Is the Stoner 63 Really So Good? Shooting the Mk23, Bren, and 63A Carbine

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Is the Stoner 63 really as good of a gun as everyone says? Today is my first opportunity to try one out on the range, and I'm going to look at it in three different configurations: the Mk23 SEAL light machine gun, the "Bren" style automatic rifle, and the carbine. Let's see how it handles!
I owe a tremendous thanks to Movie Armaments Group in Toronto for the opportunity to take the Stoner kit out to the range! Check them out on Instagram to see many of the guns in their extensive collection: / moviearmamentsgroup
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[@dixinormous8539]

5 slicks, 3 dangs and a darn, we have a winner

[@TheAKgunner]

You forgot the holy cow.

[@TheAKgunner]

And the geez.

[@TheAKgunner]

You know what? This gun's a definite winner. Hands down. No question about it.

[@gunguide9201]

Mg42 / mg3 for ever

[@ironstarofmordian7098]

@@gunguide9201 go home buddy. Stoner only!

[@mikeshea398]

Stoner: We made a weapon that is highly accurate, little reoil and dependable and the troops love it!! Military: Nah, we don't want it.

[@bodyno3158]

You can add “cheap” in the first sentence.

[@alephkasai9384]

@@bodyno3158 Is it actually cheap?

[@bodyno3158]

@@alephkasai9384 Cheaper than dirt if mass produced, expensive as fuck if not mass produced, a rule of thumb for stamped metal products.

[@bullet996]

Its hard to maintain tho

[@fenrirunshackled4319]

It malfunctioned once at the start, it would hurt the hands of whoever was shooting it if they were doing standing fire. The charging hangle reciprocated twice, then stuck in the back position at 1:16. You really don't want to randomly making your machine gunner unable to shoot every once in a while, or make them drop their machine gun from shoulder height.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

This gun suffered from "it was too advanced for it's time". Truly pearls are wasted when casted before swine.

[@lespectator4962]

Amen to that

[@cpi3267]

it was too finnicky for conscripts to use

[@fender7695]

It’s like the semi auto Japanese rifles & experimental smgs & the stg43. Way to advanced for their time and the army/military were idiots for not realizing how much better it would’ve been than bolt actions and machine gun formations.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

@FlitzerFlash It only makes sense if you're smart, don't worry about it.

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

@FlitzerFlash at least I know what that phrase means, unlike you. 😂🤣😂🤣

[@Hillbilly_Papist]

"If you ever get the chance to shoot a stoner..." OK Nixon, calm down.

[@JacatackLP]

Philip Farley underrated comment

[@delmaneboshoff5610]

Hahahaha....

[@maniac117]

Philip Farley ...with a stoner

[@mace8873]

It very rarely happens that I read something that makes me lol, but this did, thanks!:-D

[@MrMasMola]

Genius.

[@LeverBEAST]

*Slaps roof of Stoner 63* "This boy can fit so much slickness in it!"

[@63Hayden]

I've never heard somebody refer to the top of a gun as the "roof".

[@TheActiveAssault]

lol

[@tedarcher9120]

*Slaps the belt cover

[@Floris_VI]

@@tedarcher9120 but what if you have it in the rife configuration?

[@Sin526]

@@tedarcher9120 *top cover

[@samobispo1527]

I liked Stoner's original idea to call the gun the M69W. Flip the receiver over to go from one configuration to the other, and the engraving on the receiver would still say "M69W."

[@Cheesusrice69222]

Call it the racecar

[@lamarzimmermanmennonitefar5269]

Anything with 69 in it!😆

[@adamhauskins6407]

Holy shit

[@PhantomSavage]

... I am in absolute shock at the near complete lack of recoil..

[@DzinkyDzink]

5.56...

[@maggi98mw]

@@DzinkyDzinkthat's not the reason tho.

[@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas]

@@maggi98mw Yup the m-249 has more recoil than a m-16/4

[@airplanemaniacgaming7877]

@@DubhghlasMacDubhghlas it's lovely how the gun designs make the recoil. like Ian says in the video, it's the heavy barrel configuration that makes the recoil so nice.

[@someanarchist6021]

@@DzinkyDzink please, be quite

[@Daniel-xe7xd]

Being called "very slick" by Ian is the highest form of praise a weapon can get

[@joekahno]

Gun Jesus doth spake unto the multitudes. "Dang!" And it was slick.

[@GuderII]

Haleluyaaahh

[@spazemfathemcazemmeleggymi272]

Amen😂

[@markmurphy1285]

I know what Ian wants for Christmas

[@worldtraveler930]

As do I!

[@spretcher]

A Mosin-Nagant!

