Form VII: Juyo - Description & Analysis

The seventh form of lightsaber combat, formally known as Juyo, along with its variant Vaapad, also referred to as the Ferocity Form, and the Way of the Vornskr.
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[@ApsalusSigma]

I miss the old video and the quote "KZbin, I'm going to be blunt. This is the style you use if you are a TOTAL, RAGING, PSYCHO!"

[@HarbingerOfBattle]

I think Juyo can best be summed up like this: LEEROOOOOOOOOOOOY JENKIIIIIIIIIIIIINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@spaceonisorceress4406]

Only at a lower level. A proper Juyo practitioner would be nowhere near that rash.

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

I don't understand the joke?!

[@HarbingerOfBattle]

@@JabezFuutonSpecialis Google is your friend.

[@MrGokuson22]

It means throwing yourself into an attack, without regards for defense or strategy. Tunnel vision assault, without considering the possible consequences

[@DarthWill3]

You've done it again, friend. Near-perfection. According to chapter 31 of _The Old Republic: Annihilation,_ Juyo was designed specifically for a one-on-one duel. Given that Maul had planned to separate the Jedi and kill them one by one, this would make perfect sense.

[@ironinquisitor3656]

Makes so much sense. Never thought about that.

[@DarthWill3]

It's all logical once you've done your homework.

[@Jedilord882]

This is also why form II is really the only form that counters juyo.

[@deathgun9897]

​@@Jedilord882why makashi is countered juyo?

[@treiwilson9445]

The polar opposite of Niman. I wonder how Maul would have been like as Mace Windu's apprentice and taken his form 7 skills to the next level.

[@dontknow1950]

Maul took form 7 to its limit as Juyo, he is very much the most proficient traditional Form 7 user, only Mace Windu IMO is superior in regards to Form 7

[@bryguy1502]

@@dontknow1950 Darth Sidious was superior to both; Mace had the edge due to Vaapad.

[@jackalsmalls4995]

@@dontknow1950 Which is *IRONIC* Cause he fucking used Niman as the baseline for fucking JUYO.

[@WolvyBlk]

@@bryguy1502 if mace had an edge palatine wasn’t superior to him. Only people who have bested mace in combat were yoda and count dooku, palpatine even knew in saber skills that count dooku was superior(legends book) to him I believe mace and yoda were as well. That’s why he didn’t last long fighting mace with a lightsaber and he ran and started using the force against yoda during their fight. Palpatine is no scrub but not the best

[@KumaoftheForest]

Hot take: Rahm Kota would of been a better Jedi to build Vapaad with

[@flipkiller8521]

I believe Juyo was one of the styles Darth Vader absorbed into his Ataru/Djem So mastery which basically resulted in Darth Vader having a unique and really unpredictable saber style.

[@KumaoftheForest]

He defiantly added Makashi for blade control

[@DeathScepter]

Makes Sense due to Juyo's killing intent. Vader is a Deadly Sith Lord that fought Many enemies.

[@Jiryis61]

I think you forgot to say that Juyo was the prefered form used by Darth Sidious, he is even a master of all seven forms and he still prefered Juyo, that says a lot about how deadly Juyo is in the hands of a true lightsaber master. I still think Mace Windu perfected the form, and Vaapad is the greatest peak of a lightsaber fighting style, that is why it is the most dificult of all lighsaber forms, and it is not just a lightsaber fighting style but also a state of mind within yourself and the force, not just the light side, but also the dark side.

[@attackpandas]

Well it’s not that he preferred Juyo over the other forms. It’s just that, the only way to practice Juyo, is to be at least an adept at all other forms, it’s simply a better form. That’s like saying Mace was a master of all forms but chose vapaad, no, Juyo/Vapaad are just that, powerful of forms that are meant to be practiced after you practiced every other form.

[@cankatcoskun9240]

I would argue that, the highest level of fighting can be observed in late Obi Wan Kenobi. Complete mastery and perfection of the basics. Leading to a point in which he even transcended the clashes of sabers...

[@attackpandas]

Cankat Coşkun Cankat Coşkun what? No, he was able to take Vader’s strike and become a force ghost because he mastered his training in the lightside. There’s no way that Ben would have beat Vader, his own mastery of Djem Sho was too much for Ben to handle because of his age, and the limitations of his combination of Soresu and Ataru, being a master of defense will not serve well against a master of the attack, that’s just how life works.

[@cankatcoskun9240]

omund omund You are still trapped in the illusion of duality. Juyo is the most advanced style in combat. But still it cannot go beyond the dualistic conflict. However the highest form of fighting is not fighting at all. Our definitions of a fight is different. If you view it as a struggle to defeat the opponent, Juyo is the most advanced. But always remember, the highest form of combat can be found in emptiness.

