Forza Motorsport Is A Disgrace

[@kubeanie18]

Built from the ground up. Is related to handling and physics tires model ect.. not car models. You be blind to assume they wont reuse car models. The crew had a 10 point lower metascore it wasn't gonna win

[@thebinishere2341]

Pin of shame Seems bro doesnt have an attention span of 10 minutes to see the fact that they claimed to build everything from the ground up including the cars and lighting

[@tar1178]

Nah bro got the pin of shame 💀

[@japanesecar1501]

even the ground to be from the ground up. eh. Kubeanie18. They said things, and presented things in certain ways. The fact that the game was done in some 2 yrs as they cut down the scope is an unacknowledged truth, and throws their 6 yrs of work, to make the best game they tout as The next gen, and "learned from the past to make it perfect", into disarray. People know they had issues and re-dos. Pointing at the things not there and criticisms is just putting the correct stickers where they belong to compare. The wishlists of cars and their fixes is something they have waved their caps back at people like winners since yrs back. Basically a good: "It´s the least we can do." *tips fedora* Surely, the modellers can do it, surely, 3DS MAX, or Blender, or whatever you use, this will be ready yrs before you do new things. Then they release Motorsport 7.3, or actually, 6.5, maybe, actually, New Motorsport Barebones-Cutdown. 4 was A GAME that bettered the previous, FM 5 meant to succeed FM4. FM5 is 6 tech demo, and six isn´t as quality like 4 was either, and 7 is six refurbished. FM New is better quality driving, yeah, with a cut down game from previous, again. They kept running with the "will make it better", and after some stagnation with "will make the next One better", and now we here. I bought 7 Ultimate, then refunded because of the VIP for 14 races(it was?), and lootboxes. Suddenly, no can do changes were implmented into the UI within like 2 weeks?(or faster!!?). I still bought it later, and I bought a 2x cheaper ultimate disc to lend. The game never quite took off, and MS did their dookie. The drive and authority dwindled at T10, and meetings and expectations, additions and re-dos broke the development. They might make it great a year from now. Who knows. Still, 3-4 yrs of nothing, That includes some 1.5 yrs of their Expect news on novel race modes and FRR soon-- we would never lie to YOOoOU you know.> (!)FM NEW, smaller and more bare than before! Buy now, like the sucker you areee. -Honest I´d buy it for 20, if they keep coming up with the updates, I´d then buy the DLC at the intended price, but only if they put back the cutdowns from before, new as promised(!).

[@tq1ws]

they should have specified if they weren't going to build the other half of the game from the ground up.. the meat riding is bizarre

[@Sujiceel]

It is either built from the ground up or it isn't at all, for a so called reboot it's not even achieving half FM1/FM2's level of content while being recycled yet more broken than the last like the audio quality deteriorating even more than previous entries in the series. Forza went from the alternative to Gran Turismo because they used to not give a shit about car sounds now it's not even holding a candle to that standard, I used to make fun of GT for their vacuum cleaners but these days I can't even talk shit anymore because it's worse than modern GT as the old lead sound designer for Forza has jumped ship to make good sounds for Gran Turismo almost a decade ago. I look back at this entire franchise and wonder if this is even run by car enthusiasts anymore and not soulless, money hungry CEOs that don't care about quality at all who cashed in because it was at the top at one point.

[@BRunzilian]

GTS and GT7 uses 8k car scans downgraded to 4k to future proof the models for years to come. It was said in a interview/presentation a little while ago

[@roideus]

that makes no sense

[@joaquingonzalez834]

​@@roideusit's a lot simpler than you think: they decreases the poly count for optimization, and when the time is right they'll use the original models

[@roideus]

@@joaquingonzalez834 I highly doubt that Turn10 and Polyphony with all the licensing and money don't have access to the CAD files that are used everywhere in the motor industry; which means there's no "poly count" to be concerned with, other than the devs converting and retopoing if necessary.

[@faranaka9294]

Built from the ground up isn't as insulting as them taking 6 years to "make" it

[@benn87]

In general, I don't see anything wrong with reusing old assets. As long as they are of decent quality and, as in the case of Turn10, you don't constantly claim that everything is new.

[@Majaweed17]

​@@benn87 in turn10's case there's many things wrong with reusing old assets

[@mandrakeblackstone5838]

For me its the game play totally suck suck suck sucks , They should of just re-released FM 2 , as that was the best of the best game ever un- like preceding games its racing wheel friendly sucks I cant get FM 2 on PC. The one thing I cant figure out is Why was FM 2 the only game forza game that was wheel friendly ?

