Enfield MkI Revolver: Merwin Meets Webley (Sort Of)

[@cedi3550]

That “bup” sound when talking about the sailor that died was perfect.

[@diggLincoln]

cedi3550 I laughed my ass off

[@gabe-u4r]

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[@rigormortiz5357]

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[@Awoken_Remmuz]

One of the reasons I love this channel, as a hobby fiction writer Ian has provided many ways for me to spice up the arsenal of my characters. Looks like I found another one *chuckles*

[@Awoken_Remmuz]

@Jacob Dale sad to hear that I personally would love to use old school guns in a rpg, always been a fan of lever and the bolt action and the revolvers etc. That's partly why I made a setting that's basically "what if no gun maker ever figured out recoil based firearms before the world became a hellish wasteland"

[@luansagara]

@@Awoken_Remmuz there is a rpg called deadlands. it's a wild west setting with a spice of steampunk (so you can chase a train in a motorcicle) and also supernatural entities trying to turn the world into a wasteland through fear. it has 2 versions, one is the "classic", which got remastered in 2016 in the 20th aniversary edition and a Savage Worlds, which is a simpler version of the original.

[@Salesman9001]

I populated my 1912 Dieselpunk SG-1 campaign with guns Ian has shown here :D One of my players didn't believe that one of the guns was actually real before seeing Ian showing it (semi auto ww1 conversion).

[@jacobfarley434]

I'm working on a WW1/supernatural/steam and dieselpunk type rpg, so I've found a few weapons here that'd work as well

[@aturkishgamer9790]

I’ve been working on an alt-hist world where smokeless powder never got developed and Ian has been a good source of information for a long while

[@Arphalia]

The quality of your videos and the breadth of your knowledge never ceases to amaze me Ian. Truly a fascinating piece here.

[@GunFunZS]

I think that ejection system is still a real step up from gate ejection like a SAA. I like the front sight too.

[@slaughterhound8793]

That's what I'm thinking too. It might not be the best handgun ever, but people need to stop & consider what else was being used/issued at the same time.

[@MoreCurlsMoreGurls]

To be honest it looks pretty damn good, I'd get one! Looks quite slick and comfortable! Thanks Ian, great video as always :)

[@Quintus_Fontane]

Sorry, Canada. The Mounties are a Commonwealth treasure and deserved better...

[@Max_Flashheart]

It has "Character"

[@jacobfarley434]

I dated a girl like that once.

[@51WCDodge]

Yes it's called Igor!

[@jeffreyknickman5559]

@@jacobfarley434 can you say understatement

[@yoitired]

It's easy to take a good revolver for granted "oh yeah those things have been around forever and are as simple as sliced bread" interesting to see how even they took some time to develop.

[@winstonchurchill237]

Well done Enfield. you made something so simple, so complicated.

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

Webley revolvers, always had an interesting relationship with their junior officers who were issued with them. Dad, brought a pair of .38 Fosbury Webleys back from WW2. They were his holdout guns. I'm about as much use with a small arm, as a chocolate tea pot.

[@fourgedmushrooms5958]

Wow very interesting gun! Extractor mechanism makes a lot of sense! Love this channel!

[@sadwingsraging3044]

I remember seeing this revolver being used in an old black and white movie. Even the actor was smart enough to break it open on its side.....

[@jeffreyl.7210]

You have the best job in the world. I would love to see and handle all those firearms.

[@Mr9Guns]

These were used prolifically by the North West Mounted Police in Canada and saw service during the 1885 North West rebellion, probably the most live service the guns saw.

[@jeffreyfwagner]

That thing is more homely looking than my #2 Enfield. Thanks for another excellent video.

[@davidgreen5099]

I love my no.2 Enfield.

[@corecheng4833]

But does it brew tea?

[@zombieapocalipse2020]

Everything should be able to brew a cuppa!

[@jacobfarley434]

After Ian demonstrate the BV, he'll go through the "Oh my God, the revolver is on fire" drill.

[@VCYT]

No but Coffee, with a kitkat.

[@natemmerson6849]

Ah yes, picking the obviously inferior firearm for the military, good to see we've kept up that tradition then with the SA80

[@natemmerson6849]

@@iatsd I have not, simply making a joke on the stereotype of the SA80 being bad. Didn't mean to present myself as knowing anything I don't, apologies if that's how it came across :)

[@ozdavemcgee2079]

As a Seargent once said to us..men have faith in your equipment, after all the cheapest tender one lol

[@engineeredlifeform]

Paraphrased in the movie 'Armageddon': "Russian parts, American parts, all made in Taiwan" :-)

[@bartybollocks]

Same as the M14/FAL, M16 debacle then? How many guys died in Vietnam because of the M16 mess.?

