Elizabeth Holmes Defends Theranos Amid Media Scrutiny At Fortune's Global Forum | Fortune

The CEO sits down with Fortune's Alan Murray to discuss setbacks the company has had concerning its blood tests.
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[@AxlWRose-sk4ln]

If you can’t convince them, confuse them.

[@mazhar-4465]

Axl.W. Rose hahahaha

[@stephanierobinson3887]

Axl.W. Rose So funny.....My though exactly.

[@textech4056]

If you cant dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with bullshit..!!!

[@leahdesmondart]

Axl.W. Rose yeeeaaahhhh, but you kind of have to be well educated or at least well read to make that work... Hahahaha I don’t know who would listen to this and trust her.

[@textech4056]

@@leahdesmondart Men..:) Something kind of sexy about her...honestly..:)

[@SuperAaron99]

*Takes a freshman level course in chemical engineering and drops out* “I’m an engineer”

[@BaliMystic]

SuperAaron 99 I don’t believe claiming that you are an engineer is illegal in the US since I don’t think it is a reserved title. In Canada, this is illegal and known as usurpation of title since engineer is a reserved title like claiming you are a medical doctor or a lawyer

[@MikePhalin]

And no one called her out on it at the time. Had she held some sort of certification she could get away with that label. Hell, she could have taken a NICET exam to at least back that up, even if it had nothing to do with medicine.

[@hmartinspliff]

She identifies as an engineer. Like a man can identify as a woman and vice versa stemming from a belief in gender fluidity......Elizabeth Holmes believes in qualifications fluidity.

[@jeffpotts6187]

@@BaliMystic No, with the exception of software, calling yourself an "engineer," with no previous work experience, and no bachelor's degree is a fraud. The difference is the fact that they could be sued as part of a civil action, but not a criminal infraction. Software is different as there are old hands like me who have been plying that trade for decades without a specific degree. Plus, software is so loosey-goosey with titles that calling yourself a "software engineer," holds about as much weight as claiming you're the CEO of a company that employs one person: you.

[@yamingoat]

@@BaliMystic i dont think its illegal in the US but there is still a difference between a real engineer and someone who knows alot about engineering. I dont know about other americans but i certainly would not consider someone to be an engineer unless they had a degree in some sort of engineering field, which she does not.

[@nicolehuber5522]

How do people say, she is charismatic? She seems so creepy to me...

[@CepheiVV]

This is because you're biased. You do know she's lying.

[@TheCrossPearls]

Nicole Huber and goofy, at the same time.

[@vikramg346]

the worst part is seeing a women who try to be like a man even in gestures(yeeewwww). fake women. women doesnt have to be like a man to be successful( real world example is gwynn shotwell of spacex)

[@karltheman266]

@@CepheiVV not at all, Elizabeth's public speaking skills are underwhelming. I also struggle to reconcile the supposed irresistible charisma with the reality of this video. Very average indeed. She surely must have many qualities to have made it so far but charisma is not one of them. Ability to be factual either. Brings home how easily impressionable people are. Former politicians, company CEO's and high ranking military officials all fell for it and invested heavily... The scammers have a bright future ahead...

[@tgwnn]

To me too, but I can't know how I would have reacted to her at the time. I only heard of her after the whole thing went down so my perception definitely changed due to that.

[@adampryor4662]

She is a perfect example of someone who can talk a lot without saying a damn thing

[@dannnsss8034]

No. Camala Harris is the master

[@JazzyUte]

@@dannnsss8034 Who is Camala Harris?

[@1sandinista]

Architects are the same way. They speak archibabble and don't say a damn thing.

[@A_C2215]

Aquarius energy

[@NKJ047]

She must be related to Sam bankman-FRAUD

[@gohstdog23]

Her B.S. response method: Q. "Are you hungry?" A. " some of the brightest minds and phenomenal people are not hungry because they've looked towards food ."

[@SamShowedUp]

😂 straight up

[@gohstdog23]

@@SamShowedUp 🙏😂

[@nehasingh-eg6bi]

Bro you got me😂😂😂

[@gohstdog23]

@@nehasingh-eg6bi 😁👑🙏

[@nessaymyname4902]

Sheldon answered

[@cheechalker8430]

Listen - she had a lot on her plate She had to figure out not only how to make all of Theranos’ claims true, she also had to remember to speak in a low voice All day long It’s not easy being that crazy

[@phyllisfoster6589]

Indeed🤪😅

[@waynemarshall439]

It would be exhausting!

[@KaiatheSiberianHusky]

She forgot at the end to keep her voice low, lol.

[@ArtificialSoul]

Also her wide open stare which made her eyes red of bleeding

[@gibbogle]

While knowing that the shit was just about to hit the fan.

[@itsbunessa]

Her way of speaking is like trying desperately to reach the page limit on an essay

[@larslover6559]

Haha. Funny

Exactly

[@captainswan3079]

🤣🤣 True

[@quentinpeltier6763]

Page minimum lol

[@R.a.t.t.y]

But she does what we all do to increase the number of pages - change the text size. For Elizabeth that increases the size to baritone and it worked.

[@mike8055]

What's mindblowing is that her company had 700 employees at one point? WTF were they all doing when she was masterminding this huge scam?!

[@ytzpilot]

Solitaire?

[@blablablabla4236]

They had to pay each expert a salary or hourly wage. And I’m guessing it wasn’t minimum wage. What a freakin waste of money..

[@tristanrodenhauser5267]

They were running lab test the on the current tech and fudging numbers for Thernos tech

[@gang208]

If you amassed hundreds of millions from investors, you have to have a number of employees that make your company look legitimate, or people will get really suspicious of you. Most of those employees had no idea about the "secret technology". Only a handful knew the "secret" scam.

[@drewc771]

Only certain people had the positions and access to truly see what was actually happening. People tried to speak up and speak out, but Theranos bullied anyone who tried through litigation and threats. If you see the interviews of the guy who ended up being the whistleblower, he said that he could only do it because his family had the ability to afford the legal fees it took to defend against their corporate lawyers. He said he was forced to spend HALF A MILLION dollars in about 6 months. There were apparently several employees who had problems with what they saw and left, but going up against a billion dollar company that can basically ruin your life is just not something most of these people could afford to risk.

