3D and there are many times where if you pause and actually look at the scene and characters, you can see the 2D alterations, touch-ups, and inclusion. One of the biggest examples is when after Gamma 2 punches Orange Piccolo and Orange Piccolo is just looking down at him menacingly.

[@lowdistortion]

He also said he isn't involved in any dbz future projects, meaning he could once again be the CAD for s3 of OPM

[@blackshogun272]

If he is the CAD for S3 of OPM, anime and manga fans of the series are gonna be eating good 😂

[@VulcanicCloud]

@@blackshogun272 While that would be absolutely amazing, just as important is how much time and who will be working on S3. He worked on S2, and unfortunately the not so great directing and the little time they had to work on the season made it still sub par. The (impossible) dream would be Shingo Natsume and his team coming back, and also adding Kenichiro Aoki to their group for the new season. We could possibly get an even better season than 1 with that.

[@Milos15GameplaysYT]

A slight correction for Kai. It temporarily ended with 97 episodes for the pre-Buu arc instead of planned 98, due to news covering the tsunami that struck Japan. The episode 98 was released direct to video. It did return in 2014 for the final chapters. So in total, the episode count of Dragon Ball Kai is 159 in the original Japanese broadcast (cut with 61) and 161 (uncut with 69) for international broadcast.

[@octaviusmosley3582]

I totally agree. The actual drawing of characters shows the unique artwork an artist exhibits. CG takes away the artistic freedom artists want to showcase.

[@Gaming_Hub_UK]

I agree with your thoughts and I too feel they can animate his other world like the sand land project and they can also do the Manga theater adaptation which had small chapters including dragon boy which was a dragon ball blue print and adventure of Tonbo which introduced the Hoi Poi capsules. But then again let's see what the future holds.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Sand Land actually is already getting an Anime. I wish it was a 2d one but looks nice so far :) And yeah and adaptation of those little chapters would be neat!

[@Gaming_Hub_UK]

@@forgottenrelics1197 I really hope because each story really shows how much his style evolved even with his mechanical drawings which were some of the best I've seen in a while. And now that Dragon ball is nearly 40 years old I really do feel animating such projects would show his legacy. And I also hope they can release another art book which is from 2013 to 2023 as this decade has really been a big one for dragon ball.

[@WPNSTV]

I personally loved the CG + 2D mesh. I do think that this format looks the best on the big screen, however, and might not be as appealing outside of a theater.

[@vonigner]

Added from another attendee: "There's no current anime project for Dragon Ball, because if there was, he (Kubota) would put every other project on the back burner to work on it" (his other projects being that he is/was on the 3rd season of One Punch Man) -> correction: "there's no current anime project for Dragon Ball" that Kubota knows of. As a Freelancer he's not necessarily in the know. It seems the FR person didn't get the nuance of "I haven't heard about.." concerning DB Projects and thought it meant "there's no DB project". (can't edit the pinned post sorry for the confusion :p)

[@ilay_ux]

thanks for the correction! when i read your pinned post i was a little confused on how Kubota said something so revealing without issue. but it's all clear now

[@AccelSternritter]

I mean if they ever make a Dragon Ball Remake IT DOESN'T have to be the same again. You can have new voices, you can have new colors and soundtrack. It's the same people that complain about the new Resident Evil 4 Remake, you're not gonna get the exact same game with updated visuals, it's a new experience. And the old version will always be there for your enjoyment.

[@hashi.]

a dragon ball remake for the 40th anniversary would be amazing and probably would be great for the younger and future generation that have yet to experience the original dragon ball

[@sharingansasuke5]

This video hits the nail on the head for something I have thought for a very long time. Anime, like all other art forms, is timeless. I don’t want a remake of these things I’ve grown to love, I already have them. I don’t want to lose all of the love, care, and soul poured into these things

[@VITAS874]

True

[@fielalmanga]

Why would you "lose" them if you "already have them". A remake doesn't automatically erase the old thing at all. It's an additional experience for newcomers to enjoy it with current tastes like seasonal and digital art and coloring and new voices

[@fridaynightnicktoons6885]

I want the original cel animation art style back.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

kubota's the closet thing to that style

[@capitatecab6049]