[@attackpandas]

Cankat Coşkun dude lol, I think you’re taking this a little too philosophically, In terms of contact conflict, there is only two rules of mastery, mastery over your physical body and the mental state of mind. In terms of fantasy yes, your statement has claim, but drop the nonsense and get real, in the Star Wars universe, saber on saber dueling is PURELY SKILL BASED Jedi may use the force during a duel to throw a saber, make it levitate without hands, but it all comes down to an individuals skill. This coming from an avid practitioner of HEMA and MMA.

[@RealWolfgangTV]

Randomly watching star wars lore again and I come across this blessing of a channel once again ❤ thanks for everything

[@brenntantor1634]

Things I missed from this video: Juyo probably created between these dates 3973-3964 BBY by a yet unknown person, possibly a darksider And Juyo being the last classical saber form to be created thousands of years before Vaapad Lord Scourge and his success as being born at the dawn of Juyo Atris - dissecting her Shii-Cho / Juyo hybrid style Vrook Lamar, Zez-Kai Ell, Kavar, and the instruction of Revan and Meetra Surik Lord Vindican - showcasing Juyo's innate lack of defensive provess when uncatered to Juyo-Kos, the old jedi-perfected style created after the death of Vindican Darth Malgus and how Juyo might have influenced his Djem-So Kas'im? Darth Maul's zabrak heritage inspired Zhaboka saberstaff Juyo detailed The named list of the few people who actually learnt Vaapad The denying of Anakin from learning Juyo, and how he managed to learn it as Vader by the time of his first visit to Kashyyyk Explaining Rahm Kota's uniquely defensive and rather ineffective Juyo variant

[@brenntantor1634]

Greetings! Love your videos! Interesting reflections on this subject! Regarding Niman and his primary disciplines, unofrtunately it is way too easy to just pinpoint Niman as a significant attribute for any force user, because any one of them, who have either: - neglected saber studies to pursude diplomacy (not in this case) - focused on force combative abilites - or just studied ways to fight tricky and dirty with a lightsaber all could just be instantly called Niman users. I think I read it somewhere that Atris was rather heavily involved in Shii-Cho. Perhaps I just heard it from one of you youtube Council people. A Shii-Cho mindset could also explain her blind devotion to her own instinctive view on life, and the Exile. She was in fact quite driven by instinct/force, instead of constantly meditating on appearing subjects. Regarding Vindican, when one views an individual to have a defensive component, shouldn't the first guess be an added Soresu aspect rather than a Shien one? We are not talking about quick retaliations after all, and I quite don't remember Vindican portraying any of those, nor unorthodox grips. His moves did not remind me of Starkiller nor Ahsoka at all, though he resembles AOTC Anakin slightly. Though Kota doesn't actually look Juyo-ish either. Nevertheless I never meant to say Juyo has zero defense, just too frequent bold attacks leave less attention and care to defending the practitioner. I don't even suspect Soresu either. Well beside the fact that normally Juyo is not the first nor the second style a saber wielder learns. Both Soresu and Shien could have been candidates. He probably knows a little bit about Djem-So too (because something must have directed Malgus towards that). I do trust in your experience and judgement, though. Perhaps you could find things out?

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

+Jensaarai1 could she have both? After all one must master multiple styles before.The big problem is due to the engine' s limitations, every character using the same 4-5 stock animations,(same with swtor)which makes determine someone's style very hard without outside source.

[@Matthew-Anthony]

Jensaarai1 Thank you for posting videos. Your versus matches are the best. I have never disagreed with any of your verdicts like I have with other KZbinrs. Could you, please, do a Mace Windu vs. Exar Kun matchup? I am not sure if my previous request was sent or not. Both of them have mastered all seven lightsaber forms, and to my knowledge, have never lost a lightsaber duel. Exar Kun has arguably, the best lightsaber. Mace Windu uses the best lightsaber form, Vaapad. This lightsaber duel would truly be a clash of titans. I, eagerly, look forward to your videos. ^.^

[@MoviesEducationGamin]

Exar Kun hasn't mastered all 7 forms and his rage fueled style would likely be a perfect catalyst for Vaapad. As much as I like Exar Kun I don't think he would last in that fight unless he somehow overcomes Mace with his Force abilites.

[@kasen338]

i slightly disagree on kotas form being ineffective he was really good but he was old and starkiller was young and he practiced soresu so it threw kota off but yes i agree with all the other stuff

[@lyconxero457]

What an excellently done video. It was extremely concise and to the point.

[@brenntantor1634]

I'm starting to have "versus series withdrawal symptoms" XD

[@thepancakespy2355]

Brenn Tantor me too

[@thepancakespy2355]

2 years in the future

[@Deafmonkey21]

Glad to see you back at full, man.

[@613mitzvoth]

I'd start with Niman and specialize in combat and move to Djem So (mainly Shien) and then move to makashi then learn Juyo. Niman would be for balance and moderation, Djem So would be for aggressive blaster deflection and to make up for makashi's weakness, and makashi would be for the blade work and elegance and to make up for Djem So weakness for individual opponents. I would be a moderately aggressive scholar tank

[@gameovervirus2384]

Taylor Fridge for me I’d start with Djem-So as my specialization and add in Shien, and Ataru for more maneuverability and balance in my technique. If I was put on my back foot I’d use a combination of inverted Shien, Makashi and Soresu. If I was fighting multiple opponents I’d use a combination of Niman, Juyo, and Shii-Cho.