[@hulaGUNZ]

Teacher: "Elizabeth, what's the sum of 2 + 2?" Elizabeth : "What we are trying to do is reach a conclusion that can be put out into the public domain that gives the individual the right to chose the correct answer. I think that our proposed agenda incorporates a multitude of complex features that will create a positive experience for each user, that will undoubtedly leave them with the confidence that they will be able to make an informed choice."

[@JeremyHawkerGuitarStudio1]

Ok, you are getting sued for revealing trade secrets

[@nafnaf0]

ROFL, I hope she goes to jail for a long time

[@J-Kimble]

I respect your skills :D

[@linseybrownlie3680]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jaana944]

😂😂😂😂

[@carlrosa1130]

Interviewer: "Elizabeth, do you enjoy chewing gum?" Elizabeth: "Gum a is a soft, cohesive substance designed in order to be chewed without being swallowed. Modern chewing gum is composed of gum base, sweeteners, softeners/plasticizers, flavors, colors, and, typically, a hard or powdered polyol coating. Its texture is reminiscent of rubber because of the physical-chemical properties of its polymer, plasticizer, and resin components, which contribute to its elastic-plastic, sticky, chewy characteristics."

[@lakshmiu1841]

She'll make a good press secretary... wishy-washy word salad psycho.

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

Underrated comment

[@dewilew2137]

LOL!!! how do you know this much about gum? 😅

[@carlrosa1130]

@@dewilew2137 I'm a genius.

[@adiel7618]

Sir, can you help me with a term paper? 😆

[@ollie7459]

There is something unreal and unnatural about her, it's like watching a very humanlike looking robot try to act like a human, this is the vibe I get.

[@phyllisfoster6589]

God, you described my feelings EXACTLY!!

[@marimatsumoto372]

Agree! Everything about her is fake. And also what kind voice is that. Perhaps robot is trying to imitate human voice.

[@Jaywall1111]

She’s a demon

[@phyllisfoster6589]

@@Jaywall1111 Perfect description!!

[@Jaywall1111]

@@phyllisfoster6589 there is something very, verrrrry off about her. No normal person could be so evil and have no empathy for the ones they hurt. It’s just so creepy…it’s demonic!

[@yolandaponkers1581]

Doctors were literally saying that her claims were scientifically impossible because you couldn’t run hundreds of tests on a single drop of blood, yet companies were promoting her and publications were putting her on their covers. It’s pretty indicative of our anti-science issue, as well as believing what you want to hear over the facts.

[@michelleririn5075]

ja, that's very america and very western people indeed

[@ErnieKings27]

She is as fake as it can get from the voice and the looks but hey she is from a good American family so let’s help her! So it was the USA choosing to believe the lie because they loved that lie!

[@frankytanky5076]

It’s impossible anyway because human beings are insanely different and vary significantly anyway, this is why you work with a doctor for sometimes years to find out what a certain complication is. You can’t test anyone reliably on a one size fits all test like this.

[@FraBra88]

And the problem was not just tge quantity of blood vut the machine in itself....even with three vials of blood, iftge machine worjed, it would have been great. But it was all a fail 😱

[@jeanpierrebacry3097]

@@michelleririn5075 lol that's very "western people" you mean the civilization that invented the scientific method and made about evry single major scientific breakthroughs of the last 3 centuries

[@terencedoherty3049]

She is like a politician: she never answers the questions asked. It's like she wasn't even listening.

[@AlexeiRamotar]

Thought I was the only one who noticed it. She answers the question she wants to, not the ones asked.

[@badboymike859]

I came to a conclusion that only crooks get the funding and Investors to get far ahead. If you're a smart Crook, you get away. If you mess up as a Crook, I guess you go to prison. Moral of my comment is to be a Crook and you'll get far!

[@wajabi]

She has a deep voice. Sounds like a tuba

[@MrJamberee]

"We need to do a better job of communicating" is what Obama said when he was caught in lies. Because the people are too stupid to understand.

[@metamorphicorder]

If youve ever talked with schizophrenic people its similar. Its like they arent ever having the same conversation with you that you are with them.

[@Pro2eus]

The fake deep voice makes her sound like a teenager trying to convince the bouncer they're definitely old enough to get in

[@ShinkuGouki]

I don't think she knows how obvious it sounds

[@mayasudac6232]

@@ShinkuGouki ik 😒

[@cambodianriverpig7613]

LOL

[@Jade-vx9lw]

😂😂😂

[@ratty1979]

McLovin

[@johnnietokyo3711]

The gestures, the word salad, the grandiosity and the unabashed bullshit are simply breathtaking.

[@johnnietokyo3711]

and of course we have the Fortune journalist here here, trying to salvage what little credibility they have left. Pathetic Looks like a salted gold mine. I'm reminded of Bre-X

[@balfour82snow51]

Word salad,you piqued my interest

[@comment6864]

Yeah, definitely some steep pathology going on there

[@theamjolnir9641]

how she acquired $900 million is beyond me

[@comment6864]

@@theamjolnir9641 ..and that is ... NOT her fault

[@Thornspyre81]

In the TedTalk, it's almost embarrassing how much she tries to act like Steve Jobs. It's like a young teenager in their room emulating their idol.

[@bobbym3155]

Doubting Thomas it’s all so calculated. The way she leans in and slouches her back. The hand movements. The furrowed brow. It

[@MistressGlowWorm]

She’s copied his mechanisms.

[@linkinparkrulz2275]

It's a simulacrum of Steve Jobs without any actual practical ideas.

[@g0679]

Doubting Thomas As a teen, I tried to imitate Rip Taylor.

[@James_Bowie]

Memo from the cemetery: After Holmes' performances, Steve Jobs wants to change his name.

[@oldman5442]

She couldn't fool a middle school chemistry teacher but she raised 9 billion.. 😂😂

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

No raised around $900 M.

