Forza Horizon 4 - Gear Tuning Supra Example (262 mph)

[@STEVEtheP1R4TE]

The perfect app for any Forza racer 👍

[@ForzaTune]

Thanks, Steve!

[@kokoadamgu]

I just bought the premium version and I already feel like I'm getting my money's worth. Great app!

[@ForzaTune]

Thanks, Adam!

[@Oddball5.0]

Another great video, thanks. Love the app! I race mostly American muscle cars and like the challenge of tuning these RWD beasts for the twisty English roads!

[@nightryder1227]

Got it ! Thank you

[@BrowniesGoHam]

I remember back In forza motorsport 2 when you could see a cars exact rpm limit, but this app Is just amazing.

[@ForzaTune]

Indeed, it was much easier in those days to dig into the details of the cars. Thanks for supporting ForzaTune!

[@BrowniesGoHam]

@@ForzaTune I have a question regarding the rpm chart and If you can somehow Implement a dyno reading? I notice that the cars rpm in game is completely different from the charts and sometimes I get better results from the in-game rpm's as opposed to the chart when I'm putting in that information in the app. Thanks.

[@ForzaTune]

Good points! The gear/speed graph (little one shown when adjusting gears) is usually incorrect. It makes the case for using a gearing calculator because anyone tuning by hand is effectively tuning blind. I find the upgrade screen torque graph is usually good for max torque rpm value but there can be a difference with redline shown vs. rev limiter when driving. Confirming with telemetry is always good, and I'll keep thinking about an easier way to deal with this check. Thanks!

[@BrowniesGoHam]

@@ForzaTune thanks for replying.

[@Louisb27]

can you please explain the ride height adjustment better thanks

[@ForzaTune]

Sure! The tuning calculator gives specific number values for almost all parts. Ride height and aero are the exceptions. For these you want to look at how much of the bar graph is filled in white on the app, and then move the slider in the game to match. In the example here, the ride height slider was a little less than half.

[@Louisb27]

thank you for your answer I bought the Pro version I highly recommend it allows you to perfectly adjust each vehicle thank you for creating this application

[@ForzaTune]

@@Louisb27 Thanks for supporting the work that goes into it!

[@claudelugaming94]

So: 0, 6, 12 graph 1200 rpm each block ? 0, 5, 10 graph 1000 rpm each block ? 0, 4, 8 graph 800 rpm each block ?

[@ForzaTune]

You got it!

[@smatchimo55]

this drove me nuts lol, thanks

[@linaleahgarcia1516]

I know this video is 3 yrs old and for FH4, but fast forward to day to FH5, Does ForzaTune Pro support specific tunes like Drag Racing? Specifically, I'm wondering if it can calculate the best gearing for highest 'possible' speed in the lowest 'possible' amount of time. I usually spend *days* tuning my gears for drag and can get down to 'avg' of 0.8s 0-60 and 1.9s 0-100, but yeah, I still get beat as if I was standing still. I've been playing since Forza H3 and still cannot understand the disparity between some players drag tunes. Not a hater, but even deduced that they are cheating especially when my 0-100 is under 3 seconds and get beat by a Ford RS200 lmao like what is going on. Anyway, since I think my tunes are pretty sane (tho it takes me days and days to created) would the Pro version help or even be useful for me?

[@aleksanderforkapa9984]

Just downloaded that app and holy crap you need it and it’s also free

[@ForzaTune]

Thanks for giving it a try. And yes, there is a free and paid version. Enjoy!

[@kevinjacob3338]

im sorry its really too late to ask this, but is the app only available on phone or it can be found in PC or Desktop too? and if it can, where and how

[@ForzaTune]

If you purchase the app through Google Play you can run your Android apps in Windows using Microsoft Phone Link. There is also the ability in Windows 11 to run Amazon App Store apps. Let me know which you would prefer. If I get enough requests perhaps I can keep the free ForzaTune on Amazon apps updated and get Pro on there...

[@mateuszwawerla]

Hi again, many cars with gearing from this app ruining our statistics (car has lower max speed and accelerates slower, did I share under this comment share code to tunes and you help me please

[@ForzaTune]

Feel free to post the ForzaTune share code so I can take a look. If the stats are close it may actually be faster in races depending on what speed ranges that circuit needs. Oh and don't forget to adjust final drive higher if you need more acceleration. Thanks!

