Why Electric Bikes are More Dangerous than Motorcycles

[@notaname8140]

Best piece of advice I ever heard - when you're on 2 wheels, assume that everyone else is a moron until they prove otherwise

[@pastor3271]

When you're on 2 wheels, assume that no one can see you

[@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy]

Even better advice: Assume that everyone else is a moron until they prove otherwise period.

[@NoobieToob]

@@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy Including we ourselves.

[@Pabloman333]

Assume that everyone else on the road is trying to kill you.

[@snakeplissken2148]

as a car driver, everyone on 2 wheels behaves like a moron. motobikes drive way too fast through populated area or on roads towards crossings and loose their mind if someone just turns normaly. bicyclists drive just the way they want, assuming they are some kind of immortal or at least chosen to be martyrs.

[@AngelGarcia-jo9ss]

With gas at $5.50 in California currently, I looked at bicycling to work. My only problem was that the only 2 roads that go to my work, have a speed limit of 50 mph, those 2 roads do not have bike lanes, and are 2 lane roads, 1 lane in each direction. I could not see myself riding a bicycle on those roads with cars whizzing by at 50+. 3 days ago, I got my M1 permit and am in the process of becoming a motorcycle owner.

[@nogem1]

Zero makes good EV motorcycles, worth checking out

[@eisac1234]

Always wear your gear and be careful m8, even on an eBike if you eventually get one. If you’re 20mph or over you need a full face helmet and armor!

[@austinhernandez2716]

That's America for you. Only for cars, neglecting everything else. People have told me it's fine, you can still ride your bike 🙄

[@JOSH-uk5fd]

@@austinhernandez2716 Yeah, I mean you can't really expect the average person to be comfortable with that kind of danger on a daily basis. Regardless what's at fault for said danger. The change has to happen to the infrastructure before any blame can be shifted onto an individual

[@nogem1]

@Veronika Zaglotovareally haven't needed repairs, local dealership work rates aren't bad and there's good community support around them for bolt ons and upgrades. Bolt on I did was easy enough

[@somekid7]

As a cyclist, I've learned to never expect a driver to be paying attention or following rules. The risk is too high and the power is too imbalanced.

[@jm6604-c4d]

Or cyclists either!

[@nobleharbor265]

@@jm6604-c4d Ever see or hear of a cyclist leaving the scene of a traffic incident ( I mean other than in an ambulance)? The other way round is common. As to fatalities & serious injuries, car or truck drivers rarely if ever are seriously injured in a car/truck & bike crash.

[@leifvejby8023]

That is how we drive motorcycles too, if we want to survive. See every car as an assassin!

[@rjbiker66]

​@nobleharbor265 I have. They knocked down a pedestrian and left the scene. The pedestrian was taken to hospital with a broken arm

[@tmnt3998]

As a cyclist I have learned to put myself to a dangerous position for me that would end up me being dead and the driver to jail just out of spite :) It really helped me being myself on the road and regulary get showers on my turbo aerodynamic sun glasses.

[@thomasplooij9795]

Good bicycle infrastructure makes the world of difference. Here in the Netherlands cars and bicycles are often completely seperated. In big cities the route you can take with the bicycle is often shorter then by car, which in turn makes people use more bicycles and clearing the roads, so that the people driving dont get stuck in trafic

[@heyoou]

well put. Sometimes when I google map directions, ebiking or even bicycling takes same amount of time to reach your destination. Then there is traffic, detours, parking that makes driving frustrating. Ebiking is a pleasure in so many ways: gas saving, no traffic, bike paths, and you enjoy the scenery.

[@JeroenJA]

hij praat echt niet over EU e-bikes hoor, 30 miles an hour = 45 km/U , dat zijn spedelecs ;-) die zijn in EU regels grotendeels onder regels voor gemotoriseerde voertuigen, zo is nummerplaat, verzekering EN het hebben van een rijbewijs verplicht ;-). Dus exact al waar hij over klaagt, doen we gewoon, wij beschouwen die bij ons wel wettelijk als grotendeels een moto, maar dan tussenfase, mag ook niet op alle fietspaden zomaar, en in Belgie allesins in meeste fietspaden dan ook max 30km/u, als die sneller wilt moet die tussen wagens rijden in principe ;)

[@Vespyr_]

But how does that improve the motorvehicle industry and sell more cars if they can just use bikes to get to their destination easily?

[@bocahdongo7769]

Even then on there fast E-bike is still dangerous Even more dangerous because now you fight with slower bicycle

[@kleini3]

@@bocahdongo7769jack shit. Driving excessively faster than other road others is always more dangerous. Doesn’t matter the vehicle. People need to be able to judge the surrounding traffic and handle the speeds there vehicle is capable of. 20kmph is easily achievable on non e-bike for a commuter. So no big different to an e-bike. And every sportier cyclist can do more then 25.

[@treeguyable]

Been bicycling 56 yrs, motorcycling 47 yrs. Just act like they are out to kill you. Keeps you safe.

[@krofski]

Always! Avoid the cars and you'll be fine!

[@JonesLongwater]

As a motorcyclist who has (thankfully) never been in a collision, I concur. You need the mentality and perception that EVERY. SINGLE. ONE of those vehicles on the road is out to kill you. People can (and will) do very stupid things. Hope for the best, sure. But plan for the worst! Will keep you alive for sure when commuting.

[@N1RKW]

I always rode with the thoughts that A: I was invisible to cars, and B: they all wanted me to die. I had a number of close calls with cars, but being on my toes doubtless helped me avoid collisions.

[@p1t45]

This is actually the most precious advice ever.

[@wtfnoheals]

This is literally how I drive, bike and walk. I ALWAYS drive expecting someone could hit me any moment.

[@cquilty673]

Safest attitude possible: Whatever two-wheeler you're riding, assume everything, including pedestrians, I mean everything on the road or sidewalks is out to get you. Just you. Nobody else.

[@kuldeepsingh5114]

That's a good one

[@brodywolf5355]

No kidding , I'm as flashy as possible on my bike and I still almost get run over on a weekly basis.

[@lexx5313]

Words to live by!

[@amoghlakkanagavi10]

Exactly my strat... Which is much needed especially where I live (India)

[@cquilty673]

It really is a bit paranoid. I admit that. But then my primary learning curve was on the streets of Izmir, Turkey. At the time, it was mostly 1st and 2nd generation drivers. I can't count the number of times I was cut off, forced onto a curb and on two occasions, cars pulled right in front of me and stopped, waiting to see if I'd hit them. But the lessons and attitude have served me well over the years. I must be blessed or charmed. I survived.

[@Ididathing]

But my mum wont let me ride a motorcycle

[@cristian_m_ciarlo]

Show her this video and she would...

[@alexonian9543]

Then wait to move out lol

[@karlhanna4299]

@i did a thing my mom won’t either, I managed to convince her to let me get a mini bike and after a year of riding that I convinced her to let me sell it and buy a bigger bike and she agreed but as soon as I gathered enough money she is back at square one saying no

[@VenoXj1]

@@cristian_m_ciarlo You think so? I think she would rather tell him hes not allowed to ride an ebike anymore instead of allowing him to ride a motorcycle.

[@lucaschristo787]

You're literally everywhere 😂

[@coreygolpheneee]

One of the biggest differences on a bicycle especially one with disc brakes is how quickly you can come to a dead stop you have to be very conscious about it in my experience

[@RZFX619]

I've recently started ebike commuting. Interfacing with car traffic on the street is exhausting, but the separated cycling infrastructure portions are relaxing and great.

[@lawrence-yx1ew]

same. I hate using the streets. riding to my destination via the riverbeds is so much easier

[@geroutathat]

But thats what makes it more dangerous, because for large stretches the car expects you to be seperated from them, then boom youre on their inside, when motorbikes are on the outside doing their overtake. So now you have to compete with them moving over to avoid an oncoming vehicle squeezing you in, or someone stepping off a path.

[@djkenny1202]

@@luckyspock you pay road tax and insurance due to the inherent damage, risk association(thousands of lbs, high speeds, can kill people-pedestrians, bicyclists, other drivers, etc)

[@gnnascarfan2410]

@@luckyspock Boy do I have news for you: A road tax is not there to fund roads, it is an income stream for your state's treasury that they can spend on whatever they want.

[@gnnascarfan2410]

@@luckyspock Hmm, because the injuries getting hit by a bicycle vs hit by a car are less severe. In addition, your 40-80 pound bike does FAR LESS road damage than the thousands of pounds of car.

[@gregorydonohoe5012]

I was a commuting cyclist for decades.I got tired of feeling like a target, so I bought a Zero FXS electric supermoto for commuting. Now I can keep up with traffic, and feel much safer. (I was already a motorcyclist, and have a gas bike for longer trips.)

[@mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310]

How’s the zero holding up? I’d love to buy one but zero pulled out of Australia for some reason.

[@mikesimpson6757]

@@mj_aussie_coaster_travels8310 I was just going to ask the same thing. lol

[@markparker5585]

I test rode most of the Zeros, a few years back, and the FXS gave me the most smiles. It would be great for a short commute, as it’s so quick and nimble. But for me, for a quick blast, just for pure fun, it’s hard to beat. It would definitely be my number one choice if I were to buy a motorcycle again.

[@mikesimpson6757]

@@markparker5585 Well if Democrats had their way, they would take all the gas vehicles off the road right now and force us into electric or public transportation. The problem with that is my commute is fairly long that zero cycle vehicles probably would be out of juice before I made it home. Cheers

[@seandaliege]

@@mikesimpson6757 what's your commute?

[@JCintheBCC]

I have been road cycling my entire adult life, and I never fully understood how batshit crazy it was until I started riding a motorcycle again. I found myself riding my motorcycle down a canyon rode at 45mph, and I realized that I was traveling at the same speed I do on my road bike. Except I had big disc brakes... and a full face helmet... and an armored jacket, pants, boots, and gloves... and lights and turn signals... and a suspension, and tires that have larger contact patches, which weren't traveling through the gravel on or near the shoulder. Meanwhile, when I'm on my 16 lb carbon road bike, I wear spandex and a styrofoam hat. The motorcycle seemed safe AF.

[@talyahr3302]

This is related to why I've been transitioning from skateboarding to getting into dirt biking

[@Cobalt985]

I really don't know how to say this properly but I've been gearing up for riding my e-bike since I got it and it's baffling to me that other people aren't. That shit goes fast, act like it

[@iBike2Live]

Everything is Relative, right?

[@rodbacon9489]

Pity you didn't have a spell checker.

[@rodent]

like I told to my lycra friends: I ride enduro mountain bike, safer than road cycling.

[@BrandG.]

Long time bicycle commuter, who took a break after knee pain on an e-bike here. It took me one month to realize I'm older now, and the danger of riding in my simi-urban town is too dang high. Got my first motorcycle last week, feeling much more stable, and seen.

[@geraldarcuri9307]

Trust me. I'm a 75 year old, experienced bicyclist, motorcyclist, and high performance auto driver ( track ). NOTHING will protect you from distracted, lousy car drivers. Gave up my motorcycle, ride my bike ONLY on dedicated bike paths. Motorcycles, E-bikes and bicycles DO NOT BELONG on the same roads as automobiles. Period. E-bikes are a hazard, a danger to their riders and others.