[@lpr5269]

Well it's called greed. Basically there is nothing going on revolutionary right now and the Real Estate market is in the shit can, so what hope is there to make an extraordinary return on investment. All these investors were super wealthy people, so it's basically a tax write off. It's kind of like feeling sorry for Tom Brady for not winning a 7th Super Bowl.

[@DKN808]

$9B was a valuation of the company. Walgreens deal was $140M, then shit hit the fan.

[@cokechang]

Well, it’s always easy to spot the liar after the fact, but at that moment, she was being propped as the female Steve Jobs, people let their imaginations ran wild

[@oldman5442]

@Gord Orvis great point

[@ericdew643]

"I'm an enginee..." No, she is NOT an engineer.

[@camplethargic8]

+Harrison Brown Did Steve Jobs or Bill Gates claim to be engineers? Maybe Ms. Holmes "will make a bigger impact on humanity's use of technology and science" than all of us KZbin commenters, maybe not. Until there's a body of evidence, skepticism is warranted.

[@ericdew643]

Actually Bill Gates was very much a programmer. He did a lot of coding and was the lead code reviewer until other aspects of running Microsoft took up too much of his time. Jobs was not a tech person by any means. But he hired and partnered with engineers. And whether you like or dislike Apple products (then or now), they weren't built or designed to save lives, as Theranos claims to do.

[@camplethargic8]

+Harrison Brown I interpreted Eric Dew's initial comment to mean Elizabeth Holmes is not a licensed engineer, though she claims to be an engineer in the video. When you countered by pointing out that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates weren't formally trained engineers, and that this suggests the term "engineer" is too narrowly defined, I thought it was germane to point out that Jobs and Gates made their contributions without claiming (to my knowledge) to be engineers, in contrast to Ms. Holmes. The key point of Eric Dew's opener wasn't whether Ms. Holmes has talent sufficient to be considered an engineer in-all-but-the-formal sense, but whether one may accurately refer to oneself as an engineer, if indeed one is not licensed as such. I agree with your point that formal training and licensing isn't the sole measure of talent in engineering, nor many other fields. But, do you see how proclaiming a designation (like "engineer") that is generally understood to imply formal training and licensing, is worthy of a call to account in this context? Would you similarly defend a skilled EMT, who has saved many lives, referring to herself in interviews as a medical doctor, despite no medical degree, and no license? Given the current controversy that surrounds Theranos includes possible deception, I can understand why Eric Dew contradicted Elizabeth Holmes's loose self-proclaiming the "engineer" descriptor. However, I cannot fathom where Mr. Dew was headed with his follow-up comment.

[@camplethargic8]

+Harrison Brown My skepticism is toward your wager on Ms. Holmes's big impact on humanity, not the merits of Theranos technology, per se.

[@shininglamb]

According to the definition of engineer, anyone who comply with that definition is an engineer. So she is right, if she is "a person who designs, builds, or maintains engines, machines, or public works."..But is she got an engineering degree?. Thats another case.

[@itsakeith6702]

She said here she is an engineer.....he should have stopped her right there and reminded her she dropped out if school within first one or two semesters.

[@ideasarebulletproof6936]

So true.

[@cheerp7313]

What an insult to real engineers who labored long years of study, research and practice to be called “engineers”.

[@damesaphira9790]

She got away with this crap because of worthless reporters that allowed it.

[@krislv9219]

@@damesaphira9790 bingo…and this guy was one of them. He was too soft on her imo

[@ginasmith5464]

@@krislv9219 of course most of those investors invested big money in her company , they also own the news and paper .

[@merlelybird2726]

What I take away from all of this is....Dont start a business based on science if youre not a scientist.

[@ferociousgumby]

Dig this phony-baloney promotional shot of phony Elizabeth in a phony lab in a phony lab coat!kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYWyZXV-rbubm5Y

[@conniemarie8702]

Exactly. All she had was an idea. The idea didnt work so she lied and made up fake cosigns by big companies. The only way she lasted so long is because of her blonde hair, blue eyes, and white skin, and... Being a woman. She's a liar with no experience. Just a regular person.

[@paulinekim6455]

"I am an engineer". What a bullshit. "Our technology changes the world". Such a hillarious, fake statement.

[@robertnewzealand]

@@ferociousgumby Does it have " *I dont' really care, do u* ?" written on the back? :)

[@johniii8147]

No actually the point is don’t do business with a con artist

[@bonneymac38]

She said “I’m an engineer” - no she’s not - she only attended 1 semester of college. She’s nothing

[@77-ty7gb]

Well she ran a 9 billion dollar company. So she was something.

[@bonneymac38]

@@77-ty7gb no she didn’t - she swindled, lied and had a product that never worked

[@k95channel]

@@77-ty7gbNo she is just a liar. As a scientist myself, I say that but you don’t need to be a scientist to tell that a lot of claims that she makes is fishy or unrealistic.

[@richardpearce4988]

@@77-ty7gb She ran a 9 billion dollar fraud, so yes she was something, a convicted career criminal who didn't earn an honest dollar in her life.

[@MistressGlowWorm]

She’s going to fry her vocal cords with that fake baritone.

[@cubesanthony720]

Yes Elizabeth ,, What A joker A fool , probably A Demon.. Sad So , false.

[@MikePhalin]

She probably had to gargle between every interview and swallow a few gallons of honey.

[@MistressGlowWorm]

Mike Phalin The opposite (Mariah Carey) is proof positive. In Mariah’s case, she frequented the Whistle Register. While she could achieve those notes, doing so repeatedly over time caused immeasurable wear that manifests in the form of nodules. Holmes will do the same, and as long as she tries to keep up this act, she too will experience vocal nodules. That’s my guess. I imagine when she gets out of the pokie we will all find out if she is still using that baritone and her voice cracks each time she tries to reach those notes.

[@nicholaschong92]

As I listen throughout the video, I felt less annoyed whenever she is speaking at natural tone.

[@jketfield]

Elizabeth von Hillmann Margaret Thatcher did the same to be taken more seriously

[@glasshalffull8471]

"I'm an Engineer".....Good For You,I'm An Astronaut,It's Awesome!!

