Fortnite Upgraded For PS5 Pro - Unreal Engine 5 Hardware RT Makes A Big Difference

[@SIXminWHISTLE]

It's too late now, but it would have probably been best to wait a few more days to make this video. Right now, the game is a "classic" season, with the map from 5 years ago designed with UE4 has the focus. When the Chapter 6 map releases, it should look substantially better, with locations and materials designed to take full advantage of the full UE5 feature set.

[@jarlofrivia]

Ikr they should've waited until next week or after og releases too loool.. they are clueless in alot of stuff

[@jwhi419]

This is not true. You can play the og mode and quickly realize more than half the assets in the main mode are from over the years. While the og reload mode uses 2018 assets exclsuively. Second. If you watch the trailer for the new season. It is the exact same map but with different coloring. (~lazy """"). With the advertisings removed.

[@jwhi419]

And again. Even the trailer has the same stuff from chapter 4 2 years ago. Epic does not make as much content as they use to. Instead they focus their resources on adding advertisements. The new jordan shoes. Don't expect a graphic update in 2 days. Youll be dissapointed

[@SIXminWHISTLE]

@jwhi419 It is definitely not the same map. They do a new map from scratch every Chapter. At most, maybe a POI or two will return. This time, there seems to be some version of MegaCity, but it doesn't appear to be the same as before.

[@jwhi419]

@SIXminWHISTLE dude they showed the map ui in the trailer. They removed the collab pois added 2 and thats it

[@davgil47]

Alex sounds like he's been locked in the dungeon by Rich until he completes the PS5 pro Fortnite patch against his will lmao

[@jorge69696]

Nah, Alex loves these software RT vs hardware RT comparisons.

[@balazstoth7061]

@@jorge69696 he just hates consoles

[@Bdestiny933]

@@balazstoth7061 He only hates Sony/PS. He loves MS/Xbox

[@richardtucker5938]

'How long Rich? How long must i remain locked away from the world?!' 'Around a fortnight Alex'.

[@happygofishing]

@@Bdestiny933 pure cope all consoles suck

[@WilliamSmith-hf8um]

Hardware Lumen at 60 FPS is really awesome. You cannot deny that hardware ray tracing looks amazing. Whether it's worth it or not depends on the game and individual preference but it does look great here

[@thespeechboss]

These PC guys spend thousands of dollars for tiny upgrades all the time.

[@colemin2]

​@thespeechboss Do you think going from a 1060 to a 4080 is a tiny upgrade?

[@thespeechboss]

@colemin2 I think going from a ps4 to a ps5 is also a huge upgrade. That was a bad argument.

[@AI-AITUM]

Ik when I played Fortnite (am usually playing Apex) I've been enjoying it on the Pro; especially compared to when I played it on my switch...switch looks like 🐕💩 . It looks amazing and is consistently smooth with no hiccups from the Pro. I've been having to deliberately take days off from playing on my Pro to keep me from being on it all the time this holiday season tbh.

[@elgorditobonito4980]

@@thespeechboss crazy bro this is what you'll get from a 3060. ps5 pro scam. fortnite will run on 10 year old hardware nothing crazy a 3050 can probably do this.

[@guffingtonreal]

It might be worth mentioning that because of the Chapter 2 Remix season, the assets used in the main battle royale are a combination of 2017-2020 assets that released prior to the UE5 update.

[@thekangaroo1880]

Definitely. The assets and textures are not exactly remastered for nanite and lumen this chapter. It's why it's easier to run ray tracing for now compared to the map that made full use of said nanite and lumen.

[@guffingtonreal]

@thekangaroo1880 This game used to run at 60fps on last gen and now constantly dips down to 40fps on Xbox One, and the performance on PC has only gotten worse over time. You used to be able to run this on a Core i3, now capable hardware needs performance mode to work properly.

[@thekangaroo1880]

@@guffingtonreal I play at almost max settings with RT and DLSS and the game is a bit easier this chapter to run compared to the older maps. Though the scaling of settings has been a bit odd. If I was to play with RT back when the witcher and the whole Indiana Jones section was added to the game I'd have harder luck keeping a stable 60fps. Another note is I feel like my GPU on my laptop and desktop don't reach their theoretical potential thanks to the CPU being eaten up by the game. It's a CPU utilisation issue with fortnite. Last gen consoles have stinky CPUs so that makes for a ballroom of performance.

[@damanraaj3496]

@@guffingtonreal it is heavier on the gpu as well now. on i5 8th gen mx150 I used to run it on medium 1080p at start, but as newer maps and updates came, needed to use the ultra performance api at 720 p and even then it stutters.

[@RokkieSparrow]

@@thekangaroo1880 stinky

[@nicowasheremate]

Started playing Fortnite in my mid 20’s after being tired of Warzone… Zero Build is great, perfect mix of casual and sweaty for me and my friends.

[@maymayman0]

Bro you aren't even old yet, enjoy your youth and play good games while you can. Fortnite are Warzone are for your mid 40s

[@unholy.espada]

This guy saying mid 20s like it wasnt just 4 years ago

[@Eddycut]

​@@maymayman0he never once said he was old wdym

[@melxvee6850]

Bro really had to mention his mid 20s

[@HeyKyle]

@@maymayman0tf is this guy saying?

[@HenryMarkV]

Great to see Epic really utilizing their own engine on console and showing everyone how its done... and then the PC version has some of the worst shader compilation I have ever seen

[@xandypunk7350]

Sad but true

[@DBTHEPLUG]

I thought UE5 was the problem. Apparently it isn't when devs do what has to be done.