I think its a fair take, an entire remake is on paper, a big waste of money and time considering they already adapted the story before But imo, a new teams idea can bring an entire different energy for the product, like Masaaki Yuasa with Ping Pong, since he didn’t want to at first considering the movie was pretty succesful, he was interested in the idea of the hero at the end succeeding and it lead to one of the greatest sports anime ever, it could be great although i would not want them to take the path the Z series did, since there would be an unavoidable crunch

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Yeah, I definitely can't deny that seeing a new team take on the series would be interesting and great example! Which reminds me I need to do a rewatch haha

[@santiagomoralesgarcia1802]

Just think about those main battles from DB could be really great, the hand to hand combat could be more similar to naruto taijutsu battles because back then DB character didn't use so much beams powers or flying technique, it was more grounded (Goku using his magic pole could bring some great moments)

[@hashiramasayan162]

The reason why i like fight scenes in DBZ than in DBS

[@forgottenrelics1197]

@@hashiramasayan162 He's talking about the original DB series, DBZ's action relied heavily on looped animation and flashy effects.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

@@hashiramasayan162 That makes no sense, it's only the DB fights that are grounded. DBZ, after the first arc, is what ruined that original style.

[@mechajay3358]

I get Kubota's issues with Super Hero being in CG, Ihough I thought movie turn out pretty good. The series works the best in traditional animation and his intro sequences is proof of that. I understand him also wanting to do a Dragon Ball remake but Relics makes some good points on why the OG is fine the way it is.

[@adamfighter358]

I once met kubota in 2018, he was with katsuyoshi nakatsuru and masaki sato and they were doing a presentation about the animation proces in DBZ (it was in some vip room but i got the pass for it by winning a dbz drawing contest). They also signed two of my drawings and i remember other people being jealous because i was the only one they allowed to get a signature (i was a kid).

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Niceee man. Did anyone film that section? Would've been real interesting to see them break it down.

[@SonGoku-tp8gb]

Considering the movie's animation is average at best today, I definitely understand the frustrations with it. Especially if it's supposed to follow Broly, which had such beautiful fights that raised the bar so high lmao

[@paintbrush3554]

I'm glad that you pointed out how a Dragon Ball remake will probably contain alterations... which will without a doubt become controversial within the fanbase. Oddly despite the fact that Dragon Ball's story has potential for being better written(as due to Toriyama writing as he went, left alot of narrative abd consistency weakness ) most of his and toeis backtracking and retconing of the original story has only made it worse/makes no sense/removed strengths in my opinion and I'd rather not have them go back and toy with the original, aka the last piece storytelling that most fanbase values the highest unanimously.

[@TheGreatDanish]

Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about the controversy over changes in DB. Most of the community never watched original DB anyway. Hell, it feels like most of them only watched DBZA for how well they know the franchise. So sure, there would be a lot of loud voices arguing back and forth, but like... it will be just a few loud voices, not any substantial issues.

[@GeteMachine]

I honestly didnt have any issue with Z's storytelling. It was surprisingly still cohernt despite Toriyama writing things often last minute or having to change things a lot for his editors (who also did have good judgement and why we had a great arc like the Android one) which considering the criticism of Super rather poor, storytelling a lot of the time, I don't see an altered Z fairing out well if they changed anything to fit modern DB. Like the already contested retcons in Super, like to potara.

[@paintbrush3554]

@@GeteMachine I agree

[@marxist-leninist-protagonist]

That and Toei can't be trusted. Not the workers, animators and writers all sure love the series, but executive decisions and deadlines always destroy art.

[@magnawaves]

I would LOVE a Dragonball remake with the madlad that did the DBS SH intro. He made it look just like the source but cleaner and so smooth and beautiful. I'd go nuts and probably buy volumes as they dropped

[@ms.antithesis]

the pacing would be improved by a lot if you adapted dragonball without having to keep up with the pacing of an ongoing series, i mean look at Jojo, that has great pacing, largely because the manga finished in 2003. But i think a 2 hour movie adaptation of the namek saga could genuinely be amazing.

[@sorakazama7031]

Og Jojo was amazing but this new one is hot garbage after stardust crusaders.

[@ms.antithesis]

@@sorakazama7031 Fully disagree. The 1993 and 2000 ova's have sine pretty big plot holes because of stuff they removed from the manga. And the colour palette of the 2000 ova is pretty bad. The 1993 one has great animation but horrid pacing issues. And the new anime has its issues but I'd say its a pretty decent adaptation of the original, even if I'd always personally recommend the manga. Why don't you like it?

