Form 4 Reveal | Formlabs Keynote

[@Formlabs]

👉🏼 Buy Form 4 today: bit.ly/3xD3dz7 📕 Learn more: bit.ly/4cWEkyu 🧐 Watch the product demo: bit.ly/3Q67uBw 🆓 Request a free sample part: bit.ly/3Jm5UaU

[@kralyn3d]

F4, Form 4 Form FOUR!!! Best looking and fastest SLA printer I have seen.

[@hohhan1978]

its not SLA anymore. Its more like MSLA/DLP hybrid.

[@teabagNBG]

also most expensive one? lol

[@hohhan1978]

@@teabagNBG Nope) There is even more expensive MSLA from photometric😅

[@rjakiel73]

Not for nothing but 100 to 160 microns is a fairly large layer height. I'd like to see what these can do at 30 and 50 microns as well seeing as that is generally what everyone with a newish resin printer uses.

[@integza]

Really excited to test the Form 4 !

[@Culky]

So it's the same price the Form X's always were (I have a Form 2), but to achieve the higher speed they've switched to the same screen tech used by machines costing 1/10th as much.

[@OnshapeInc]

VERY exciting, great work Formlabs team!

[@Coolarj10]

Wow this is incredible! The print times look way faster, and Grey resin is now half the cost of Grey Pro with similar elongation and higher impact strength… amazing!!! Impact strength is really important and I’m churning parts out daily so I look forward to the new speeds!

[@williamelewis464]

Reinvented the wheel, to repackage to business people who don’t understand they are getting ripped off. Fantastic

[@bacawaka2813]

So 11 Saturn 4 Ultras for 1 Form 4 for almost the same volume and the form 4 is slower with lower resolution. 🤔

[@rjakiel73]

Yeah... That's what I was thinking as well. They are happy with a 160mu part. The Saturn 2 can do 30mu and the Saturn 4 Ultra can do 20mu faster than this can do 100mu

[@ExploringTheSimulation]

Super excited about the crazy print speeds and of course the timelapse feature! Also at 18:26, was that a Daft Punk reference?! ;)

[@ChrisDurbin-eq6cp]

REALLY excited for this reveal!

[@nadcheng]

Setting my alarm!

[@aymericrdv]

Did they fix the over curing of the surfaces that face the print platform? I absolutely love our Form3 that we have in house, but if you need a part that is dimensionally accurate in the z axis you have use sanding and calipers.

[@nicoletavasile429]

Super excited for the announcement!🚀

[@joshtechjunction7041]

Can Form 3 owners upgrade to Form 4 print settings ? if yes how, if no why? Will Form 3 will go obsolete ? can consumables cost go down?

[@TheLastIshbalan]

I knew it would be an LCD. Only a matter of time.

[@DiegoFrolli]

Glued from Italy! 🤯

[@DERAILED3D]

I'm so ready for this 👁👄👁

[@3dhavok]

lol! The price drop and sparse claps had me rolling

[@sachindailycadcamnalawade477]

This incredible 3D printer is set to revolutionize printing speed and reliability, transforming prototyping to production.

[@oriwan3786]

They clearly misses the market with their price point when there are better and faster printers out there.

[@patrickd1606]

Define “better” pretty subjective.

[@dogichowFL]

What could it be? 😁

[@dr.veghdaniel7473]

3d printed ceramics?

[@dogichowFL]

@@dr.veghdaniel7473 We'll find out!

[@Formlabs]

We are committed to ultimately bringing our SLA Open Platform to Form 4/B, including: Certified materials, Print Settings Editor, and Open Material License. We will start by adding Form 4/B to the PreForm Print Settings Editor.

[@ElenaAustras]

👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀

[@KevinYeung-fo8zs]

Very exciting 👀

[@JonathanSoyt]

EXCITING!

[@GleaveMakes]

wow, this looks amazing!

[@kevinyeung1836]

I knew it! 😮‍💨🎉

[@sisselcardenas9131]

we do print our models at 50 microns for more precision, how much extra time would it be instead of 9 minutes?

[@REEKONTools]

👀👀👀

[@lupusk9productions]

still 400% more money than it should be.

[@rjakiel73]

So I'm assuming because this is essentially DLP their new materials would work in other resin printers, no?

[@mytuberforyou]

Yeah, but their older SLA resins will too, On the other hand most materials they have compare with less expensive alternatives from other companies.