[@theveganvillainess]

Same lol 😅

[@martinsparrow150]

I'm a maleacolagist check that

[@martinsparrow150]

Malacolagist

[@Billy-dj8zw]

I am cleopatra. No, better yet, I am Napoleon.

[@quelgirl3778]

I am a model

[@jasonwong7140]

I'm a doctor not because I went to Med school but because I read WebMD when I'm feeling sick

[@sophyhem]

Lol

[@MzClementine]

Pubmed is better. 🥴👌🏻

[@oscarfun100]

I'm a starship captain. Since I'm watching Star Trek.

[@junepassingthrouthegate8810]

Hahaha

[@vsfulton]

I’m a historian because I watch the history channel

[@handywoman840]

I love how when she says ' I am not a PR person ' he theatrically registers amazed disbelief. It's a hilarious moment. PR person is all she is.

[@beaniefanatic5627]

i think at that moment he realizes how full of shit she actually is. Then he buries her even more with showing the Ted Talk.

[@pete6705]

Ya, she kept trying to say she’s mainly a scientist and engineer. But when the investigations started she completely flipped on that, and said she was just the CEO that was selling the dream, and didn’t know what the lab people were doing

[@lononaut]

I’m still trying to figure out how a dropout considers herself an “engineer.”

[@Namal23]

@@pete6705

[@rmwtsou]

She can speak volumes without actually saying anything. She should have gone into politics and perhaps be a President.

[@daviddacus8168]

rmwtsou we’d all be screwed in that case

[@Deedee-]

she said she wants to be a billionaire then marry a president not be a president

[@amaripoole4847]

Why would u wish thar evil on us? 😂

[@blackdivine6762]

She's alot like trump.

[@easystreet1888]

After she gets off Scott free that may be her next goal.

[@akikolehmainen88]

She has carefully learnt a set of general answers that she applies to any possible question.

[@r824077]

Actually, that very impressing

[@greenjupiter]

True

[@mrasmussen90]

While this whole story is semi entertaining, scandalous, and definitely grabs people’s attention because it’s so wild... don’t forget that there were actual patients that got screwed over by Theranos. I don’t know how she can live with herself claiming that she’s “helping people and empowering people to have access to healthcare”. It’s absolutely horrible what she did.

[@pranavwani2509]

stealing money from rich is the only thing that i like about her.

[@tag7592]

She's nursing her ego which is most important, forget morality or anything remotely ethical. She's nuts!

[@lxvlx]

She probably sleeps like a baby at night. Always has, always will. Her mental makeup is categorically different from a typical person, it's kinda obvious.

[@comment6864]

Absolute nonsense actually! Doctors go to school sometimes for almost a decade (like if they do subspecialties and fellowships) to learn to diagnose diseases, but she wanted to prove that worthless

[@ed8329]

and innocent people who lost millions

[@lellen1986]

Pretty soon I’m gonna interview her on how to maintain a fake voice for so long.

[@kalenanatalie5366]

lellen1986 hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha🙏🏼💯

[@SG-yt5ks]

it would be an interesting interview cause i really dont know how she was capable of this

[@herrwahnsinn4229]

Voice is trained. When I first started singing metal low I would get tired.

[@god563616]

😂😂🤣

[@804smiles]

Lol oh gawd i luv u 4 dis comment bc as im watching her talk im lookin at her throat and tryna figure out is she talkin like that does she think it makes her more distinguish smdh oh Elizabeth dear sweet sweet Elizabeth!!!! The lesbians gonna luv u in prison!!!!

[@Shermanbay]

It's extremely simple. Her claims are not only false, but blatantly so, fraudulent so. Her strength is not in development or research, but the ability to pathologically lie and cover-up fraud.

[@ferociousgumby]

It's quite entertaining and a little frightening to look at comments about her from several years ago. Everyone seems to have bought in. They thought she was beautiful, charismatic, "hot", and a genius to boot. They wanted to work for her. The SAME VIDEOS are provoking an opposite reaction now, anger and revulsion. There's something going on here we need to pay attention to. It isn't just building up and tearing down, as we do to our idols. She has an energy that is something akin to evil.

[@LaurentCardinal]

This. Even after the scandal has been made public, people still think she was had amazing charisma to be able to convince all those investors, partners and employees into Theranos. No... She just lied. Of course people are going to invest if you present them a game-changing technology, with actual data (that was faked).

[@lynnross7513]

Well said.

[@ChrisOrtegaCEO]

Interviewer: How are you? Elizabeth: Thank you for this question and sometimes as a leader I think about the job we are doing at Thernos to establish that our devices are FDA efficient from a comprehensive framework viewpoint. We made this possible through redefining & replacing it with cutting edge, proven and complete proprietary solutions. Let's talk about why this is so important and how our story is such a compelling organization that patients, investors and leading medical professionals standby. Together, we are revolutionary in our approach, committed to appropriately levels of confidence in our product, data and strategy. I'm proud to standby and help lead an organization focused on low care, availability and actionable insights that align to our mission. We are leading the charge by being proactive and transparent that starts from our board down to the strategic minds that help us transform the space.

[@ChrisOrtegaCEO]

Most people: 😳😳😳

[@Brancaalice]

What? 🤣😂

[@DanielArnolf]

Nice job, it's amazing how in PR dialect you can use 300, 500 words and say absolutely nothing, yet this template is so generic that it's applicable to any industry of your liking.

[@sadia2395]

😳🤯😨😵‍💫

[@jbg48]

The lying comes so easily to her. Clearly sociopathic.

[@TheBandit7613]

“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.”

[@gh4kr]

In retrospect, I'm either impressed by how she managed to pull this much off or by how many rich people can be fooled this easily.

[@Friendznco]

I mean it was at a point in Silicon Valley where multi-millionaires and billionaires were throwing cash at any idea that had weight. I'm sure the investors that lost money on this made 50 fold on other tech startups founded in the valley and had no real emotional connection to Theranos.