[@PanRider939]

@@geraldarcuri9307totally agree, there’s plenty of room on motorways, on-ramps, off ramps, and traffic lights to insert motorcycle lanes. 👍👍

[@Bordpie]

On occasion I would ride into work and back for a week on an E-bike, but the part that worried me most wasn't in urban traffic (part of it was on a separate cycle path anyway) but on a somewhat busy country road. It's very twisty with a 50mph speed limit and some ups and downs. I was mostly worried about cars doing stupid overtakes on blind corners or short straights where they try to get past you, which did happen a couple of times. I would always get extra vigilant in these places. There is a mostly offroad route I would sometimes take to get home, but I would often get muddy and it was about 10 mins longer. Great in summer, but as the nights drew in and it got muddy I would have to take the road. Now I have a motorcycle I feel much safer, as I am actually keeping up with traffic, and can control my position in the road by staying in the middle. Sometimes on an E-bike I would move to the middle to stop any chance of someone trying to overtake in places. But I still am cautious around the problem areas on the twisty country roads (I call them stupid overtake corners), as I sometimes see lines of traffic behind bicycles (not necessarily E-bikes) and have once had to move for someone trying to overtake a bike going the other way. Last week that road was closed due to an accident (I think). I have no idea what vehicles were involved but it wouldn't surprise me if it involved someone overtaking a cyclist. I'm just glad I'm off the E-bike for commuting. I would even go as far as to say an increase in the legal speed limit for E-bikes would make them safer. Whever I ride my E-bike now for leisure now, it feels really strange not wearing my full motorcycle gear (full face helmet and airbag jacket). It's just not feasible to put a cycle path on every road, particularly country roads it would require extensive rebuilding and widening of every road and bridge etc. Frankly I would prefer to be off the road entirely with my E-bike, if they could make the bridleways smoother with less mud (and sometimes quicker routes), but that would be equally expensive and impractical. Ultimately I have to adapt to the conditions before me (public transport wasn't an option either as it's uneconomical for my route to work) and a motorbike has been the best option. In some ways I'm glad I happened to take up motorcycling as I am beginning to enjoy it and want to go further afield.

[@riskyraccoon]

@@geraldarcuri9307 It has been tough to come to terms with this but this is how I feel as well. I wish we had more roads that didn't allow cars

[@kekchup6288]

The thing which makes cycling safer and more attractive is good infrastructure like separated bike lanes etc.

[@SheikAshii]

my city is doifn this right now. Streets newr my house are becoming 1 way streets with a devider for a 2 way bike lane. It's probably annoying for drivers but for bikers it's way less deadly

[@Diremagic]

We don't have many bike lanes in my city ugh

[@critterIMHO]

But do you want to share those lanes with 50 mph electric bicycles?

[@Cobalt985]

@@critterIMHO electric bikes that go over 32 km/h and/or have a motor with greater power than 500w are already considered motorcycles in my country. All this fear-mongering means nothing, fuck off. They're not allowed to ride in the bike lanes

[@frotobaggins7169]

I like the bike lanes idea but it's just wrong that the people driving gas vehicles have to pay for it all. the electric bikes and electric cars get a free ride on the infrastructure paid for through gas taxes which they don't contribute to. Cyclists should have to pay for the bike lanes and leave the gas tax money go towards things that more directly benefit cars.

[@kaisquared3867]

Aside from regulating the speed of ebikes, a lot of the problems here come from the infrastructure. If e-bikes were limited to reasonable speeds, and riders were provided real bike infrastructure rather than forced to choose between busy footpaths or deadly roads, we could see a vast amount of improvement and allow ebikes to become a valuable transportation option

[@peterjv8748]

Cars are the ones that should have their speed limited. But no, they put it on everyone else to take safety measures because car makers and drivers are dangerous and irresponsible. smh

[@Sike55]

@@peterjv8748 this is the dumbest fucking comment I've seen in a while.

[@theepimountainbiker6551]

What to you is a reasonable speed? In Canada ebikes are limited to 32km/h, well below our lowest speed limits of 40 in school zones. Meanwhile cars can and DO regularly go well over with no effort at all. Cars if anything should be limited. With all the tech in cars Im surprised theyre not synced with google maps and limited to the speed for the road

[@elgenetiamzon1062]

​@theepimountainbiker6551 I don't know where you live, but here in Calgary the school zone limit is 30km/h.

[@Bookslayer10]

Everyone should have good infrastructure, because traffic calming techniques are more effective than speed limits. You shouldn't feel the need to go 60km/h in a bike lane, or 60km/h in a car on a city street.

[@NotJustBikes]

This is a great video, and interesting food for thought. Of course this analysis assumes riding an ebike in mixed traffic with motor vehicles. As soon as you introduce Dutch-style infrastructure and an EU 25km/h limit for ebikes, the equation is completely different, and ebikes come out very far ahead in safety (though not as safe as acoustic bicycles). This definitely applies for what the Dutch call "spoed pedelecs", but more than anything, this is just more evidence that safe cycling infrastructure is what's needed in cities more than anything else.

[@sambadham1404]

But they do have that! In every US state the max speed for a ebike is 20mph in Europe it is 15.5mph. He is riding around on a ebike that does 37mph and tries to make a comparison. He is breaking the law!

[@haha-fn1uk]

@@sambadham1404 wawa wawa the chattel care about laws lol

[@coverision]

what did you mean by 'acoustic bicycles'?

[@yay-cat]

lels I just left a comment saying they should go check out your channel 😹 but yeah I think motorbikes could also benefit from dedicated infrastructure like motorcycles only lanes and little stop boxes at the front of the traffic queue (or just a train to commute so you can use bikes for recreation). the pro’s of an e bike compared to motorbike is 1) you can take it indoors to your office or on a train 2) cheaper to buy and maintain 3) exercise is great for you 4) less noise and combustion pollution to the environment 5) A bicycle is like the perfect example of a circular economy product. It can be repaired and maintained and can technically last forever and if you want a better one you can upgrade components. Really good on the reduce reuse recycle thing because you can almost always find someone who wants your old bike (so it doesn’t just get sent to a scrap heap)

[@Българиянадвсичко-с9ж]

Downhill is a thing

[@dinobebo]

This is yet another great example of giving cyclists more roads undisturbed by motorists. Since North America for that matter is extremely car dependent, it's basically a death sentence for inexperienced cyclists merging with high speed traffic. This of course applies to basically all places that are car dependent. Definitely a great idea on paper, but without way more city planning to keep not only cyclists, but general motor traffic as safe as possible, this will sadly end in fatalities. Great video! I never actually knew how well bike gear protects us. It's crazy to see what the can take! Stay safe out there, pal!

[@alanmartinez6877]

We hear you’re up for an Oscar this year.

[@fredericktheiner1284]

If not, you should be!

[@CED99]

He should be

[@CED99]

@@KLRJUNE did the video not say manufacturers voluntarily withdrew them to *prevent* them from being made illegal. I seem to remember that or am I mistaken?

[@ronaldm4392]

@@KLRJUNE " In January 1988, sales of new three-wheel all-terrain vehicles (ATVs) were banned in the United States because of the high incidence of injury associated with their use, especially by children" according to Pubmed.org. I had to look it up, I wasn't sure.

[@AndreAngelantoni]

@@ronaldm4392 it appears that it was a consent decree...very similar to a ban in its result. And apparently it has lapsed but the manufacturers are still abiding by it. I would say the wording is close enough to correct for a title. www.carscoops.com/2021/01/the-story-of-how-and-why-three-wheel-atvs-were-banned/

[@inbrrr]

There's a problem with definitions / nuance here, I think. E-bikes, as in, pedal-assist bikes max at 25 or 30kph (which would greatly, safely decongest urban areas) vs what we should call Electric Motorcycles - yours goes as fast as 60kph on flats.

[@Cobalt985]

Yes, this guy seems to be riding the speed equivalent of a small moped without gearing up for it. I'd say this is on him and not the e-bike that seems to be going much over the legal limit.

[@NoGlockTrucker]

@@Cobalt985 did he say it does 60 on the flats. It’s been quite a while since I’ve been to Vancouver, but I seems to remember there were these things called hills.

[@noneofyourbusiness4294]

@@Cobalt985 yup. The vast majority of ebikes are the ones going 25kph. Dude's trying to make a point about ebikes while using an example that doesn't even make up 10% of ebikes on the streets.

[@kjd9634]

In the UK all ebikes are restricted and you'd struggle to get to to 30 mph on one.

[@jessepatterson8897]

meanwhile in the real world, non powered vehicles do this regularly on hills and bridges. These are the people that stop you from being in traffic 24/7, so you should be nicer to them.

[@psiefer]

Humans: quick to innovate, slow to learn.

[@MrPotatochips4]

Yeah, that's our reputation in the Galaxy.

[@EthanSeville]

The bikes are not the problem it's the people

[@JS-ny8sn]

@@EthanSeville Yep, just like guns.

[@railrcour]

I think this qoute fits quiet perfectly for this topic: "Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should."

[@Porsche996driver]

Nice lol.

[@SuperSpruce]

As someone who loves feeling the speed travelling around the city via pedal bike and e-bike, I've recently realized that I really want to own and drive a motorcycle. It seems so fun. And the reason why it's "dangerous" for both cyclists and motorcyclists to commute are the big metal cages (cars), which are an order of magnitude or two heavier and usually don't provide much engagement with the surroundings.

[@EatonSomeMore]

FYI 55% of motorcycle accidents are single-vehicle accidents meaning technically we are more dangerous than those cagers. But that is empowering because we can make decisions that can lessen the likelihood of a crash. We can be responsible. Know our limits and ride within that ability.

[@MarcXW]

You make very valid points. The other thing I've noticed as someone who has cycled to commute my entire life, is that many people buying e-bikes have actually never really cycled before. As a child, I had my fair share of accidents and falls, and that has taught me a thing or two about what to avoid and what to expect from pedestrians, cars,... and so this acquired knowledge will be used to avoid unnecessary risks. A lot of these beginners on e-bikes have had no experience of misfortunes and are therefore completely oblivious to the risks they're taking. That being said, regarding all cycling (with the purpose of commuting), I think it must be said that most of these problems can be solved or mitigated through better infrastructure AND mandatory education for children on the behavior to adopt when cycling and on the things to which they should pay attention.

[@cosmoray9750]

Agree. Education is the key to mitigate for a safer ride. However majority of cyclist don't care about the rules of the road. They cut people and cars off, they ride or rather fly on the sidewalks, most of them expect the cars to give them the right of way simply because they are on a bike. I've seen them riding side by side just so they can have a conversation...😄and holding up the traffic. The truth is most cyclist don't take the time to know the rules of the road...it is the same as driving a car. But because it doesn't suit them, they choose to ignore it and as a result the cyclist end up being injured.

[@markgerloff7928]

Couldn't have been said better. People need to learn the hard way unfortunately. I never think that I have the right away. I always keep the mind set that cars don't see me. And I wait for the nod of validation 😂 Follow those rules and you'll be cherry

[@remembertotakeshowerspleas355]

@@cosmoray9750 Cyclists are statistically far less likely to cause accidents than cars or motorcyclists tho. For every shit cyclist there are dozens if not hundreds of shit motorists.

[@marksierra3522]

Well... in the words of idk who..., "they 'gon learn today.". Most accident's aren't fatal or life changing... they'll be alright. A bruised ego and a broken arm.

[@Soapia99th]

I’m just saying, if you didn’t barrel down a monster of a hill and crashed either into a tree or went flying from hitting a curb then what are you doing in life

[@vgullotta]

More abrasive than an Internet forum slayed me XD

[@Skyerzen]

same here LOL

[@CaptainJacksIsland]

All I can think about is how tame forums are nowadays compared to 2004. Rated PG by comparisson.

[@Elukka]

In Finland, where I live, e-bike electric assist is limited to 25 kph (15.5 mph). Traffic design is also less car-centric and bicycle infrastructure.. exists. It's not great everywhere, but it's a thing. So this is one way to go. They are not motorcycle equivalents, they're what it says on the tin, electric-assisted bicycles, which go at bicycle speeds on bike paths and lanes. If you wanna go faster, electrically or otherwise, it's gonna be a motorcycle with all the associated licensing and standards.

