Former Cult Leader Talks About Tactics Used in Cults

[@Dhibdic]

You talk about this so nonchalantly, but I can’t imagine how terrifying it must have been to make that shift in perspective. Those who wake up from cults are so much stronger than they are given credit for.

[@timmygibsonkc]

It was a long slow process! Thank you! Glad I am free!

[@RichLunaMusic]

That exclusive club mindset makes me think of Secret Societies. So dangerous.

[@mender722]

I used to attend a church called Shekinah when I lived in TN. They taught tithing 23%. A lot was going on with me at that time. One thing, I felt invisible at that church. Anyway, I left, found another church, and asked myself, "What does it mean to live by faith?" It turns out that this was the beginning of my deconstruction. After 30 plus years, I began to realize something was off. Then I came out as gay, and the church kicked me out, in a manner of speaking. One church actually did force me out. I have found nicer people at bars.

[@ckvarnmass]

Gosh, as I listen to you, it is me having said all this to myself, long ago. We don't need a go-between since God is within us all. But everyone is out there searching for a god outside of themselves. This is why all man made religions need to be dismantled. If people were forced to listen to their own hearts, instead of a go-between, this world would be a better place.

[@blessedhitchhiker]

Every time you say "former tongue talker" it cracks me up

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@blessedhitchhiker 😂

[@ItsMeNanaD71]

53 years ago I was born into a “rebellious” SDA (cult) family because we used black pepper & ate cow, chicken & Turkey, just not pig & the women wore makeup & listened to secular music. But we went to church on Saturdays & such. My grandparents never tasted bacon or pepperoni 😱 Fast forward 53 years, I LOVE bacon & pepperoni & I’m watching your video. What a freaking ride it’s been so far & continues to be as I’m wrapping my head around the actual truth of how folks were living in antiquity (Jesus’ time) & that Jesus was actually known to be a SORCERER since he was a HEALER as they both meant the same thing. Imagine my surprise when I was raised that magic was evil & found out that the 3 “wise men” were actually MAGI aka magicians. Reading the Bible in the greek is opening my eyes & started me on this journey of seeking the ACTUAL truth. I learned from Ammon Hillman about Mark 14:51-52, when Jesus was caught in a public park with a naked boy at 4am & I had a HUGE issue with that story. Like if that happened today, f I came upon a man in his 30s in a public park at 4am with a naked boy, I would likely go to prison because I’d call on my besties (Smith & Wesson) to handle the situation. I’m still looking at it from as many different perspectives as possible do I can come to my own conclusions. Thank you for your videos.

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@ItsMeNanaD71 that’s a wild upbringing… so you get it

[@teena4rl211]

I've heard them called "high demand religions." Very apt. Enjoying these commentaries.

[@timmygibsonkc]

I will continue to share! Thank you for commenting.

[@DebbieCarter-pw7rf]

Yes and “high control religions” also apt.

[@aleksserbia9677]

I left cult 4 months ago. I try to left first time maybe year ago. It was so scary becouse most of my friends are in cult. And us vs them mentality was very pumped up there. Its all that mind control tactics from them that i need to solve on my brain. When i finaly left everything, change my phone number and adress and all that, best part in life is thinking with your own head and life without judging from people that are in cult. I feel like bird flying out from cage and feeling wind for first time after years. When you talk and smile i see that you are free to. Thanks for the video.

[@timmygibsonkc]

Glad you got out.

[@StaceyMifsud]

You should contact Cults to Consciousness and do an interview with them. It would be so interesting from your perspective.

[@maddiemorgan1175]

Yesssss I totally agree please reach out! Timmy, you and Shelise would have incredible discourse on her podcast!🙌

[@SyrinSlava]

He would definitely get an interview with her if he just asked. Would be an awesome episode!

[@CultstoConsciousness]

😏

[@SyrinSlava]

@@CultstoConsciousness there we go!

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@maddiemorgan1175 We are in touch!