[@swagdaddy1242]

Pc is a fucking stutter fest

[@CoffeeRobin-cs1nf]

@@swagdaddy1242 Real, for some reason I can't even run the game in DirectX12 anymore without it softlocking itself, probably has something to do with broken shader compilation but I don't know how to fix it, and DX11 constantly stutters

[@swagdaddy1242]

@ I agree

[@CompleteAnimation]

I don't play Fortnite. But I enjoy seeing Alex's videos going over the graphical improvements.

[@bartomiejbashadulewicz4001]

Same here :D

[@leogets2006]

Then there's the sweaty players that turn off ultra settings and have everything on low settings

[@TechnoHorrorMovie]

The graph showing ps5 to pro and resolution percentage is peak. Puts everything in great context.

[@corey_massey]

So what you're saying is that the up to 45% faster claim is true as this is greater than the 45% boost claimed by Mark Cerney

[@misterfreezer9895]

@@corey_massey56% is crazy, Fortnite lost so much much better, I sit about 1M from my Bravia 75 inch, and I see the difference easily between PS5 and the Pro

[@ThatOneGuyFromSchool]

@@misterfreezer9895 i'd hope you can see the difference when sitting so close to a 75'' tv

[@SD-vp5vo]

@@misterfreezer9895 you see difference between old untouched version and a version that got additional optimization + small boost in horse power of a new console

[@misterfreezer9895]

@@ThatOneGuyFromSchool lol what’s problem? 1M is a normal range for a 75inch TV.. Your eyes are pretty relaxed, unlike you “3M away” eyes are being punished Jesus damn lol

[@ultraxfo5664]

You have to be a madman to use raytracing in a competitive game that’s filled with children who will build entire city blocks to get the high ground and beam you

[@fenixa2z936]

No build mode

[@9klincoln]

just play zero builds unranked you big baby

[@MrBrax]

Good thing there's a no build mode, actually makes the game fun

[@LianCasablacks]

That's why No build mode is the GOAT

[@elchancho8432]

To everyone in the comments yes no build is awesome and better IMO but you still don’t need RT

[@MurCurieux]

Glad TSR and hardware RT showing promise. Sad that PSSR isn’t currently viable in UE5, but as these models get stronger I hope to maybe see a patch to allow a PSSR and TSR toggle to be added. Love the channel!

[@mediumrarepotato7385]

PSSR on First Descendant looks amazing weirdly looks even better when you use frame gen

[@CuriousSylens]

This is true, I was very surprised since I remember this game's visuals and performance really bad on base PS5.​@@mediumrarepotato7385

[@TakaChan569]

Dude ue5 on it's own is a mess even dlss can't help some game using it lol.

[@xtr.7662]

​@@mediumrarepotato7385its not ue5 its pssr that becomes a mess in any resolution below 1080p

[@retrowrath9374]

@@TakaChan569 The UE5 hate is ridiculous, it's always evolving and getting better in terms of performance, not every game can just switch to newer versions with the performance benefits, other engines have the same type of issues.

[@TSer-d4u]

i find it weird that console can run fortnite completely smooth but when i tried it on my computer with a 4090 it was a stutter fest

[@ItsDavidWolf]

It’s because the game doesn’t have a proper shader compilation. The way to get Fortnite to not suffer on pc is to set the graphic settings to what you want and then play the map for a few games and eventually the stutters will be completely gone. If you switch to a different map 🗺️ ,play creative, it’s the same process. It’ll stutter at first but within a hour or 2 of playing it’ll be stutter free and will continue to be stutter free until the next season where there’s a new map. Assuming you don’t change your graphic settings.

[@denhawken]

Very true my ps5 runs smoother than my gaming pc. The only difference is pc has performance mode.. if epic allowed that on consoles.. you wouldn't have that many on a pc

[@wanshurst2416]

i have a 3080 and fortnite is rock solid 240 fps at 1440p on my system? Oo

[@denhawken]

@@wanshurst2416 sure you do.

[@ceaserknk6640]

Pc sucks

[@jorge69696]

at 11:50 when you switch to the PS5 Pro version, the text at the top doesn't change from PS5 to PS5 Pro.

[@thisguysgaming7246]

To be far bro they probably can’t tell the difference either 😂

[@TheDuzx]

I think this was a really interesting look. Though I think it would have been better to look at it in 2 days when the new chapter drops. Each new chapter usually has a more graphically intense map and I think it's possible that we might see more frame drops there

[@PositionOffsetGaming]

I've predicted we may see UE 5's new Mega Lights features used in Chapter 6. If that's true another look may be in order

[@Codes_Comics]

I’ll probably still stick to performance mode despite the graphical difference. The nicer graphics ironically make it harder to see opponents

[@anamositykilla2190]

That's why I like 120 hz mode. Don't get me wrong the 60 hz mode looks visually stunning but like you mentioned it's hard seeing the opponents in certain situations. 120 hz fixes that for me!

[@Codes_Comics]

@ agreed, the biggest disadvantage with quality mode are the shadows, its easier for other players ro hide when you can barely see inside buildings/forests

[@proggz39]

Which is why we need to remove cross play with console and pc. Let pc play with hackers, keyboard and mouse, and ultra low settings sweats

[@Codes_Comics]

@ i disagree, otherwise i wouldn’t be able to play with my friends and im not buying an xbox

[@daanyal6266]

@@Codes_Comicsit should be like that, in ALL competitive games: Play for yourself? You only play with other console players. Play with a console friend that's on another console? Same thing! Play with a friend that's on PC? Now you're in mixed PC/console lobbies.

[@FusionVerseProduction]

Still playing this game, its alot of fun in no build mode 💪🏻

[@anashe8161]

From what I'm seeing, on a normal PS5, in Fortnite OG mode it has hardware ray tracing, because before the character's reflection didn't exist and now it looks perfect.