[@613mitzvoth]

@@gameovervirus2384 Shii Cho is always a good backup for sticky situations.

[@thordgensec]

You would probably be better off specializing in Shien than Djem So. I would start with actually mastering form one like kit fisto to cover the mental aspect then forms 2 4 and 5 to cover my bases for strength agility and precision.

[@williamkrause5831]

No ataru?

[@williamkrause5831]

@@thordgensec iirc niman is essentially a mix of 1-5

[@thejmeexperience7025]

Jensaarai1 good to see more content. I know about your limitations. Just glad to see content, keep up the good work!

[@KaiserAfini]

12:22 I really like how this proves true. When he died in Rebels, it was because he never grew past his fight with Qui-Gon. Whereas Kenobi had reached the apex of Soresu through long and difficulty earned experience.

[@Lobomaru02]

Nice to see that your channel strike has expired.

[@ariesstorm9577]

Glad to see the strike has ended, now you're free to upload more epic Star Wars videos

[@dragonknight8020]

Is it just me, or are form 4 and form 7 very similar? Not in mindset, but in how they function. Both are completely focused on offense, are based around totally overwhelming one's opponent through speed more than strength, both commit to their attacks fully, both apply acrobatics, though form 4 did use them far more often. They seem very similar to me, almost like form 4 with fewer acrobatics in order to strike more often.

[@juri5624]

Epic video right there, my friend. Very well made

[@raphaelhanna8345]

i dont see vaapad as a perfect counter to all sith as thats a misconception but i do see it as a perfect counter to practitioners of the juyo variant due to the fact that vaapad essentially feeds off the very anger that juyo practitioners are supposed to rely on

[@Jensaarai1]

Agreed. Cold and composed Sith Lords like Count Dooku or Darth Vader give Vaapad nothing to work with.

[@tonywright9906]

I disagree. Vader does give Vaapad something to work with.As for Dooku, overwhelm and overpower. Its more than lightsaber style,its a state of mind. It doesn't take much to make Vader use the darkside.

[@raphaelhanna8345]

@@Jensaarai1 I said something more significant about the concept of how Vaapad counters Juyo and you respond with something completely different about a very insignificant point I made. What the heck

[@MinillaIF]

I really love your channel and wish that you had more resources for your productions

[@ldrago4710]

the jenseraai stikes back ( from copyright strike)

[@SciFi_Soup]

Glad to hear your copyright strike is expired now. I had just had a scare with copyright problems that I just narrowly avoided, and it may me feel even more bad for the shit you had to deal with. This series is a lot of fun, and I'm always happy to see Mace "the Akk" Windu featured!

[@robgeorge4581]

Thank you for re-uploading the full length video. Also horary your strike has expired!

[@jean-paoloribeiro1738]

HI i just want to say. Thank you so much for all this knowledge. I've loved star wars and always wanted to know more about the Jedi, Sith and the world they lived in. I"m personally something of a writer (Fan fiction) [I know... Kind of weird and not really writing] But the thing is though someone suggested that i write a star wars book, and i was more than ready to agree only thing was i needed to learn a large section of the lore and the more importantly. The Sith/Jedi and what kind of fighting style he would use. So thanks to your research and your time spent on working on these light saber forms. I know for a fact that, he must be avid user of Form Six Niman. Not because he wanted to focus more on the force, but instead choosing to study multiple styles of light saber combat and wanting to switch between them when he was fighting an advanced opponent. Wanting to switch and change on the fly. So i personally. Have to thank, for helping me ground out the character and learn something new. About a world that i personally love.

[@raphaelhanna8345]

You know what's depressing about Vaapad it's essentially a new series of lightsaber techniques that could revolutionize lightsaber combat but since Mace Windu was the only one who mastered the form but is dead that essentially means that Vaapad was completely forgotten and there is no longer any way for any future Jedi to learn the technique and for that reason it is forever a forgotten series of techniques that in the future of star wars will never be revived because Sora Bulq not only failed to master the form but he is dead, Depa Bilaba is also most likely dead and Mace Windu the only person who mastered the form is dead and there's no written information on the form so now it is completely forgotten and all future Jedi and/or Sith have to stick with Juyo

[@violetroseinthedark3071]

Juyo users immersed themselves in the Force to enhance their abilities at the cost of defence. So theoretically, could a Juyo user be defeated with a few well-placed Force abilities by a Niman user?

[@brenntantor1634]

Circumstantially yes.

[@piercewise2232]

Most definitely.