[@mateuszwawerla]

@@ForzaTune And what is wrong with my tune? Why car starts very slow and has slow acceleration and speed

[@ForzaTune]

@@mateuszwawerla Feel free to post the share code from the ForzaTune app so I can take a look, make sure all values are good, etc.

[@Boss_702]

Hi, love the app! Quick question, if the dyno graph reads 9.5k rpm redline but the ingame tach redlines at 8k rpm. Which rpm redline numbers should I use?

[@ForzaTune]

Thanks! I would use the 9.5k rpm value if it's an engine that continues to build power past 8k rpm.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

I seem to be getting better at using this app, but one thing that still happens a lot, particularly when I'm trying to get an S2-998 RWD car to be driveable, let alone raceable, is I'll end up with a much lower top speed than I had at the beginning, and what happens is I end up with a car that is only slightly easier to drive, but can't keep up with the other hypercars. Is it recommendable to copy over the gearing info *last,* in any cases?

[@ForzaTune]

If you need help with a specific tune feel free to send an email from the app. From what you said, it might be as simple as lowering final drive a bit. And regardless of the tune, that high of a performance index with RWD will require careful throttle application. Thanks!

[@Fisherman6383]

Im using the paid app, been tuning an amc gremlin for rally :D ,really great result

[@ForzaTune]

Glad you like it! Thanks for the feedback on your specific car too.

[@AshenSeraph]

Recently started using this for FH5 and it mostly seems the same, but I do have to admit the input of the top speed and 0-100 has my head spinning a bit. Those values aren't static, that's the whole idea behind gear tuning, right? Getting the max sort of makes sense to me, given that all comes down to final drive gear ratio, but aero is going to have a profound effect on it as well without being accounted for with the other pulled data. 0-100? I'm at a loss with this one completely. Nearly everything is going to have an effect here that could swing it wildly in any direction with several factors unaccounted for as far as I can tell. Side note to this: Is there a good way to determine the optimal number of gears for racing transmissions in FH5? It's rare that I find myself taking 6 because of weight concerns rather than feeling like a 7th wouldn't help, but then there are some cars that seem to really want that 7th and sometimes 8th gear to quickly get to 200+ mph. I feel like I'm doing a lot of guesswork when to change to a different gearbox size.

[@ForzaTune]

Hi Chad - the gearing is as an optimization problem that requires a reasonable starting point. The 0-100 and top speed provide that and capture many factors of the car like aero. If you want you can jump over to the gear tuning screen in the game, and move the final drive slider up and down to find the min 0-100 and max top speed and use those. The reason I don't always recommend that is because it's extra time for little benefit - unless the car has an odd setup (very low or high final drive before tuning). I do recommend changing final drive *after* using the values given by the app if you want more acceleration or more top speed. To answer your other question, a wide power band will require less and a narrow power band will require more gears. Hope that helps!

[@AshenSeraph]

@@ForzaTune So, if I'm understanding this correctly, it's just that one adjustment after-the-fact that those numbers modify. I do tend to play around with the final drive after getting it tuned up anyway. I'm guessing the instances I've run into where it seems I've had to modify it by quite a bit are where those numbers were particularly off. And thanks for the answer on the number of gears. That dealt a major "Well, duh" moment to me when it all clicked into place as to why that is the case. Are there any rough guidelines on number of gears to use for different powerbands beyond shorter = more and longer = less? Personally, I have yet to find a vehicle that seems to call for more than 8 and usually end up sticking with 7, but I have been playing it by feel... and this is a completely new and untrained feel. I've never played a racing game that allows you to change the number of gears until FH5.

[@ForzaTune]

@@AshenSeraph The simulation values change a few things beyond the final drive. Ultimately you are right that adjusting the final drive - after the fact, and as you typically do anyway - should handle some inaccuracy in the 0-100 and top speed values entered. What makes gears interesting is there are many "right" answers in the same way 4 x 1.5 = 6 and 3 x 2 = 6. And the calculator is essentially helping us pick combinations that work well together. I agree very few cars need more than 6-7 gears and it can even slow down things given all the shifting time. Thanks for the questions. Let me know if anything else comes up.

[@watermelon9718]

Hey so I’m stuck I do everything but it says 739.3 for springs but mine doesn’t go that night in the forza tune menu help?

[@ForzaTune]

Thanks for checking - there are three reasons this can happen and I provided a quick summary here: forzatune.com/support/report-a-problem/tune-results-out-of-range/

[@USbachelor]

Does page 2 on your calculator only show when you select gearing on page 1? In another video of yours you skipped page 2s entries, that why I'm asking. I bought Pro and use it, but sometimes it makes the car worse. Can you make a video of the slide controls you have for after tunes adjustments? I am not sure how to utilize it.