[@sorakazama7031]

@@ms.antithesis one of the few I didn't read the nanga for, I skipped after being disappointed with berserk manga. Loved 2000s Jojo, one of the best animes I've ever seen even tho it was only like 6 to 8 episodes. Alot got done and alot got done fast. Didn't think the older one animation looked all that good. New Jojo like 2012 and up...ehh....when compared to the originals it just falls flat to me. The STORY really held up well but In terms of animations it looks like hunter X hunters newer adaption in which I also preferred the original.

[@ms.antithesis]

@@sorakazama7031 those are w different manga, by 2 different people. Idk why you'd not read it because you were disappointed. The Manga, is the original. And as an adaptation of the manga the 2012 series is much better

[@sorakazama7031]

@@ms.antithesis doesn't matter, the Mangas have disappointed me for the most part. Again everything after jotaro just turned strange beyond belief and then disappointing. I've had a few conversations and most people have said that was a good place to stop anyway. I tried to go further but I just started getting disappointed again. Dragonball z the anime vs the manga is another thing. Only manga I've truly enjoyed that I've watched an anime for was full metal alchemist. It did not miss a beat.

[@Rationalific]

Those 2D sequences at the start of the mostly CG movie were actually my favorite part of that movie. Then again, the worst part for me was not the CG (which ended up looking pretty good) but rather the needless transformations that have really started to turn me off.

[@NIMPAK1]

The way you feel about a DB is the same way I feel about the Urusei Yatsura remake. There's nothing wrong with the remake, but I feel like the original had so much charm that a remake feels unnecessary.

[@edualv320]

Imo, a remake of pt1 of Dragon Ball (anything before Z) would be nice. A lot of DBZ fans haven’t seen or read og DB. And the gachas barely include DB characters in their games. So a remake might revive a lot of interest in that part of Dragon Ball

[@Crow_Rising]

Honestly while it would still be a lot of work, I'd settle for a proper widescreen re-release. They'd have to manually draw more content off to the sides to avoid the awkward cropping that older re-releases tended to do when doing "widescreen" versions of shows, but it's still probably more realistic of an expectation of a full on remake.

[@AlphaProto]

Movies are always the best option. I would rather have a 2hour Dragon Ball movie every 2 years than a mediocre 200 episodes series.

[@BT-oj1bn]

Movies are not always the best option. By that logic we would have never got DragonBall or DragonBall z. Even dbs is pretty great. They have even more money now than when they made those, they could do it again.

[@TheAsj97]

I would infinitely rather have a mediocre series than a mediocre movie (like this one).

[@tiablue9106]

I agree that instead of remaking dragon ball they should animate other stuff like jaco. I've been clamoring for a ginyu force OVA/miniseries for so long now, do smth with goku jr, show more of vegeta's past; the dragon ball universe has a lot to offer that could do with expansion in movie-type formats/generally new animation, I'd hate for that to be wasted on retelling the story everyone knows. Kinda off-topic but that's why I and a lot of ppl appreciate DB FighterZ--instead of retelling the story of dragon ball z for the bajillionth time, its story just embraced being an excuse for good character interactions and moments

[@ms.antithesis]

although imo most of the original manga colours do actually look better than the ones used in the show.

[@GeteMachine]

No, they don't.

[@ms.antithesis]

@@GeteMachine purple bulma, pink freiza yellow kame house gi, >>

[@jasonone8726]

​@Ms.antithesis Bulma's original hair color when she first appeared in the manga was blue. It switched from blue to purple

[@ms.antithesis]

@@jasonone8726 toriyama was pretty inconsistent on the colour in the early manga bit settled on purple after going back and fourth a few times in illustrations and colour pages.

[@jasonone8726]

@Ms.antithesis Yeah, I know, just saying it was originally blue. I just recently realised this when I was looking at the pilot chapter again. It's funny that Toriyama, since the very beginning, was already inconsistent with the colors, and we thought this was a new thing. Kid Goku's original gi also switched from blue to orange.