[@swedishviking4086]

Its his birthday remember!

[@SergeantQuackersThe2nd]

FG-42. Who doesn't love German Engineering?

[@LDZMarder]

A second Vietnam war?

[@dragonbutt]

"I've never shot a stoner before, i've heard all the hype" This is the best thing out of context

[@boymahina123]

Agreed

[@inprice123]

It took me a moment

[@dannybolman7739]

Stoners are chill.

[@JonatasAdoM]

@@dannybolman7739 Like the gun?

[@pastorofmuppets325]

@T S Just post up outside the Taco Bell and wait... 😉

[@chitoryu12]

You know it's good when Ian says "the hype is real".

[@dakaptan6601]

i think my garden hose has more recoil than that machine gun

[@TheWorldEnd2]

i don't know if this is boasting about dick-size, criticising the gun or just a man with a really big lawn and very bad legs

[@DIMZEROCENT]

Still using that firetruck in your garden ?

[@Felixthecatz]

@@TheWorldEnd2 you don't know? Wow unbelievable!

[@barrysmith1202]

right, purdy unreal-- just think, the u s cooda ditched the frigging ml6 in '63, maybe added a 762nato version/s, forget about 249, 240, m2l sniper, just stoner variants, hi-cap drums

[@scottmurphy650]

@Tyler More Were you drunk or high when you wrote this? It makes no sense.

[@robertmoses3238]

I Served with 3/1 1st marine division Weapons platoon in early 67, we had the stoner 63a and I fell in love with it. It felt and shot like a real military weapon. If I can remember we had it for almost 4 months, Then we took in the M16 Which felt like a downgrade in weapons.

[@yaboosnubs]

That's an elite's club. By chance, do you have any pictures from that period?

[@burnssy112]

Legend

[@Brunothechillman]

i can only imagine by the fact of how mean and reliable the stoner 63 seems to be

[@stoner63reflex65]

M16s were pieces of shit fr

[@JoeZap-b5c]

Mother goose !

[@engasal]

That carbine, aesthetically, is beautiful. Look at it's lines and colour and perfect proportions. Stunning

[@mccellenlol4163]

The only thing it’s missing is a va jay jay. I’d still let it chew on my wick though.

[@atomikcosmonaut522]

It is very pleasing to look at

[@DitzyClouds]

age old comment but i have to agree. its like a blend of AR a bit of AK sprinkled with some spass12

[@Regularguy220]

@@DitzyClouds looks like a m16 with the vented barrel and the spas 12 folding stock. Absolutely sexy though

[@exhoost_fume4646]

"I've never shot a stoner before":Ian McCollum.

[@DavidCowie2022]

Juliano Pieters Dude.

[@cptreech]

Crying with laughter.

[@samh1022]

USA Police like this post.

[@aaronorr5586]

Heyyyyy maaaan... not cool...🤪🚬

[@dksdg]

Sorry eh

[@alanwatts8239]

"very slick" *shoots a bit more* "wow, it's very slick* *shoots a lot more* "gee this thing is very slick indeed"

[@therideneverends1697]

Exceptionally S L I C C

[@edi12312]

Dang.

[@BeltFedSelfDefense]

@YeastyGeorge well ok if you say no homo

[@bryanstellfox8521]

Wouldja look at that? Wouldja just look at it?

[@drmaudio]

Awesome. It looked like movie shooting. No appreciable recoil or rise, just a little smooth push.

[@stoneblue1795]

Kind of hard to make out what his mates were talking about, maybe ask them to speak louder next time?

[@arkan5000]

If Hickok ever fires this gun, i want him to say "let's smoke some pot with the stoner"

[@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248]

I can hear him saying that in my head 😂

[@ecoop20]

"Let's smoke some pot and get stoned"

[@RamadaArtist]

Howdy Icarus, love the profile portrait.

[@brotherscoobs]

😅😅

[@richmeister22]

Gun Jesus hath found his holy grail, and it was slick.

[@markone6861]

😁😂😂

[@Oblithian]

Let's be honest, he looks more like hippie Col. Sanders. Except instead of chicken he serves buckets of hot lead.

[@johnnybagofdoughnuts4193]

Oblithian yours is an accurate comment

[@themanformerlyknownascomme777]

I thought the holy grail was the G11?

[@4i4kov]

Error63: RecoilNotFound

[@SlimRhyno]

I wish someone would put that on a hoodie for me.

[@Floris_VI]

@@SlimRhyno there are sites where you can print out your own text on a shirt or sweater, and not even that expensive

[@delmaneboshoff5610]

Visually it doesn't appear to have any recoil but I'm pretty sure it does have some felt recoil perhaps just not as much in the auto/machine gun configuration as it does with say the carbine setup.