[@anashe8161]

It also has ray tracing hardware in the battle royale

[@gregberkhof2953]

Love the unreal tournament soundtrack usage!

[@BlueKudu-33]

Thanks Alex, good explanation of the difference between hardware and software RT. The scene with the 3 cars really says it all!

[@christopherhunter3164]

Thank you so much for doing this deep dive for me. I know fortnite is uninteresting to most but to me its everything. Thank you so much! To the team at digital foundries❤❤

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Fortnite is interesting amd important. Still one of the most sucessful framchises in gaming.

[@TestPlayer5]

8:49 this is now inaccurate, both cars and your own playermodel can be seen in reflections on xbox series x, which i know is exactly the same as ps5, i havent checked specifics but i have noticed the player reflections

[@SeanBires]

15:49 To answer a question, TSR has a major fixed frametime cost in its high-quality modes; whole milliseconds down the drain depending on the hardware. So, given a frametime budget, do you prioritize TSR quality or base resolution? Like everything, there's a tradeoff.

[@Alovon]

Kind of funky they deployed this now instead of just waiting for Chapter 6 which is coming out in literally 2 days (which presumably will be using UE5.5 and the improved HW Lumen Deployment and among myriad other adjustments probably, maybe Nanite character models?)

[@xXJuanRocksXx]

Uhh.. It's already using UE5.5 since the kicks update? And maybe a few updates before that. I checked the .exe on that update, but no new features for now, but it has the new HW denoising algorithm, checked on the metallic posts on the festival map and RT performance improved on PC.

[@Alovon]

@xXJuanRocksXx Fortnite doesn't really deploy major changes until Chapter Releases. And in my experience Lumen appears about as noisy as ever on PC. It's like how Chapter 3 was UE5 but didn't use any of the features and instead of updating to 5.1 in a season they made that a Chapter Update and then enabled lumen.etc. Anyway in the gameplay trailer for C6 there appears to be a lot more occlusion and stable occlusion at that versus any scene I've seen in the PC version which indicates updates have been deployed (beyond the character models having a lot more detail in the trailer which maybe a indication of Skinned Mesh Character Nanite being engaged)

[@dinkomalinko8585]

Pop in is really the most jarring issues to me ever since the early days, I hate it

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Agreed. I'm pro-Pro but I'd trade RT for way better LoDs

[@Cogglesz]

@@RandomGamingMoments925 100% they should have gave you the option for less culling and further out LODS. I've got my PC back from repairs so i was playing this on the PS5 quite a fair bit. It wasn't till i booted it up and had a few matches and went back did i notice the changes. My PC is set up for No RT & epic distance and epic textures etc. It really looks amazing when you can see someone running around and they're probably 12 pixels tall on a 4k panel. The lack of trees and foliage was so cut back i was able to set my PC settings to Medium view distance to get what the PS5 delivers. Medium -> High -> Ultra -> Epic. That's 4 levels of distance options the PS5 pro traded away for hardware RT. The Software option in motion was more than enough for the visuals in fortnite. Its hurting for View distance in that giant map. Never really noticed it when i was playing my PS5 OG but once i got the PC back? It's a generational leap in terms of distant LOD's. There's no advantage since they'd take minutes to even walk to enemies but it blends in the entire scene so much better than the defused glow of the RT Lumen and rare occasions at water for reflections. Honestly i can't be the only dude who tried two platforms and noticed this either. Epic could easily integrate a No RT High Lod/Less Culling option and make HW RT un selectable as an option. Even the Base PS5 i feel they could get far better LOD's by disabling software RT effects replacing them with screenspace and standard AO as they did in the PS4 version. I'd be screaming for it if i was a Pro Owner. I only came around to this video to find out the comparable settings!

[@SimonStewart75]

It's funny seeing all the outpouring of salt here. This is a great upgrade. It'll only get better with UE 5.5.

[@BasePuma4007]

Hating Fortnite is all the rage.

[@SimonStewart75]

@BasePuma4007 Aye. Rage being the operative word.

[@xRocketzFighterx]

I don't think showing footage of Chapter 2 would be worth showing off the visual update on PS5 Pro. Could've just waited a few more days for Chapter 6. Also ngl Fortnite has grown on me over the years because of the gameplay meta not the cringe memes. it's addictive with the fast paced twitchy, run n gun maze combat style. It's not very creative/productive like Minecraft but I have a guilty pleasure enjoying this junk food game.

[@TheFirstRealChewy]

I feel like the improvement in raytracing is not enough to make me care right now. Maybe it will have a greater impact in another 4-8 years.

[@Tycholarfero]

Thanks for the input buddy, I'm sure someone somewhere asked for it

[@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198]

By that point non-rt AAA games won’t even exist regardless of how you feel lol

[@_Refurbished_]

Callisto Protocol.

[@chillnspace777]

​@@Tycholarfero😂 this guy

[@jeffro1005]

Agreed. I’ve been thinking about getting the pro. But I still haven’t seen anything to make me say wow my ps5 sucks now. Gotta have it. I’m still watching these reviews hoping something will change my mind. All I’ve read from buyers is people saying well you can’t afford it and it’s only for those who want the best of the best. I can afford it but I’m waiting to see 700$ value vs a Ps5 at only 375$ now for Black Friday. Until then I’m good for another 3 or so years until the ps6.

[@retrowrath9374]

Epic have improved Lumen alot, there defaults are not great and you can override them with better quality settings for light bounces, better reflection quality that isn't grainy, Also with UE.5.5 Megalights improve performance significantly using hardware raytracing and many lights, games will benefit greatly from 5.5 in terms of performance and quality of rendering, already seeing it in my own project.