[@brenntantor1634]

Depends on which (unofficially distinct) variation of Niman. > "force user" (Jerec, Darth Nihilus, Darth Traya, Volfe Karkko) > and "melee trickster" (Kao-Cen Darach, Darth Krayt, Kazdan Paratus, Starkiller, Exar Kun, Revan ) Also it is not only Niman that can pose a significant threat. Makashi, Ataru, and Djem-So all may have better offensive moves than the defensive capabilities of Juyo. Likewise the swift counterattacks of Shien. And if a Juyo practitioner's opponents are many together, he can fall victim to them even if they showcase comparably less effective styles. For example 10 angry clones of Kit Fisto could probably defeat Emperor Palpatine. These are all matters of circumstances though.

[@piercewise2232]

I do not believe ataru would do well against Juyo. Not looking at the fight between palpatine and yoda bcuz of their circumstances making the fight complicated, juyo's speed and Ataru's are quite similar tho with Juyo using superior strength along with speed. Thing is Ataru's speed doesn't come from just blitzing opponents but also exposing their enemies flank,tho Ataru has really no defensive application and wouldn't be able to effectively counter attack Juyo's assault. Djem so would do well against Juyo as they can muscle up a counter offensive and a master can counter with every strike that is blocked. Makashi can be argued,its lack of kinetic defense could pose a problem against Juyo's offensive but if they cant avoid the stabs and lunges of makashi then yea its a good counter. That is definitely up for debate

[@brenntantor1634]

I said "may have" not definitely. Juyo has a noticable lack of defense sometimes. Ataru (normally) is the epitome of acrobatically flanking or attacking a weak/unprotected spot. It adds up. But Ataru adds his own defensive discipline to the whole scale of fencing, and that is acrobating evasion, thus it does have a defensive application. Possibly lacking counter attacking options, but just because it is set on initiating attacks, or attacking in the first place. Also Ataru does not lack strength, it's aspect of force assistend physical augmentation is partially aimed at physical strength too, also in special user hands it can specifically be catered to dishing out more powerful blows. Imagine a fight between Lord Vindican and Qui-Gon Jinn! Vindican wouldn't use force lightning close and personal, because that is against the sporty-nature of Juyo. So we get two quite fast duelists, no dirty tricks, and skill is the only determining factor! Vindican showcasing Juyo, pureblood physiology, and sustainability, war experience, at least a passing knowledge of Djem-So, but not as skilled as Darth Maul and lacking both in defense and offensive resolve. Qui-Gon representing Ataru, kinetic strikes, expert in force assisted physical augmentation, trained by a Makashi master and sparring with the greatest swordsmen of his time, but alone and Obi-Wan not by his side. Juyo a style normally being more driven than tactical, and Qui-Gon being an individual who is driven during duels rather than conscious. Both wear light armor. Both have a good chance to win against the other. A battle of the instincs. Qui-Gon Jinn vs Lord Vindican - The Battle of the Instincts!

[@ryhnoking]

hello, have you considered doing a three rings of defence? I ask because doing some reading on it and found it very interesting almost like a boxer switch hitting but each focuses on different aspects.

[@reginaldwalker3179]

I would love to see videos of how the animal relates to the fighting style and more info on the animals

[@treiwilson9445]

In my humble opinion I think Darth Maul could learn a lot from Mace Windu in Vaapad. He should been taught Niman, Soresu, Ataru, Djem So. Along with Teras Kasi (pencak silat) and Juyo.

[@treiwilson9445]

maul doesn't use the light side because he wan't trained to do so by Sidious. Even though Mace Windu could still help him master himself. Vaapad is a state of mind not just a fighting form.

[@justinwallace269]

Have you ever considered making style comparison videos? Like if two equally skilled and force sensitive fighters went head to head using these styles, how would they stack up against each other? I’d actually be really curious about a comparison between forms 7 and 1, since they’re both known for their erratic and unpredictable methods. They seem to have similar ideologies in terms of releasing one’s self into the force and have been described as going close to the edge, increasing speed, strength, and unpredictability, but what’s the real difference between them and how do they stack up against each other? Juyo ditches defence for wide, powerful attacks, whereas Shii Cho maintains an impressive level of force assisted defence while also maintaining an erratic offence. Vaapad channels the intensity of the enemy into itself for endless power, but as we’ve seen with the Sidious fight, that lead to an impasse. We know that Shii Cho has been known for being less effective against single targets, and more designed for gaggles of ordinary (non force user) targets, but can this change with sufficient sparring and duelling experience? Juyo is known for shitty defence and animal ferocity, yet Maul was focused and defensively viable due to Niman. It’s a real can of worms, but an interesting challenge.

[@historygeek2411]

I utilize the wide swings and swift strikes of ataru, the counter offensive traits of djem so, and the tenacity, speed, and overwhelming power of juyo. When I combine these right when I duel my friends i would always over power them or confuse them into opening up a weak spot. I struggle against enemies in close quarters and can struggle but manages duel against multiple opponents.