[@irreverend_]

It's technically the same case in the UK, it's illegal to use an E-bike which goes over 15.5mph under its own power without a motorcycle license. However, the problems with that are that if you make one which goes faster, you have to register it as a motorcycle and get a numberplate etc etc, which is easier said than done. As it is, my E-bike does about 22mph and I have a license, but I'm not going through the hassle of registering it given how low the speed is

[@henriquerauen]

This, when he said he went at 60 in his bike I was shocked, no ebike here can reach those speeds, that's an electric motorcycle masquareding as an ebike.

[@coreykirby1632]

@@henriquerauen yea In the USA the legal speed for a ebike is 28 mph if it’s a class 3 750 watt anything higher then that is not considered a E-bike and needs to get registered as a moped

[@coreykirby1632]

@@henriquerauen but since the USA is so car dependent verses Europe people can get away with more powerful E bikes than 750 Watts so here’s the ultimatum E bikes in the United States can go faster compared to Europe. However, the USA has shit bike infrastructure, which makes it a lot more dangerous compared to Europe, where the bike infrastructure is amazing.

[@henriquerauen]

@@coreykirby1632 that's insane, waaay too fast to be safe in a bike. In those circumstances I'd agree that a motorcycle would be safer. Ebikes that can go this fast are basically motorcycles with shitty brakes, worst grip, shitty speed control (accelerator) etc. It's a shitty motorcycle disguised as a bike.

[@kevinwhited984]

Thanks for the video. I'm a bike/ped planner, for a municipality in the US, and I found it very enlightening. The concepts you point out will help me to do my job better as we plan for more ebikes on the road, trails and sidepaths.

[@TD2T]

with how slow progress looks like do you even get paid, like, at all

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

The day needs to arrive where ALL planning- developments, commercial sections, roads ALL need to include BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE... when that day arrives it will be a massive positive for the US & humanity in general... thank you for your service & you have my full support in that work!

[@Enakaji]

Funny thing is, in germany the faster ebikes actually require you to have a license by law. If the pedal assist allows you to reach speeds of over 25 kilometers per hour you need atleast a 50 CC License to ride them and they need to have a scooter licenseplate and insurance. If the eBike is faster then 45 Kilometers per hour its classified as a motorcycle and requires you to have a motorcycle license.

[@Exgrmbl]

Quite thankful for that actually, enough dangerous incompetents around already on 25kmh limited ones.

[@aviduke]

This is the same/similar to the UK and I think it's fair enough.

[@pujabelgian]

@@Exgrmbl 25kph or 50kph.. speed, incompetence and stupidity. The human condition excels in two of them.. and it ain't speed. 😅

[@maukschilol]

yeah but ebikes over 25 seem inpractical. drivers see you as a bycicle and expect you to get off the street and on the bikelane. i personally prefer my limited bike for fun and commuting :)

[@Monsterflosse]

@@Exgrmbl exactly what I thought of as really dangourous, too. Just got rammed by one and quite many close hits of those as I stopped my old school bike (without electricity) at a stop sign. At a stop sign. When traffic was coming. ...

[@tetraultp]

I think the most important point was the speed without experience. To get to 30kph with an "acoustic" bike means you'll have spent quite a while on it and will have the control and balance to go with it. Any slug can pick up an unlocked ebike and whizz by at 45kph. That being said, most of the problem faced are social and infrastructure and are equally problematic for pedal bikes and ebikes, but the pedal bike is more forgiving because you'll likely be travelling slower.

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

Bikes of all kinds are supposed to follow the same road rules as cars, yet most riders don't. That's the problem. You don't even have to know how a stop sign works. Why does flying a drone require a license but not hurling yourself into traffic?

[@thebackwash]

@@ILoveTinfoilHats I agree with you here. I used to commute on my old, creaky road bike, and aside from crossing red lights and rolling stop signs when there was no one coming, I was always a conservative rider. I'm a conservative driver, and a conservative motorcycle rider, too, and it's served me well. Gotta remember that as a cyclist, YOU are ultimately responsible for your safety, and not the other drivers on the road. Keep alert, keep your distance, and don't assume the other guy is going to do what you expect him to.

[@MarcelaElviraTimis]

Don't your e-bikes have speed limitators at 20kph for pedalling assist by law? Don't you have to get a licence to drive anything that can go faster than that without any effort from you?

[@ILoveTinfoilHats]

@@MarcelaElviraTimis it's usually about double that. And those speed limiters are a joke. Companies write "do not remove this plug or the speed limit function will be disabled" because they know nobody is following that.

[@MarcelaElviraTimis]

@@ILoveTinfoilHats there are places where you get fined heavily for that and if you don't have a driver's licence the consequences are... bigger

[@mitjellk2186]

In the Netherlands, with a decent bicycle infrastructure/culture, most of these issues do not apply. Except for elderly who would otherwise not be able to cycle anymore - they've been falling and dying ever since the introduction of electric bikes at alarming rates.

[@scb2scb2]

80 people died in 2021 on ebikes in the netherlands lets assume 60 (high) are elderly would not call that alarming since we can't judge how many elderly are in better shape to begin with as a result of staying mobile.

[@biggibbs4678]

Ebikes have a severe speed limitation in the entire EU

[@scb2scb2]

@@biggibbs4678 Yeah still the number of deaths i outlines are true i looked them up.The slight increase is mostly do to way more older people biking longer as a result of ebikes who have een riding yhem for a decade only last 3 or 4 years younger people moved to them in mass. Of the nearly 1M bikes sold last year more than 50% where evbikes.

[@tomwright9904]

Speed might apply...

[@telcobilly]

Very true, my retired sister just injured herself dismounting her e-bike. I've been riding motorcycles for almost 50 years, never an injury worse than an exhaust burn.. not saying I'm invincible, but there's something to this story..

[@nightxiv9329]

Around the time this video came out I was actually looking for an electric bike cause my commute to work was too much in Arizona heat for a traditional pedal bike. After seeing the price tags (3-6k) and licensing if you wanna go over 35mph, I decided to just buy a motorcycle. I’m now a daily motorcyclist and I love every day

[@indenturedLemon]

reminded me of southeast asia, where mopeds are cheaper than ebikes or about the same price. it's faster, highway capable (to some extent) and more range than ebikes.

[@andydarling8951]

For real!!! I’ve been deciding between electric scooters, e bikes, electric motorcycles etc. All the standup scooters that can keep up with traffic are the same price as a cheap Venom E-Vader, which can keep up with traffic in my area. A $350 upgrade even more so. Of course my area doesn’t have good bicycle infrastructure either

[@astrahcat1212]

Chinese moped can be bought cheap for under 1k, works great for commuting and 80mpg.

[@saul94923]

Az bro here too! I actually went for a 2.5k e bike and it's working pretty great so far. Mostly was looking to avoid gas and insurance fees and its pretty much paid half of itself off in what I've saved on that alone. One day when I have more time/money I'll go for a moto.

[@heyoou]

@@indenturedLemon yes but more dangerous. for this guy on the video to say ebikes are more dangerous than a motorcycle is telling a lie.

[@FortNine]

To answer a common question: yes, the e-bike in this video pedal assists up to 32km/h. It's possible to do that speed, even uphill, with minimal effort. Hitting 60.5km/h was not the result of illegal modifications or Herculean leg strength. Just downhill. ~RF9

[@estifan3638]

In Ryan's defense not all e-bikes are limited t 32km/hr. My MTB is but my wife's commuter is not. She boasts of hitting 45km/hr and sometimes nearly 50km/hr ON THE FLAT.

[@den-iq1cv]

@Strawberry Kiys 60km/h in bicycle more dangerous simply on stoping capabilities. put wider tyre and hydrolic brakes on

[@kings8217]

@Strawberry Kiys did you not see the video? Motorcyclists have full gear such as armour jacket, gloves, kevlar/leather pants, boots, helmet and airbag vest. cyclists dont have that luxury and are more in danger if hit by a car.

[@rey_nemaattori]

If you were going downhill when hitting the 60, that completely negates the electric part, I can do 60kph on an unpowered bike as well going down hill. This video makes no sense, as we're now comparing motorcylces to ordinary bikes.

[@Vanadium]

@@den-iq1cv eh, 95kmh was max speed I ever had on a bicycle and I had to pedal to archive that on a fire road down. Hydraulic brakes are common on e bike's here. Some are still no disc brake but hydraulic. 40 kph with my MTB on asphalt, I can stop in 5meters. Tires are 29x2.6" upfront and 29x2.45" on the back. Tires are expensive in the MTB realm, 60€ each. Brakes are as usually hydraulic, 203mm rotors front and back. Sinter metal pads. Brakes are the most expensive ones 450€ each. Would be possible even with the cheaper 75€ brake's.

[@ethanreimund2549]

Can we just appreciate how consistently good these videos are?

[@TheJuankpunk]

We all do it, for a long time now

[@michaelhiggins2823]

yes sirrrr

[@happyundertaker6255]

And yes!

[@dznnf7]

75% of the comment are gushing over how they deserve an Academy Award. It's boring now.

[@ethanreimund2549]

Well I mean he does no?

[@NashBen]

In Germany, E-Bikes are limited to support you up to 25kph/15,5mph, beyond that it's muscle power if you want to go faster. That really helps in keeping the accident numbers down. There are practically no high speed accidents, just typical "normal low speed" bike accidents. [Edit: Speed]

[@damiannn23]

Yeah but this makes e-bikes useful only in mountains or for people with under average fitness level

[@NashBen]

@@damiannn23 I dont see the problem tbh. For normal people there's a normal bike that is so much more affordable. And moving a bike by your own builds your muscles and is healthy.

[@ster2600]

@@damiannn23 that's the point of e bikes. If you want a motorised vehicle, ride an e motorbike

[@baerlauchstal]

@@damiannn23 Or, you know, experienced cyclists who'll be 60 next birthday and could use a hand over those hills. We exist too.

[@vojtal182]

On a hilly terrain it makes the difference between arriving to work sweaty or not.

[@get2zero]

I do both and so for my e-bike I wear a speed rated bike helmet that also has flashing red and white lights, my e-bike has tail and brake lights, an impressive headlight, and I added turn signals, mirrors, and a very loud horn. So as a friend said, it’s effectively a small motorcycle which is exactly the minimum I need riding in crazy suburban US.

[@hunterlucas2420]

“...Several stages of training... often spanning 2 years...” Me who got a license from 2 days of parking lot exercises... 😳

[@seanconklin5707]

Same

[@frankkrol6555]

In 1983 I rode a figure 8 without touching my foot down. A 15 question quiz later I had my endorsement.

[@crabbycrouton4925]

Same weekend license here

[@Luka-cu8ep]

Ah you must live in the us

[@JustinBieber4evah]

Taught myself to ride, went to the DMV for license, was told to ride around the block while the instructor filled out my information.😁

[@pubbiehive]

In the EU, e-bikes are limited to 25 km/h for this reason.

[@victorrenevaldiviasoto9728]

Regulation is not a solution for imbecility, ebike riders should be careful, not limited

[@sybrandwoudstra9236]

They are not in the United States?! 25 kph and dedicated bicycle infrastructure is what makes bicycles safer than scooters here in the Netherlands. (I ride both). Also, bicycle helmets are fairly flimsy (although will help), but still do not make cycling on 80 kph roads safe.

[@princeg973]

@@sybrandwoudstra9236 Bicycle helmets are very important to use, especially if ur riding fast. But I've been to the Netherlands as a cyclist, and everyone watched us like aliens, just because we rode with helmets on :D

[@sybrandwoudstra9236]

@@princeg973 If there are no bicycle lanes, you should (not need to by law) put on a helmet, although I doubt it will save you from a car which is traveling at 80 kph (50 mph).