[@pledgegamer]

Another treat for those who watch the original video to the end

[@hilltop4847]

LICricket eh?

[@JohnDoe-ff2fc]

@@hilltop4847 when in Rome, do as the Romans?

[@downunderrob]

Bloody funny. 😆

[@Panzergraf]

OK, but is it really slick?

[@j.yossarian6852]

Damn boy he SLICC, that's a SLICC ass boy! Ba-bow!

[@tibfulv]

I think he forgot to mention it was slick.

[@eriksigge4059]

I read this comment 2:48 Lol

[@1971irvin]

I guess it's slick...lol 😂

[@Arthurzeiro]

THICK barrel = SLICK action

[@ChrisB-zz8dh]

They call it a stoner because it just lays their and doesn’t move and eats everything you give it!!

[@SFforlife]

OH SHIT!

[@braydenmatthews5751]

it’s called a stoner because eugene stoner made it

[@roguevector1268]

@@braydenmatthews5751 dude. Its a joke.

[@katsu-graphics5634]

laughing my butt off. . . . . . .

[@chrispbacon3042]

@@roguevector1268 humour is wasted on some folks.

[@normandy1140]

Those Stoner machine guns were really ahead of its time. They were not phased out of the Navy until about early 90s or something like that. It was crazy they were in inventory for so long. I spoke to a Vietnam-era SEAL colleague at my firm about the Stoner. I asked him about the Stoners and he said the SEALs really valued those weapons. I asked why I never saw Army SF with Stoners in any Vietnam footage/photos. He said the Army SF guys really wanted the Stoner, but for some reason the Army would never procure them. Their supply system just didn't work like that.

[@Seasniffer69]

I'm pretty sure some SOG guys used the stoner in the early 60s

[@rexringtail471]

The SEALs benefitted from Big Navy not really caring about them at all, and so letting them do whatever they wanted with almost no oversight in regards to acquisition. You're some Naval Aviator or SWO admiral and a burly fellow comes in saying he needs machine gun X to do his commando stuff-- you would have no reason to not assume he knows what he is talking about. A lot more ego etc in the army chain.

[@LeftThumbBreak]

The crazy thing is they still are ahead of our time.

[@Myrmidon26]

Full Auto FG42 and Stoner 63 videos in one week, holy unicorn batman Ian. You're living the dream and making us all green with envy. Good job!

[@jan-reiniervoute6701]

Yes, quite. Discussed the stoner with the developer (or one of them) while providing an original FG 42 for his collection (4 underground armouries!) Never fired (or shot) a stoner but the FG 42 is sonething else.

[@Roger_Stenning]

The first thing I noticed from the shooting was the mahoosively positive extraction and ejection of spent cartridges: The cartridges rotate through 180 degrees on initial extraction and ejection, then the neck of the cartridge bounces off the rear of the ejection port, causing the expended cartridge to bounce off in exactly the same direction each time in either MG or rifle configuration. That sort of consistent and reliable extraction and ejection is damned impressive, and contributes in no small way to the reliability of the weapon system. Other than the intransigence of the ordnance board over there, I cannot see why the Stoner wasn't more widely adopted over there.

[@MrHws5mp]

Yep: what struck me was that the very positive ejection might be exactly why they had problems with the original left-hand belt-feed guns. You could totally see cases coming out with that much energy bouncing off the deflector plate and going straight back into the port.

[@RedLegs13B.]

Reminded me of his recent FG42 video, the spent cartridges were all consistent and even landed in a small cluster. It truly is impressive to get even that to be consistent in a firearm. Damn shame the Stoner 63 didn't see a longer service life and used by more than just Special Forces and select small groups amongst the branches in it's time.

[@jamest4363]

Because its design is intricate and there are better weapons out there.

[@grumples1517]

@Merc Kitsuné Nothing is Marine proof really. There is a reason we are called crayon eaters

[@dksdg]

@@grumples1517 what happened to the ball bearing in the room

[@davidstegemeyer8380]

You guys need to put in target shots edited in to Ian's commentary. I can't think I'm the first person to suggest this. Seeing actual target hits would make such a cool visual addition to Ian's excellent presentation.

[@boneiy]

Yeah, absolutely. The quality of a gun's as much its accuracy as how it appears.

[@Floris_VI]

I think ian doesnt want to misrepresent the accuaracy of the gun by shooting it himself. (i think he said that in a video) And if you are interested in that, he also shoots things on in-rangetv (yt channel) where he does sometimes show his accuracy.

[@ralfiasz]

Yeah, it would be pretty slick.