[@kasen338]

vaapad seems to focus on using all the anger and pain you have an channeling that through your saber and onto your opponent

[@virtualmask]

Juyo can be useful for someone Strong in the force force augmentation to enhance the speed of the movements. as the strenght of juyo comes from overwhelming the enemy right at the start of the fight. Shatterpoint is useful too because You can pinpoint the other person's weak points

[@2TCHOLMES]

Why would stances from Soresu be carried over a form that is the polar opposite of it, both in physical technique and mental aspect? And considering both Shii-Cho and Juyo involves releasing yourself into the Force, what do you think is the difference between the two mentalities?

[@Hypercat0]

I think a Makashi/Vaapad build would be effective. First be precise. Use your personalized offense and defense to learn your enemys moves, than let loose and be unpredictable, use your enemys Rage against them.

[@dennisgrogg8905]

Great video

[@Daldi564]

So, if Vaapad required one fighter in the engagement to channel their darkness to form the superconducting loop, what would happen if the opposing fighter channeled their light and goodness instead of their darkness? Would it counter Vaapad's effectiveness as a state of mind or would it just give the user of Vaapad a boost?

[@Mephiles343]

Well Vaapad is supposed to dance with the darkside,Usually drawing upon the users love for battle,Although as in the case with sora bulq,He just regressed back to Juyo

[@danmarusan2878]

If I were a sith, Juyo would be my prefered fighting style. Backed up by Shii Cho, Shien and Djem So. Juyo maybe a restricted practice in the jedi order, but I think that every jedi should have knowlege about form VII, in order to defend against a practitioner of this martial art.

[@devingendron2287]

I've always been inclined toward Djem So as a primary style, with additional study in Soresu for Defense, Shii-Cho for crowd control, and Niman for force integration and Jar-Kami. I would choose a lightly curved Hilt of slightly longer length to offer better leverage and ergonomics, a cross guard with two upswept arms for use in wrestling, binds, and parries. All with a dark blue dual-phase blade, the main setting slightly longer at 42in, with a shorter close setting at 30 inches. Also phrik allow machining, maybe with hardwood in lays.

[@JLense]

I would love a video that talks about more unconventional lightsaber forms like Trakata and Trispzest. I know you won't be able to do it in multiple videos, so one video that tackles all of them would be cool.

[@sirpepeofhousekek6741]

I've never heard of either of those! Tell me about them.

[@calebolds9609]

well luke was stated in legends to be a master of all 7 forms, so would that include Vapaad as part of his Juyo mastery?

[@filipinogopnik4161]

luke used form VII and V but kind of got scared of VII cus it maybe a drawback for his students cus they might become the next vader

[@LesediLoFi]

Excellent.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Awesome video, but I'm curious what your opinion on the evolution of maul's style is. In Rebels the older Maul makes use of a shorter handled saber staff and often wields it in a single hand well striking out with either other tools or direct application of martial arts. Combined with his lessened physical power in his advanced age I wonder what motivators would have caused this change in style. Any thoughts?

[@cebenify]

probably old age and wishing to take advantage of his cybernetics

[@cebenify]

His lightsaber was also a modified inquisitor's lightsaber likely taken from an inquisitor's corpse.

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Janos Jalics I noted that but even in the latter season he didn't go so far as to modify it into something more familiar to him suggesting a change of style. I agree with the general assessment though.

[@brenntantor1634]

Darth Maul is such an accomplished martial artist even with cybernetic legs, that he has more than enough technical proficiency to use a shorter handle saberstaff and thus make do with less leverage.

[@TrajGreekFire]

Janos Jalics in one of the episodes he was running faster than Ezra and Kanan

[@Dave_Chrome]

Halo Reach background music? Nice!

[@steakcrust558]

did you notice darth maul jump and pull his entire body into his strike? 1:58. its hard enough to practice kendo like that

[@ctv186]

I'm of the notion the best tactical and technical application of Form 7 is the adaptation of one's specific skillset to keep the opponent guessing, effectively overloading the computer that is the opponent's brain and something (or everything) is bound to slip through. Emotions and passion are just some of the tools that an individual can employ in their skillset, but it seems like many darksiders' application of turning Form 7 into an overaggressive frenzy really diminishes on the technical aspect. Just as how jensaarai called Form 6 the "Trickter's Form," I believe Form 7 can be dubbed the "Personalization Form."

[@brenntantor1634]

But personalization as an encouragement is not exclusive to Juyo, thus you need a better nickname.

[@ctv186]

I was just following the nickname given to Niman (Trickster) in its video and came up with something of my own. I imagine you can be a trickster with other styles too.

[@brutalstuff1653]

This is literally my favorite form out of all of them, the exile character in KOTOR 2 had mastered this form in full too

[@lachlanparker570]

It has always been my understanding that both variants feature purely offence, with no defence present in the bladework at all. However, you can intercept an attack with another attack, which cannot be done for blocks, parries, or counters.

[@pukalo]

Which book is that comment from Darth Sidious from at 3:32?

[@hectoraliegbe9429]

The book is "The Jedi Path" handbook.