[@gh4kr]

@@Friendznco You make a good point, that amount of money is indeed like pocket change to these investors.

[@kg7227]

The latter, ie see Covid vaccine promises you’ll never get Covid. And by the way be sure and get the 49 boosters

[@theguy4355]

@@kg7227 never ever was it said you will never get covid after taking the vaccine. it was said if you get covid that your chances of being severely ill or even dying is severely decreased. you sound like Elizabeth Holmes

[@TheWefikus]

@@kg7227 lol you’re dumber than Elizabeth Holmes

[@ankitduttagupta97]

" I am an Engineer " - Starts with a lie to begin with.

[@yellowstone4087]

Ankit Duttagupta she never finished her degree.... She was drop out

[@GG-mk6pr]

@@yellowstone4087 She literally went to school 2 semesters. I don't know about you but as an engineering student...most of those first semesters are spent on general education and MATH AND MORE MATH. Not on what your major is...how can she even say, "I am an engineer" with a straight face. Its such an insult to everyone that sacrifices having a life during college as STEM majors.

[@NoreenHoltzen]

First they say you’re crazy, then they try to fight you, then you realise you are crazy.

[@larslover6559]

Shes trying so hard to be a Jobs or Bezos or Zuckerberg or a mix of them all.

[@BOBofGH]

The self-grandiosity of Jobs, the utter social ineptitude of Zuckerberg, and the greed of Bezos.

[@bey976]

You didn't have to say or so many times you could have just put a,

[@larslover6559]

@@bey976 its for effect..

[@thekornreeper]

Mix

[@Gwantsa368]

Lars Lover sad sight 🤦‍♀️ it’s a crime she was called a self-made female billionaire, when there are so many extraordinary females out there making real magic happen.

[@arcadiaenlightened6330]

she's hurting patients, scamming people and wasting everyone's time

[@lynnross7513]

So true. What a bloody waste of time!

[@dadecountess305]

She had a sugar daddy investor too. Another scammer

[@josieg624]

She deserves an Oscar for her acting. Look how many she fooled with her b.s. This guy just lets her roll over him. Astounding nobody seemed to see through it at the time.

[@dannnsss8034]

I did. I called it out 20 years ago but no one believed me

[@sparkydude6693]

Reminds me of Bernie Madoff.

[@omary2158]

I think he does a good job interviewing her. He asks right questions. Not too tough to scare her but not too soft to not have a meaning

[@jeffreyroedel9804]

At about 3:48-3:52, a hint of her real voice slips when she says "a tiny sample using proprietary Theranos technology..." Probably because she was having to focus really hard on her spin.

[@SmithCommaBenjamin]

Her voice slips many times. This woman is insane.

[@ExperimentalSurgeon]

oh shit I heard that too!

[@diegolara4202]

4:36 to 4:40 also.

[@blues_fan]

JEFFREY ROEDEL exactly. When she is not confident or thinking ( read lying) subconsciously she goes back to normal voice in her original voice. As soon as she understood this reporter bought her theory, she felt relieved and went back to fake voice.

[@atkey1000]

I heard it too

[@nosuchthing8]

Notice how she keeps reverting back to the talking point about rights and access to data. Ok, but does your device work?

[@Tblhockey]

nosuchthing8 this is fascinating. She has no idea what she’s talking about, and lying and dodging every question.

[@FrankGutowski-ls8jt]

nosuchthing8 In another venue, when asked (by Katie Couric) about what the innovation was, she said that small samples enabled the testing of small samples.

[@larazanz]

nosuchthing8 hey listen, you have the rights to inaccurate test results. It’s called democratising healthcare. What she was doing was revolutionary. In the past if you want to order your own blood work and get crappy results that could kill you, you had to fly into a Mexico and cross your fingers. Now, you could have the same life threatening, shitty results for a faction of the cost and effort. #nanotainers

[@phyllisfoster6589]

"No, it doesn't, but that's a minor point".

[@kentuky1233]

The "I'm an engineer' part always cracks me up.

[@kdbwiz]

1:13 Elizabeth: “I’m an engineer.” Reality: “I’m a 1st year college dropout.”

[@danyella2229]

I always thought I was stupid for not understanding what these CEOs and politicians were getting at and then I realized it's by design. Most are meant to confuse you so you can just trust them in their confidence.

[@pappi3]

Copy pasting a reply from a Reddit User "/u/meeblek" about Theranos. Do read it. Preface: I am a med tech and have managed a lab. This looks like bullshit. She's invented a marketing campaign for her lab. Her 'nano-tube' is the exact same thing that already exists, called a 'microtainer' made by BD. These get used in hospitals right now every day. Finger pricks also get done daily, usually on kids. Finger pricks are undesirable samples for the following reasons: 1) Manual manipulation ('milking') the blood out of the finger results in higher chances of hemolysis - which can render the results of many tests invalid. 2) Finger pricks have a higher volume of interstitial fluid in the sample, possibly skewing the results 3) Finger pricks take longer 4) Finger pricks actually hurt more than a needle 5) Finger pricks tend to clot in the tube, a big no-no for CBCs. Modern chemistry and hematology analyzers only use microlitre amounts of serum per test. Every day labs do full chemistry panels on microtainers of blood - so I'm not sure why her system is better. Now cost. I'm sure that in the US testing costs a lot more than in Canada (dat profit) but in my lab the cost of reagents to do a standard panel (electolytes (Na, K, Cl), glucose, kidney function (BUN, Creatinine), liver function (ALP, AST, ALT, Total Bilirubin), automated CBC) would be on the order of $4-6 (and this is in a fairly low volume lab). If a stat sample is delivered to me I can have results back in 15-20 minutes on any modern chemistry analyzer for the above mentioned tests. The reasons we take tubes with 'large' amounts of blood (I put 'large' in quotes because each tube holds about a teaspoon of blood, I could literally take 100s of them out before you'd feel the effects of blood loss) are: 1) It's a better sample - less recollections 2) We have extra in case there is a problem in analysis - less recollections 3) The Dr. can add on more tests if something comes back weird - less recollections 4) The Dr. can order immunoassays or esoteric testing that requires more volume - less recollections Are you seeing a pattern here? The lab does NOT want to be recollecting. It's a waste of your time and a waste of our time. Why not take extra that you're not going to miss in the first place instead of having to come back a second time? Unless she has some breakthrough testing methodologies that require significantly less blood than is currently used. And I don't think some Stanford dropout working in her garage is better able to develop these tests than multibillion dollar diagnostics companies. Trust me, if some company came along with an analyzer that required 10x less sample with no downsides, they would win the entire market and sell billions of dollars of reagents. Of course they'd be doing it if they could. She goes on about 'automated analysis' in her interview a bit, but labs are already HIGHLY automated. The trouble comes from shitty collections (fingerpricks) and shitty delivery times. She mentioned the problems of people not coming to get their bloodwork done because scared of needles - this is a problem, but its a pre-analytic problem that is not going to be solved with a new micro sampling technique. Bullshit.