[@delmaneboshoff5610]

To be fair, I'm not sure if Ian is what some would call a marksman at all, but yeah, I'd love to see on target hits with the weapons he demos on a range. I'm not expecting pinpoint accuracy. But just seeing the ability to keep your shots on target like here with the Stoner in full auto configuration with the belt feed rigged up...

[@bookworm8415]

@@delmaneboshoff5610 It would be a good approximation of how an avg shooter would handle the gun tho.

[@dsbond8048]

Where is the recoil? This looks like a Hollywood special effects machine gun shooting blanks.

[@FuttBuckerson]

@Peder Hansen oversimplifying it a bit, acting as if 5.56 doesn't produce recoil. There are so many guns that shoot that cartridge, especially LMGs that produce significant recoil. You're doing a disservice to eugene stoner's brilliance, particularly in his engineering of this firearm, to act like it's merely a product of the round

[@alexsis1778]

@Peder Hansen Agreed. There's a difference in what you'd field to an average grunt and what you'd give to special forces. The average grunt needs a simple to use/maintain gun that will work reliably. It doesn't need to be the best in its class. Special forces have the training and discipline to be willing to tolerate and learn different quirks for weapons that perform beyond what their contemporaries can do. As Ian always says, everything is a trade off. If you make it durable, its going to be heavy. If you make it light firing, its going to require more maintenance. The fact of the matter is that the ideal for an average soldier is not the ideal for an elite soldier.

[@bookworm8415]

@Peder Hansen and Alexsis Engle I think there has been a huge culture shift since the 80s as well. The 90s into early 00s forced like 3 separate culture changes (Reagan, Bush, Clinton...) into a permanent wartime footing/actual war for 19 going on 20 years. The guys I know would carefully look at a modern version of the Stoner, shrug, and make it sparkle/keep it sparkling especially in the desert. They are, however, the survivors and ones retiring now. So... 4, 5, 6, 7 tours in the sandbox, multiple surges or stop-gap "mini" deployments, etc. Those guys eat bullets and crap out reloads for breakfast and frankly the guys from the 80s and 90s just don't quite match up or became the guys I'm talking about in the early 00s. So, now? I'd say its feasible to deploy something like this. We have a culture that can be used to offset the inevitable problems a complex platform brings. If we lose any more edge then we are back to what we were before these last two decades. I wholeheartedly agree with everything said however you look at it though. I just think we should remember just how professional our current ground branches have become and how highly trained we have made them. But, being senior in a technical military specialty, I might not have the whole clear picture. Just commenting how I see it.

[@gregoryadkins2213]

ds Bond it's a 5.56/223,no recoil.Not like a REAL Caliber 7.62x51/308.

[@monsieurboks]

@@gregoryadkins2213 "rEaL cAlIbRe" Clearly you've never served in any military.

[@chronicsugma4914]

The recoil is so smooth and minimal that it almost looks like it’s a picture that they just added machine gun fire audio to

[@rifles_up2263]

You can absolutely see why the Navy SEALs were willing to do the extra maintenance and care for the absolute fire power superiority these weapons offered at their time!!

[@spearspearspear]

My question now is are the new options legitimately better? Surely because these were phased out but honestly this looks a lot smoother than a m249.

[@iannordin5250]

@@spearspearspear smoothness isn't everything in a machine gun. You gotta remember that heavier MGs like the m249 are meant to either be mounted (where recoil is negligible) or are meant to be suppression machines where putting down as much lead as possible as reliably as possible matters much more than putting it down accurately. The Stoner is/was incredibly finicky for its role where as the M249 can keep shooting almost indefinitely

[@RavensEagle]

@@iannordin5250 huh, last time I heard shooting accurately trough a window where someone might be hiding preventing him from peeking out and shooting back. Was much more reliable then shooting the entire window including the walls.

[@rttakezo2000]

Nor did they have to maintain the gun in the field for weeks on end.

[@iannordin5250]

@@RavensEagle precision shooting is for the riflemen. The MG is there to provide suppression. When you're spraying that window you are putting down a wall of lead into an area to prevent them from moving and shooting back. If your bullets are reliably hitting above, under, to the sides, and on him and his buddies for a sustained duration they're not going to be able to confidently move out of what cover they're in. In that way instead of having three guys cover an area with ARs you get the same effect with one guy armed with what is essentially a bullet hose. Because of this the ability for an mg to quickly cover a wide area with lead matters to the gunner than being able to pull of precise shots, because once again that's not his job

[@Mohboii]

I'd bet the increased recoil of the carbine is due to the weight and position of the gas piston. In MG config that reciprocating mass was below the bore and inline with the stock, but with the rifle it's above the bore and stock.