[@averycalhoun1458]

Djem-So + Juyo= Almost always winning

[@MrMultiWilk]

Only against one rival

[@foreignroninl1555]

@Avery Calhoun I’ve frequently heard that a prerequisite for learning Juyo was for a practitioner to have mastered at least three other lightsaber forms. So if you had to choose two other forms in addition to Form V, which would you choose and why?

[@retcon2536]

@@foreignroninl1555 Soresu and Niman. Soresu is vital just so I'd have knowledge of defense, even though I'm more liable to be more on the offensive with Juyo. Niman means I can possibly incorporate Force powers into my fighting style. This helps with Juyo's already unpredictable nature, seemingly random force attacks that flow together with lightsaber combat. Force pushes and pulls, however slight in order to unbalance my opponent, create an opening and strike a decisive blow.

[@foreignroninl1555]

@@retcon2536 Okay. The impression I'm getting from your choice of lightsaber forms and the manner you would use them is a style somewhat analogous to that of Darth Bane's: a power-based offensive form that uses defensive maneuvers and techniques only when needed. However, there are some things that differentiate your style from Bane's. First of all is that you seem to favor a more proactive use of Juyo whereas Bane primarily used only Djem So as his offensive base, with Juyo being more of a fallback option if the techniques of Form V failed to warrant the results he desired. In your case, the decision to utilize both Juyo and Djem So as the basis of your offense would allow the two forms to feed into one another; Djem So would add more power behind the chaotic attack patterns of Juyo, while the staccato attack sequences of Juyo would make it harder for some opponents to avoid your power attacks. Second is your decision to additionally incorporate Niman into your chosen styles. While this form would indeed aid in the incorporation of force attacks to catch your opponent off guard, I also see it as a means of making your bladework a bit more versatile if you're willing take up a more dedicated study of the form in addition to your chosen styles of Djem So and Juyo. As the Jack of all trades style, Niman's strength lies in both its versatlity, and the user's own ability to creatively adapt and counter their opponent's style. If my assumption is correct on how you would apply Djem So and Juyo, I can see an advance level study of Niman as a means of being able to apply your chaotic power-based style more creatively, such as using close range force attacks to stagger opponents or mixing up your bladework. Concerning your defense, I imagine that you'd prefer the more stone wall approach of tanking your opponent's attacks before retaliating with attacks of your own, with occasional uses of Shien to take care of blaster wielding opponents. Then again, this is all just an assessment based on the information you presented in your past two comments so feel free to clarify on some points since I'm always interested to learn more about a person's chosen fighting style.

[@CC-8891]

I would study Soresu as my main dueling preference. Strong defense to outlast my opponent. When they are tired and aggravated I would use the finesse of Makashi to end the fight. I also have an interest in Ataru and Djem So.

[@kyleaustin6061]

We are waiting for Darth Vader vs Kyle Katarn and Lord Scourge vs Rahm Kota

[@ihavefreekids1924]

love this form its hard but worth it

[@GinLuna]

jensaarai, what would you think of a person who used form 7 with a saberstaff and history of a form 6 technique that emphasized the use of forms 1, 3, and 5 shien?

[@robgeorge4581]

+Sabin Felinus lol. Agreed.

[@GinLuna]

Sabin Felinus for the practitioner or the opponent?

[@GinLuna]

PS. the prerequisite I suggested is meant to suck at dueling, but be great at fighting many opponents. it's like a fusion between Galen Marek and the star killer clone. tempered, aggressive, and blunt.

[@samdickenson5852]

I think I could use Juyo, or at least Vaapad. I've mastered Niman (which is a hybrid of all forms except form 2, but I've done that one as well). I have some hatred inside me and I keep it contained.

[@br1mst0ne54]

Do you think it would be possible to specialize in both niman and juyo?

[@Fulcron13]

BR1MST0NE yes

[@ariesstorm9577]

Darth Maul specialised in both plus Jar'Kai and Teras Kasi. A well rounded warrior only brought down by his own hubris, a failing common among practitioners of the dark side.

[@verbalbbq7976]

Where does he take his data from?

[@cocoapuff_x]

Don't forget about the other varient of Form VII. Vaapad.

[@danielcooke3800]

Jar Kai is a variant of form V dual wielding style... Diem So is the variation of form V created for duelling And Shien was the variation created for blaster-wielding opponents. Makashi is a duelling style.... Niman is a blend of the first five forms and heavy focus on Force Power and duel-wielding.

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

one strange thing I observed that many juyo practitioners are vulnerable to quick force counters as mentioned in the video,yet it seems to me that form 1 users are more resistant even though both releases themself to the force. like lucien draay who had a pretty strog TK def.Odd.

[@cebenify]

That's because juyo was likely a sith style while shii-cho was exclusively made by the jedi. Sith release themselves far more than high-level shii-cho practitioners ever do, leaving them far more open to counterattack.

[@TheFattestLInHistory]

Is there a form Vlll?

[@ufukcangencoglu2279]

No. Just 7 traditional forms. There are some other styles that are different.