[@princeg973]

@@sybrandwoudstra9236 I don't know why a car should hit me at 80 kmph, but I agree there woudn't be a big advantage using a helmet. But riding hills and mountains, I can easily hit 65+kmph on my road bike, and if I get a puncture or anything similar, I'd prefer that my helmet would get rasped away by the tarmac rather than my skull. And I have already been in situations, where a helmet made a diffrence. I grew up using a helmet, and I don't see a reason why not to use one. It isn't unconvenient for me. But in the Netherlands the bike lanes are great and most people ride with the so called Holland-bikes. So people don't exceed speeds over 25 kmh. Nevertheless I still would be using a helmet.

[@mikemartin6748]

The biggest safety feature of my ebike is that I can ride it on bike paths

[@tekugun8918]

Yes and no in big or med size city cops will pretty much detain you for riding a Ebike on public paths hell friend got harassed for ridding his electric skateboard on a path

[@holl0r]

Exactly. Most of my commute is on separated bike paths. Much safer than a bike on the road.

[@Yophillips3272]

That's what I would want it for, but honestly I would rather have one that can only go like 10mph not 50mph lol Just something to help me get up hills.

[@phil4986]

Staying away from cars as much as possible is a true bicycle survival skill. Car drivers simply don't see or care for bicyclists.

[@garypotter5569]

@@phil4986 Bingo! Circle gets the square!

[@C01dEyes]

I got a friend who does Postmates deliveries on his e-bike every now and then. when he's riding through the city doing his deliveries he's wearing the same helmet that he would wear if he was doing downhill mountain biking. People look at him weird because it looks like he's just on a bike but when he takes off and he's keeping up with traffic if not blowing past them that crazy speeds they get it.

[@diegoramdhani2799]

In the Netherlands your ebike is allowed to go 25kmph otherwise you have to get a special moped license plate

[@junkandcrapamen]

They understand cycling.

[@unbelieveableJupP]

Jep! Here in Germany too. 60 mph on a cycle with no gear at all? Damn! And you guys are complaining about no speed limits on the Autobahn? I mean i know whats more dangerous! :D Greetings to the Dutch and to everybody who reads this!

[@acopernic]

Same here in Switzerland... Look at bikes in general. Most of them don't have safety equipment (light, reflectors, mirrors).

[@mcba]

The UK is much the same, except higher power bikes aren't really recognised by law at all, and would technically just be classed as motorbikes. I'm a cyclist and a motorcyclist and I'm not convinced this 'X is more dangerous than Y' type coverage is particularly helpful. So what? The fact is we should push for better infrastructure for all, and it benefits all of us if people with short commutes are incentivised to ride bicycles and ebikes. Likewise, a motorcycle is better for longer distances, but still takes up a lot less space than a car.

[@barnastil591]

Idiotic European regulations.

[@seattlegrrlie]

I've been a cyclist in Seattle since 1999. When I talk about motorcycles, people immediately worry about my safety. Yesterday, I did 30mph downhill on a narrow shoulder in basically my underwear. And y'all think motorcycles are unsafe?

[@zer08927]

In San Diego, motorists are RUTHLESS and don't give a shit about cyclists. I had an electric scooter that looked like a vespa but only went 30mph that was way more dangerous than my two motorcycles. I had to add a flashing bike light so motorists I've I didn't go that fast (even though I used almost all bike lanes). Be safe out there 🤙

[@juststeve5542]

@@zer08927 in the UK the 50cc scooter/moped is often the first step for a teenager (you can ride one at 16, a whole year before you can look at cars or bigger bikes). You need some basic training before you're allowed on the road, but then off you go. I own 3 motorcycles (250, 600 and 1000), and you couldn't pay me to ride a 50cc these days, there's just not enough power to keep up with traffic, and if you can't sit in the middle of your lane and own your space, you're going to get pushed to the curb, forgotten and ignored until someone squashes you. Hell I have people try to bully and tail gate me when I'm in traffic on my 1000cc FFS... Like they could keep anywhere near me on an open road - Did I mention the 1000cc has carbs and does pretty impressive kill switch back fires? Does great for tailgaters if I can get enough roll to get some fuel into the pipes! lol!

[@stigthe5531]

@@zer08927 it works the same where I live (EU). You have to go 50/90 km/h otherwise everyone will try to overtake you no matter what. 600ccm bike is safer than 50ccm

[@mrastleysghost]

@@juststeve5542 Motorcycle safety courses in the US are often taught on 1000cc+ harleys and shit... And I could go get my motorcycle license with no MSF course, pass the test, and go buy a ninja H2 with no restrictions

[@flyinghigh2000]

@@juststeve5542 had a try on a 50cc when I studied in Europe. I swear it's even worse than Honda C50 my grandad had. Screams when trying to carry me up a hill.

[@davidmurphy9151]

I commuted on a MC for several - years. The answer is dedicated bike lanes that do not mix with traffic at all.

[@luchadorito]

You mean parking place for Ford Transits and Porsche Taycans? We already have that where I live

[@yoshy2628]

@@luchadorito Then prepare yourself with some windshield stickers and stick them when you get them on your bike lane. Maybe they will learn something from your message, or maybe not, but at least you did tried to change that.

[@user-wq6de6jb2i]

"Dedicated bike lanes" is a misnomer. Those are the most basic, unprotected form of bike lanes. What you're probably thinking of is called a cycletrack. Check out NACTO! nacto.org/publication/urban-bikeway-design-guide/

[@motoclonkdribblehead5423]

Yes another waste of taxpayers money for an entitled minority

[@user-wq6de6jb2i]

@@motoclonkdribblehead5423 Why do you hate keeping people safe, healthy, and alive? That ought to be what taxes are for! Want to talk about entitlement? Like when unhealthy, angry people exert the smallest force in their calf muscle to rocket 7000lbs of metal toward human beings, all while killing the planet? You mean that sort of entitlement? get outta here

[@oldb-1kenobi]

While stationed in Germany in the early 2000s, Mannheim was the best bicycle riding experience I have ever had. They have dedicated bike lanes and conscientious motorists. Don't know what it's like now but back then it was an enjoyable experience...Bamberg on the other hand, you take your life in your own hands!

[@julian281198]

It's better to now. A lot of work is put into bike infrastructure in germany

[@Granyonky]

The ending speech is so adequate.

[@JasonWD]

Except one thing... filtering. Here in North America we are forced to act like cars. I feel plain stupid sitting there waiting to be crushed in a concertina accident when I moto to work. A bicycle can just wiz past on the bike lane.

[@Granyonky]

@@JasonWD As long as it's done responsibly I agree about that

[@waningcrescent4777]

His filming style and production value are second to none.

[@TheRivalryDrifting]

It's hard to remember this is essentially marketing for fortnine.ca probably because quality videos and quality recommendations come first and there are barely even any advertisement for the site and frankly it probably worked on me because whenever I get a bike im probably going to order gear off of fortnine.ca

[@TheHeroicNinja]

Its a whole ass team

[@myfaveyoutube]

correct, if there weren't none he would be second to third, fourth, etc,

[@konrad6157]

I don’t know who None is but his videos must be amazing

[@venglomarci]

What do you mean his filming style ia second to none?

[@theoracleprodigy]

I rode an ebike to work a few months. It was so much more scary than a motorcycle. I had so many close calls almost every day but I'd arrive at work happy.

[@GashimahironChl]

Ah, that's probably a side effect of all that adrenaline of nearly dying countless times in your commute.

[@theoracleprodigy]

@@GashimahironChl 😂😂 might be.

[@juzzlookin]

Yeah me too, I then bought a motor bike, but thought I might return to the ebike for a bit in the summer months. Defo felt scared on the roads on an ebike. Just use it for recreational trips now.

[@daape7976]

@@juzzlookin lol the plus is I can where I want basically

[@ThefamousMrcroissant]

@@GashimahironChl That "get to live for another day"-feel really gets you through the work week

[@hananas2]

Here in Belgium (and even more so in the Netherlands) it's a very different story. The first major difference is that E-assist on bikes is limited by law to 25 km/h, not 32 like in North America. The second part is infrastructure and mindset. Much more separated bike lanes, and drivers are more used to looking for bikes. In the 5-10.000 km I do every year by bike (non-E but I ride on the faster side) I've only been hit once in the past 5 or so years. We do have 45 km/h E-bikes called speed pedelecs, but those require a drivers license (equivalent to moped, but car is also good) and registration. They are also a bit more regulated when it comes to equipment.

[@KekusMagnus]

It's remarkably easy to take a regular ebike and modify it into an s-pedelec without anyone noticing. I've been riding mine on bike paths in Canada for a few months and unless I am aggressively speeding, no one can tell the difference (our ebike speed limit is 32km/h too which is quite fast). The ability to hit 50km/h is nice when you want it, but obviously you have to be mindful of the danger

[@harrysarso]

@@KekusMagnus and just like going 80 on your motorcycle in a 50 zone you are annoying nearby traffic partakers

[@smileychess]

@@harrysarso - Not when there's no traffic on the road. I only go fast when on a dead road and no one's around.

[@kaizasoze3954]

sorry but european laws are not good enough to satisfy the obese americans that want 9.5 litter 20 cilinder engines and 60km per hour turbocharged wheel chairs... look at this guy advicing people to get motorcycles instead!! this sort of stuff makes me glad I was born in europe

[@MrAdamNTProtester]

you might want to look at a map regrading the difference in speed limit Belgium Vs USA bcuz here people take their regular pedal bikes on 100 mile trips all the time & eBikes further... I went to Gettysburg & back from DC for the July 4th week in 2022 & bcuz of the route I took it was like more than 180 miles round trip plus 14 miles each day there & back from the Michaud Forest where I was camping during the week on the Ga- Maine Nat'l Park Appalachian Trail... I went on my pedal only MtB & the return trip I did not stop to camp but went straight thru from Gettysburg to DC... so that round trip is further than the distance across all of Belgium & that was only DC-Md- just across the Pa border... there are people who travel 3- 4 states for their trips & they use the old rail lines that are now dedicated bike paths... so even going 40-50MPH works for them on those trips... now I personally believe that if you want to go over 35 MPH on a bike then you need a motorcycle of motorcycle type scooter/moped... but there is a very good reason in Europe they have a lower top speed- the concentration of traffic, lack of "modern" infrastructure simply due to age difference & space limitations etc etc make the USA standard equivalent to the lower top speed of europe... its only 500 miles from Germany to France... in the USA you travel over 3 600 miles from San Diego to the Lighthouse in Maine... so a lot of that distance is on very low traffic roads & abandoned rail lines turned into dedicated Bike Trails

[@enjay517]

60.5 kph seems really fast for an ebike. In California, Class 3 ebikes are required to cut off assist at 28mph (~45 kph). Above that you enter the category of 'motor driven cycle' that requires a Class M2 license and is forbidden on bicycle paths. EDIT it looks like the bike in your video is a Norco Scene VLT which tops out at 25kph- have you done something naughty to your controller? ;)

[@ovamper4451]

Of course they take fast ebike, and they say its sooo dangerous, image if i said going 200kph on motorcycle is dangerous, of course it is. I mean not a lot of people drive 65kph on ebike, mine goes max at 45

[@John-mr7fu]

Add in some downhill and I can see it happening on a vanilla e-bike. I usually hit ~41kph going downhill on a peddle bike/my e-bike without assist.