[@rob19ny]

Someone with sense. They had the right style in DBS Broly. They knew fans wanted more of it, especially after how bad Super was in the beginning yet still decided on 3D for Super Hero. To add fuel to the fire, they allowed 2D in the movie, but only for the flashback scenes. That felt like a spit in the face. I thank Kubota for fighting for 2D. The flashback scenes were my favorite parts of the movie. The original DB scenes were amazing then Super Vegeta was looking perfect. I damn near shed a tear. They better get it right next time. 2D for life.

[@adarus9941]

I love both 3D and 2D so it was no issue for me but it shouldn’t be a common thing to do for everything, I appreciate the different direction for at least one film.

[@ilay_ux]

@@adarus9941 i agree, i think it's something worth exploring for a film or two. especially with a huge franchise like Dragon Ball, which already has 20+ movies in 2D so i don't mind the idea behind Super Hero's 3D vision. i'll still prefer 2D in general though

[@jasonone8726]

Stop saying they spit in the fans face, they wanted to do something different, but it just didn't work.

[@rob19ny]

@@jasonone8726 You just proved that you can't comprehend what you read. Reread until you comprehend it.

[@jasonone8726]

@@rob19ny I said what I meant.

[@KremBotop]

Whatever ends up happening with Kubota's involvement in DB's future, for now we're hoping that he gets to bring a lot of great things to OPM S3. And regarding a full on Dragon Ball reboot, Toei has already gone that route with some of their other shows like Saint Seiya, Kitaro (multiple times to boot), Digimon, Sailor Moon and especially Dr Slump back when GT ended. And while none have reached the popularity and relevance of their respective originals, I don't see DB being in a similar situation given how it's literally the most successful anime IP. Though it'll most likely bring a whole new voice cast.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

Saint seiya only look great with shingo haraki and michi himeno artwork

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Ahhh i forgot about Slump, but yeah it's highly likely they'll get to it one day. Although I personally feel that's a project veryyyy far away.

[@thomasffrench3639]

I think a good idea would be to go the Gundam Doan’s Island or Naruto vs Sasuke where they only reanimate a story or two.

[@diegovaldes1408]

100% agree, i find the idea of a DB remake unnecessary. Yes, the original series had it's low points (just like any other long running anime), but it's high points are now some of the most iconic scenes in the medium, i just don't see the point in trying to recreate them. Plus, i love Kikuchi's music to death, og DB without his music would just feel wrong lol

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

There is a very valid reason to remake all of DB and Z but people aren't going to like it, its kids. DBS was and still is a huge hit with kids but most of them didn't even bother with Kai and only know the original series from clips on KZbin or pirate sites, TV channels and most streaming services don't want to touch OG DB because of the raunchy humor. Mind you the kids that grew up with DBS are already into their teens, DBS will keep going but eventually they have to make the old content more approachable.

[@Lordmaster316]

For me 3D anime will never replace 2D anime

[@Switch-Animation]

I somewhat feel what you mean, but 3D is a new way for animators to show their abilities , and plus, it didn't do that bad truth be told In This movie

[@chinopuertorico]

Be dope to see old school animation.

[@Gustavo-cs9rc]

You have to consider that probably 80% of Dragon ball super audience globally, especially the younger ones, that might be the majority, did not watch Dragon Ball, and is such a masterpiece, that it really should be remade, with less "roshi moments" probably, let's see where it goes.

[@Made_In_Heaven88]

"Less Roshi moments" This is why a remake isn't needed you take out one element of a certain character just because it doesn't fly with the current generation the whole thing comes crashing down with it when all the og fans start complaining about it

[@To-To]

With Toei's size and DB's reputation, they could v. easily make movie quality episodes, but this would require them to produce the product long before its actual debut, dedicate a lot of time to it, and air it yearly rather than concurrently. Toei, a toy company at this point, isn't gonna do that lmao. It'd be pretty dope tho. Kikuchi wasn't the greatest fit for Z, Faulconer was p. bad as well outside of a few tracks, so the only loss would be Kikuchi for DB, but that's not to say it couldn't be better. Better composers, newer VAs, and so on. Given the time and effort it needs, and could easily get because of how massive it is, it would be the definitive way to experience DB, but it won't ever happen because $$$. Sure it'll see a lot of success, but JP companies -- and most companies, really -- are p. silly when it comes to future profits. Joe Schmoe will you tell you that it'd print money and he'd be right, but Toei wouldn't be getting an immediate profit, so it's a wild card and, thus, a potential waste of money. Gotta make billions, not millions. Fun video, though. I like these discussion pieces. Also, you probably said "Z Kai" because that's what the west -- or America at least -- changed it to lol

[@aidanshowers8366]

Kubota’s words on dragon ball for me just makes it all the more frustrating that fans (especially a certain creator) will constantly bad mouth those behind the scenes. And all though I would love a remake of dragon ball to Z I think it should be like what perroit did with road of naruto, a compilation of iconic moments from the series redone with new animation technology with a remixed soundtrack.