[@sgthl]

Yeah, that is exactly what is happening.

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

Plus the heavy barrel!

[@PassportToPimlico]

@@ExtremeUnction1988 and longer.

[@justinhutyler2385]

If you watch without any sound, it’s very difficult to tell when the rifle is actually firing since there is basically no visible recoil. Awesome achievement, what an extremely talented engineer.

[@THESLlCK]

very good observation, crazy to see

[@MatthewSmith-to1hz]

Eugene stoner was a freaking genius. Change my mind I dare you.

[@LOVEMUFFIN_official]

Sorry: I only undertake dares where I have a possibility of success.

[@Nostradamus_Order33]

The mechanism looks very similar to the German MG-42. One difference you can clearly see is the magazine box is attached to the bottom of the gun.

[@cerealata9035]

I don't know about you guys, but the Bren-styled Stoner looks very aesthetically appealing to me.

[@matthayward7889]

Superb! Every element of the 63A seems so well designed, from the receiver to the belt box. Really ahead of its time. And that Bren configuration... 👌

[@jamesgarratt9334]

[British Pride Intensifies]

[@matthayward7889]

James Garratt not gonna lie... yes ☺️

[@SurmaSampo]

"If you ever have the chance to shoot a stoner....." please at least let him finish his joint first!

[@charliebrown1134]

Surma Sampo we must get this comment to 420 likes

[@ronschramm9163]

Blessed be the Stoner, for it made Gun Jesus smile with it's righteousness.

[@gunfuego]

Ian: "I've never shot a Stoner before....." Me: **looks around for solid cover**

[@Khoros-Mythos]

Cover is by it's very nature solid, unlike concealment. Commie.

[@gunfuego]

@@Khoros-Mythos nice b8 troll

[@dodhdhdfdffgdhfonhdh]

hits bong* if i get stoned enough they'll think i'm invisible... er.. wait.

[@Thaddeus_Howe]

The little wiggle the mag does in the automatic rifle config is kinda cute for some reason

[@hasanmichael4966]

I like watching the upside down magazine dance as the bullets get pick up, left, right, left, right.

[@mysss29]

*watches again*

[@j.yossarian6852]

S L I C C

[@Vaasref]

D A N G

[@thewaraboo2824]

乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ろレ丨匚匚

[@AnimeFan_2013]

Hahaha

[@Mercutian506]

ＳＬＩＣＣＴＨΣＴＩＣ　（の俺す）

[@aserta]

It's a SLICC boy.

[@dandel351]

I'm glad I watched to the end for the canadian joke

[@ryanvargas4889]

Complete with 5 round burst.

[@CanadianCountryBoyJ]

The best part is that he sounds legitimately Canadian, he even used "Eh" correctly. Kudos Ian, keep the videos coming

[@rsoul7282]

dandel351 don’t put shit on Canadians, they are nice people eh.

[@HalfLifeExpert1]

To me, it seems that the LMG/Automatic rifle variant of the Stoner would have been great for Airborne/Air Assault forces, where weight savings really helps.

[@hugebartlett1884]

I don't think I have ever seen or heard Ian so ecstatic about a gun! He's in love with that little beauty! No wonder,it does just about everything,and so gentle too!

[@american7169]

Thanks for tuning in to another episode of forgotten weapons.I'm Ian and I'm here to make you hella jealous....

[@donpaterson4476]

A !!

[@Themortician123]

... again

[@Statusinator]

He better start his G11 video like that

[@watkinssixtyfive7788]

aint that the truth. the only FAs up here are grandfathered safe queens.

[@nousdefions702]

I was blessed with an opportunity and followed through on purchasing a Stoner 63 at an SOF convention in the 80’s. It is a truly amazing weapon. Barrels and magazines are getting pricey now lol

[@1804unclesam]

I’m rewatching this and I still can’t believe how smooth that thing runs. Until you see a slow motion, you could almost think it’s just machine gun sound effects.

[@Shawon65]

All the black ops1 memory in one video.

[@LoanwordEggcorn]

Wow, the Stoner 63 Mk23 shoots incredibly well. Really well balanced forces. The way it handles recoil is just about perfect.

[@420folife]

Even for the gun being finicky at times the interviews Ive seen from Seals who actually used it in Vietnam and afterwards all said they loved the gun. They all said you had to take extra care in cleaning and maintaining it but overall it was in awesome shooter and very adaptable...

[@cruzerlououtdoors1940]

Yeah, I'm jealous lol. Stoner 63 is by far my favorite LMG, I have read many accounts of S.E A.L.s using it in Vietnam and most loved it.