[@hamsterdam7589]

In Japan it’s like 24 kph. It’s way too slow. Also you could hit 60 kph on a long straight downhill with tailwind pretty easily

[@danepher]

@@hamsterdam7589 It's not too slow. It's a bike. you want to travel faster, get equipment like a motorcyclist insurance and such

[@VictorPedrosaCeramics]

In the UK and Europe, the maximum is 25 km/h. At that speed, I don't think an ebike would be more dangerous than a motorcycle

[@bridawg24]

Been riding bikes and ebikes for years. I avoid high traffic areas and hardly ever travel on the side of a busy road. I cut through industrial areas, neighborhoods, parking lots, trails.

[@rlanesports]

Same here. I just bought a ebike in August (300 miles so far ) and I usually only ride on the busy streets if they have a dedicate bike lane or a really wide 2 lane road. Besides that its more fun exploring side streets you usually avoid when driving.

[@allwheeldrive]

Truly important to stay AWAY from danger. Specially until we see changes in our roadways and rules.

[@populal]

@@rlanesports QA

[@rlanesports]

@@populal what's up

[@dylanc9174]

@Socialish And fuck bike helmets. They don't even protect us when we factor in human stupidity.

[@lovi1003]

As a motorcycle instructor finally i can show this video to people when they ask me what is more safe

[@martinlong8739]

3:02 A car then a pedal cycle then a motorcycle. Car 57x safer than a motorcycle. Pedal cycle 4 x safer than a motorcycle. I'm not sure they were the stats you were after?

[@Francois_Dupont]

@@martinlong8739 Motorcycle have bright lights, turn signals and CAN RIDE ON THE ROAD. a bicycle is doomed to get smashed because you cannot ride in the middle of the street and "take your place". you are BY LAW required to be on the side of the road. no more than a dog.

[@urbanfireblade]

As long as ur in the US because none of this is relevant to Uk electric bikes which are limited to 15.5mph top speed. The top speed this guy achieved on an electric bike is 40mph. I ride motorbikes as well, 25yrs now with full licence, and on our uk roads, riding a motorbike nowadays is far more dangerous.

[@martinlong8739]

@@Francois_Dupont Hello Francois, I agree with all you have put except the stats provided at 3:02 show you are 4 x more likely to be killed on a motorcycle than a pedal cycle. And 57 x more likely to die on a motorcycle than in a car. I own a motorcycle, car and an ebike but those stats are quite sobering.

[@STho205]

A gigantic chunk of motorcycle injury and death stats is just the rider. Drunk, stoned, incompetent, racing, sqidding, street fighting, stunting, children on liter bikes, pillions when the rider himself is barely competent or sober, .... That may or may not be a majority, but it is a pretty solid slice of the gravel eating pie.

[@OakCliffK9]

I was in an e-bike crash that could have killed me. I still have a scar from the deep puncture that barely missed my femoral artery.

[@logitech4873]

In many countries, e-bikes are only allowed to assist you up to ~22 km/h. After that, it's on you to go faster. This is no doubt effective, but probably sucks for those who can safely go faster (people in rural areas etc)

[@LMvdB02]

In the Netherlands they can go up to 25 and up to 45 with a license plate and helmet.

[@yanDeriction]

idk if people in rural areas can "safely" go faster so much as they are taking on more risk due to poorer infrastructure, but there's so little traffic so the danger doesnt feel real until a car flies out of a blind crest and turns you into pudding. then your leftovers are removed and it feels safe to the next cyclist.

[@logitech4873]

@@yanDeriction I'm talking about sidewalks though, not roads. Where I live, sidewalks are for bikes and people - and they're usually very empty. So I don't care about going at 22km/h when i have a big stretch of empty in front of me.

[@yanDeriction]

​@@logitech4873 I wish it were legal for me to bike on the sidewalk

[@ffwast]

BECOME UNGOVERNABLE RIDE BIKES FAST

[@Orlandofurioso95]

"E-bikes are more dangerous than Motorcycles" Nah, what the hell, no way "My E-bike goes at 60kph" Well that explains it. It's not an electrically assisted bicycle, it's an electric motorcycle

[@painexotic3757]

on top of that, if you look at the people in those clips, they're clearly not the brightest people. Like who tf darts in traffic without watching where you're going or cross a street on a RED LIGHT! I've been biking for years and have never done that.

[@millimeter3219]

Or he has a commute like mine where there are a few hills in the way. My E-Bike is compliant with EU regulation but I'm still hitting peak speeds 40kph on a lazy day. 60 is a bit more effort but possible. The trick to survival is to do this on the parts of your route where there is no one around and the visibility is good enough to make sure that there also won't be anyone around until you slow down again.

[@sleepyearth]

@@painexotic3757 You will be surprised. Motorcyclists does this it lane splitting often and at high speed. We often have to worry for their lives more than the cyclist themselves.

[@labadaba5088]

Ikr, there’s a point where a difference in speed becomes a difference in kind

[@keenlai7317]

@@painexotic3757 fixie riders

[@joemcdonough2765]

The video title should be, "Why Stupid People are More Dangerous than Others."

[@NomadFM]

Stupid cyclists of course

[@hoompaloompaa]

🤣🤣

[@bartoszwelsberg4293]

@@NomadFM And stupid BMW cars drivers of course

[@snigwithasword1284]

Yes but we are all stupid sometimes, often without even knowing it. To err is to human. Your attitude reeks of a superiority complex.

[@NomadFM]

@@zUJ7EjVDa stupid cyclist makes an excuse about infants.

[@DerrickJolicoeur]

Here's why I want an E-bike. • I want access to bicycle infrastructure, the further I can be from cars, the better • I don't think I have the means to store a motorcycle. • Insurance is expensive! Ideally I'd like to rid myself of car ownership & vehicle insurance as a whole. • I haven't investigated how practical a motorcycle could be for shopping. (I want an Electric Bakfiets specifically) We definitely need to do something with respect to the accountability and training of high-speed cyclists.

[@blaster1185]

In somewhere like the Netherlands where you have proper bicycle paths separated from traffic I imagine that e-bikes are safer due to not being involved with cars at all.

[@robbion203]

You would think that, but a lot of food delivery companies use ebikes, and with them mixing with normal bikes it can get pretty hairy, i work a lot in amsterdam, and those shits blast across traffic junctions and red lights like they do not care abuut life, ad to the fact that in the eyes of the law cyclist are always the victim in a accident, no driving in a big city with lot af mixed traffic is not a fun thing here

[@dylanc9174]

@@robbion203 They are probably underpaid if they need to risk their lives and others for the delivery. The Dutch should just makes them around the same speed as a regular bike, maybe a bit faster than average use.

[@nephilymbass1]

I have bike lanes in my neighborhood and it doesn’t help much. People still pull out in front of you all the time. You see when you’re riding in a bike lane you still have to cross the intersections, and that’s where most of the danger is.

[@deadstump4970]

I wonder how the Netherlands will deal with E-Bikes when they start being even more mainstream. I mean if they just go about the same speed as everyone else, I don't see that causing any headaches, but if you get some of those faster ones or the souped up ones ripping on the bike paths I can see some friction as they are getting closer and closer to a motorcycle.

[@robbion203]

I would not know yet, there are e-bikes classed as scooters, so they have a max legal speed of 45km, and the delivery bikes usely do not go past 25km-ish, but then again amsterdam put in a legislation a couple of years ago that scooters with a max of 25 and 45 km have to drive on the road instead of the bikepaths. Right now amsterdam is rebuilding a lot of intersections to give more room to the bikepaths, just last week they resurficed one near central station, they even put a new bridge in.

[@adamlytle2615]

The one exception I would take to this assessment - and it is a very context dependent one at that - is that some cities have good bicycle infrastructure separated from cars. Mixed use trails through parks or on former rail corridors. If you're able to do a significant portion of your commute on that kind of route, the e-bike becomes the much safer option. With the very important caveat that you keep your speed to the reasonable level of a normal bike, and just enjoy the benefit of assistance for getting started and going up hills. Whether we're taking about e-bikes or e-scooters or more novel mobility solutions like the One Wheel, there's no question that we're in an awkward transition phase and unfortunately it's going to take a lot more people getting hurt and killed before we sort out how best these vehicles can share the road with cars.

[@keesvdb]

Yes if the infrastructure is good ebikes are better but still have a large amount of inherent danger

[@richardsimms251]

To Adam Lytle : That is very well said. Thank you.

[@biggibbs4678]

Redditor bullshit

[@zackong2800]

I would like to argue that the biggest problem with e bikes is lack of accountability on accidents. Many countries make it mandatory for drivers and motorcyclist to be have at least 3rd party insurance for damages they cause with their vehicles when they get into an accident. Now we are talking about electric bicycles that can easily end a child's life. Why is there no mandatory insurance implemented?

[@thomasstock1985]

Very reasonable and objective statements, well said

[@MrFowl]

This deserves a mandatory national broadcast.

[@blackbarry]

lol...I agree

[@woj1woj1]

That's a brilliant idea

[@ModMax69]

yeah man!

[@xXN30NxGR33NXx]

International please. I want people in austria to see this too.

[@robertkacala]

In every country

[@FinalDriveGame]

I'd totally agree with your conclusion if the media didn't paint ebikes with the same brush as motorcycles, some old man with 6 DUIs on an ebike gets smoked because he doesn't follow rules and the media starts ringing the "motorcyclist dead, raise the insurance rates" bell.

[@willyd-adv]

As a RTW motorcycle rider and a professional Down Hill mountain biker I love Ebikes for what they can offer us competent riders BUT..... I have also working in a Ebike shop for the past 2 months in New Zealand (where there's no speed limits for Ebikes and you can use throttles) and 80% of the clients are over 65 years old. The crashes our customers have are very common and usually very bad. Yet when I say I ride motorcycles they also say that I should stop as they are dangerous. So this video sums up my life atm, well done shain FortNine

[@kaizze8777]

ride as if everyone on the road is trying to kill you. Edit: wow didn't expect this to blow up. I guess you all can relate XD

[@Visiorary]

They are!

[@alexandrebeaudry1038]

That a bit frightening to me. My father tough me to think for the others. And it helped me foresaw some potential accident (with calm and good reflexe)

[@__beer__]

That's what my Dad always said haha

[@smoothjazzfails]

Everyone is already trying to kill me.

[@forevercomputing]

@@Visiorary They're not. Don't be silly.

[@stevemozingo7209]

I ride with the thought that they don't see me and ride with that in mind.

[@brapamaldi]

yep, act as if its a zombie apocalypse and they are all trying to smash open your brain for a tasty treat and you stand more chance of surviving to ride another day

[@pedclarkemobile]

Instructions unclear: the cop said I'm gonna be charged with indecent exposure.

[@Dantick09]

I ride with the thought that car drivers are assholes until proven otherwise

[@josephhollifield660]

exactly! I am invisible. nobody knows I am there, it is up to me and me alone, IF I'M IN AN ACCIDENT IT IS MY OWN FAULT, I failed to foresee a dangerous situation and avoid it. Having that philosophy will serve you much better than blaming cars and their drivers. Doesn't really matter who's fault it was if you're splattered on the road.

[@maxpower7774]

I drive with the assumption that all riders are suicidal as this seems to be the manner in which they ride, and the burden is on me not to facilitate their intentions lest I'm the one who gets charged for it...