[@SleeplessMomma]

Your video about Dancing For The Devil showed up in my recommendations here a few days back. Watched it and appreciate your insight. This video also showed up and I am glad you’re speaking out about this. It is so important that people get wise to cults as it seems that there are so many of them around. I find the ones that convince their followers that they are free thinkers while repeating the cult lines, particularly scary.

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you so much! I’ll keep’em coming!

[@Geeronimo99]

My region in uk is a mass of cults. I steer well clear. Alpha christians very odd....😮

[@winros]

I never. Heard of 6000 years before it was only in the past couple of years. It was always two thousand years.

[@tarah.1648]

Thank you so much for posting again on this topic!!!!!

[@timmygibsonkc]

Of course! It’s time I tell my story… so here we go!

[@Alleellaa]

That’s a really good point- to bring friends from home that are not involved in your exclusive group, and see their reaction. If they’re not allowed to come without an exclusive invite for your secret party of salvation, you might be in a cult 😂😂😂

[@asaburnley1699]

Loving the inside tea. Please keep making these videos! Subscribed

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you so much! More to come.

[@KornFanaticBeck]

Thank you for sharing your journey! I found your channel after watching Dancing With The Devil. I love your unique perspective!

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you so much!

[@concertlover2202]

I came across ur 1st video sun. Loved it. Brilliant, honest, informative, at times funny viewpoint about this 7M and cults in general. I then watched a cable news story last night about the 7M and they had on a woman who was in Keith Raniere. NXIVM cult. She, at times, duplicated your explanation why this is cult like at best. based on the fundamentals/warnings/reasons/etc. So, I’m glad you’ve posted something new bc I think you have unique experience to this topic. And, it doesn’t hurt that you’re charismatic and well spoken. Thnx!

[@timmygibsonkc]

Thank you so much. I appreciate your kind words.

[@concertlover2202]

My 1st FT “real” job at21, mid80s😳,was 1/2 owned by L. Ron Hubbard. Then I thought Dianetics was about a diet fad🤦🏼‍♀️. Much later finding out how kooky, or calculating, he really was. I think that slight connection sparked my fascination with/these things. How, even seemingly smart ppl, can get sucked in. Disclaimer tho, I’m not religious nor believe in organized religions. Looking forward to learning more about your journey - including how you came into your current life path. Thnx for reading/interacting w/ur subscribers too! Great job!😊

[@winros]

The people before the two thousand years... Timmy, those are my sentiments exactly!

[@Nadomajoy]

Another awesome video! Thanks so much for sharing your story. I share SO many of the same experiences coming from the pentecostal/evangelical background. I remember walking home with a new friend in high school "educating" her about the rapture and her being so creeped out 😂 (what do you mean locusts from the abyss and the four horsemen of the apocalypse isn't a good ice breaker?😂). Even to this day I have to remind myself that in bible college theology classes I was taught incorrectly when I watch science related videos now. I even remember going to one of those christian science museums to see evidence of Noah's ark and artifacts found in the flood and you couldn't convince me that wasn't all the proof I needed at the time. I look forward to chapter 2. Please keep sharing!

[@timmygibsonkc]

I will keep sharing! I have stories for years 😂

[@tarah.1648]

It's interesting hearing different people's "ahah" moments walking away from high-control groups. When I first heard "Take Me To Church" by Hozier, I knew right then and there, that I was done. On the spot. I always had doubts at the back of my mind but I brainwashed myself daily. I lived and breathed my religion growing up. But I always knew, deep deep down, I didn't believe it. I pushed away skeptical thoughts for a very long time because I feared being deceived by "the enemy". It took that song playing just ONCE.

[@LisaForTruth]

And don't shove it down our throats like they're trying to. Evangelicalism is in decline, and they are terrified.

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@LisaForTruth I just saw a video about that from Barna Research … and I’m going to do a video about that. It also said something like 50% of evangelical Christian don’t even believe in the Virgin Birth. Typically a core belief in Evangelical circles! People are catching on.