[@1xDollyx1]

she probably just wants the fame

[@emilysimek7302]

Boom!

[@Raider1409]

It’s crazy how she talks and talks and talks around questions and never truly answers the questions asked of her. She is truly and pathological liar

[@DSC800]

She never answers a question either "yes" or "no" then with elaboration, she simply puts a bunch of words together. i've seen this ploy many times in my career but not, literally, every single question answered this way.

[@JustineAgada]

She should have gone into politics instead of healthcare, her lies and money are more suited to that.

[@TyWerks]

😭😂

[@weakbrainthrombosis]

Fun fact. Elizabeths proprietary technology was actually just an easy bake oven. It was named “Edison” as an homage to the light bulb based cooking system.

[@ezrc9294]

"Im an engineer" LMFAO she says it with a straight face too.

[@adt3739]

I was thinking the same thing, like whhhaatttt. You are delusional is what you are.

[@karensimons6313]

That constant nodding makes her look like a bobble-head figurine.

[@perspgold8945]

AFTER clarifying that she's NOT a pr person so now we're just saying dream things

[@jeepmap1]

Every time she is asked a question she has a magical way to start answering with a proposed sophisticated vocabulary of taking about absolute NOTHING! Im sure she has developed it by experience

[@phyllisfoster6589]

That's because she's a classic sociopath.

[@tamarak9393]

She’s a master at bullshit.

[@arnoldronald3044]

As an introvert, I envy those who could speak so much about basically nothing. I have a hard life as my speaking skills comprises of a very few words. Most people find me boring, so proportionally I have a few friends, who unfortunately happens to take advantage of my naivety. I wouldn't mind copying these ways of real life supervillains

[@daadirabbi]

She is an engineer? I'm the president of United States of the world

[@kritische3959]

United States of the world huh?

[@miscmail21A]

Congrats!😆

[@abhishekbal399]

You are Ric Flair

[@daadirabbi]

@@kritische3959 It's sarcasm.

[@westechmedia4567]

Yes, Mr President.

[@misswinnie4.8]

"I'm an ENGINEER." On what planet is she suddenly an engineer? She told this Lie in the first 5 minutes and he didn't call her on it.

[@encinobalboa]

Fortune never asked the money question: "Are your test results accurate?"

[@simster1001]

Because the guy who asked these questions is a complele moron. It is so obvious that he did not know what to ask.

[@SilhouetteSE]

"I'm not really a PR person." Yeah. Right. 😂😂😂

[@clairmontlodgesurvivorsclu4521]

That's an insult to PR people. I think the appropriate term is either snake-oil salesman or bullshit artist.

[@kepler240]

"You put blood in here and the 100 tests comes out here. That's how it works. No more questions".

[@orangevanillalatte6859]

a vomit of words that make little sense

[@seanwebb605]

ApplePie521 That’s what stands out to me in all of the interviews that I have seen. She hopes that people get lost in word salads with buzz words and techno babble.

[@comment6864]

@@seanwebb605 Oh but that is so typical of techie talk these days.

[@dreamdiction]

female word salad

[@annabellee2703]

@@dreamdiction Trump word salad... but Elizabeth's got better delivery and *much* bigger words.

[@dreamdiction]

@@annabellee2703 Nothing in this video or thread is relevant to Trump so your reply is female work salad.

[@jpg1392]

Someone should do a case study on her. She’s eerie.

[@tw8464]

It's interesting how everyone is creeped out by her but also fascinated... I really think if she were a man & did the same thing with politics, she would have been president of U.S. or Russia or Germany back in the day ... if she were a man & went into politics people would follow her like a crazy cult like they usually do & she would have never been charged with anything

[@steeveekeys1904]

You know Hitler practiced his hand gestures to a fine science. It is obvious she did the same thing in front of a mirror practicing her hand gestures to an exact science.

[@mag537]

@@tw8464 lol

[@MiaQuacko]

False she is not an engineer .. She didn't graduate.. she is a social Engineer though ..meaning a con artist

[@MrTechselect]

you do know that there is no product and that all this hype is smoke and mirrors. she has a gazillion lawsuits her way plus a banning from the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services to own and operate a lab for 2 years

[@MiaQuacko]

In science and technology training is critical. If she would have completed her chemical engineering (or biomedical) degree at Stanford she would have learned the difference between smokes and mirrors and a product that works. She is a gifted pitch woman to raise investor money and that's about it. I am a degreed engineer and I understand that any of my designs need to be submitted for peer review prior to launching it. For the kind of improvement she seeks to improve a masters degree in biomedical engineering would have to be earned at minimum, if not a doctoral degree. Now look at this mess she is in

[@Truthmoses]

u still got internet?

[@badboymike859]

I came to a conclusion that only crooks get the funding and Investors to get far ahead. If you're a smart Crook, you get away. If you mess up as a Crook, I guess you go to prison. Moral of my comment is to be a Crook and you'll get far!

[@Truthmoses]

"Steal a little and they throw you in jail Steal a lot and they make you king" B. Dylan

[@thrasivoulostzellos4669]

11 years in jail is a extremely low penalty for her. Thats my opinion as an MD

[@jamesedinger4956]

I'm guessing this is one of the last interviews that Elizabeth walked away from feeling like she could still pull this out of the fire.