[@700clx2]

Sorry I'm so late to the party but I thought I'd share that in late 2021 here in the not so great State of NY, I learned that ebike regulations were so strict, that I ultimately bought a motorcycle instead. Federally, ebikes are considered non-motorized vehicles and require the minimal manufacturing safety requirements. Those requirements vary in many of the 50 states where they generally fall into three classes of e-bikes based on motor size and/or speed capability. Here in NY they are ALL legally allowed to be operated SOLELY on streets or roads with speed limits of less than 30mph. That leaves me breaking the law if I leave my driveway as my road's limit is 45mph. The even bigger nut kicker in NY is that the fastest Class 3 ebikes, or those capable of reaching speeds of no more than 28mph are only allowed in towns or cities with populations of more than 1,000,000! According to census data the most recent 2022 DMV Traffic Law means that outside of NYC, being Manhattan and the four outer boroughs of Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, and the Bronx, which is the most populous city in the United States, with a 2020 population of 8,804,190 distributed over 300.46 square miles (778.2 km2), you cannot explore the rest of the 54,556 square miles (141,300 km2) area of of the State. That's about 12 million other people unable to legally ride a Class 3 e-bike on the thousands of miles of 2 and 4 lane highly rural sparsely occupied roads with posted speed limits of up to 55mph other big but less popullated cities like Albany and Rochester, even though some $2,500 moped style bikes come with full motorcycle sized and DOT rated headlights, taillights, brakelights, turn signals, mirrors, tires and electronically locked speed limits! Some of them will give you the unlock codes if you promise to only speed on private property and stay off public roads entirely. I learned California was pretty much the same when I got in touch with a locally designed but Chinese built ebike company. It's even worse for the already booming electric scooter market!! I can confirm that New York doesn't care that your $5,000 8000kw to 12000kw ride has DOT approved lights, mirrors, brakes, tires, VIN tags or that the manufacturer has met all the Federal regulations to be issued a 17 digit VIN to become a fully registrable vehicle in the United States if it can reach speeds above 40mph or if it is only capable of reaching speeds less than 40mph which would then categorize it as a limited use motorcyly or moped. New York further forces the manufacturers to provide that Federal documentation and makes them jump through any other additional hoops they see fit regarding but not limited to physical inspections and any modifications they need necessary and expect before it will add them to the database of vehicles approved to be registered with the NYS DMV in any of the 3 classes for Electric vehicles under 40mph. I may be off on the speeds and exact language but I think the classes are below 15mph, and above 15 but below 25mph, and above 25mph but below 40mph are categorized as mopeds or limited use motorcycles. Anything capable of speeds above 40mph is simply a motorcycle that meets all Federal requirements, has a 17 digit VIN and not subject to the other hoop dancing or limitations. They also specifically state that you cannot modify, reconfigure or simply remove the pedals and increase the size of the original electric motor of any other company's pre-manufactured and publicly sold fully electric, or electric assist aka e-bike to circumvent the regulations and attempt to register it as a limited use or fully registrable motorcycle! It even took several phone calls and emails to the State DMV offices before they agreed to send me a copy of the paperwork necessary for manufacturers to apply for the privilege of being added to the database because I wasn't connected to any company or an "officially recognized" journalist. But I pressed on. Through a small scooter website I was able to get a phone number that got me an email address where I was successful in requesting a blank voided copy of their Certificate of Origin explaining that I wanted to take it to my local DMV to see if I could get it legal. They literally sent me a sketchy document with a blurred Manufacturers Name and a vehicle identification number that had only 6 alpha numeric characters followed by Zeroes filling the rest of the legally required 17 digits for a Federal VIN to be issued. Those 6 digits led me to true manufacturer's documents filed with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, who oversees all things vehicle related at the Federal level and makes all that available online as public information. From those documents I got the company owners name and address and phone number in China which I wasn't yet prepared to call. That info led to more digging and led to a fully Chinese text only site with links to low resolution scans of internal document showing inventory movement that after running through scanner software and Photoshop gave me the the address and phone number to a warehouse in Sacramento California for one of if not the biggest Chinese scooter manufacturer that sells direct online under several brand names and also wholesales to anyone who buys X amount of products to become licensed to market them re-branded under their own name in any combination of online or at physical locations. By this point I was physically exhausted and super pumped, but after an countless number of attempts from 7am to 6pm for a week with no answer or voicemail I finally gave up the fight. A few days later I got a call at 3am from an English speaking man who turned out to be the 25 year old representative for the company who handles inventory here in the States but who was in China that wanted to know why I had been calling him in the middle of the night! It turned out the number was an unpublished inside line ported directly to his whats app account in China! We spoke for several hours about the legal situation here, how he could help the company could corner the huge NY and ultimately other markets if they jumped through the hoops that would ultimately let them advertise their electric scooters as "guaranteed road legal NYS or your money back". He was enthusiastic but disappointed that I had the foresight and done the legwork, but not the financial means to become a dealer either solely online or brick and mortar. With the latest craze of free for all "ride-outs" of any and all type, size and displacement of 2, 3, and 4 wheel vehicles taking over the streets of NYC and other metropolitan cities across the country, the NYPD is so under staffed and with ill-equipped vehicles to round them up that they've pretty much abandoned stopping electric scooters because of the literal thousands of legal and illegal Grub-Hub and other local delivery scooters. The inside scoop is that if they can't hear your wide open exhaust they won't bother you unless you're really out of line or showing no respect for traffic lights and signs in their presence. I learned all of this over hundreds of hours over 2 months on the phone and digging online that I thought would ultimately get me all the information available before I spent several thousand dollars on a vehicle that could wind up in impound or potentially lost through seizure if I couldn't afford legal assistance to recover from some small town whose judge decided to make an example of a 57 year old disabled guy trying to lose some weight on a pedal assist ebike or enjoy a slow moving scooter that doesn't require plates or inspection but must be approved by the State for public road use. When I asked how they justified allowing the fastest electric bikes in the most congested city in the nation and ban them in the rest of the state i got a bunch of huffing an puffing about supposed safety concerns and no-fault insurance liabilities the state might have to eat for victims and blah blah blah so until the laws change I'll be on my treadmill! I'm nor ready to hit country roads the old fashioned way leaving me more likely to get hurt unable to avoid the real threat of charging bear, deer, racoon and loose dogs or being showered by the wonderful aroma offered by a frightened skunk. I went as far as offering that if the company wanted to sponsor me and cover any legal issues, I would consider riding any of their 40mph+ scooters across the country and do promotional stops at all their dealers but I haven't heard back or followed after I bought the 2022 CFMOTO 700 CL-X Heritage that I've put over 6,000 miles on since October 14, 2022!! It later became motorcycle.com's Best Lightweight/Entry-Level Motorcycle Of 2022 which was very cool but a bit unfair. While it does fit the lightweight category at 193 kg or 432lb wet, I really don't think that 693cc motor putting out 77hp @ 8500rpm and 50.2 ft-lb @ 6,500 rpm with Sport and Eco modes is a beginner's ride! Anyway, please keep the great videos coming and the odometers turning!!

[@kevinhickey4889]

When people in cars see a bicycle approaching, they're not expecting it to be going 30 mph.

[@jakermeister269]

people with expensive road bikes can usually get up to 25-30mph speeds without electric assistance

[@Hartwig870]

@@jakermeister269 And super cars can easily do 200mph, that doesn't mean people expect to encounter them on a downtown commute. Moron.

[@jakermeister269]

@@Hartwig870 you're comparing 25-30mph to 200mph in a city commute. ok makes sense

[@Orlandofurioso95]

No need to get aggressive - you're both correct. The problem is that an e-bike that can pull 50kph or more is not an e-bike, it's an electric motorcycle, and should be treated as such.

[@EiRA-hiE-x]

I think they should be at 30 km/h not 30 mph lol, ppl don't know how to bike

[@000polsris000]

As a guy who has commuted on both a motorcycle and a bicycle, you hit the nail on the head with this one.

[@davidbonesteel9919]

Exactly! I was a regular bicycle rider for 25 years or so. I was living in downtown San Diego at the time and with all the hills I would get some speed on that bike. I had two accidents that put me in a hospital within a two year span and bought a motorcycle soon after. Better brakes, the power to get myself out of bad situations and most importantly, better PPE.

[@stefanmargraf7878]

Same with me. And i want to add, as a bicyclist i never had a problem with other cars or pedestrians, but with other bicyclist. That is, because i learned to use my brain, therefore i never had a crash for decades with my motorcycle, and that is helpful on a bicycle too.

[@mamiltonhorris4476]

@@stefanmargraf7878 how is "using your brain" going to stop a drunk driver? Unless you use it to break the windshield

[@mamiltonhorris4476]

@@stefanmargraf7878 I use my brain therefore I don't have a crash. Maybe the stupidest logic I've ever heard. You cannot account for others

[@DrawdeThePotato]

@@stefanmargraf7878 hahaha I got it.... just look at the comment over me... THAT is not how to use your brain hahahahaha

[@TinyGiraffes]

"I'm not going to tell you to be safe, just leave us alone" Is not what I was expecting.

[@Trioptio]

but is a great conclusion

[@sleepyearth]

@@Trioptio If you leave us alone first.......

[@oknevals]

It is interesting that every time you tell somebody that you ride a motorcycle, they have some horrifying story of somebody who got killed or maimed on motorcycle. You will never hear such story about the bicycle or minivan. It is almost like defense mechanism. I can't do that, it is too dangerous. Kind of like vaccine. I want vaccine, why don't you. Kind of reverse but, same fear mechanism.

[@rayperrenoud6210]

It was a topic I never thought about. Very informative. Not something I would be offended by. I bet you never thought about it......

[@scottnathanphoto]

I sometimes consider adding an E bike to my collection. Upsides, no parking tickets, registration or insurance. Downside. Easily stolen. Have to deal w locking up etc.

[@martintirpak1033]

nearly all of ebikes sold in my country are limited to 25kmh. You can go faster, but you gotta pedal on your own, assistance turns off. So basically it helps you out on hills or, if you are beginner, helps you maintain decent speed. Solves most of the issues you explained :)

[@Cobalt985]

Same here in Canada but the limit is a little bit higher at 32 km/h.

[@King-yj2jx]

Wonder if some of these bikes ppl disabled the assistance some how

[@michaelkostiuk1009]

“Half a helmet and happy thoughts”. I only ever needed a ‘Black t-shirt and my personality’ for my commute.

[@pewpewdragon4483]

I typically like to cover my 'personality' with at least a pair of pants, but you do you :P

[@jnb756]

I live in AZ where they tried to mandate bicycle helmets a while back - but motorcycles? Helmet is not necessary--- crazy

[@yardenl1998]

@@pewpewdragon4483 killer haha

[@BradTech.]

I do... NOT tryna lose teeth over fun

[@brapamaldi]

@@BradTech. how does a bicycle helmet save your teeth?

[@thankgodyourehere]

I recently moved over to commuting full time on an E bike. I'm in NYC, so a combination of traffic, tolls, and lack of parking helped me make my decision. It is very scary but luckily speed limit on local roads here is 25MPH/40KMH so I can keep up. I just always make sure to give right of way to everyone else on the road and do wear a DOT rated helmet. Hopefully I live.

[@LMvdB02]

Cycling to work at 40 km/h seems horrible

[@thankgodyourehere]

@@LMvdB02 For the big city, it is a small city. I usually get to work faster biking than I do in a car because I can skip all the traffic.

[@blairlohnes8103]

@@LMvdB02 Cycling to work at 40km/h sounds like a good time to me. :)

[@LMvdB02]

@@blairlohnes8103 to arrive all sweaty and hot?

[@thegrowl2210]

@@LMvdB02 On an E Bike?

[@molethan6138]

I've been hitting 60 mph on skiis since I was 10, weaving through trees on a mountain bike for years, and ice climbing over hundred foot drops in the mountains.... But my parents think a motorcycle is too dangerous......

[@denismiranda1372]

It is, you were weaving through trees on a controlled enviroment, you safety relied mostly on yourself and your skills. When using a motorcyle in public roads your safety depends not only on you, but also on the thousands other road users, and some of them are just complete idiots.