[@rayman5718]

I would like to see a side-by-side comparison of the Stoner 63 and some other 5.56x45mm Machine guns firing in slow-motion.

[@AtlasJotun]

Open a second window...

[@mtnbound2764]

not only that, but also their ability to put rounds on target. this thing looks like its point and and squeeze, while staying where you pointed it lol

[@ghostdog2041]

My dad is a big Vietnam amateur historian. He loves reading books about the specials forces and SOG ops. We have many times tried to understand why the military gave up on the Stoner. It must have been political. They are supposed to be great, lightweight weapons.

[@mathewa.4032]

ghostdog2041 With the combination of being a remarkably lightweight, smooth shooting belt fed machine gun/SAW it is easy to assume that the only reason that it wasn’t fully adopted by the military was political. That actually wasn’t the case though. While it was a brilliant design the brilliance of it was actually it’s downfall so to speak as the brilliance of its design was far too complex for the military as a whole. Too many parts to lose for careless grunts in the Army. The complexity also made it finicky. It ran with just enough gas pressure to operate reliably(which contributed to it’s smooth shooting/low recoil). Since that was the case frequent and regular maintenance was a must for it to operate reliably. A neglecting amount of carbon buildup in the gas tube and other areas of the weapon would cause it to malfunction or jam. With it using just enough gas to operate, it did not run well and/or reliably dry and required too frequent lubrication. As you probably know it was fully adopted by the Navy Seals and remained in their arsenal till the 80’s. As for the explanation why only the Navy Seals fully adopted it and kept it in their arsenal for as long as they did you have to consider the following. The Navy Seals being a small unit with shorter mission durations, not operating as frequently as regular Army units did, and being better trained/disciplined to understand the operation of the weapon platforms they were being deployed with knew they could(since they had more time to between operations), and would stay on top of the maintenance it required to be the effective weapon that it was.

[@MrFusselig]

@@mathewa.4032 That makes a lot sense :)

[@delmaneboshoff5610]

@@mathewa.4032 Your explanation as to the reason behind it makes a lot of sense, it is a damn shame though that it wasn't adopted into a wider arena of service though. Looking at the slow motion/high speed camera shots the recoil on this thing is hardly even worth mentioning at all.... Yes it's there, but your ability to keep your shits on target is very high from what I am seeing here. I think this may also have had a huge effect on the accuracy of this weapon

[@imgvillasrc1608]

@@mathewa.4032 Though, wouldn't changes of the Stoner be made to make it more rugged and simpler if the US military adopted it? It happened with rifles such as the M16 and SA80. Both had their issues fixed once their respective militaries started caring about it.

[@spearfisherman308]

@@mathewa.4032 yeah but the m60 as Ian pointed out had low quality parts that didn’t last long even though it was a good shooting gun so, the stoner being sidelined for political reasons makes sense.

[@nafisbernafas9073]

Recoil : *exists* Stoner 63 : I'm about to end this man's whole career

[@nafisbernafas9073]

@John Deez That's what comment sections are full of unfortunately

[@nafisbernafas9073]

@John Deez Thank you. I just don't have the creativity

[@nafisbernafas9073]

@John Deez That's the best I can come up with. Besides, it's not exactly copy paste of the meme that's so unoriginal it's sickening

[@Floris_VI]

I'd phrase it more like: Stoner 63: exists Recoil: am I a joke to you?

[@Floris_VI]

@John Deez if thats something you are willing to worry about, maybe you should find more things to do haha

[@ArtyTheta]

The way the mag jiggles in "bren gun" mode is killing me lmao

[@billy.g3597]

This gun is so well thought out I bet the mag jiggle was put in on purpose. When it really starts flapping around you know it's nearly empty !!!.

[@shawniscoolerthanyou]

As a lefty myself, I too had to conform when in a 240 or 249 gunner role. Now the M2 was about as ambidextrous as it gets.

[@grayjinghutongz8393]

Hey Ian. Love seeing you shoot different guns from everyone else and see them working, but a down range shot at the target makes the videos way more interesting. Maybe a second camera insert of the target like Cap and Ball does?

[@larsjeger4346]

I think the recoil sensation difference is related to the gas tube configuration. When the gas tube is under the barrel it seems like more of the mass of the piston and carrier are more in line with the stock, which the stock is slightly lower than a lot of the moving mass during cycling like an AK

[@ExtremeUnction1988]

Agreed. There's definitely something to that. BUT, don't forget the automatic configurations have that MUCH heavier barrel profile, and five inches more barrel to boot.