[@RevolutionRespawn]

while cool they added rt features, 120hz mode is still the more optimal choice for a competitive game

[@chillnspace777]

Ya, it's just a showcase to be implemented on the engine level itself. Let's hope other UE5 games can use this for ps5 pro upgrades

[@timsurft]

I don't get why there are no improvements for the 120fps mode. No one is playing Fortnite at 60fps willingly. So it makes no sense whatsoever.

[@05DonnieB]

What do you want them to improve on? If you want higher frames you need to remember this thing has a gimped 3700X cpu that's several generations old.

[@timsurft]

@ it was already at 120fps. So increased viewing distance / better graphics? There surely can be something improved.

[@JohnConnor636]

I was hopeful the 120 fps mode would have better graphics. I actually went back to 60fps because the game looks so damn good. 120fps mode on PS5 looks like garbage.

[@stansmith7445]

@@timsurftman hell no. I want a more stable 120fps. If anything they need to DECREASE the graphics on the 120fps mode 😂. Or at least add a competitive 120fps mode with performance optimized settings.

[@coreywalker2763]

For ps5 pro? 😂​@@stansmith7445

[@KaiSchSp]

Bad news, people. The game you don't play actually has amazing tech.

[@SimonStewart75]

A LOT of people on these comments need to accept this. But, they won't.

[@Eddycut]

I play Fortnite and enjoy these features, sucks for you and everyone else who doesn't play it ig

[@imo098765]

@@SimonStewart75 the demo for the game engine uses all the game engines features. Damn who would've thought

[@SimonStewart75]

@@imo098765 Yes it does. Good isn't it?

[@beeceelad]

Good news for me, I love playing it.

[@alexkuznetsov8928]

Great and relatively informative comparison (maybe except how hardware and software raytracing works differently), thank you for this video

[@omnislide]

2:25 why is pop-in still so visible? Wasn’t UE5 Nanite supposed to solve it almost completely?

[@cube2fox]

That was the 120 FPS mode which doesn't use Nanite.

[@omnislide]

@ that makes sense. Thanks!

[@GameTechLead]

Thanks for analyzing Fortnite! I would not see any differences myself.

[@gerrardtorresbabel]

Very disappointed they is no resolution boost at 120hz.

[@anamositykilla2190]

Feels more clean on pro on the 120 hz mode compared to base ps5 120 hz mode. Base has like a small fuzziness and pro is like the super crisp.

[@xtr.7662]

Because theres dynamic res and the base ps5 wasnt even hitting 120 consistently in the first place

[@gerrardtorresbabel]

Or even an unlocked 60 like with bo6.

[@RISKYTAP]

​@@xtr.7662 monitor of mine is 144hz and base Ps5 120fps model give us 119 or 120 fps while playing without dropping

[@rlnzler7131]

Love the UT music playing in the background 😎

[@K3dev]

That's how it should be done, no PSSR on UE5 games, if the developers of the engine are not messing with that, third parties should follow its steps, only custom engines without a good scaler should use it.

[@SotNist]

I wouldn't say only custom engines, since Stellar Blade and FF7 Rebirth are some of the standout Pro enhanced titles making use of PSSR, both running on UE4. Lords of the Fallen turned out pretty good too as a UE5 title. But in general, yeah, use the most suitable software and hardware tools you have available. And try to keep the target platforms in mind, to begin with so you don't end up with rendering methods that don't scale well. If you're struggling to even use UE, across platforms, both Epic's and Playstation's crutches might not save you.

[@K3dev]

@SotNist yes, but the people that use UE5 uses it to not having to code low level stuff, so, until Sony or Epic doesn't make PSSR plug and play, it is better to stick to the builtin solution.

[@thisguysgaming7246]

The ps5 pro should’ve been called the ps5 super slim and be 500 dollars.

[@vincevirtua]

9:07 I'm liking the reflection hacks. Good for competitive play. Haha :)

[@MrShibaMX]

For all the work, detail and self importance that go into these videos... The side to side comparisons look the same to me

[@dannyhallsworth6580]

I love DF and I’m a huge geek myself for all this stuff. But who in the hell is noticing these differences when you are deep into a competitive match. We are truly at the point of diminishing returns.

[@Liesday]

This build use old assets, you need to testing again when the new chapter arrive (Dec 1).

[@TheGamersPerspective]

What game is at 5:18??

[@timothymiddleton6651]

Was trying to figure that out when I saw your comment. Robocop I think. Googled ‘TJLaser’ and it came up under a Fan Wiki.

[@VanLeibensperger]

I love how Alex used the Facing Worlds music in his video.

[@HueyTheDoctor]

Don't think I don't notice that old Unreal Tournament music Alex, you absolute legend.

[@BozQ]

Should've waited another week for Chapter 6 to launch. I'm sure they will showcase even more HWRT than the Remix chapter.

[@SirLamaOFkatania]

medium TSR makes sense, epic TSR is extremely heavy

[@DrJones20]

I never saw those Silent Hill 2 ray tracing improvements in the sh2 comparison video! What gives? They're actually substantial!

[@corey_massey]

They where too busy trying to convince people that the game looked worst on PS5 pro than base PS5. They also don't mention that both quality and performance modes output at a higher resolution and at higher overall settings than the base PS5. They, like most of the internet saw a bug with the original SH2 build and decided to make that bug the entire narrative of the game on Pro rather than talking about all of the other features that were added....and of course when that bug was patched (literally the day after they made thier video) they put a few singular comments about it being patched in a video and kept it moving. The irony here is that checking the actual patch notes for SH2, Bloober and Konami make no mention of PSSR being in the game or about them taking it out. They state simply that they improved the visuals of the game on PS5 pro. DF has built this entire channel on describing those improvements, but only highlight the improvements that fit within a message that aligns with the talking points of their core online community. Its perhaps for this reason that we are 3 weeks into the PS5 pro lifecycle and they haven't even scratched the surface of the improvements across the range of 50+ games that are enhanced on the PS5 pro.