[@lisaruttenberg5886]

Her sentences take more detours than a freeway under construction

[@cammymc1982]

She's dodging these questions like Neo in The Matrix.

[@ShankiaMrsRidiculous]

She never answered one question though

[@blitzkriegazteca642]

She NEEDS to be a Politician.

[@pete6705]

She never did in any meeting or interview

[@blitzkriegazteca642]

@@pete6705 ....evidently her clone did.

[@dimaklondt3832]

"I am definitely not a PR person". LOL. Keep lying, dear.

[@metamorphicorder]

Thats all she was. Thats why her answer at trial is, i dont know.

[@Stuff_happens]

But she is an engineer

[@warrenholly2200]

Now it seems like everybody on the top is at least a liar

[@caib714]

She was the ONLY face of her company, in commercials, interviews, articles, front cover coverage, etc. And in one commercial, her face was in the entire advertisement talking and staring at you. Her lies are out of control.

[@KaiatheSiberianHusky]

@@Stuff_happens NOPE

[@southernbelladonna78]

When she is really nervous about answering a question and really squirming she forms an invisible shape in her hands and moves it back and forth so that the interviewer will focus on what's "in her hands" and not what she is saying.....EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

[@ejwis1]

This is why peer review is important. The peer-review process subjects an author's scholarly work, research, or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field (peers) and is considered necessary to ensure academic scientific quality.

[@wespaul9345]

Don't be an idiot

[@rond5936]

Agreed, but if you claim to have a new, patentable technology, you can always use that as an excuse to skip peer review, since peer review could basically enable the reviewers to get all details of your technology by the time the review is done.

[@FS-me8mj]

What are you on about mate? Even peer reviewed sources can be biased. You are making the same mistake as the investors who poured 9 billion dollars on Theranos just because Theranos was backed up by some guy called Henry Kissinger.

[@jamesbond5592]

Holmes = Snake oil salesman... er, I mean saleswoman.

[@mrmustangman]

you had it right the first time..... salesman.....

[@randyriches2530]

Look at how at ease she is with telling bold faced lies. This is why I believe she (and anyone who was complicit in this venture) should be punished to the laws maximums. The only thing that will keep them unpunished is their wealth, and the ability to pay lawyers that won't challenge any wrongdoings, but the semantics of the accusations.

[@wattlebough]

All the scientists working in her company that never blew the whistle, all the high profile people she fooled including former US Presidents and Secretaries of State… The billionaires who invested in her company… It took 12 years from the companies founding before the cover was blown by an investigative journalist, not the scientists working for the company. 12 years… For an **obvious** fraud. And people think scientists are somehow as incorruptible and as holy as the dalai lama.

[@Mr12348558]

In order to soften her sentence, after she was arraigned, she went out and got a rich boyfriend, 2 dogs and had 2 babies !!! Talk about diabolical !!! Who does that ? She’s not gonna see her kids for 10 years !!!

[@brucemou1]

Her daddy worked for ENRON. Red flag.

[@annabellee2703]

Right? And 2 of her board members were Trump appointees, along with one major donor being a THIRD Trump appointee and and 2 other major donors being close friends and a business partner. Shit sticks together for sure.

[@MegaHealer]

Bruce M He did? I am just biting into this case.

[@ronr.511]

@@MegaHealer Her dad was VP of Enron.

[@oldmanhair0]

Nature > Nurture

[@whoisdickieschnabel]

If the steam got going on Theranos in 2013, how could Trump appoint?

[@LoveFlatfootin1]

"I'm an engineer.". LOL All the engineers I know have a college degree in engineering from an accredited university and passed the rigorous licensing examination. This woman didn't even finish college. She's an expert BS artist, however. She doesn't sound particularly smart, either. I'm amazed so many were hoodwinked by her nonsense.

[@bitadiomande4771]

Either hoodwinked or went along for the ride hoping to cash in on that baseless valuation. I'm not sure how innocent the investors really are. You can be conned at the beginning but when you have no interest in the real results or even listening to whistle blowers, it is either gross incompetence or turning a blind eye. Even Shultz seemed to only pay attention to his grandson's claims after the PR became too much and they couldn't hide the story.

[@jjwallnutts]

I always wonder whether pathological liars like her believe what they’re saying, or know they are lying. Or maybe a little of both

[@gokulvshetty]

The concept itself seems quite silly, no serious adult cares about how much blood is drawn once the needle goes in

[@happilysmpl]

Totally! Unless someone has some peculiar medical conditions or has serious phobia of needles nobody cares that much. It hardly hurts atleast what I have experienced

[@Willsimp4tacos]

Theranos entire model was that no needle would go in, but a pin prick and one drop of blood. Every single person is interested in this.

[@Willsimp4tacos]

@@periwinklepeonies5818 nope

[@gokulvshetty]

@@Willsimp4tacos pin prick is just as painful as a syringe, what are you talking about?

[@Willsimp4tacos]

@@gokulvshetty are you high?

[@jcee6886]

Elizabeth: I'm an engineer. Me: I'm Spartacus!

[@liloolo]

LOL

[@alpha1dcd]

No! I'm Spartacus!

[@martinpope3835]

No! I identify as Sparticus!

[@tedgegi155]

Cover story? Wow. Looks like Fortune got sucked up into the hype too, huh?

[@merveilmeok2416]

A Stanford dropout and a woman...sounded like the next Bill Gates.

[@missionpupa]

want to bet that fortune was in on it and they had a stake in the company.

[@brassgal5039]

Her saying ‘I’m an engineer…”…huge red flag! No, Elizabeth, you are not.

[@umersheikh9870]

Each and every question is answered by misleading statements

[@christinehitchcock1029]

Jeez... could she have least brushed her hair?

[@unanimous.verdict]

Did it on purpose to look like she's been doing stressful jobs

[@bodenlosedosenhose1590]

It's insane how people let her get away with these long, rambling and ultimately meaningless answers when you get an F in school for doing just that in reports or exams - rightfully so. Basically the bare minimum of what you have to offer seems to be a higher stake in 8th grade than in Silicon Valley.