[@El_Mince]

While I do agree with Kubota that DB is conveyed better in 2d, I think having Superhero in CG was a necessity. There just wasn’t enough staff for a 2d production at the time.

[@mechajay3358]

I don't even think he was told why they even switched to CG.

[@Nikku4211]

Doesn't 3D CG take up more work than 2D?

[@El_Mince]

@@Nikku4211 Most 2D animators were tied up with other projects. I think Yuya Takahashi was on World Trigger at the time, as an example

[@TheAsj97]

They could have just waited...

[@colegillgrass3373]

I'd be down for them to start doing movies to cover each arc in a condensed format with updated visuals.

[@LexGuevarra]

A DB/DBZ remake with Kubota would be immaculate

[@AntwoneAntJackson]

They had their chance to visually remake Dbz with Kai and they decided not to. I think that opportunity of a remake, while enticing, is long gone now. But hey maybe in 30 years from now...Son Goku and his friends get the Journey to the West treatment. Influencing media but retaining their legacy as is.

[@four-en-tee]

DBZ really doesn't need a remake unless we're remaking Dragon Ball first. Like, i wouldn't mess with the stories much (mostly just from a preservationists' standpoint), i just want updated visuals and fixed designs for african american characters like Staff Officer Black from the Red Ribbon Army.

[@KameZX]

We need a new proper HD remaster of Dragon Ball - GT including Movies and TV specials like we did almost 20 years ago with the Dragon Box's Its doable toei just needs the drive which I doubt they have.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

for sure man, i would much prefer getting a new remaster

[@mmyummers]

amazing video as always

[@bdg1970]

If Dragon Ball were to get a remake, I wish they would use they would use the format that Bleach used and air it in cours.

[@nightlydata2181]

Super Hero is great visually but ye goin CG is not where I like this series so agreed on that. I also agree overall wit ur take on a brotherhood adaptation on the whole(tho I can't deny it sounds enticin). This sounds like a naruto situation where a remake might be possible but there's so much that would be diff a kai like re-release would be way better. They're still workin on Super for the movies & the eventual tv return so it'd be too big of an undertakin but little snippets of reanimated callbacks in the new stuff will always be great to me. Also ye THERE'S NO WAY THEY'RE TAKIN PURPLE HAIR TRUNKS AWAY, Z & SUPER(TV series) R HIS LAST BASTION JUS LEMME KEEP THIS 1 PLS😭😭😭😭

[@ariathyf144]

The HAND DRAW part of that opening looks FANTASTIC. Forget the rest of the production (music, voice acting, CG..) just give us the remastered drawings using the original storyboards directed by Chikashi Kubota and call it a day. Heck He don't even need to get involve in a studio for full animation all HE NEED TO PROVIDE ARE THE REMASTERED KEY FRAMES. I could call this Project Z-R. The interest for hand draw animation NEVER DIED OFF and is highly respected among fans that's what corporate Toei don't understand.

[@alsimmonshellspawn6021]

I'm 100% with Kubota 2d animation has more expression and details, 3d animation felt more like a video game, if they are going to remake db and dbz they better put alot effort on it, I don't want no censorship and watered down violence

[@jasonone8726]

It will definitely be censored.

[@Zoecoon]

But the CG looked amazing, better than most of not all CG anime films and was really cool seeing all these characters in a 3D Style that was properly handled, I have no problem with the way it looks and honestly it demeans everyone who worked on that project and made it look as good as it did

[@madeinsound08]

​@@Zoecoon Lupin III exist in term of CG

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Impossible to air DB uncensored. Even for the 90s sensibility some of the DB humor was starting looking too much.

[@charlesmaclellan8124]

All we need is a Kai version of the original Dragonball. Then, I'll be happy.