[@rjakiel73]

@@mytuberforyou well I just watched another video and they state the UV is @ 405nm which is what the majority of the current resin printers are as well. So like you said it should be possible across the board with all of their resins.

[@Formlabs]

Our new Form 4 specific materials, such as any of the General Purpose V5 resins, were formulated specifically to achieve the best speed and performance when used with 405nm wavelength mSLA systems. While they’ll always work best when used with the Form 4 because of the effort we put into creating and validating print settings and post-processing settings, these materials can be use on LCD and DLP printers. You’ll get the best results with the lowest settings effort when using our new Form 4 specific materials, but you can also use our other materials on lower power printers such as the Elegoo Mars 4 and Anycubic Mono 2. There are a few things to keep in mind when creating settings for our engineering materials like Tough 1500, Durable, or High Temp: - The viscosity on these materials will typically be higher than what you can buy on Amazon. Within our own printer systems, we use heating, wiping, and special settings to get the best print quality and mechanical properties for any given resin. Because most hobbyist printers don’t have heating or wiping, you’ll want to slow down your motor moves quite a bit to compensate. It can be relatively simple to get to exposures that print your object, but the motor moves will take the most time to tune. - You’ll likely have trouble with any of our materials that have a durometer less than about our Durable Resin. Unless you really need the properties, developing home grown settings for resins like Flex 80A or Elastic 50A may be more trouble than they’re worth. - When printing on a hobbyist resin printer, you’re likely to see some variation in the mechanical properties advertised on the Formlabs TDS. Part of this comes from the post-cure, which we validate in our Form Cure system. If you’re using an Anycubic Wash/Cure combo or something similar, you’ll need to play around a bit with different curing times. If you’re interested in requesting specific Formlabs materials for use with hobbyist printers, please reach out to [e-mail] or add a comment on this forums post: forum.formlabs.com/t/formlabs-resin-on-other-printers/36171/6

[@MoTheFcker]

but the cost of induction molded parts are 300:1 cheaper than your resin + labor

[@KirklandShunk]

How much do Injection Molded parts cost? Just an estimate I'm looking for. To produce a action figure

[@jgarzarebel2631]

Great presentation! 🌟

[@motoformprototyping]

Very impressive

[@joshtechjunction7041]

Is Form4 open source, any material can be used other than form labs?

[@msanterre]

The injection molding test would have an incredibly different result if they tested for equipment failure. One molding machine breaks, that's 0 output. One Form 4 machine breaks, you're still at 3/4 output.

[@kevinyeung1836]

The only countdown I’m excited for

[@Gaston12345]

Why do you show a diagram of the success rate without showing the scale? As you prowdly stated that you have the numbers (btw I do like the idea od collecting this metric, given the customer can disable it), why don't you prowdly show them?

[@emberprototypes]

So excited for this!

[@DianaV3DP]

Drum roll 🥁...

[@SarahKchannel]

Can we fill existing Tough 2000 resin into the new container and continue using it on the Form 4 ?

[@Formlabs]

Yes. As long as you have a Tough 2000 resin cartridge loaded into your Form 4/B printer, you can pour leftover Tough 2000 resin into the Form 4/B resin tank and print with it.

[@iulianparagina5019]

So excited for this!!!

[@user-km5il4zy4n]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@gtrida]

Super exciting!! 🎉

[@mytuberforyou]

You know they SAY it's a SLA printer but it looks to me like a DLP/ LCD printer. As the owner of a Form2, I'm wondering if they are abandoning stereolithography as a technology they can't improve on within their budget constraints (or at all). Other companies (Elegoo, etc.) have already come in with high resolution LCD printers that cost less and the consumables are less than a third of the cost of the (now lower priced) Formlabs resins- so who is going to pay 5x as much for the machine in order to get trapped in a proprietary ecosystem that costs 3x as much to run? I had honestly hoped when I watched this they would have increased resolution or used the Carbon3D trechnology to make prints much faster, or automated or eliminated the whole wash and cure processes. The comparison with the injection molding machine was great, but thern consider if the print fails you lose ALL the parts, not just one, and it looks from the graph like they have a 30 perecent failure rate. Not to mention, isn't that latch made of PA6? Can the Form4 even PRINT PA-6?