[@ForzaTune]

You are right: the gearing screen is skipped unless you choose gearing on the initial input screen. Also you may want to retry some of your tunes with the Pro app since the version 5.0 update. If any cars still seem problematic let me know. Happy to walk through tuning adjustments, and maybe we can use your exact setup for a video on that. Appreciate the support!

[@mateuszwawerla]

Hi, if I tune gearing for road racing better to change finał drive for best time and give best values to app or better to give standard values to app? @ForzaTune

[@ForzaTune]

Great question! For the most accurate results, I would move the final drive around to get those best values.

[@mateuszwawerla]

@@ForzaTune Thank you

[@etherealreaper1612]

I'm using this to tune gears in FH5 and I was wondering if I should mess with tire pressure when searching for the best 0-100 and top speed or should I just use gearing?

[@ForzaTune]

I tend to focus on getting tires in that 32-34 PSI sweet spot, and using gearing and upgrades. If I remember correctly, my tests on top speed vs. tire pressure showed no difference in FH5. For acceleration tests, I would make sure tire temps are good.

[@djbis]

it seems like a great tool in FH4, but I am using FH5. Does the app make it easy to find the values in FH5?

[@ForzaTune]

Yes, ForzaTune Pro is updated for FH5 and you can watch this overview video for a few examples: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYimgGqPrNV0f7M There is also a tuning guide you can view here: forzatune.com/guide/how-to-use-forzatune-pro-for-suspension-tuning/

[@scrubmatic]

In Horizon 5 the Gear Tuning/Spacing seems off, but maybe that's because it's a new game. I still recommend the app, but adjust the final drive on your own to fill the graph. Unless there is a reason this is bad?

[@ForzaTune]

Hi Tim - you may have seen the gearing update recently. I would not worry too much about filling up the graph (or shrinking gears into it) as long as you can reach your desired top speed. And yes, adjusting the final drive if it doesn't reach it, or if you want more acceleration is a good call. So keep doing what you are doing! Thanks.

[@carlosmendoza9917]

Can you please do a guide video on how to find the power band details but via the telemetry on forzatune pro, I ran into an issue where I want a drag tune for my venom f5 but there is no power upgrades available so I can’t actually see the performance graph.

[@carlosmendoza9917]

Like how would I find the max torque using telemetry

[@ForzaTune]

@@carlosmendoza9917 This guide should explain everything you need. Please let me know if you have any questions. forzatune.com/guide/there-are-no-engine-upgrades-or-graph-how-to-find-torque-and-power-values/

[@drewh2086]

Hello, I did a tune with the Trans Am GTA, all engine parts upgraded on stock motor with addition of twin turbo and the max turbo upgrade on awd. Followed this guide, and when reading the torque on the graph it looked to peak at 4500ish with redline near 7300 I want to say. After I plugged in all the numbers, I went out to drive and on launch out of the first gear it just bottoms out. Ran the tune on street/standard and made sure gearing and forced induction were checked. What can I do to correct the tuning in this scenario?

[@ForzaTune]

It's hard for me to provide one-on-one help for specific tunes. But if you mean bottom out like stalling, then I would increase final drive ratio -- the games can be a little odd with launching AWD cars, especially with clutch on the controller. That and/or you may need to let it rev a bit more before launching.

[@calebking2348]

Will there be a horizon 5 update?

[@ForzaTune]

We will see how much the tuning differs and go from there. Whenever possible I like to make the apps work across multiple games.

[@rogermngrch]

Hello Anthony Why do i get S2 902 and not S1900? I did it exactly ass you did it first A800 tune and then i wanted to do S1900 but i get S2 902, what am i doing wrong?

[@ForzaTune]

Hi Roger - I did list the upgrades at the bottom of this video's description if you would like to double check a little easier.

[@rogermngrch]

@@ForzaTune i did it exactly according to the list but i come to S2 902

[@ForzaTune]

@@rogermngrch I just double-checked and all looks good. Please make sure anything not listed (pistons, intercooler, oil cooling, clutch, roll cage, etc) are all stock. My guess is it's one of those.