[@marcusdolby1]

“This is what happens when you try to change the world” Elizabeth Holmes.

[@grammar_shark]

"When you lie, this happens." - Yoda

[@bikepacker9850]

Change or cheat

[@snak3eye547]

The fact that she didn’t have anyone with healthcare or a science background pretty much sums up her thought process. She didn’t want real experts calling her con out. Instead she chose folks in other areas who were powerful people meant to draw more people into her con for sake of publicity and getting more investors.

[@lpr5269]

Yeah let's put former Secretary of State, George Shultz, on the board. He has no science background and he looks remarkably like the Cowardly Lion from the Wizard of Oz.

[@SKF358]

"A) the government, FDA, is making us do one test at a time for approval, but we could do more B) the magazines wrote incorrect facts about us to say we could do 200 tests on one pin prick. But we can do 200.". So, were the magazines wrong or not? Who told them you could do 200? YOU DID. Lies and self-contradictions all to see if obfuscation can keep the public still impressed with you.

[@anthonykwan8233]

who sit like this for an interview!

[@Aroncare]

Its her fix lying pose, learned that from ditectives interviewing criminals, they allways hold a part of they're body stiff, thats why her weird pose!!

[@adorablegirl1559]

She sits :)

[@bobbym3155]

It’s all calculated I think. She’s leaning in to give the impression of engagement, with a little intimidation, yet slouching slightly, to present herself has youthful and casual. The constant head bobbing signals that she’s listening, but also already knows what you’re going to say.

[@flightlessbird2281]

I think it's to help her make the fake low voice

[@randyjohnson9772]

She is trying to mimick a male feature in her dress & manerism... dissociation disorder...

[@briandecker8403]

lol at the downvotes - read "Bad Blood" - Theranos was a total fraud.

[@seanwebb605]

Brian Decker I’m about 168 pages into the book. Wow!

[@OliviaChoong]

I suspect many downvotes are directed at her 😂

[@21972012145525]

“Nanotainer” In retrospect, it’s so obvious She can’t even name a mentor.

[@CodeDeb]

“Transition to the FDA framework…” Isn’t that the process they should have been following all along? What use is a medical product without FDA approval?

[@villeda009]

To print money

[@pete6705]

I don’t know what the end game was for her, she knew the technology did not work at all. She knew she couldn’t just keep lying forever. Even in this interview she knew that all her lies would be exposed. There was never any way for her to get out of this. The only possible thing she could have done was delay it, and try to take more time to develop it, why she went ahead and sold the product before it worked is beyond me, she knew she was doomed once she put her broken product in customers hands

[@bernsteinjade]

Next stop, prison.

[@AlexisMaria]

One can only hope!

[@Vanzie1988]

Looks up *smiles* looks down *frowns*, Looks up *smiles* looks down *frowns*, Looks up *smiles* looks down *frowns*...

[@Slarti]

That is a brilliant observation! I didn't notice until you pointed it out, then when I looked again I saw what you mean - I am sure her interviews will provide hours of interesting studies in sociopathy.

[@hhampole]

WHAT. AN. OBSERVATION. BRO. *slow clap*

[@TheCrossPearls]

Norman Bates she’s rehearsed it...

[@Daniel-sh3os]

I never understood the end game. There was zero chance that this wouldn't end badly because the science wouldn't allow it.

[@FirstLightAdv]

He's actually one of the interviewers who was able to insist with the original question

[@tomthx5804]

She identifies as a 300 lb black defensive lineman

[@segagenesis9096]

Why black

[@MySweetAriane]

Wth

[@t.c.9838]

What does that even mean Tom?

[@Noelle2ls]

It’s a reference to her Barry White deep voice.

[@annabellee2703]

@@Noelle2ls If Barry White sounded like *this* woman I would've never been conceived.

[@gracedanila4923]

I'm a Phlebotomist. I remember when she was just starting to be famous as a founder of Theranos, I was telling myself and my co-workers that there is a possibility that we're gonna loose our job because nobody would come to the lab to have their blood drawn. Oh well..God is good, I'm still with Quest Diagnostics and still drawing blood, going 16 years.

[@missamae34]

I’m in med tech and I remember thinking to myself at her height of fame that there’s no way her voice is real and the instruments that I work with would already have come up with this……not some 19-year-old with a fake a voice. I was never worried ..there is no God except for the judge who sentenced her to jail

[@kiwiendurci]

She's good at not saying anything while talking non stop

[@aspholum]

She should have been a politician.

[@rockfan1]

They asked her what she wanted to be when she grew up, she said “a billionaire!” They asked her why not the President. She responded, “The President will marry me because I’m a billionaire.” She has it all figured out.

[@matthewrainey4191]

Awsomness16 she comes from a family with several politicians and her dad was one of the Enron top guys when it fell

[@joshuawheelock8874]

she did host a fundraiser for hillary and hang out with obama quite a bit

[@atienootieno1384]

When she gets out of this, she will!

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Well she fooled you, Fortune Magazine!

[@simster1001]

She did not fool the Fortune guy. He was just a fool.

[@s198203]

Who else is back here after her sentencing

[@a.quetim6738]

" I am an engineer" lol, NOT! Elizabeth, did you know you have to study 4-5 years and graduate to be an engineer? You are a dropped out! Took 2 courses and she is an engineer, hahaha.

[@therealnotsoslimchucky377]

"I'm an engineer". No. You're a chemical engineer undergraduate drop out. Big difference.

[@pete6705]

Would have been great if they let John Carreyrou do this interview. He knew every little thing that was really happening behind Theranos closed doors. She's completely lying here, none of the stuff she said about what they were doing with FDA was at all true

[@crisyorke1328]

Using propriety Theranos technology. That's already a real sign that this is a made up.

[@lynnross7513]

Yes exactly....the technology that's hidden with a rabbit inside the magician's hat. Presto! Nine billion valuation.