[@printaworld-3dprintingserv473]

They are running out of ideas. Moving up, they can't fight with those industrial SLA machines which have been dominated in the manufacturing industry. Moving down, they can't fight with those consumer desktop LCD printers, like all those sold on Amazon. There are no secrets in this industry anymore. Just some fancy marketing package and software. Form2 is the legendary product at that time when LCD is still in the baby stage. Now, they have a shared software platform, motherboard, mono color LCD mass production..... the world is changing very fast

[@mytuberforyou]

@@printaworld-3dprintingserv473 the Formlabs software is very very good. It just seems to me they got a little too greedy with things like consumables, I stopped using thier resin becuase it was hella expensive and didnt seem to like being stored between uses. After a while I didnt even care about things like they disabled the wiper if you are not using their proprietary resin. If they had one truly standout innovation like a way to modulate the power to produce only partially cured resin at support structures so it could detach cleaner i would take a second look but as it stands, I can make an FDM part on my X1C and post process it in most cases better and faster than producing same on my Form2, counting finishing and paint in the process, so my Form2 sits mostly idle which is terrible if you have a bunch of really expensive resin with a fairly short shelf life. Also one of the vats actually fell apart and filled the machine with resin, that was a bummer to clean out when I discovered it some time later. That really shouldn't happen.

[@printaworld-3dprintingserv473]

@@mytuberforyou totally feel you. We gave up using Formlabs a few years ago due to pain ass to get the expensive resin. Once the Form 3 shut down the open mode, we are done with them. I am not joking, I paid industrial 355 resin from those big brands like DSM or SOMOS cheaper than the formlabs. There is no secrets here. But I appreciate their efforts in holding the price point in the market so we can sell industrial machines printed parts even cheaper than people printed them by using the formlabs.

[@MJsweers]

Large scale?

[@TheBeddoeFamily]

Here's the way I look at it. Take a page from the world of printing (you know, 2D printing, but we didn't call it that😁 ). Years ago, the workflow for printing was to proof your product on proofing equipment. In fact, there were companies whose whole business model was proofing. A great deal of time and money spent on expertise and equipment to proof printed material that represented the final product that would ultimately be completed on a full-on offset press. Some companies, like National Geographic, would actually proof their content directly on a press. Very expensive process as the setup and configuration of an offset press uses a lot of material and is very time consuming. Not to mention that an offset press could easily cost $5 million to $10 million. So, companies typically did not use this process. Today, this workflow is entirely digital and printed material is "proofed" on the same equipment that's used to produce it. So, you always know what you're going to get as you iterate through your design. I think you can see the parallels here for 3D printing. Loved the question about whether Formlabs equipment is for prototyping or production. You mentioned scalability and that's the key, right? So, technically, we are heading to a time when the prototyping and production equipment are the same. Since the Fuse, I've always considered Formlabs has achieved this paradigm. We just need the old-timers to let go of their grip on the process. It was the same in the (2D) print industry. There will always be offset printers, but today most prints are digital.

[@MHouseOne]

awesome, great work

[@ZachBrownfield]

Will the Form 4 have a version of Form Auto similar to what was released for the Form 3?

[@Formlabs]

Currently, Form Auto is only for our Form 3 ecosystem, but we're always taking feedback and requests from users!

[@grxygxds]

5k USD is insane

[@ryanmannion94]

Looking forward to this!

[@mcclmark]

Does the new resin smell similar to the Form3 resin? The reason I ask is because hobby DLP printers I have used in the past have resin that smells badly.

[@dogichowFL]

The materials that work on the Form 3 work on the Form 4 (exact same resins). We do have some new materials also that don't work on the Form 3. Some of the hobby LCD printers you reference do have extremely smelly resins that are at least a nuisance, but some may have actual safety issues as well. Our resins are designed and manufactured in the US, some of them under ISO13485 quality management systems for biocompatibility. Here is a short video that shows how we think about materials: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mpWYnYxtmK2smrs&ab_channel=Formlabs

[@JosephProsnitz1]

any company that employed the stuff made here guy must be onto something

[@mikawilliamson2863]

Will there be a form 4bL

[@christopherbaer8836]

Crazy Fast!

[@dan3dprint183]

Its funny to see that you move to the LCD technology of printers that cost $300.

[@mamounetaleb6539]

Dlp printer ?

[@mytuberforyou]

Close, LCD.

[@DullBear-austing]

449$ To buy an LCD printer? Apart from the resin type, I can't think of any advantage over a cheaper printer. It's crazy

[@Cole-ie9ts]

Well done team Formlabs! Exciting times

[@kezyka6775]

The race against the injection molding feels a little wrong since it ignores the needed post processing

[@maker3d64]

😍😍😍

[@bunk88UNH]

It's got to be 3D printed food. Or they are making the Form 2D a reality.