[@thescatologistcopromancer3936]

​@@bartybollocksprobably a lot more than reported, but what if they were never there in the first place? Wild

[@SeanPwnery]

There's some beauty in its oddity that's for sure... I'd like to have one some day

[@kevinokeefe8576]

John Cleese's Character Sheriff Langston carries a MkII in the Movie Silverado.

[@mugwump58]

49th, I'm concerned, are the other thousands of you OK?

[@gigachad1879]

Help us Ian is holding us hostage

[@betaich]

Yes, thanks for asking.

[@jacobfarley434]

@@gigachad1879 I hate to break it to you but a lot of interwebs would pay for that experience

[@jimvandemoter6961]

Ian, another great video. When I see an old gun like this I always wonder about the ergonomics. How does it feel in the hand, does it point naturally, or do you have to go through gymnastics to bring the sights in line, and how is the recoil? I'm going to assume it's black powder. Also how does all that compare with other guns of that era? I know I'm suggesting hour long vid, but is that really a bad thing?

[@mattelder1971]

You might like the videos from C&Rsenal, they do get into the ergonomics of the old guns they review.

[@Stargun-vj1uh]

C&Rsenal did a video on this gun very recently, if you want to know more, watch their video!

[@sesfilmsllc]

I’d love if you talked about the Adams conversion.

[@Cletrac305]

I would love to see how they machined the profile on the outside of the cyl back then.

[@Orbytum]

The a depiction of the death of that sailor would be either hysterical or tragic. There is so much potential for a Simsons style who dunnit around this guy.

[@philipsmedia5268]

Ian at some point could you do a review on an obscure British rifle the L98A1 if you can get hold of it in the US. I think many You Tubers may not have seen this firearm before and do not know of its intriguing history. The L98A1 and L98A2 both were general purpose training rifles based on the SA80 platform, used by civilian organizations backed MOD in the UK mostly ACF and CCF units. It would give many people an insight into military weapons adapted to meet UK firearms law and the politics behind it. Thanks for all the great content I really enjoy the forgotten weapons series.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

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[@philipsmedia5268]

Forgotten Weapons Thank you!

[@makara80]

....never thought I'd hear the name 'Owen Jones' being credited with something actually constructive. ;)

[@mutelatedLEMON]

i was thinking something along those lines lel

[@twobob8585]

Or actually of any use.

[@hamm6033]

Wish you had posted a link to RIA. Great video as usual. I really appreciate all the work you put into all these videos and the videos on your sister channel, and Full 30. The list goes on. Hahaha.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

I can't - KZbin does not allow links to sites that sell firearms.

[@hamm6033]

@@ForgottenWeapons : Dam I am disgusted by KZbin. I have hopes for an Internet bill of rights but guessing we will get screwed in the end. I'm also on Full 30. Bookmarked so I just go straight there, one tap service. Well thanks again for all the work you do for us.

[@elorangeman]

I have a top break Enfield revolver in .32 S&W. I did do some research on it because the hammer doesn't have the hook to cock it back and supposedly they were shaved off for tank commanders so that it was wouldn't get caught on anything while being pulled out. It's rather neat and despite it being single action fun to shoot.

[@riverstyxarmory9782]

Yeah, originally Webley D/A revolvers had their hammers 'bobbed' to make sure they didn't catch on anything. However, someone could always come along and bob it after the way to take a tank 'model' (wasn't an actual adopted model, per se) to increase it's value. I hope they didn't though, because Webleys kinda get mamed more than they should.

[@elorangeman]

@@riverstyxarmory9782 mine is an Enfield though. And while someone could have done that with mine, I doubt it since the metal looks even all over. The price wasn't too bad either, picked it up at a gun show for about $100.

[@riverstyxarmory9782]

@@elorangeman no idea why I saw Enfield and read Webley. I just like Webleys I guess.

[@skepticalbadger]

@@elorangeman It will be a No.2 Mk.I* or 1**, designed with the bobbed hammer, but not for tankers per se; for everyone.

[@elorangeman]

@@riverstyxarmory9782 lol. No worries my dude. It's probably the quintessential British revolver.

[@xXGatekeeper49Xx]

At least you can say this model of revolver has at least one confirmed kill.