[@Tim_van_de_Leur]

@@denismiranda1372 most are complete idiots ;)

[@KarryKarryKarry]

@Circadian Circus That’s great to hear! Good that both sports are borrowing features and designs from each other. In the end everyone wins because we get more freedom to do whatever it is that we want to do on the mountain 😃

[@CockatooDude]

@@denismiranda1372 That's why you need to get a motorcycle license and proper gear. People act like most people just hop on a motorcycle with no gear and crank it to 200 mph the second they get their hands on one. That image is incredibly far from the truth. Millions in Europe commute on motorcycles just fine.

[@lotusgroup123]

Michael Schumacher

[@highenergyog]

The absolute best motorcycle/humor content creator on KZbin in my view , Thanks kid for keeping even us older school riders safe and informed. Best regards from Lloyd somewhere here in Ontario Canada 🇨🇦.

[@rudymsmith]

As a long time commute by bicycle guy, who shifted to motorcycles after being hit from the rear on my bicycle by a car doing over 50MPH, I have lots of painful thoughts about both two wheeled worlds. After the car v bicycle incident in 2008, i stopped commuting to work on my bicycle, ending a 40 year love affair. I thought certainly the motorcycle would at least fulfill my need to feel the wind in my face. Fast forward to 2022, I am returning, for health reasons, back to bicycle commuting via a Riese Muller Superdelight Ebike class 3 pedalec (speed assist up to 28 mph). I still have my two wheeled HOG of thunder but i have decided i would rather die doing what i love, getting to work on a bicycle, than live in fear of what if's. My time on a motorcycle makes me a better bicyclist and my time on a bicycle makes me a better motorcyclist. If your gonna die and we all are, die doing what you love.... just don't be stupid and premature about the whole damn mess. Cell phones in cars are evil to anything on two wheels.

[@allprogrows358]

In Denver, cyclists like to act like cars and demand space on the road but then turn into pedestrians and try to run stop signs and red lights. Of course they get mad if you already happen to be going through the intersection when they get there and have to stop.

[@andrewrobinson1634]

Surprised you never mentioned that a large part of the E-bike market consists of people who've had their licenses suspended or revoked due to DUIs.

[@Likely_Alucard]

A smaller margin, I find more are on the much cheaper gas kit alternatives. Even though by law here they are treated as motorcycles, but no cop is gonna stop and check. So many do this. less then $200 and a bike to put it on

[@archetypex65]

I ask you to Produce Source documentation on that bullshit opinion. as somebody who works in the bicycle industry I can tell you that the majority of people who ride ebike's are commuters. There's a small segment who purchase ebikes because of DUI but mostly commuters and elderly people

[@archetypex65]

@@Likely_Alucard obviously you're confused because an e-bike or a pedalec. A pedal-assist bike. Any bike with a throttle is not an e bicycle it is a scooter moped or motorcycle

[@jpkalishek4586]

it has been joked my employer could make a good profit by providing a taxi service to those workers on suspended licenses

[@Likely_Alucard]

@@archetypex65 There are different definitions for what is an "e-bike" in different states. I like MNs approach, every bike with an electric motor, regardless of whether it has a throttle or not, is an e-bike. Simple approach to stamp out loopholes. Pedal assist can be cranked up to the point you dont pedal at all but just spin the pedals, basically making it another throttle. all is judged on power level and speed.

[@DeadsetYT]

I wonder if Ryan analytics told him that 50% of his audience are E-Bike Riders.....Hence the video. hahaha

[@carneeki]

I thought about building one, but my state (NSW Australia) has it regulated to all buggery. 200W or 250W the last time I checked, and a third of a horse is just not worth it.

[@Likely_Alucard]

@@carneeki Thats most places actually. Here is the US many states are limited to 500W and a few have 250W restrictions, only one state is very good at enforcing it and thats New York. I live in the most forgiving state, MN. Minnesota allows for 1000w bikes. And if you go beyond that, you are not illegal nor legal, ride at your own risk and stay off trails, as trails generally will not allow e-bikes. outfit your bike with lights and mirrors for safety and to avoid troubles with police

[@Yutter89]

@@carneeki gov, killing Innovation one thousand regulations at a time. The worse part is they often kill so many unexplored opportunities as they have so little knowledge of any field they just go with "sounds good" regulations. Then usually find out the treatment is far worse than the symptom. In this case, speed of electric bicycles are the same as mopeds (but you can pedal them?)

[@gdijkema]

@@Likely_Alucard That just sounds like an electric motorcycle with more steps...

[@sethstile1201]

50%... For real??

[@TagetesAlkesta]

As an ebike commuter, I’ve taken a lot of advice from this channel and treat my bike more like a motorcycle than a regular bicycle. Especially given that since it’s a RadRunner Plus with a controller upgrade and planned 1000w motor swap in the near future, at this point it basically is an electric motorcycle with a lower top speed.

[@leandrog2785]

Do you have turn indicators, brake light, and headlight?

[@TagetesAlkesta]

@@leandrog2785 I’ve got all of those except the turn indicators, and I plan on ordering those soon.

[@littleripper312]

Problem with juicing them to be secret motorbikes is you're in big trouble if you crash while driving what is actually an uninsured motorbike.

[@theVoyage]

Where I live that would legally be a moped, the cutoff for an E-bike is 250w

[@oscarsmith3942]

@@littleripper312 One really important difference between an e-bike and a motercycle is weight. You're a lot more likely to kill a pedestrian on a 500 pound motorcycle than a 50 pound ebike.

[@jakel2837]

I've been commuting on an ebike for a few weeks now, and I couldn't agree more. It's convinced me I'd love switching to a motorcycle as soon as I can afford it. At this point my bike is basically a 50cc scooter anyway. I added mirrors, turn signals, and even switched to a full face helmet after learning the hard way that rain hurts at 30mph

[@BuffaloBlack]

You're not supposed to ride an ebike in rain anyway

[@dizneyboy1756]

Ryan releasing a new video for F9 puts me in a good mood for the day

[@rizqirizaldo]

You mean: for life

[@firemanfitzy]

Great perspective. I’m a cyclist and ride a killer road/race bike. I hit 30 mph quite often. I thought about adding an e-bike to my collection. However, I am a career firefighter/paramedic, which has curtailed my desire to buy a motorcycle.

[@zachsheffield1325]

You could write a dirtbike or ride around a track.

[@astrahcat1212]

I did delivery for 5 or so years and now I bicycle on the sidewalks, roads are too dangerous, texting teens so many swerving cars.

[@firemanfitzy]

@@astrahcat1212 I added a gravel bike to my collection. I get to ride dirt trails now and don’t have to worry about traffic as much.

[@monikacognomen1096]

@@desertdinghy9833 What did matey say about anecdotes? Anyway, I have one: I've ridden motorcycles a million miles easily and never so much as broken my finger. So, they must be safe. Duh.

[@jerryvolpini7987]

Ryan: "Gets whizzed more often than a public urinal" Me: Damn, I love this channel!

[@BreakingBarriers2DIY]

Me too...just about peed myself laughing...lol

[@mazurekkamil1]

Came here to post the same comment. 18 hours too late.

[@jerryvolpini7987]

@@mazurekkamil1 😄

[@RicardoPetrazzi]

That was the best line of dialogue, period!

[@Rey-Nolds]

That register with me also.

[@jaytencross2626]

This is so true, in the downtown route I have run I've seen many scooters e-bikes has just get porked bad because they're not visible

[@dafyddgiddins9861]

"The UK has a culture of commuting on two wheels" really, that's not my experience, you should look to the continent for bicycle culture

[@gorkzop]

Especially dutch, Denmark second Belgium third..

[@armchairwarrior963]

Compare to the US, it is.

[@unclemick-synths]

@@armchairwarrior963 yep. Same with Canada. Come springtime and you'd think no-one had ever seen a 2-wheeler (just like the first snowfall of winter you'd think it had never snowed up here before).

[@karlossingh842]

That’s a lie u get arrested for using an electric scooter

[@PixelLife101]

Motorbikes are quite common here though

[@RickyJr46]

Introducing the e-bike's annoying kid brother: the kickboard e-scooter, laying in the middle of an urban sidewalk near you.

[@1990-t1j]

They shouldn't be allowed on the road.

[@crocketgsxr6]

and the baby brother the "hoover" board

[@HolybasilYT]

I ride an e-scooter. It has blinkers, it has an after-market mirror, 2 1000lumen lights and reflectors all over. I wear a full face helmet and I ride in the bycycle lane when available. The vehicle isn't the problem. It's riders and the culture behind it is.

[@RickyJr46]

Henning, you are a good operator- thanks for rolling the way you do. 👍🏼

[@HolybasilYT]

@@RickyJr46 Thanks Ricardo. I try to set a good example since e-scooters already have a bad rep.

[@bolttracks]

as an e-cyclist myself, I sincerely apologize for my non red-light-abiding peers 😅

[@RussellDeacon]

when i jump a red its because i know the timing, i never cause other users issues. they are just pissed i can move quickly and cant imagine how i do what i do. its a shame. especially given european cities without road signs or mandatory rules do just fine provided the speed stays under 20mph.

[@natescott941]

No red lights is one of the few power-ups of the eBike.... zzzzoooommmm!!!!

[@killer2600]

@@RussellDeacon Pretty sure every european city requires licensing for drivers and there are rules of the road. If there weren't, I doubt you'd think the chaos would be "just fine" Also 20 mph is slow, I don't know of many traffic situations where cars never exceed 20 mph for an entire trip.

[@hamzterix]

keep that momentum

[@natescott941]

@@hamzterix it takes less energy to keep an object in motion then to get it in motion

[@prodigalretrod]

I think another factor is that a lot of people who have taken to ebikes are people who would not have considered riding a pushbike, meaning there are now suddenly a whole lot of new, inexperienced riders out there who are in charge of relatively fast vehicles. Whereas if you've already been riding a bike for 30 years, you're probably a lot more sensible in how you ride an ebike.

[@flightographist]

I live near a 1500 km waterfront bicycle path system. I watch the e-bike riders, you can tell those who are new vs veterans to cycling activity, the former generally ride like twits.

[@dylanyates6331]

When I saw the video in recommended, I was like "who cares about ebikes?". I then realized it was a FortNine video.

[@tastefullysinfull5570]

Ditto on that mate

[@robmichael9089]

Never thought much about it but FN is correct. Well done.

[@mohammadfurkanmir7934]

I swear I thought the same... 😂

[@MD-qd8rp]

why does that make it better

[@dylanyates6331]

@Sound Money built different

[@robertcolledge7479]

Cities can and should, IMO, be adding protected bicycle lanes for commuting and taking measures to minimize auto and bicycle traffic sharing roadways.

[@harrycampbell5016]

If they don't rob neighborhoods of parking sure.

[@tramlink8544]

they do in a lot fo areas in europe and most of the spandex crowd ignore those tracks and still prefer cycling on the street

[@marc-andrerenaud1394]

I fully disagree. First, you give inattentive cyclists a false sense of security. Second, you're now making it harder for skilled and attentive cyclists to find usable roads and also travel as fast as they used to. Third, if your city planning department decides to place these cycling lanes on already snarled vehicle roads, you provide car drivers an extra reason to despise cyclists, increasing the likelihood of altercations between drivers and cyclists. Cycling lanes have their place, certainly, but cities like Vancouver in Canada has just rammed in this infrastructure that's made roads worst for everyone except for tiny minority of casual commuters. Motorists, couriers and experienced cyclists all hate what's been done to the city because it's really just been shoe-horned into a system that was already bursting at the seams and now everyone just rides or drives slower because of it.

[@waltonsimons9082]

@@tramlink8544 There's a difference between 'cyclists' and people that ride a bicycle ; )

[@SonnyDarvish]

0:39 hold on a sec. here in Germany, max speed produced by the bike can't be more than 25km/h

[@125ordie2]

Think its the same in most of the EU. That slow speed has saved me many times. Warning! WEAR EAR PLUGS.