[@nightryder1227]

Hi when tuning the gearing for a rwd drift car. It seems after I put in my valves in. It always has me drifting in 6 th gear on a 6 speed gear box why is that. And the rev limiter is hitting 4 thru 6 gear. Thanks

[@ForzaTune]

Hello - the gearing does not change for drift, but you will likely want to reduce final drive to lengthen gears OR better yet, enter 4 gears when tuning and disregard 5th and 6th. This will keep you in the power band while drifting and is similar to having the drift transmission (4-speed) installed. You can also use the app to tune drift transmission if ignoring gears seems odd. Thanks.

[@Emper0rH0rde]

The way you say 'torque' sounds like 'twerk.'

[@ForzaTune]

I'll be thinking about this comment every time I make new videos...lol.

[@rosefromgrave8358]

little problem here instead of lb-fb torque i see Nm value shall i convert from Nm to lb-fb and then add values into tune app?

[@ForzaTune]

From the home page of the app you'll see the menu at the top left. In there you can change the units of the app to match what you see in Forza. Sounds like you'll want to change from pounds to kilograms which will also show torque in Nm. Thanks!

[@quiet_owo]

Do I need to tune my gear if my stock car has turbo like the impreza 22B STI?

[@ForzaTune]

You should be fine with regular gears or just a sports transmission (to adjust final drive only).

[@fizzieftw8406]

yes

[@rosefromgrave8358]

HOw do you8 know if the car has turbo.If i use everything stock should i enable forced induction in tune app?

[@ForzaTune]

You'll typically see intercooler upgrades if it has a turbo or supercharger in stock form. And if you aren't sure or don't have many upgrades for a car it will also show boost pressure in the telemetry. Anything above 0.0 when accelerating would mean forced induction. Thanks!

[@jongwood]

What if a car has a very wide powerband, and the max torque value is located at 6,000 RPM but is only slightly higher than its value at, say, 2,000 RPM? Wouldn't we be losing most of that power by tuning at the max torque value? What should be done in those instances?

[@ForzaTune]

Given a very flat torque curve with a peak that seems too late, you can fall back to the next best peak torque rpm. You can even do both and see which drives better. Very good point you made here. Thanks for posting.

[@ponraul1221]

That’s what I was wondering

[@-pp-]

In forza 5 it says 10k rpm graph but in game it shows 9k what should i put

[@ForzaTune]

You can use the custom graph (last option) in the app and set it to 9.

[@-pp-]

@@ForzaTuneI purchased the pro version and it's not too good when it comes to drag you need to improve the drag tunes with the rally springs

[@ForzaTune]

@@-pp- Thanks for the feedback. An update to better use the rally suspension option is on the list.

[@LoDiinG]

Can you do a similar exemple in fh5 ? Im french and its difficult for me to understand every step

[@ForzaTune]

This was written with FH5 in mind: forzatune.com/guide/creating-a-forza-gearing-tune-with-forzatune-pro/ Does that help at all?

[@LoDiinG]

@@ForzaTune thanks !

[@zaccwalked9544]

Are u going to update these vids for horizon 5

[@ForzaTune]

Yes I have a few lined up for the end of the year - thanks for asking.

[@MrExdous69]

@@ForzaTune does this app work for fh5

[@ForzaTune]

@@MrExdous69 Yes it has had about 4 or 5 FH5-specific updates including the most recent new cars.

[@nightryder1227]

Hi how about gear tuning for a drift car?

[@ForzaTune]

For drift you can lower the final drive a good bit to extend 1st, 2nd and 3rd while still staying in the power band.

[@fellini7026]

Still confused on how to accurately read the graph :(

[@ForzaTune]

Please let me know which part exactly. We can try walking through it a little more.

[@ramjorb33]

Drag racing tutorial next?

[@ForzaTune]

I'll put it on the list!

[@bksym]

My graph shows 0, 6, 12 and the lines just aren’t adding up

[@ForzaTune]

That's a common question! In those cases you'll want to treat each line or block on the graph as 1200 rpm.

[@taylorswift5246]

My tire pressure is different 8t starts at 2.1 without tubing so 27 doesn't make sense

[@ForzaTune]

You'll want to set the units of the app to display Bar instead of PSI. The "Change Display Units" option in the main menu will get you there. Thanks!

[@usa12gate]

Very cool

[@datboi12233]

My Supra goes 280

[@scroogenmacduck9064]

Most of the time I use this app (the paid one.) It gives me results that are totally unusable. Gear tuning is ruining this game for me

[@ForzaTune]

Hey Scroogen - sounds like something is not quite right. Feel free to share your tune code from the app and I'll make sure all the inputs look good, or fix any bugs if necessary.