[@nickbremner6274]

These revolvers were designed (in a matter of days!) at the government owned factory at Enfield, North London because Army officers were required to privately purchase their own weapons at the time. They were permitted to own any make or model they desired as long as it accepted the calibre the government supplied to troops - but there was an increase in the size of the armed forces at the time and therefore a lack of privately manufactured small arms in government calibre available for newly commissioned officers to buy. This revolver was the first weapon provided by the state for officers, it was not a usual practice at the time for the rank and file to carry any arms other than their issue rifle/musket.

[@ThunderChunky101]

British revolvers all look so heavy and sturdy.

[@TheLateRepublic]

If I remember correctly, it is also the kind of revolver John Watson would have had in A Study in Scarlet

[@samhenderson2947]

Grandad had one of these in ww2. Given to him by a nurse. Wish we still had it.

[@diggLincoln]

Ian likes the word bits and I like that fact

[@brendanmulhall9095]

The pawn stars should bring him on as their expert, he actually knows what he is talking about

[@erik_dk842]

That would be totally against the concept of that ****show

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

Isn't there some monster revolver around, possibly an early Webley, that took a .577 cartridge? That used to fascinate me as a kid. Props to you if you can find it and know what the ballistics were.

[@Kevin-mx1vi]

I believe there was a Webley revolver named the "Bulldog" that fired a large calibre cartridge. Never seen one, though I think it may have been used by the Royal Irish Constabulary, and for some reason was popular with assassins in a number of South American banana republics.

[@dubsy1026]

@@Kevin-mx1vi the bulldog was a pocket revolver, so I don't think so. Webley did make a revolver that fired .577 boxer though.

[@troy9477]

There was a 577 Adams back in the day. Popular in India service and certain other places. Very large revolver firing a large caliber blackpowder cartridge. Just the thing for "wog-smashing", as the Victorian gentlemen would have said. I don't remember the ballistics, but it was heavy and slow. The bullet would have been over 300 grains. There was a magazine article some years ago (pretty sure it was Garry James in Guns & Ammo), and Hamilton Bowen has recreated the cartridge in recent years and modified a few Redhawks to shoot it.

[@rodzynson]

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[@chardtomp]

John Cleese carries I think a mark 2 Enfield in the western Silverado.

[@StrangerOman]

2:30 The truth is... this revolver was rigged from the start.

[@jetwash7]

Wow, that loading gate predates Ruger's early 1970s modification of the Colt single action by a fair number of years

[@piritskenyer]

I can't help it, but looking at the top rear end of the frame, it makes me think of a Sig P226. Just how the lines are shaping.

[@plainnsimplme]

According to what i remember from c&rsenal channel the safety is the hammer rebound...

[@jonathanjollimore4794]

Yea most of the people at school treated me pool scum but Ian was cool guy treated me like human begin

[@felix4459]

If you ever get the chance, please do a video on the M1600

[@PavewayJDAM]

So the 1886 version of the sig 320?

[@CanSurplus]

Just some history for you the Royal Canadian Mounted Police did not use this gun. they were known as the North-West Mounted Police (NWMP) at the time. love your videos! i watch them as soon as you put them up no matter what you are reviewing.

[@TheWozWizard]

Ian mentioned patents by Owen Jones, well, for us techno-nerds here they are 179,026 dated 20 June 1876 and 189,360 dated 10 April 1877.

[@JS-ob4oh]

Could you elaborate as to why the safety issue was such a surprise to the British? All revolvers up until the transfer bar system was invented were known to be dangerous to carry with the hammer resting on a loaded chamber. Isn't that why the original Colt revolver was changed from 5 chambers to 6 chambers so the hammer can be resting on an empty chamber and still have 5 loaded as oppose to the original which would only afford 4 loaded chambers. Isn't that why revolvers such as Remington had grooves between chambers so the hammer can be resting in-between loaded chambers? Why in the 1880's did the British not understand this?

[@harak58]

Well it wasn't the transfer bar that allows you to carry a fully loaded revolver safely, it's the rebounding hammer which had been around for a while by the time this revolver came out. I can't speak as to what safety measures this gun used prior or post modification.

[@leventehatar5644]

#2:41 im actually very drunk but i cant stop laughing at this moment : "pup dead right on the spot there" :D

[@leventehatar5644]

i have watching this moment about 5 min :D

[@Shadow_Hawk_Streaming]

Is there a video on the ww2 era Enfield revolver? Allegedly they also had the dropping issue.