[@125ordie2]

@@zUJ7EjVD Wind roar gave me tinnitus :(

[@125ordie2]

@@spacebug30 Never heard of it being illegal. A car driver cant hear anything with the radio on.

[@125ordie2]

@@spacebug30 Is that in Belgium? I disagree that it is dangerous not to be able to hear other traffic on the basses that a car driver cannot hear much through their windows, especially with demister fan on high speed. Electric vehicles are silent anyway. It is recommended in this country and many others that motorcyclists wear ear plugs. Watch Fortnine video about it on youtube. It is a brilliant channel.

[@diggler2002]

@@spacebug30 On a motorcycle, wind noise damages your hearing.

[@Vzw-dj9rf]

FortNine's comment about the speed and e-bike can hit, and the unpreparedness of the riders for that speed is significant. The exhilaration and ease of going fast masks the risks of travel at that speed until you suddenly need to slow, stop or turn. Another area many cyclists are not familiar with is rules of the road - I've witnessed people riding against traffic (wrong side of the road) as well as those that blow lights and stop signs. Tie the many factors together - higher speed, lack of compliance/knowledge of laws, inexperience, lower quality equipment - and you've got a situation where you will have more people hurt or killed. I make an effort to ride predictably and safely in addition to using lesser-traveled roads and trails when available. As I see it, if I'm willing to ride through Stop signs and traffic lights, I should willing to accept drivers doing the same. Inexperience in anything usually results in mistakes, and in the case of riding an e-bike it can easily be fatal.

[@trailguy]

I have a motorcycle license and I often ride an ebike. I think it might help a little, but mostly having lights and a mirror are important.

[@lindaletabasa7760]

Lmao that subtle voice crack on “prepubescent” is golden

[@LjCaples]

Huh, I didn't notice..

[@droam129]

4:35

[@spitfiretux]

Great video. I'm a cyclist since 2013 and motorcyclist since 2017. When I started using the motorcycle and knowing a little about two wheels safety, I realized the greater risk of the bike in traffic, even a regular one.

[@dandywaysofliving]

Cyclist should Ride against traffic It prevents them from getting rear ended or side swiped by a car. It's safer to see cars as they approach you Vs Having them pop up behind you. Most accidents involve a car rear ending someone. Stay safe friend 🤟💫

[@melthed4306]

I'm a postman - riding either a euro derived elec bicycle or a motorbike. On the elec bike, which is 'power assisted' -(so u gotta pedal to get power- no 'throttle'), I've made just over 50km an hour downhill freewheelin, so it can do the intown speed limit kinda,- and I regularly get passed on runs by elderly people not even pedaling on elec bikes- they just hoon thru intersections, race down paths across driveways- crazy. But probably the worst thing is as posties we're trained to use the elec bikes as motorbikes- ie:- take up a full lane on the road etc, basically act like a motorbike, yet have no indicators, no protective gear-, oh wait, we do get helmets ;) , the weird thing is I seem to get more people in cars not seeing me on a motorbike??....... there seems to be a huge gap in road safety when it comes to 2 wheeled elec vehicles.........on the elec bike you're seated quite high up- the amount of people I see driving along looking down at phones every day would scare the crap out of you, and don't even get me started on elec scooters doing at least 30-40km on pathways with pedestrians and driveways- mennnntal! The only solution is to imagine you're invisible and ride to counter that.

[@lykortos4827]

I am a pedal cyclist, and I worked for a short while as a junior bike mechanic. In the UK, we have put limits onto electronic bicycles due to these risks. However, a lot of people have realised they can break open their speed limitors and then cruise at 30+ mph. This is going to take a lot of work to fix as a problem.

[@raithrover1976]

There's a bit of an issue with gangs of youths riding unlimited e-bikes at quite high speeds pin shared paths and in parks here in Edinburgh. That said, the real danger comes when these lads turn 17 and pass their driving tests.

[@therealunclevanya]

@@raithrover1976 same thing in all the big cities (I have seen it in Leeds, Bradford, Halifax (well Mixenden) and Manchester. Unrestricted bikes bought off Fleabay.

[@codrinmicusan446]

30+mph ebikes should be made legal under a similar license as a moped and driving instructors should drill bike awareness into drivers heads

[@MrBiggles53]

It boils down to personal responsibility, maturity and training. Use your experience, or lack thereof, to stay within your limits. The same is true for bicycles, mopeds, motorcycles, ebikes and escooters, which I’ve had in that order. I learned to ride slowly with traffic as soon as I graduated from tricycles as a kid, and have ridden ever since for 55 years. Obey the sidewalk and road laws, understand the slower people have rights and are more vulnerable, shich will be you at times. NEVER trust that any driver will see you. Always be watching for threats and obstacles. Actually wearing proper gear reduces fatigue factors. Ride with flashers so cars will more likely see you. Helmet-mounted ones are great to high flash drivers right in their eyes. They look stupid; but they work. Learn to pick minor roads to your destination. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

[@mikerodent3164]

I've been riding a cycle in London for more than 40 years. I have literally never had an accident. I am much more paranoid and "defensive" than anyone else I see. One of the things that angers me massively in London is these xunts (of whatever age) who ride e-bikes in cycle lanes, and specifically when they exceed 25 mph, which frankly most do. I really don't give a shit about these little xunts and want them to die as soon as possible. It seems impossible to properly police or regulate e-bikes. For which reason they must be banned from cycle lanes completely. Let them fend for themselves in the motor vehicle traffic, not mix in with manual cycles.

[@agentstarkk]

0:03 this is how Ryan actually dresses in real life.

[@SilentSalad]

Made me roflmbsao

[@Thirsty_Fox]

Well he did live in Montreal.... hmm...

[@NikhilNadiger]

I can see it now!

[@CockatooDude]

I mean he do be stylin'.

[@gijsscheffer3555]

60 km/h on an electric bike. Damn

[@PlateInStock]

What ebike goes that fast?

[@randomvideosn0where]

I met a guy who said his could hit 55 MPH (3 motors). I think in some ways faster is safer if you have the right gear and skills.

[@aurboda]

felt so good doing that on my cheap japanese bike tho

[@aurboda]

(non electric)

[@pera1295]

that's just top speed, a regular cyclist can reach that on a pedal bike

[@scotkamimae2531]

I'm an avid pedal cyclist (road bike) and have been riding since I was 6 years old. I'm very good as controlling my bike in all types of situations. In 45 years of cycling I have only had one accident involving a car and two crashes from inattentive cyclists. With e-bikes, those people that ride them typically have not ridden pedal bikes and don't not have the experience of handling a pedal bike, let alone an e-bike that can go 35 mph. I've had several near misses with e-bike riders due to their poor handling skills and speed that is beyond their abilities. Numerous times I have been passed by e-bike riders where they are traveling at over 25 mph on a street with heavy auto traffic. As the number of e-bikes increase you will see a substantial increase in serious injuries and deaths as these cyclists don't have the requisite ability to handle the e-bike.

[@TheGreatWasian_]

I used to ride bikes a lot but took a break for a while. I am interested in getting an e bike now. Do you think it would be okay if I just used my e bike on its lowest petal assist setting?

[@smileychess]

@@TheGreatWasian_ - You'll get a feel for it after a few days. I started slow then got comfortable running at it's full speed at 20mph which feels perfect (not too fast or slow). You can always temper it with the breaks, or lower the max-speed setting, at a moment's notice. They're really quite easy to control.

[@jontrackerjack]

I am a 69 year old ex racing cyclist in the UK and now own an E bike together with my wife we go off road as much as we can. E bikes here are limited to 15 mph assisted but down hill I have seen 49mph. Your video is excellent and so true and very watchable. I agree not safe but fun and you get some exercise!

[@dandywaysofliving]

Ride against traffic if possible Some infrastructure prevents this but it's the safest way to prevent yourself from being rear ended or side swiped by a car. Either way Good luck 🤟💫

[@chandlerseanspears9404]

I wonder if they’re taking in account the type of e-bike for some of these studies ? In my city the most popular bikes are the “rad power bikes” mine has just enough juice to give me a good boost and make cycling easier, but it cuts out at 20 mph , I regularly get smoked by pedal only cycles , I can’t imagine causing the amount of damage that I see in some of these videos 😂

[@jonhohensee3258]

"I wonder if they’re taking in account the type of e-bike for some of these studies?" You're not sure if you wonder that?

[@cshona]

Mine cuts at 24km /h or 14.9 mph. And we have no bike lanes. Awful

[@jonhohensee3258]

@@cshona - I put a playing card on my bike frame so the spokes of the wheel hit it and makes the bike sound like it has a motor. Sounds really boss.

[@ebperformance8436]

All his evidence is Circumstantial and speculation…it depends on the type of e-bike, and person. If your riding a DIY e-bike with a cheap or old wall-mart bike….with either worn coaster, or worn v style brakes…isn’t the safest…sharing the road with cars on a cheap wallmart bike isn’t the safest, if your just a plan idiot, and your zooming in between cars isn’t the safest. I’d much rather crash’ Not involving a car’ going 25MPH on a e-bike than going over 60MPH on a motorcycle….also idiots give motorcycles a bad name’ I seen my fair share of idiots doing stupid and crazy shit on motorcycles,

[@manaspradhan8041]

@@ebperformance8436 what about crashing at 25mph on a motorbike? Why are you comparing 25 with 60 when you'll never be doing 60 on the kind of urban roads where you can consider an ebike

[@realmtl6829]

Geez, as some personal anecdotal evidence I remember falling off my bike at around 22 mph and got messed up with abrasions everywhere. But then I got hit on my first motorcycle around going about 30-35 mph and was completely fine. The gear makes all the difference.

[@johnjacob688]

Being a motorcyclist I feel so naked when I take out the mountain bike.

[@MontrealRides]

I like your presentation style. I have an e-bike, but it's looks like a small scooter. (Niu UQi+ Sport) To get better at riding regularly at 30kph (a speed I can't reach on my human-powered bike), and considering the accelerative power and shape of it, I look for motorcycle tips and tricks videos like this one. I was amazed at first that things like counter-steering or making tight U-turns apply to my situation. I overheard a cyclist pointing out my scooter-like e-bike and complaining that she now has to look behind her before over taking someone, for fear of a speedy e-bike coming from behind in the bike lane. I told her that bike, e-bike, pedestrian, motorcycle, or car, you ALWAYS have to look behind you before overtaking anything or anyone. I've been cut off waiting at a red light by a speedy cyclist burning that red light! E-bikers aren't the problem... dumb commuters are. 😜 Safety first! She grumbled and cycled away, still hating e-bikers... EDIT: Just realizing now that this video is over 2 years old. I just subscribed, so my feed is filling it with your older stuff... lol.

[@jacquelinelabarge3293]

"Anecdotal evidence is just evidence of an anecdote, so let's look at some real numbers" I love this and want it on a t-shirt. Also, I encourage everyone to get at least a moped if not motorcycle license (even if you will never ride it again) because the classes are very good at reinforcing my favorite lesson, "You are small and squishy. Act like it!"

[@unclemick-synths]

I'd buy one of those shirts! Yep training is good. My school bus training changed the way I drive and ride.

[@matthewarmitage3755]

Sign me up for the t-shirt!

[@A_Box]

Except that this data is highly biased and next to useless. People who cycle with traffic are prone to high risk behavior. Others, like me, have only started cycling because of dedicated bicycle infrastructure (physically separated from cars). A real fair comparison would be taking data from places with a long history of dedicated bicycle infrastructure and then see how they compare to each other.

[@BobJones1728]

More importantly, a good class will teach you not to drive like a jackass. :)

[@yash1152]

2:50