[@captainobvious8983]

Man, how has the backlash been for you? I had quite a few people reaching out trying to get me back to being a believer and it was like staring at a brainless machine of anecdotes and emotionally charged words so it was weird lol

[@84JD]

I got out from Shekinah in 2008. I look back and notice that a cult needs to break from the inside. What are your opinion on how to break this Shekinah’s cult?

[@ColorsFlight]

wow you should go on cults to consciousness

[@84JD]

@@ColorsFlight we made contacts.

[@Rachel-xo1du]

I am a survivor of an extremist evangelical-like, christianity-based group. If you haven't already, I recommend checking out Take Back Your Life by Janja Lalich. Her book has been really helpful for me in my decade of deconstruction. I also wonder if you could do a video about what it's like to be a leader and confronting how your involvement affected others. Thanks for creating this content!

[@Geeronimo99]

Ive studied cults for two decades her books were two of the best i read. One with another ex cult member. I believe in individual christians. Groups always become toxic. Good deeds are good. I no longer believe in any organized religion. Captive hearts captive minds...by lalich and madelaine tobias... Also steve hassan.s works.

[@824thor]

Good stuff. Spot on. I'm an old head. I grew up in church. I like your honesty. I am still a Christian very nuanced. I am pro LGBTQ+ I believe the Bible has some contradictions. It is refreshing to hear your perspective. My favorite speaking in tongues is RondaBoughtAHonda. Lol

[@Geeronimo99]

Jordan maxwell.s ppdcasts are educative. Worth listening to. Also paul wallis...

[@CMKFilmz]

If the devil's powerful enough to create dinosaur bones and plant them, then he must be very powerful. Couldn't God just destroy them?

[@marycarter748]

I’m so thankful for you Timmy. You’re such a joyful and amazing person. I’m no longer a Christian but only of a short time. This has been one of my question if the Bible was absolutely accurate and true why are there so many different denominations? So whose Christian belief is right? Also I grew up pentecostal lol but had the experience of getting to be in other denominations as well. Would like to know your thoughts on that.

[@TunziSNORT]

The Cults are so dark and ugly

[@Alleellaa]

I like “cultics” 😏 I vote we keep it

[@harveywabbit9541]

Noah was married to his wife and the wives of the three sons (winter, spring, and summer). His wife was also the wife of Osiris and she was Isis, mother of Horus.

[@lukeda21pisrack]

Just curious. Maybe youd be willing to make a video on it

[@tammiebrown8317]

I have a heavy science background and hear you about the reconciliation between science and religion. However, we know science isn’t always correct or accurate. 😂

[@Brian-kj5vw]

When you deconverted from Christianity and left that church did any of your congregation follow you out the door

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@Brian-kj5vw I have some friends from that time period, and there are a few who also deconverted from Christianity. Many just went to another evangelical church in the area.

[@davidsmith-uw2ci]

Always loved the dino argument i usually say to them do you think scientists carved them out of stone then took a time machine and buried them just to come back to the future and go to the exact place and say hey look what ive found.

[@kameronsaylors9544]

How would you, as a pastor, explain how people got to heaven before Jesus ?

[@lukeda21pisrack]

What are your thoughts on ghosts and the supernatural?

[@craigbascom5224]

Yeah your right alot churches that are weird and then it effects the people that go there. From Happy 😊

[@ColorsFlight]

yes you don't need a man of God that was one of the main points of the new testament

[@ColorsFlight]

Can you explain the tongues thing. That would be interesting

[@timmygibsonkc]

Sure!

[@ColorsFlight]

@@timmygibsonkc oh cool I think a video would be very interesting on this topic. I recently went to an Apostlic Church and they tried to pray me into doing this. I didn't do it of course so they were constantly bringing up that you aren't saved unless you do this. I am of the mind that the Bible is just talking about speaking in other languages. And when Paul says "rather I speak in the tongues of Angels or men.... " he was being sarcastic. But I would love you insight on this. I have really been enjoying your videos.