[@thomasball5432]

I thought we'd switched to Webley revolvers by that point

[@Pcm979]

I'd be interested in reading more about the auto-ejecting version. Do you know anywhere I can find out more off the top of your head?

[@davidstegman8147]

They should have went with a S&W #3.

[@sandmanhh67]

Well theres an interesting story around that. Ever noticed how a Webley uses the same sort of break eject system as a S&W Model 3? Thats because when S&W were swamped by the Russian order for model 3s they sub contracted iwth manufacturers in Belgium and the UK to help make the guns. Webley was one of the UK firms they contracted...and then they just swiped the design features and hey presto - the classic Webley top break was born. Having examples of both I have to say the Webley improved on the S&W by getting rid of the ridiculous backstrap and grip being canted so far back from the hammer. I do love the S&W M3 though.... it really is a true US classic.

[@trooperdgb9722]

@@sandmanhh67 The Russians certainly swiped the design...they basically reverse engineered the S&W pistols and built them at Tula apparently. I can find no reference to Webley doing anything similar... other than producing LICENSED copies of S&W's "Tip up" break actions. No doubt the Webley people were not going to forget the S&W designs when producing the Webley-Pryse in 1877 It worked both ways of course...Webleys "British Bulldog" revolvers were apparently widely copied by both European AND American gun makers....

[@leppeppel]

Three revolver videos in one week? Praised be Gun Jesus!

[@mr.justaguy9009]

yeah it's an old video, i can't seem to find the answer in the comment section. if it's there, please point me to it. does anyone have a clue what the wings under the forcing cone area would be for? the only thing i can think of would be to assist in reholstering. to keep the abrupt sharp edges of the cylinder from catching on a possibly kinda floppy holster. just a thought.

[@trunch58]

Ah, indeed. That Gun From Silverado -- yes, I know it well...

[@mikekemp9877]

at the timee officers bought their own sidearms like winston churchills mauser c96 at omdurman. but obviously they needed a service pistol regardless for large wars or emergency so o think the thinking was they needed a revolver but it doesnt have to be that good as most officers wont carry it it will be used in ships arsenals and storage mostly.eventually as it seemed the best gun of the period officers bought webleys so it was then easy for the war dept to adopt that.

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

What an odd looking revolver. A very interesting extraction system. Could you spin the cylinder to remove the empties? The double broad arrow information was also quite interesting!

[@51WCDodge]

The double arrow in this case wa sprobably due to the guy doing it couldn't bear to look at the ugly pices of ..... Though I wonder how much the War Office had to pay someone to take them away?

[@KnifeChatswithTobias]

LOL. Enfield said we'll make it "more gooder" not prettier!

[@alterpanda8988]

hey Ian, at my local gun shop there is a Model 1858 (didn't look at the manufacturer) and there is only one (chamber?) milled out on the cylinder, would this be a target pistol?

[@robertblake9892]

The story of the death of the British sailor sounds a lot like the story of the US sailor, dropped his S&W revolver on the deck of a battleship, it discharged, killing him, that prompted S&W to design a new safety mechanism

[@arrangrant4614]

This was gun used by Dr Watson in Hound of the Baskervilles

[@dorjedriftwood2731]

Looks beautiful to me. Classics have unique lines. New guns looks too similar.

[@giddygone9879]

You need to do Dardicks pistol, please. :)

[@Kungfujoe1110]

From an engineering perspective, it would've been neat if it could've somehow opened the loading gate when the revolver was opened or closed, like, you're opening/closing it as step 1 of the reload process - if step 2 is "open the loading gate", it'd be cool if they could've automated it. Still seems entirely impractical compared to the Webleys...or...you know...mag-fed pistols, but it would've been another neat feature.

[@stephenbond1990]

I wonder if it would have been better received if it was a traditional top break?

[@Spiz103]

How would you unload a misfire? Prod it through the loading gate with a dowel?

[@blobrana8515]

The misfired bullet would remain in the cylinder so you would rotate the cylinder with the misfire at the loading gate position then close the mechanism and the bullet would drop out of the loading gate.

[@Sasaroly]

Enfield: We've got a revolver for you British government: Is it better than comercial models? Enfield: It's actually significantly worse. British government: We'll buy all you have

[@paullytle1904]

Is owen jones the same as the jones underlever

[@karlmoles6530]

Not ugly to me, love the design, looks way better than any Webley to me

[@deepwoodskentuckian]

Ah yes, the British and English for that matter have so many interesting, whimsical and zany ideas around the turn of the 19th and 20th century 😊

[@rawovunlapin8201]

I sort of like the way it looks.