[@zzchief8035]

Stoner 63 you’re too beautiful for this world and it doesn’t deserve you

[@someguy2741]

Hi Ian. You mentioned tungsten weights in the gas tubes. Do you think those are there to combat muzzle climb? I wonder if the carbine version being less impressive is because those weights now impart muzzle climb because the gas tube is now on top?

[@muddyhotdog4103]

probably still has to do with bolt bounce in full auto

[@FluffRat]

The weights aren't going to impart their energy until after the carrier stops and changes direction, and the weight of the piston itself is going to be considerably more.

[@JumaiPL]

Mr Sullivan had worked on it, he has done a lot of work on reduced/constant recoil system. He's responsible for the Ultimax 100. I don't know if the Stoner 63 does that, but that dude is a big hint.

[@alimanski7941]

Perhaps also the fact that in the machine-gun configuration, the gas tube is much closer to a substantial point-of-contact - the bipod.

[@gungho1345]

I'm thinking part of the difference in recoil would be because of open vs closed bolt

[@chitoryu12]

The ejection itself can be used as a weapon against an enemy standing to your left.

[@alexanderstrickland9036]

Cody Cromarty look up the brass fling a hk roller delayed blowback(g3/ptr91/hk91) gives They literally shoot the brass over 20 feet to your right. And eject with such force it generally mangled the casing(the actual ejection, not the bouncing out part).

[@jonasgrant]

The ultimate counter to a micro-managing officer :P

[@issackliener3065]

1:45 "That is just.... damn" Think it's safe to say that this gets Gun Jesus's approval

[@mdlanor5414]

I find it amazing that the empty cartridges coming out the receiver hit the exact same place on the receiver every single time. This is one precision machine gun. The empty cartridges aren’t flying all over the place like many full automatic machine guns usually do.

[@TurboDog73TX]

What an awesome piece of weponry.. Eugene Stoner was indeed a genius.

[@londonjolly9174]

I've known about time travel for a few weeks now, and i usually avoid it (for timeline reasons), but damnit I want a 63 now and I have to see how it shoots! EDIT: Oh my god.

[@hakon5873]

Can u post a vid on how to time travel please

[@xmm-cf5eg]

That's a Shadman profile picture innit?

[@londonjolly9174]

@@xmm-cf5eg maybe yes, maybe no. Depends, do you have Twins?

[@Drrolfski]

This gun is OP, even for a video game. Pls nerf.

[@caffeinatedinsanity2324]

Killing Floor 2 would say the opposite.

[@MysticTheDarkElf]

@@caffeinatedinsanity2324 And that actually makes me wonder if an actual foregrip fitted to the charging handle of the Stoner 63A would work or if it would just make it liable to jam up due to the user risking manipulation of the bolt while the gun is firing.

[@matsimento]

@@MysticTheDarkElf could attach the side mounted charging handle instead. which would probably be a better thing to do with that ammo box underneath in the machine gun configuration

[@GuntherRommel]

Less QQ, more Pew Pew

[@GamingProspector84]

Frédérick Germain Aiming for facial obliterates zeds.

[@MrCheckitout123]

the book: "Good to Go" has some great stories about the this weapon system use by SEALs.

[@bookworm8415]

Thanks, ill pick it up

[@wrenchboostboi8994]

Beautifully designed machine

[@96SN95]

8:37 Aww.. I thought the whole thing was just magic... 😂

[@Tulip1811]

1 million! Congratulations Ian, it's been a pleasure to watch you grow the channel into one of the best on KZbin. Here's to 10 million!

[@Cannibal713]

Wow, great video Ian! Out of the park! Never seen an honest to goodness video of the Stoner 63, it's such a "unicorn". Thanks gun Jesus

[@TheMinecraftfreak668]

With that much slick, it should be renamed to Slickey 63

[@taskforcenine6559]

The Slick, Slicker and Slickest 63, from Stoner 63

[@JimmySailor]

The carbine length barrel must have a larger gas port. Since it shares a gas tube length with all versions I’m guessing they had to open up the carbine’s gas port to get it to cycle properly. Otherwise the same tube with a long barrel would be vastly over-gassed. As a result the short carbine barrel is over-gassed by comparison to the LMG. That’s what’s causing the “AK” feel to the carbine, as AK’s are usually over gassed as well.

[@samuelleal6149]

Ian: "This shoots like an AK" Me: AK 63

[@santasdeath1]

I've been waiting on a Stoner video like this for a while! Thanks for all your hard work! I always recommend this video to my friends but the way I describe it is that Ian is an anthropologist (because he is) for gun history. You're making an amazing catalogue thanks again!