[@AI-AITUM]

​​​@@corey_masseyFACTS! That's why I say people are lying about having the Pro or are just finding anything to talk bad about it despite all the positives it provides, just to have some content for their channel; just looking for problems...It's pathetic tbh.

[@DrJones20]

@corey_massey Where I can read about all the improvements? Is there a reddit post or something? If Digital Foundry can't get a comparison video right, then I don't think anyone else on KZbin has.

[@corey_massey]

@@DrJones20 So basically I was able to put together that the game has been enhanced by looking at all of the analysis videos and tracking the objective information in each....so if you watch the first Silent Hill 2 analysis videos it serves as a baseline because the game has recieved a very limited amount of patches. Basically SH2 ran at dynamic resolution scaling with the 2 modes. In quality mode it ran between 1224p and 1512p. In Performance mode the game ran between 864p and 1152p. Both modes use software lumen for reflections and GI and upscale to 4k using UE5 upscaler TSR. What is interesting here is in watching the PS5 pro comparisons to base PS5, DF says the game output for base PS5 is higher than these figures to dramatize the downgrade message, but what they don't tell you is that when using Dynamic resolution scaling the game will drop resolution first in order to maintain the framerate, and when you consider how frequent the game drops frames on base PS5, the reality is the game is more consistently running at the bottom of the DRS range than the top of that range. This is interesting because when you look at the 1.05 analysis video you see that the developer opts for a fixed resolution of 1080p in quality mode and 900p in performance mode. While on the surface these numbers seem lower than the DRS range of the base PS5, it is also important to note that the the Pro version is significantly more stable and holds to the 30fps and 60fps target better than the base PS5. It is also important to note that when you watch that 1.05 video DF says that the ambient occlusion setting is higher using the 1.05 patch. So it's reasonable to assert that the game is running better than the base PS5 and using higher settings. Now let's address the flickering issue which was a problem using the 1.05 patch. Again going back to that first analysis video DF notes of the base PS5 version that the game has flickering in both modes using TSR. This is important because it shows that the flickering was not introduced by patch 1.05 and subsequently was not caused by PSSR. So even if the game was using PSSR, PSSR couldn't be the cause of an issue that existed before it was being used. If anything patch 1.05 made the flickering more noticeable but according to DF it was very noticeable in the base PS5 version, so take that information however you want. At any rate, if you look at the video describing the 1.06 patch you will see that DF says that they fixed the flickering by reverting back to the TRX solution of the base PS5 in the performance mode but not the quality mode. This is important because we see in the 1.05 patch video that DF does an unpatched performance mode comparison between the game in a completely unpatched state to the game with the 1.05 patch. In this comparison video the unpatched game is running the DRS of the base PS5 version with no increased ambient occlusion, and yet here in the 1.06 patch they mention that the game is running at a higher resolution than the fixed 900p of patch 1.05 (they mention 1008p) but also that the Lumen GI is less aggressive across both base PS5 and PS5 pro. This would suggest that they cannot have simply reverted back to base PS5 settings with patch 1.06 because the game is still using the fixed resolution of patch 1.05 and the software RT GI is now softer on base PS5 and PS5 pro. Where things get interesting is in the claim that PSSR is the cause of the games image quality issues. The first thing that jumps out is the fact that bloober is implementing its PS5 patches and PC patches with single updates, meaning that the 1.05 patch and the 1.06 patch are the same across all platforms the game is on. The question here is why would Bloober have an addition like PSSR in a patch for PC, or even for base PS5. Again it's important to note that according to DF both modes use TSR on base PS5 at launch. What is interesting here is that nowhere in Blobbers patch notes does it even mention PSSR, and the oddity here is that PSSR is Sony's new AI upscaler and they have had this thing plastered on every game that uses it, except this one. Not only that, but the expectation of belief here is that Bloober stealth patched in PSSR and Sony didn't put it on a marquee like they've done every other game that uses PSSR, then they stealth removed it....but only for the performance mode. The reason I bring this up is because it's created alot of confusion around what is and what isn't a PS5 pro enhancement patch. You see Sony's own HFW and HZD remaster don't use PSSR and we see it again here with Fortnite (a UE5 title) ....so it's possible to have the PS5 pro enhanced label without use of PSSR. So the million dollar question is... "what is more likely"....they had a bug in the original TSR solution on Pro caused by making adjustments to the ambient occlusion and setting the resolution to a fixed 900p and they fixed this issue with the 1.06 patch for the performance mode which is in line with why Sony made the PS5 pro in the first place (for the 75% of players who choose performance mode over quality mode in games) ....OR..... that they stealth patched in PSSR and then removed it but only for the performance mode. What's interesting is that if you've actually followed this post....you will have likely noticed that the DRS range of the base PS5 is substantially higher than the fixed 1080p resolution in the quality mode only. Which is odd considering that the performance mode has been going up in base rendering resolution and perhaps what DF is describing as PSSR ruining the image quality of the quality mode is simply the fixed resolution from TSR being lower than what it was on base PS5.

[@lawnmanGman]

it takes alot of code to redo everything for tensor operations, dunno why im explaining

[@richardfranklin6003]

Just smart usage of resources. TSR is purpose built for Unreal 5 and here it is being utilized by the developer of Unreal 5. Makes far more visual sense to use the hardware resources to boost base resolution and implement hardware RT here.