[@OXhuls]

Agree with you on every point.

[@brianlaureus]

I mean I kinda disagree there are still long running anime shows with great quality and animation that are going on nowadays. But I just don’t think toei would handle the remake that way. Despite the potential differences I would without a doubt love to see a at least a dragon ball remake a chance to see the beat scenes full reanimated would be incredible even shows like Naruto have expressed interest don’t see why dbz couldn’t get one. If done right .

[@hellodigitalworld8224]

My take is : you like the originals and don’t want them to be remade ? then stick with them I think a remake is a good idea to bring new fans to the franchise and this time around maybe dragon ball fans will actually watch dragon ball…

[@user-in1gv1uh2v]

Why waste time and money remaking it when you can introduce people to the original series?

[@mohamedlamin2968]

Kubota 🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐

[@ms.antithesis]

i can fully see that we've gotten out of the weeds of bad digital animation and we're back at a point where an amazing looking dragonball remake is fully possible. but I agree it's pretty unnecessary.

[@odd-eyes6363]

I understand your points about a DB remake, but honestly should they opt to make a remake of DB a seasonal anime like AoT or My Hero Academia, that alone would avoid many of the issues with long running shows, more importantly it would allow for better quality in animation

[@KevinM1905]

The intro of the move was the best part

[@TheOppositeOfLegend]

I wonder if this is why the anime is taking so long to come out.... They probably had the anime lined up but it had heavy cgi elements and I think a vast majority of the fans wanted SH to be 2D animation and the production team even having dismay about the whole movie being cgi makes me think the anime and that other series is being reworked without any cgi.

[@bluesphere7]

I can see OG DB (not Z, since Kai covered it) getting a remake using Dragon Quest Dai 2020 as a template. A modernized version of an 80s shonen with some of the sleaziness toned down and direction up-to-par with modern anime. It wouldn't be a replacement for OG DB, but certainly would get a lot of people who haven't seen it to experience it.

[@FantasticMario]

I personally think the art style philosophy of Dragon Ball overall constantly changes. You can never please everyone. The style they choose is one thing but the colors are so detrimental to the tone of Dragon Ball. A dream come true for me would be if the anime or movies had the art style and colors of Buu saga, specifically ssj2 Goku vs Kid Buu. Or the art style of fusion reborn or Wrath of the Dragon.

[@BergsArt]

Animation is Animation! It’s all a form of artistic expression and it’s all really difficult, in every medium. People acting like studios are losing 2D animators because 3D is easier and cheaper. Not the case, in fact, there is so much demand for animators in Japan, and so much anime in production all at once. It’s just a different group of artists making a different take on a franchise. Gatekeeping a medium from an IP just because it’s not what we’re used to is not in the right spirit for me. If it ends up bad, then yes, we can call it bad. But at least it had the opportunity, all mediums should at least be giving the freedom to explore different styles and forms of expression, otherwise animation would all look the same.

[@ssj3rebox]

HELL YEAH I WANT A REMAKE!!! I don’t care how much they change if it looks like what they did in Super Hero! I believe that any changes they make to the characters or the story would be for the better and give us something fresh for returning fans! If you’re so concerned about drastic changes and enjoy the old, well its still there… just watch the classic stuff then? Id be doing backflips for a new Z Thats looks as good as the opening recap of Super Hero. Of course tho I would only want to see it if they take the time to make it exactly as advertised. Otherwise if it’s truly not realistic for that same level of movie quality I would rather them not try at all.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Although you would get a more animated series, it would never be movie quality the whole way through. It's impossible on a weekly schedule, although going seasonal (which I doubt they would do) would certainly help bump up the quality. And that part near the end wasn't so much my concerns, but more so just me pointing out that a remake would bring a lot more changes than I think many fans expect.

[@carlosaugusto9821]

A new DBZ anime would NEVER look like that movie opening. That's an absurd level of delusion and alienation. Stop dreaming.

[@anshulshah1703]

Hey ForgottenRelics now that dbs super hero has been out for a while now, what were your thoughts on the movie? How did you find the animation? I personally thought the movie looked a lot better than what was shown in the trailers, but I would love to hear your thoughts!