[@MADNOGI]

I would use shien/djem so as a base. I would of course learn every form, being able to correct its lack of footwork and mobility with forms like makashi and form 4. I would study form 6 to add in force abilities and form 3 simply to learn its holes and how to defeat a passive duelist. But I would also be a master in juyo. I personally believe forms 2,4, and 5 would very much round out juyo. Form 8 with a lil cheeky blade turn off🤷🏾‍♂️😭

[@DTheCritical]

Is Vaapad of form 7 even still canon presently? I know you are based on the EU now sadly called lgends but I am curious if anyone knows.

[@anthonybellino6467]

Blake Dusa yes it is still canon

[@danmarusan2878]

Blake Dusa, Mace Windu used Vapaad to fight Sidious in episode 3. Episode 1-6 are canon, which means Vapaad is canon.

[@DTheCritical]

+Danmaru San Yeah but that was mentioned in only the novelization of episode 3 and that is not canon

[@danmarusan2878]

Blake Dusa is the novelization that much different?

[@brenntantor1634]

Novelizations after Phantom Menace but before Revenge of the Sith tend to be canon.

[@lukastace3154]

Thumbnail?

[@Kolarsa]

Jensarii1: what is your opinion on the best arts to study under form 7

[@piercewise2232]

Djem So and Ataru could be a good basis for the form.

[@brenntantor1634]

Juyo is usually built up by knowing A LOT of other forms beforehand. If you want to be a really good, and traditionally offensive Juyo specialist, previous heavy experience primarily in the following forms sounds logical: I. Shii-Cho - visceral attacks, "force conduit" mindset/technique II. Makashi - tactics and precise subtle approaches IV. Ataru - force-acrobatic expertise and extreme angles V. Djem-So - decisive attacks where needed Of course you may add more. For example Juyo does not lack in offensive intention, but needs help in defensive technique. This fact may urge a different approach: II. Makashi - economy of motion and tactics III. Soresu - total defensive state IV. Ataru - acrobatic evasion V. Shien - immediate blocks and directed swift counterattacks

[@piercewise2232]

Shien wasn't really applied like that in lightsaber combat. That was Djem So. Btw while makashi isn't bad one studying Juyo should lean more towards forms 1,4 and 5

[@Mister-Thirteen]

Light whip + Juyo....Totally unpredictable?

[@khdean121]

The whips unwieldy attack patterns go against Juyo's quick and unpredictable strikes but even Juyo is highly precise on those swings or you leave yourself open too easily. The Duel of Fates is a perfect example.

[@bakionigeri6414]

I love Darth Sidious. He will ALWAYS be my favorite ⚡⚡⚡

[@demonsean]

a juyo master vs an ataru master who would probly win?

[@direraven7735]

demonsean It depends. Ataru can rush down Juyo, but the opposite can occur. It hinges on the ataru practitioner to physically outpace and evade vs the juyo practitioner to apply their mastery over prier forms to dismantle the former. It would be a violent affair overall.

[@joelancon7231]

to give you an elaborate answer (see what i did there) the two forms are confirmed to compliment eachother and have no real advantages on eachother when watchin an ataru master vs a juyo master they would hammer at eachother until one gave klout weather it be for speed or skill

[@direraven7735]

Cajun Bounty Hunter That's pretty much what it comes down to. It's hard to say which is better sense their is no obvious advantage/disadvantage between the two.

[@professionalmemeenthusiast2117]

I'd argue for Ataru because Juyo is physically exhausting and Ataru is focused on dodging instead of blocking, so the Juyo user will expend a lot of energy striking at empty air as the Ataru user jumps out of the way.

[@tonywright9906]

Juyo Master.To be more specific, it does come down to advantages/disadvantages between the two. Who is more skilled at compensating the weaknesses is key.Juyo uses acrobatics as well as speed. A lack of open space doesn't restrict Juyo neither does fatigue. Juyo is more in control,Not all its practitioners were blind furied berserkers as they want us to believe.Those practitioners allowed Juyo to master them.Therefore which were not true Juyo Masters. Ataru does have its strong points as well,you can compensate any weakness of any style if you were dedicated to it. Between to true masters of the forms in open space impasse. Lack of open space,Juyo all day.

[@akanthony100]

Halo Reach background music.

[@philburton3399]

Can you make a quiz bro ? I wanna see my lightsaber form

[@frankieclayton9303]

That's why my three forms are 4, 7, 8

[@darylfranklin5354]

I'm not an aggressive individual, but if I used Form VII, I would employ the Vaapad variant rather than Juyo

[@geocross237]

Jensaarai, do you think Rey could be considered a potential user of Form VII?

[@tdjkhazard4522]

Nice halo reach soundtrack in the background

[@richardnicks5450]

I subscribed because it was the halo reach soundtrack

[@LikeABoss1211]

Why is anakin not juyo instead form 5 since he actually uses the dark side?? Answer thanks

[@filipstellberg8280]

Anakin was denied to be taught Form VII by Cin Drallig because it led too close to the Dark Side, and Anakin was too close already. Quinlan Vos was also heavily discouraged to continue using it for the same reason.