[@bensunnyisaac]

Is that the Hyperblast soundtrack I hear at the beginning? I love UT2004 and UT1999! ♥️

[@Fusion05]

@Digital Foundry Hello guys not sure if anyone will see this but I did want to share something with you. It may be worth doing a follow-up now that Chap6 is out. On base PS5 I'm seeing character reflections even though Hardware RT isn't there to my understanding. Is it a screenspace blend with the Lumen to fake a few things? Or did epic change how lumen reflections work. I've tested on PC and only get the same effect woth HRT but don't think the Regular PS5 could handle it at 20fps. Most of the vid seems to hold up but the comparison between the 2 is different now.

[@wrong1189]

UT99 - Deck 16 OST? Always a like from me and I know its gon be a good vid.

[@MsSoulBlader]

THIS is the video I've been waiting for!

[@donloder1]

thumbnail almost gave me a heart attack, felt like my blood was going somewhere

[@Anything.is.Possible]

Yikes! 120hz mode is a must. With no difference glad I didn’t purchase the new Pro version 😊

[@StreetPreacherr]

Are the EXLUSIVELY on 'BlueSky''? lol

[@TheAuthoritarian_Band]

You should do another video already. The new season is out, and they have once again raised the bar. It's simply epic.

[@2psah2]

You can say what you want about Fortnite. But it did something no other game did. And visual wise, it looks pretty amazing.

[@Tyler-hs9eu]

As much as I dislike fortnite. It has the capability to be a foundation to be more than it is now. A world with hubs for different experiences, racing/shooting/creating etc where there is overlap of seasons and how they can use world events to affect each hub within its world.

[@MrOkirikO]

They're the Same Picture

[@iiTzXDXDXD]

Hoping you’ll do to a review on the Pro versions for Apex Legends and The Finals

[@POLAR_BAR]

I don’t care, they should give us the option if we want to use the PSSR.

[@NeoncloudFF]

This has me so amped to see how Chapter 6 looks with all these Pro enchantments!!!

[@9klincoln]

pretty cool

[@B_Machine]

I would have liked to see nanite in the 120 fps mode to limit shadow pop in and make bushes look better.

[@NextgenPL]

Sometimes no difference sometimes night and day differece 11:35 - 11:45... Greetings from Kielce 😅😅😅

[@abhirupsingh4004]

Unreal tournament music. I dig it 😊

[@flowermoon...]

i'm poor ps5 amateur user

[@tomkirbygreen]

Fascinating video Alex. Fortnite is not really my game of course but I’ll spin this up on the Pro this weekend and have a look-see as I’m very interest in the rendering fidelity.

[@delatomvione9943]

I hate the way that this game gets all the attention and love from epic, meanwhile they don't even want to try fixing their stuttery Nanite implementation for other games. Edit: Before you start judging me, please watch Threat Interactive's Why Nanite Tanks Performance video.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

The two things are related! Mamy of UEs issues stem PRECISELY FROM Epic's focus on Fortnite!

[@ambro2786]

That’s not epics fault it’s the individual devs fault you dolt they choose which form of an engine to use

[@Markie_SC]

How is it epics fault how completely separate dev teams work on their engine? lol

[@delatomvione9943]

@@Markie_SC re-read my comment.

[@General_M]

It’s literally their test and showcase game for UE5.

[@eysan90]

Man this just makes me more excited for the ps6. We’ll have 4k60 with raytracing more often. And PSSR should be much better by then.

[@Gustaviustwinkelberry]

Famous last words

[@navpreetsingh8156]

Damn I might have to get my binoculars out for this one

[@bdgrey]

Don't bother. You won't notice anything substantial staring at a highly compressed KZbin video, but you already know this.

[@xDJTrump]

@@bdgreyoh yeah the classic ‘YT compression’ excuse 😬

[@VariantAEC]

​@@bdgrey The differences in RT reflections are pretty obvious here on YT even at 360p... ON KZbin ON A PHONE!

[@bdgrey]

@@xDJTrump It's not an excuse. Slow down any KZbin video and just look for all the screen tearing alone. Compression also lowers the resolution of videos significantly at higher resolutions. 4k videos are lowered by around 40-50%. Play a game on a really nice TV and then watch that same game on KZbin. It's very very noticeable.

[@bdgrey]

@ Yes, completely different reflections are not the same thing as analyzing texture differences in a 4k recording rendered in a compressed video

[@sklynexd]

But what about 120hz mode??

[@Yojizu]

I paused on the split-screen "PS5 vs. PS5 Pro" comparison at 0:32 to try to see if I could spot what the actual differences are, and all I've got is that there's a few more shadows in the grass and the trees. I'm watching this in 4K, on a 55-inch 4K TV, and even putting my face right up to the screen I cannot see any other differences. Probably not gonna spend the $880 US that a PS5 Pro costs in my country.

[@alex1212456]

Congratulations

[@UltramarineDad]

You have to see in person to get it. You can’t get it on KZbin .

[@ADRzone]

So they zoom in for those watching on their phones, yet you on a 4k 55" couldn't spot the difference. 🤔 Ok so let me see if I can explain the modern era of graphics... - Think of a white bright shirt, if I go and take a dropper and drop 3 black drops on the shirt, one in the dead center, another one on the front left and right side of the shoulders, would you still notice the difference between that tainted shirt vs one that has not been tainted? Now let's zoom into the shirt on the spots and see the differences, and then zoom out, you may still say, well the differences are so miniscule they don't matter, but when you look at the whole shirt, it does stick out like a sore thumb. With graphics is the same way, when you look at the whole picture with your own eyes (not thru KZbin) you will be able to notice the differences, if you are ok with the 3 black drops on your bright white shirt, then u are good, but the many do notice it. Graphics have reach a level where it will only be drops of black, where the picky will only notice, and those "graphic blind" (like those color blind) will not be able to spot sharper images, less flickers, jaggy edges, ect... Those graphic blind people will be happy with their PS5 for the rest of their lifes, the rest, will eventually upgrade to the PS6 and beyond.