[@sorakazama7031]

That hair was just awful

[@forgottenrelics1197]

At the time I wasn't interested but after making this I was considering a future video on it (still undecided) :) But yeah I quite enjoyed it, and was pleasantly surprised with the final half of the film. Well-directed and boarded with a stellar job by the compositing team.

[@batguy39]

I'd fuckin love a remake to do what Kai was meant to

[@joadarium9605]

A Dragonball Z remake with his art and animation!? YES PLEASE!! But then I do worry that things will be heavily altered

[@rob19ny]

Considering the fact that Toei removed blood from a series that has blood in it, a Dragon Ball remake by current Toei would remove all of the fanservice scenes. If you can't respect the source material then don't it.

[@ms.antithesis]

NICE

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Very nice

[@JabariMore]

@@forgottenrelics1197 extremely nice

[@GoofyLibra1432]

Dragon Ball remake would absolutely go hard

[@turbotrup96]

fanboys are fools

[@GoofyLibra1432]

@@turbotrup96 I watched his entire video and disagreed with his OPINION. That makes me foolish?

[@turbotrup96]

@@GoofyLibra1432 fanboys absolutely do tend to forget why they fell in love with series they want a remake of, because otherwise they would know that modern take on something this old would erase and change the vibe and writing choices it once's had. That's common sense.

[@GoofyLibra1432]

@@turbotrup96 It's something fresh and I guess that scares you. I personally would love to see what new staff, who grew up fans of the series, would have to offer

[@turbotrup96]

@@GoofyLibra1432 Dragon Ball has a very specific style of art, animation, sound, music - that changing it would make it lose its identity. And remakes usually do change these things. Just look at Super. And Super was drawn by the same art director from Buu arc.

[@redcr33perproductions]

He is right though, DB and DBZ do need an animated remake

[@veiregor]

A remake would definitely would be welcome even if the people behind it are totally different than the original. If the remake is good then everyone will be more than happy, and if its garbage, it wont take anything away from the original so it would not matter much. Lets hope that we will be able to see the remake in on point in our lives

[@LowellLucasJr.]

I do agree Dragon Ball really doesn't need a remake...perhaps a revisit into some key moments much like the Super Hero movies intro. It be awesome to see more classics moments visited in a new way...perhaps as an ova?

[@kassimhamidjuma627]

Well yes, replacement-scores are long gone, there's no denial of that, but that's not the peace with all anime, take for example Beyblade burst and all the other recent Yu-Gi-Oh spin-off titles, talking Yu-Gi-Oh Zexal, Yu-Gi-Oh Arc-V, Yu-Gi-Oh Vrains, those new spin-off titles of older anime of which have a replacement scores.

[@forgottenrelics1197]

Good example! Although for the Dragon Ball franchise particulary I really can't see it ever coming back.

[@DeePrime2410]

Legends!

[@ringotenshisetsuna]

I think the reasons listed as negatives are what I'd prioritize in an actual remake. It would be really redundant to try and recapture that charm so I'd rather it just go completely different in tone direction story etc so that its something new. But I highly doubt that'd be the outcome so it's best to just make new stories!

[@forgottenrelics1197]

That is true, although I wonder how many fans would be on board with such a rework, but yeah I think creating new stories would be best :)

[@WildStudios65150]

I'll take 2D Anime Animation over 3D any day an I'd really like to see a fully reanimated remake for Dragon Ball Z in the future a new TV Series could work but we've all heard the DBZ story like a million times thanks to the games so to keep it short and sweet how about make 4 movies retelling the DBZ Series from the Saiyan Saga all the way to the Buu Saga but that's just my idea if their making a TV Series i'd be all for that too.

[@Dontdoit_]

One movie gets done in CG and everyone loses their mind. Even though it matches the theme of the movie and the DB art style. The CG talk is so old annoying now. Both have a place in the industry. They both take talent.

[@diarawisteria2218]

If they wanna remake something, GT would probably be their best bet, honestly. They can't recapture the specific feelings and point in time of the original, but they could patch up the story and pay close attention to improving the fights.

[@jackwheel8372]

5:49 im crying now thanks

[@christopher4227]

W relic video as always also can you do a breakdown on ed 5 of chainsawman i want to know the intricacies of the ed cause its very good visual

[@TheShockVox]

3:09 and I’m glad about that change. I already was fine with the original end of DB but the kinto’un addition just, call me a sucker, was that extra bit I needed. But for everyone one of those, there’s a chance at a Dragon Ball Minus….