[@LikeABoss1211]

Filip Stellberg ohh yea I forgot 😩 but I'm talking about more on a fan view. Because it seems like video makers seem to call him form 5 by how he fights, but I think he's more of a juyo/ form 5 defender because he has good blade work as well when deflecting blasts or other sabers.

[@aidankeogh9994]

Anakin's skill at blast deflection and defense against lightsaber attacks stem from his mastery of Form 5's two variants. At the beginning of the Clone Wars, Anakin was a Shien specialist, a style that was all about aimed blast deflection. By the end of the Clone Wars, thanks to encounters with those such as Asajj Ventress and Count Dooku, Anakin expanded and retooled his fighting style to accommodate for his frequent lightsaber duels and to make better use of his new cybernetic hand. He mastered Djem So by the time of Revenge of The Sith, which was a style of Form 5 specifically for lightsaber duels that was developed from Soresu. Djem So was all about staunch defense, followed up by immediate counter blows with crushing strength- perfect for Anakin's incredible strength further augmented by his cybernetic hand. Anakin, unless he got his emotions under control, wouldn't even be a very good Juyo practitioner- and would have no success with Vaapad.

[@AJ-li7vr]

StarWars&Sneakers21 because Anakin like dominating his opponents with heavy strikes and counter attacks...... djem so fits him perfectly

[@piercewise2232]

Well as Darth Vader he mixed in juyo with his lightsaber combat style but his backbone/specialty was Djem So

[@danielabellachioma9480]

This is the Style i prefer to use with Ataru.

[@oulmaty5260]

DECEMBER 2017

[@S4ftyIn2pect0r]

AAACCCCTTTUUAALLLYYY Windu's form was Vapaad a form of juyo but the complete opposite not using the anger of the user but the anger of the opponent hence windu initially beat palpatine

[@avwillis5269]

Hot take: if they had developed the lightsaber styles in time for the first Knights of the Old Republic, Juyo would have been a perfect fit for Juhani.

[@frankieclayton9303]

You must be discipline controlled not allowing yourself and emotions to have control over you have patience focused love be pure in heart spirit soul a servant vessel nobody not to be seen or rewarded just for the right reasons not proud seek God wisdom insights growing be developed sound in every way

[@noahweathers4408]

I believe that Juyo would be the tenth, and least effective lightsaber style for me, followed by Vaapad in ninth place. Overall I’d call any “attempt” I made at Form VII pathetic.

[@noahweathers4408]

To be specific, I believe I could memorize the relevant stances and techniques, but would be unable to summon up the necessary physical strength and aggressive mindset.

[@samuelmarberry4761]

7:43..... what?... did Vader just have armor over everything except his wrists?!?

[@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy]

I like the Halo Reach soundtrack playing lol

[@MrYrode]

and Juyo is a Dark side form (for me)

[@thepersoner1182]

THE CHANNEL STRIKE IS DEAD

[@JabezFuutonSpecialis]

Can you explain why you don't think Juyo is a Sith style, the Jedi are after all known for adopting foreign styles and calling it their own *cough Niman/Jar'Kai cough* and does seem to be more in line with Sith philosophy compared to everything else!!!

[@ariesstorm9577]

Odojinya87 I would also go as far as to say that Djem So was also a Sith style, but the Jedi adopted it and adapted it to their philosophy, adding it to their preexisting Form V style Shien.

[@thordgensec]

Rahm Kota vs Old Ben Kenobi

[@filipinogopnik4161]

make three lightsaber videos about the strong, medium and light styles. -Darth Raith-

[@psychotime5023]

Form 7 reminds me of form 1

[@DTheCritical]

Literally the berserker fighting style if the SW universe

[@MrYrode]

i think Sidious was true master of Niman (my favorite Form)

[@TheNukedNacho]

WAIT A DAMN MINUTE. THATS HALO REACH IN THE BACKGROUND. AROUND 8 MINUTE

[@TheNukedNacho]

In my defense, I listen to these, not watch. I did not see the credits section. I apologize

[@guywhoscrollsthroughcommen7973]

just noticed halo reach music

[@christianpittman2302]

Mace windu didn’t create vapaad it was already in existence over a thousand years before he was born. Darth Bane mentioned fighting a master of vapaad in the novel path of destruction

[@TrajGreekFire]

It was an error

[@ironinquisitor3656]

the writer meant to write Juyo but made a typing error and wrote Vaapad.

[@serganteddy5]

Mace Windu was a lot cooler than what a lot of people had thought.

[@nicholasreyes5893]

Halo reach theme in the back ground lol

[@slamexo0]

Why do you keep saying “juyah”? lmao

[@jelanitate20]

well some consider lukes rage filled final duel against vader was somewhat a use of form 7.

[@HittoTheAssassin]

I used Juyo before i joined the order