[@tbunreall]

It's a wide open scene without much going on, there isn't going to be much of a difference.

[@UltramarineDad]

@ yeah 30-40 frames extra makes no difference 😂

[@WeeGeeX]

Really sad this became outdated, would love a patch clip with quick over view of chapter 6 and its changes. I noticed shader pre comp on pc

[@juanrubio6132]

Do Resident Evil 4 Remake

[@vincevirtua]

*please

[@FUBARx89]

RE4 seems to be running RE4 in resolution and performance modes using base PS5 settings. HFR mode seems to use PSSR (rip Pro owners without a 120hz VRR display). Uplift in framerate with hair strands & RT.

[@juanrubio6132]

@@FUBARx89 bummer. so there's is no visual improvement? Wow.

[@FUBARx89]

Doesn't look that way to me. Ray tracing could be improved I guess. But I never really noticed the ray tracing on base PS5.

[@juanrubio6132]

@@FUBARx89 I thought It would looked sharper like high settings on a PC not only a bump in performance. I was thinking on selling my PS5 get PS5 Pro for that reason. Because this is my favorite game of all time. I think I am just going to save money to get a decent PC.

[@seanmclaughlin9636]

Did Hardware Lumen get switched on for base PS5 with upgrade to Unreal engine 5.5 with Chapter 6 release?

[@Eagle100]

0:35 right in the feels :)

[@B_Machine]

It would be really cool to get an engineer from epic to come on the show and discuss various decisions they made selecting the settings for the various consoles.

[@Darth_Zabrak]

The differences seemed so minimal on my ps5 pro i was under the impression that they hadnt implemented the pro upgrade yet. I hope they do more with it

[@thisguysgaming7246]

The ps5 pro should’ve been called the ps5 super slim and be 500 bucks…. They never upgraded the cpu and just slightly over clocked the gpu. Wow guys I get 2 more fps than base ps5 that must mean I’m better rtx4090. Like no the 4090 gets like 300 fps on native settings console is so filled with Ai upscaling has a 1440p fog effect to hide all the NOT NATIVE 4K WHEN THEY SAY ITS 4K. Ps5 pro can’t even do more than 120 it’s literally capped at 120fps because of Sony. They so badly wanna sell that ps6 in 2 years.

[@Darth_Zabrak]

@@thisguysgaming7246 well then, ive got a ps5 pro, and its been great

[@rudytay83]

Better raytracing bigger gpu, not faster from 36 cu to 60, and more memory ,10% boost on the cpu

[@eugkra33]

I would like to have seen some performance comparisons vs some AMD GPUs. Like an underclocked 7800xt to the same 2300mhz, or a stock 7700xt.

[@zaidebtw4438]

Why tf would I care about Fortnite graphics when I’m in ranked?

[@urmomma2688]

Better question: Why should everything be done for you to care about it in the first place?

[@DBTHEPLUG]

By that logic, you should've went with a PC and played your competitive game on a 1080p 540hz monitor with the lowest settings and internal resolution possible. Which sane person is competitive minded but plays at 4K anyways?

[@colemin2]

​@DBTHEPLUG I suppose those 4k 240hz monitors are for the casuals still.

[@DBTHEPLUG]

​@@colemin2 Why are you mentioning a monitor that barely can be utilized by a PC with a RTX 4090. Actual professional competitive players use that 4090 to play at 1080p 540hz, not 4K 240hz. I'm personally at 4K 144hz, but I'm not a competitive player.

[@escape209]

True. It's funny how this supposedly best-case example of PS5 Pro's improvements are in a game where raw resolution and, above all, framerate are what matter.

[@MoonlyScorpio]

yall should try this again for the next season as its coming back with the more enhanced graphics

[@thomask2416]

I play no build mode at 120fps on the pro. Curious if there is any more enhancements when the next update kicks off tomorrow

[@denhawken]

Up to devs.. and whwn and what they update

[@kingeling]

>Unmodifiable graphics presets >Forced upscaling >120 fps cap in a competitive game Console chips are still a waste of sand lmao

[@lawnmanGman]

i have a 240hz screen, really no need for over 100 unless you play fps games, imagine still playing that slop

[@kingeling]

@@lawnmanGman And you spent money on a 240Hz display to play games at sub-100 frame rates?

[@mitchellbrinkerdp]

people be like “imagine playing fortnite lol” then go play their anime catgirl dating sims.

[@Wobbothe3rd]

Millions more people play Fortnite than make commemrs on social media. It's among the most popular games on Earth at any given second.

[@aaxel_dz]

“fortnite is bad lol” *proceeds to play genshin impact*

[@steelyeyes9190]

Sure lol

[@kingoftherevolution4855]

12:40 ray tracing artifacts are the most distracting thing to me, and they are clearly visible and hard to ignore in both of these. look at the trail being left behind by the pickaxe. I don't think games look better enough than they did during 8th gen to justify this. the weaknesses and errors related to other lighting techniques might just be easier to ignore because we've had them in all kinds of games for way longer, but they can be pretty bad too.

[@yumo]

9:22 I have witnessed moving vehicles in reflections on a base PS5.

[@thizguy519]

They said that epic lowered resolution and turned down raytracing on base ps5 because of power consumption problems. Pretty dumb if you ask me make it an option that's also why it looked way better back then

[@josemane9168]

I remember when they first added ray tracing to Fortnite it looked beautiful on my c2 LG oled

[@yumo]

@@thizguy519 yes but just to be clear, I'm saying moving vehicles are present in reflections on base PS5 today. Not sure if all game modes get it but at least the creative map I frequent does. Hope DF adds an errata

[@what-di3vb]

it seems as though in the new Chapter 6 Season 1 update has made it so that a PS5 Amateur gets hardware ray tracing. not sure if it’s to the same degree as pro but characters, people, cars and more are now reflected and are usually more accurate. must be engine optimizations?