[@jeffkirchberg]

All his videos are great but my biggest gripe and I'm sure I'm not the only one is that they never show us shooting any steel and or paper targets, especially with videos exactly like this when it could prove his point so much better. It just escapes me. N e ways keep up the good work. Have learned much

[@jagx234]

The M249 was rock solid on target at full auto, but a heavy bitch. This looks like just as controllable, but without so much pain to carry. I wanna try!

[@4wazza]

Awww but where would the fun be in giving it to the smallest guy/ girl on course

[@jasemac5391]

Wow this is incredible, the smoothest LMG I have ever seen 👍🏻🇦🇺

[@dennisthorhalvorsen7168]

Hands down the coolest sounding gun ever, movie-like sound, not boosted or anything!! I love it!!

[@ZGryphon]

"That's one of the configurations of Stoner that you just don't see very often." Yes, as opposed to the belt-fed LMG version, which I have to push out of my way to get to more interesting things in every gun shop I visit. I mean I know what he meant, but it's just funny how he said it. Right? Just me? Maybe my dad? OK.

[@Shepard_AU]

Congrats on 1 million subscribers!!

[@miguelencanarias]

Gun Jesus having a "Thank You Jesus" moment. Priceless.

[@03cobraforsale54]

It’s wild to see any machine gun fire at full speed and not move. Thanks for the content man!

[@jcameronferguson]

Ian's "dang"s almost outnumber his "slick"s, that's how you know he's having a good time 🤘

[@simontan6248]

Continuous recoil. Carrier doesn't bottom out. See Ultimax. Same guy.

[@kylewhite8434]

Simon Tan I was wondering when Ian would get to check that out

[@idontwanttoputmyname403]

@@kylewhite8434 I feel like he has already actually. I might just be thinking of when he talked to Jim Sullivan.

[@shawnchung5336]

Hi Simon, read a lot of your stuff on TankNet forums. Ian has shot the SAR-21, but not the Ultimax 100. He has interviewed Sullivan.

[@krmould]

Hmmm.... I think Ian likes it!"Ah, I'm really sorry about that, eh!" Ian, you crack me up.

[@dougler500]

At the first burst my eyes widened and my jaw dropped. That is very, very impressive.

[@jonminer9891]

Hi, Ian. I was really impressed with the belt-fed version of the 63. Good shooting, Ian. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

[@ThommyofThenn]

your form getting the gun to shoulder is so clean brother. so fast

[@thompsonjerry3412]

Stoners are easy targets, they just sit on the couch.

[@s1n1stersixsgaming8]

Or in the snack aisle, only thing they're a danger too, lol.

[@skoll_2024]

Safer than goin to school.

[@509Gman]

I’m reminded of the Bren gun scene in “Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels”

[@TJWDawg]

Not gonna lie. This kinda makes me want to build (or have built) an AR-15 that top feeds.

[@j.yossarian6852]

Is such a thing even possible?

[@crazyfvck]

+ @@j.yossarian6852 Anything is possible ;) There is already a top-feed AR upper available, which ejects out of the magwell on the lower. However, it is not in 5.56/223. Instead, it uses the P90/PS90 50rd magazines, and is chambered for the wonderful little 5.7 round. As for me, I am considering buying one of the belt feed AR conversions, because I don't have any belt fed weapons in my collection :)

[@j.yossarian6852]

@@crazyfvck Are you telling me that people have built P90 ARs rather than just buying a P90?

[@crazyfvck]

@@j.yossarian6852 Yup :) Some people do it just to have something different. Others do it because they love the 5.7 round, but they prefer the ergonomics/handling of the AR platform vs the P90/PS90.

[@birdie021]

@@j.yossarian6852 Some people are incapable of accepting that the AR isn't the best most perfect gun ever and can do any job a gun should do.

[@SitInTheShayd]

The Canadian joke at the end lmfao I love being a Canuck

[@ivanperkovic6295]

I love how compact the thing is

[@fortnex9972]

Never knew Stoner 63 untill you show it. And now... Man I love that gun!!!

[@Pcm979]

Fascinating. I wonder if there'd be a way to keep its modularity and handling characteristics but make it more grunt-proof.

[@TheNikkiBlack]

There is no such thing. A grunt could break a solid block of steel given enough time and boredom.

[@Glurgi]

I guess it's safe to say that Ian is a stoner, then ;)

[@John1911]

Ha!

[@jic1]

No, he just knows what one would do.

[@TheActiveAssault]

This gun really makes you FEEL slick

[@jackcarver9031]

WOW! I have never seen a gun in my life shoot so smoothly

[@gac3121955]

I had a buddy years ago that was a Seal in Nam. He opened up to me able his experiences. And, he talked about the Stoner. And, Crossbows. And, Purple Microdot.