[@surplus3728]

A video on the M95 Mexican Carbine would be awesome!

[@jacobfarley434]

I think Ian has talked about it in the past, just trying to find one to work with

[@surplus3728]

@@jacobfarley434 He's done the Steyr M95 carbine, but I'm referring to the M95 variant of the M93 Spanish Mauser.

[@gigachad1879]

I wonder if Ian actually has a favourite gun?

[@Vulf_Faolan]

I doubt it to be honest. It's like someone who's really into movies or music, they don't have "A favourite", the best they can do is a "Top 25".

[@riverstyxarmory9782]

Ian's favorite gun is France... Just France in general.

[@Vulf_Faolan]

It's a good gun.

[@gigachad1879]

Just realised I can't spell

[@JonnyAugz]

I believe it's the Mannlicher.

[@Liam-B]

It's like the airsoft gun before Crosman. 600 FPS? What a joke. Really cool ejection process though, even thought it doesn't work.

[@jayfelsberg1931]

I suppose this looked good on paper, but so did the early M16...just about any WWII Italian machine gun...taking the comb off the Enfield .38...

[@TheLoxxxton]

Thanks

[@brienmauer8134]

Didn't Sheriff Langston (John Clees) carry one of these in "SILVERADO"??

[@ST-zm3lm]

Seems like adopting the Smith & Wesson Model 3 would’ve saved them quite a bit of trouble.

[@hannesorisson1200]

I see you are not a sailing man :) Whaleboat or Launch would be the boat. PS Love your channel

[@seanjoseph8637]

HMS Flying Fish: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Flying_Fish_(1873)

[@codemiesterbeats]

sucks that soldier died doing something simple as getting into a boat... that would be a good subject for a video for you, just talking about gun safety debacles etc...

[@johnoneil9188]

The extractor system idea is pretty nifty actually to sort out already fired rounds. Too bad the gun in itself never got that popular.

[@bigDbigDbigD]

I like the unloader if it were improved.

[@jasonkent3658]

Very good video very ugly revolver you are very good with your facts and information you have a very good way of explaining things that makes it enjoyable good job

[@Rheyris]

Im gonna get 1 of those

[@ladam836]

So...how to unload the unfired rounds? Poke them out one by one from the loading gate? That is stupid.

[@VOLHans]

What are the little "fins" for, just below either side of the barrel and in front of the cylinder?

[@ForgottenWeapons]

They allow it to be smoothly holstered, without the front of the cylinder catching on the lip of the holster.

[@mikepette4422]

Seems to me the Mark 2 is probably not a bad revolver other than the really slow bullet.

[@sorenlilienthal1368]

John Cleese wielded a similar revolver in the 1985 film "Silverado", when he portrayed a racist sheriff of British origin. Sorry "chardtomp", for repeating your post, but I didn't scroll down far enough to see it.

[@phillipcowan1444]

It's been said that a camel is a race horse designed by a committee. This is a camel if I ever saw one. Functional for sure but painful to look at.

[@BIGK95]

Your last choice of revolver goes to hell Thank god this wasn’t continuous Mosin negant revolver wasn’t that bad

[@ahall1459]

Heavy, misfire cases would jam upon opening and extraction of same was a pain, Henry rifling (as used in the Martini rifles)! not Enfield rifling, works better as a double action only, to which single action hammer pull back was exceptionally heavy so aimed shots are hard with just using your thumb, a long firearm to holster... As a collectors piece, yes it's ok, but o/w no. Webley's were better.

[@wizardofahhhs759]

That sure is a rooster spur firing pin.

[@wendigo1619]

I want a video on the peacekeeper, like development cycle and history, and any beurocratic baffoonary that happened *edit* peacemaker, always get the name wrong

[@bumblebeebob]

Its not "character". Its straight up steam punk-ish!

[@Kumimono]

I wonder, suppose you source some ammunition, is a gun like this shootable? Safely.

[@baneofbanes]

Jari Heiska If it’s in good condition and you use correctly loaded ammo, I’d suppose so.

[@Andy47357]

Jones is my great great uncle

[@irishauto]

Is it just me or does that hammer look exactly like an anvil?

[@tomshepard8473]

Ian story about unlucky sailor > Enfield MkI

[@mauricematla1215]

It is certain kind of funny cool one.

[@sillygoose210_6]

Artillery only.