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@ColorsFlight Thank you. I was in that world for 50 years, so I have so much to share, lmao!

[@tsilver3204]

How interesting 👍

[@JulietTheGirl]

Cult + tactics = cultics :)

[@ingenuity296]

❤❤❤

[@Godskingdomcouncelorcrystal]

To truly walk for God takes alot of hard work. Doing His will and NOT your own. People follow man and NOT the true God. If you were a pastor you know the word of God good. In revelarion says the whole world will be deceived even if it were possible even the very elect. That in this time there will be wolves in sheep clothing, so much deception, false teachers, false prophets you know all these things yet your allowing the devil to win in your life for allowing him to decieve you into not serving God anymore. You turned away. You knoe the truth you know theres eternal life or damnation hell. Remember at the end of the day your choice, your free will on who you will serve. I just watched that movie "nefarious " how that demon manipulated that man and how they try to win and get the person to forefiet their relationship with God. So sad. I truly pray you will seek God yourself and not man, ask Him yourself take direcrion from him, not man, do his will his way not your own. Not like alester crawley do what you want your will that is the law. So deceptive so sad. Nothing wrong with exposing thr church hey i dont go because of that reason i serve God at home. True definition of church is circus. We are the body of christ. Your worth so much more dont let the enemy win and decieve you. You coming out of this is God testimony to help others get free. Dont waste your talents.

[@TheMunchigan]

Not all churches are cults some do actually preach the truth. I love you brother and pray that you accept Jesus as you lord and savior he is the only way he loves you and wants to save you. Don’t be deceived because Jesus loves you

[@joegurt2957]

Jesus isn’t real

[@denisestarr2314]

Yea , lol , Much of the same stuff happened to me in my detransitioning from the christain cult . Being raised on the south , aaauuuggg! Yep , no matter what I did , I was going to hell . Postmodern, trans pearson . I was doomed . And being ignorant on top of it all . But I knew the bible front and back . I made a fool of myself . Scence then I got devoraced and got an education . I then detransitioned from christianity . And have been a bit angry for being lied to all those years .

[@brutalhonesty6742]

That's why you follow Gods Word and not man. A fallen person will want your entire paycheck for his own selfish need. God never told us we had to join a church either. It sounds like you got deeply involved with a group that twisted Gods Word for their own use that you allowed to ruin your relationship with God.

[@MariskaArbeidsdeskundige]

Disagree min 2:00 - 2:17, because then Eastern based Cults would not exist, if it was all Evan....your view is limited. Bagwan danced in bare feet.

[@timmygibsonkc]

True! I only have an American Cult view, which most all come from the Evangelical Group. But of course I don’t know about all the other religious cults. But it does seem they all come from some sort of religion.

[@YesAndJW]

@@timmygibsonkc It is possible that cult-like groups do not come from a religious background. I recommend looking into tactics of 'coercive control,' because those are the same tactics and dynamics used in cults, DV/IPV/SV, gangs, terrorist groups, trafficking, LGATs, etc. I work with former cult members and survivors of narcissistic abuse, and I'm happy to have a deeper conversation about it if you want to. While what you're saying is true, it's also true that the tactics used aren't necessarily limited to some sort of religion.

[@MariskaArbeidsdeskundige]

@@YesAndJW Agree, but religion is a great smoke screen.

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@YesAndJW I didn't even consider the idea of "gangs" being a cult, so true! Thank you for sharing that. I didn't even consider that.

[@Curiouscatnap]

Former cult leader, former pastor current sociopath

[@timmygibsonkc]

😂

[@AEPhotog1]

I’m definitely having an existential crisis! Lol I’m also 55 and I was sincerely wrong too 😢🫠😭

[@timmygibsonkc]

@@AEPhotog1 I hear ya!