[@travishuffman6203]

The first descendant please !!

[@SteebFighter]

Awesome review

[@tirshtain]

You gotta be a madman to play on anything but performance mode

[@gametime4316]

i never knew SW lumen have so many defects compared to HW lumen....

[@cctv2500]

Stutter Engine 5 will never be fixed...

[@juanrubio6132]

Every time I hear a game is being made in UE5 I instantly assume it is cheaply made and low quality. That's why the new games of CDPR don't interest me anymore.

[@Chibicat2024]

UE 5 is the Costco of engines, serviceable but meh

[@MrKnaives]

Thats a pc problem.

[@MrKnaives]

​@juanrubio6132 Yeah, cuz the engine dictates if a video game is good or not.

[@juanrubio6132]

@@MrKnaives yes.

[@jmarco335]

Hw ray tracing is cool and all but sony should still put a policy where games on pro sholdnt go bellow 60fps

[@MrMeanh]

I really hate how RT makes so many games look "noisy", "fizzly" and unstable. Add this to TAAu/FSR/DLSS from a way too aggressive "base" resolution and you have destroyed any kind of IQ the game might have had.

[@easyDoes1T85]

Fortnite don’t miss 😎

[@iurysza]

I cant see any difference on the initial split screen shots. Officially consider me a boomer

[@Wobbothe3rd]

This is youtube, the difference is obvious to anyone on a real display.

[@wamba2097]

@@Wobbothe3rd You mean it's more obvious when playing it.

[@DoodleDonkey45]

I'll be honest, I have a ps5 pro and even I could barely tell the difference in this game comparing it to the video 😅like its there, but when i was playing it, there was genuinely a period of time where i was wondering if it was patched at all. I guess its a lot harder to notice these changes in a competitive shooter when you are trying to not get blasted in the face lol. However I am still happy the game has been improved in someway for those who can notice and appreciate changes like this

[@Relex_92]

@@DoodleDonkey45 What do you expect from "up to 45% higher performance" and more like 30% in practice. If you are familiar with Graphics settings and PC hardware you know that ~30-35% is basically like nothing. it allows you to change one or two demanding settings up a notch. Maybe a few FPS more and that's it. You want at least 100% more performance for a really meaningful upgrade. And even then it will just double the framerate while keeping the exact same settings. So if you had 30 FPS with medium settings and upscaling before, even 100% higher performance will only give you 60 FPS while still using medium settings and still using the same upscaling setting. With hardware you have to think in exponential growth. Not low double digit gains. It's no more than a drop in the ocean...

[@vinniethegreat9645]

@@Relex_92 lol @ 30-35% performance gain is nothing. People upgrade all the time in PC gaming for that amount. While not an earth shattering difference a %35 improvement in performance is a lot more than "a drop in the ocean" and is not something to dismiss. And we aren't going to see exponential growth growth in hardware anymore. Processors have fallen behind Moore's law since around 2010.

[@raptorrex]

Lumen and nanite on 120hz mode would be pretty cool

[@samuelselassie57]

yeah yeah the Xbox Series X also has hardware ray tracing and developers are not doing shit with it

[@jack_knife-1478]

Series x is too weak!

[@wanshurst2416]

the pro is below a 2080 Ti at RT performance. the series x is WAY worse. what do you expect?

[@FamilyGuyFAN44YT]

​@wanshurst2416 that's the base ps5. The pro woth ray tracing is on par with a 3070 or 4070super

[@samuelselassie57]

@@FamilyGuyFAN44YT you must be really blind to compare the PS5 Pro to 3070 or 4070super

[@FamilyGuyFAN44YT]

​@samuelselassie57 the gpu is on par with a 3070 or 4070 super it's using most rdna 3 n parts of rdna 4 which ain't even out on pc yet.

[@jayp4838]

One of the issues in which I think that Sony is going to get the last laugh is in the case of Silent Hill 2 because machine learning as I've come to realize is taking time to learn the individual game. I put in Red Dead Redemption 2 and it was having huge frame rate drops and stuttering but after a hour of game play now it's running smooth and everything is crystal clear the PlayStation Pro is actually learning as it goes unfortunately people jump the gun on Silent Hill 2 for instance I believe. So I think they were having a problem because they expected to work perfectly as soon as they plug it in but as I've come to learn it's taking time to learn hence the phrase machine learning upscaler. Now I could be wrong but like I said I played Red Dead Redemption 2 it was having huge stuttering and framedrops and suddenly it just started working smooth after playing it about an hour or two hours and being that Red Dead Redemption 2 is one of the most graphically intense games of our time I think the PlayStation was stuttering because it was learning and until it learned it, it had problems and people need to reevaluate this because there's no way that that just went away by itself unless what I'm saying is the case and it would explain Sony's silence in the face of all these criticisms they're just waiting to unveil the fact that nope sorry you're not giving the games enough time and it's not having a chance to develop its learning capabilities.

[@jayp4838]

Yeah definitely confirmed when I was in a barren landscape it was stuttering tremendously. Now I am traveling through Saint Denis and it is resolving with no stuttering whatsoever. If it was like when i first popped the game into my PS5 Pro this could not possibly be the case. I wish I could have captured this experience because I'm sure nobody will believe me. It's 100% true though. Because I was even starting to worry that I wasted my money until I seen this.

[@jayp4838]

Now I'm traning it on Mafia DE. Then onto The Callisto Protocol. Then No Man's Sky.