[@gaozihan4]

Glad that the magnetic mixer is dropped on Form 4, disappointed that no remedy on Form 3L.

[@user-pb1hb8wr7r]

I guess it will be a LCD printer.

[@MarkusRessel]

Start at 8:10

[@jonpcohen]

Ogres are like prints.

[@joshtechjunction7041]

no relief for Form 3 owners, still huge print time and resin / consumables price than competitors

[@pawetrznadel7770]

Looks like mSLA lenses to me 🎉😅

[@darkashes9953]

What is the resolution on the lcd ?

[@Formlabs]

Form 4 has a 50um pixel size, highly collimated light, and advanced pixel smoothing to produce razor-sharp detail and smooth surfaces.

[@BigNatasha]

maybe 2K ,HAHAHA

[@derekmathers9588]

How long did the cure step take? 🧐

[@kylemcnulty7123]

We recommend a 5 minute, room temperature post cure for Black Resin V5. You can cure these 1,008 mixer latches in ~16 batches with Form Cure L. We washed and post cured the parts in parallel to printing them, so the post processing didn't add any total time.

[@DavidRamirez-Work]

What could it possibly be....🤔🤔

[@danialothman]

@23:54 Dwight vs The website starts

[@MRGO0OSE]

Form 4 drop: you heard it here folks

[@printaworld-3dprintingserv473]

Thank you for giving up the Form 3

[@nakwadroid]

* cries in Form 2 *

[@AndrewCrane14]

🙏👀

[@MoTheFcker]

just buy 8 bambu lab ps for the same price

[@mytuberforyou]

I have a X1c, and a Form2. I can't print a lens on my X1C. And a bunch of other stuff that can't have layer lines prints better on the Form2.

[@by_prime]

Nobody knows what will happen next👀

[@rjakiel73]

160mu?

[@Keithlan9988]

AI chip printer?

[@michiganFF]

🎉

[@Salaheddine_sai]

The most expensive msla 3d printer in the world, they didn't mention how many hours the lcd can print before it need to be changed, and as I see, formlab has just joined elegoo and other brands that use lcd screen instead of laser how bad is this !!!!!!!

[@Formlabs]

The LPU is expected to last 600k-1.9M layers depending on the material - so most customers will never need to replace the LPU for the life of the printer.

[@Salaheddine_sai]

@Formlabs As expectation it could be ,but what im worried about is the maximum resolution ,I have noticed that you are using the pi compute module 4 as the main brain for the form 4 and this module can output 4k 60fps ,my question is how can you updating the quality of printing in future ??

[@MoTheFcker]

way to expansive. way cheape resin printers out there. but fdm is even better.

[@mytuberforyou]

Disgree. SLS would be my top choice, then DLP then SLA then FDM.

[@janettaselaar5673]

Looks great however way too expensive, and Formlabs is forgetting all the pioneers that made them great by buying the form 1 2 and 3. Suppose there will not be any upgrades in speed anymore for the form 3 which is a shame for also a really expensive machine. This might be a step in between to really fast printers, but this technology can be bought for a 10th of this price. And don't forget in the small letters at the resin states that is the 50% introduction price so expect to raise that again to the 160,- per liter.......This cost price could lead to the end of the form era.

[@Spyderman500]

So cheaper hardware but for more money. So sad 😞

[@antoniogranado6494]

It is a great printer. But I'm afraid it's an improved copy of Chinese printers.

[@glennalexon1530]

I got tired of listening to this guy explain additive manufacturing to an audience that already understands the benefits.

[@jorbedo]

Same LCD technology with expensive frame for $100's more. You guys had to switch to common tech, you are losing market share, way too expensive. Just nice marketing

[@teabagNBG]

idk 8k is a joke in my opinion..

[@davelelonek]

Too bad your customer service is terrible and so is your equipment. It’s all garbage.

[@SarahKchannel]

And again a printer that is super expensive yet we can not logically name the printer our self - why do you keep sticking to this repulsive animal naming scheme ? We need to label / name printer in a logical way so that it suits our workflow - not your twisted egos !

[@MarkusRessel]

What even is this nonesense about comparing software and hardware, being jealous of software companies and such lol Get to the point and show the product, not everybody has to be like Apple...

[@fredcheung7384]

🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀

[@MA-uh1ww]

eyes on the ball

[@ejim941099]

Yea, but can it run Crysis?

[@Egrant08]

👀👀👀