[@FaultehBoi]

I WANT KUBOTA TO DO THE CELL VS VEGETA AND TRUNKS BROOO 😭

[@irontiger021]

I was thinking more of how One Piece did it with Episode Of Alabasta and how it was it reanimated key moments in the Alabasta arc

[@toweringcobra6177]

I want a Dragon Ball/DBZ remaster with Peter Kelamis as Goku so bad, I like Sean to some degree but Peter Kelamis is far more accurate to Masako's impression, he suits Goku very well, honestly the ocean dub cast would be welcome in general tbh.

[@227060]

Imo, rather than REMAKE the series, they should just recut/repackge it. I think, especially for newer fans, the viewing order is weird and intimidating, even without the question of which dub to watch. Toei should essentially give OG Dragon Ball the Kai treatment to omit the filler then air/release it followed by Kai (but including History of Trunks) and finally a recut of Super that excludes the filler and perhaps also incorporates all the movies from Battle of Gods onwards in place of the first 2 arcs of Super. Do that and package it as ONE definitive series under a single title (I dunno, Dragon Ball Alpha or something). In other words Raditz arriving on Earth wouldn't be Episode 1 of DBZ or Kai it would just be the ACTUAL next episode after Goku beats Piccolo and Beerus' introduction wouldn't be Movie 14 or Super Ep1 it'd just be the episode immediatey after the defeat of Kid Buu. Then, once they catch up with the Super era they can simply continue with new material. Instead of complicated lists informing fans which series/version to watch and in what order, you just have a HD rendition of everything packaged in one anime that you can just begin at episode 1 with and follow linearly

[@Ruldolphmaker]

While I don't wish for a Dragon Ball remake, I wouldn't dislike the idea either assuming it stays manga-accurate. (With the exception of the Chōseisui and Chōshinsui, the latter being a very tired retread of the first). I'd also love to see a Dragon Ball with Toriyama-accurate pacing, and filler to a minimum.

[@user-nd7rd8jo6h]

Dragonball Z without all the special parts (Now it 300% more rushed)

[@Armeddragon12]

I think Toriyama is correct when saying that Goku being a righteous hero was always the wrong idea. He is just a guy who likes fighting and loves his world and those around him. His philosophical outlook doesn't go deeper than that. Hence why Goku let Vegeta escape or gave Cell the senzu bean. That's also the same reason Goku is a bad father. Goku is NOT righteous and any portrayal of him being so is incorrect. I think the Hope of the Universe Speech against Freeza was the start of the incorrect path for Goku. Toriyama is at fault for this as well and no doubt would probably change things up in a remake.

[@mups4016]

A remake doesn't make the original vanish into thin air.

[@DamianQualshy]

It kind of does, depending on the media and community keeping it alive.

[@Rafa-ey6ve]

My biggest wish for the Dragon ball Remake is having a Goku at the same size as Teen Gohan for the first time, maybe in the 3 years time skip between Goku solo training where he is defeated by Tien in the woods to the 22nd Budokai Tournament, where he also loses to Tien in the final. I know we've seen a ''kind of Teen Goku'' in the 23rd Budokai but he's already too tall to be compared to teen Gohan, not to say that this ''Teen'' Goku is older than Ultimate Gohan that fough Super Buu. No matter what, height in Dragon ball makes less sense than power levels anyway. Pilaf Saga, 21st Budokai and Red Ribon Army - Kid Goku *3 years skip 22nd Budokai and King Piccolo saga - Teen Goku 23rd Budokai - Our old Adult Goku

[@VITAS874]

He should do full re animation with full freedom.

[@imarock.7662]

I still honestly would love a Dragon Ball Z remake that would look like the Super Hero intro. It's a pipe dream, but I'd still love to see it purely because giving some amazing iconic scenes some new flair.

[@daxterrack]

Dragon ball remake could be like, alternate Goku who keeps his tail.

[@rockmanfan5104]

I have a better idea here release a proper blu ray of the dragonbox Z

[@specialnewb9821]

Kubota's hand drawn section is incredibly beautiful. I enjoyed the 3D style but Kubota is definitely better than Shintani's version. Maybe a couple of movies for the big parts.