[@superlight1999]

is built from the ground up is ok to them using old assets@@benn87 NO. look at PD making gt sport, no claim about built from ground up but we can feel the game was built from ground up.

[@GeorgHaeder]

Game dev: "Built from the ground up" Todd Howard: Write that down! Write that down!

[@joshjmilli]

This game wasn’t made with care and attention to detail, therefore it’s not worth any of my time. The game is nothing but a soulless, corporate quota to fill to appease investors.

[@maxseltzer]

It’s astonishing how much they tried to sell the “built from the ground up” narrative only to release a game with half-features like drag tires but not drag events

[@randallrush4962]

The lack of attention to detail in FM could be attributed to that fact that GT is built by a passionate car enthusiast and FM is built by gamers. Also, let’s keep in mind that ray tracing is a marketing buzz word in game business right now. Ray tracing has its potential but it’s young in real time rendering. The very well done cube mapping in gran Turismo looks more convincing than the low quality ray tracing in forza. Bad choices but it’s not shameful of them to try to use new tech. Plus they could potentially throw an update that corrects most or some of the issues and suddenly blow us all away. Who knows.

[@zacariascisneros6399]

That's bullshit. Because games like Need for Speed Unbound, Grid Legends or even Hot Wheels Unleashed don't have the same level of detail as Gran Turismo, but at least the cars look really good enough. In Forza, however, you still have that ugly Nissan Silvia S15 from 2005. So no, it's not "built for gamers", it's just laziness.

[@Eat-MyGoal]

@@zacariascisneros6399 he said 'built by gamers' not 'for'. It's his way of calling them lazy, like you did. You're agreeing with the 'bullshit' 🤡🤡

[@randallrush4962]

I never said anything about built FOR gamers, you should learn to read. Built BY gamers, meaning they don’t know shit about cars; especially the cars they involved in their game.

[@zekeaffy9647]

The fact that they saw an opportunity that the graphics kids will like, they took it and they hoped some horizon players jumped into the buggy waters of FM2023. T10 has made everyone lost respect on them. Technically advanced my foot FM2023, I would rather play the new Le Mans Ultimate instead, NOW THATS TECHNICALLY ADVANCED.

[@Nightmareof94]

This is why i still play motorsport 1,2,3 and 4 and horizon 1,2 and 3

[@jconner3891]

You didn’t like 6?

[@ransomsdp]

6 is the best

[@trevor4533]

"The Biggest Scam in history" Enron shareholders be like 🙄

[@sethdale4721]

I remember when this came out all I heard was something along the lines of “finally I can leave gt7 and play a real racing game” what happened????

[@ramonruegg8653]

I play now the new forza motorsport most of the time in online lobbies. That's what happend

[@Boney-UK64]

I'm a 60 year old vetran gamer who played all previoud forza games and for last 15 years mostly on PC. I pre ordered Mtorsport and got 360 VERY frustrating hours in game before uninstalling. I think at the rate they work and the state of the game on PC, it will take at least another 6 months of updates to become DOG-SHITE! The lies continue with every update, I don't/won't consider it an option at any point in the future, games should be fun and this has been an ordeal.

[@japanesecar1501]

It all started to go the chore path once the, not bad, but not needed, TopGear became a big partner with 4. I think even back then they were kind of creatively neutered, but it was entertaining, and lovely, even, though I didn´t care for it much. The shift to dignified racing, making old tracks dissappear(Camino Viejo is theirs, where is it?), and all that. Putting together a tech demo with 5, and improving subsequently while retaining drabness, no music(FM2, where youat), and prolonging playtime with pretty and looty, all that while loading and accessibility of features got more dogshit than ever, you will enjoy installing these upgrades(for years with no change no less-awesome work MS+T10). Flappy armed dildo man effin´ everpresent- Amazing that i have to wait for the fucker(AARG) to load to a podium.. prolonging suffering YOU MUST like, looking at your avatars(bit****) because you SUCK SO MUCH BE GLAD YOU HAVE OUR VALIDATION, or something. Suck our balls, player kantz(!). Haha, get fucked, order more coffee and pizza.. FM shat on people. It had promise, but they just could not leave the pretty hole in the asphalt they managed to make standing in place, as it was so unique. Debating what good Forza is for several years, and doing the same after 7. Mega-giga dogshit bare minimum gametime optimization was my biggest gripe bar the new flaws. FH was an extra level godly just thanks to the new to Forza upgrade bucketing. Like I question and doubt the work they did, as it just isn´t possible. They played "working" on the game, trying out different braised extras, so that they could say it doesn´t gel. Patting their backs, nobody who knows what´s up breathing down their necks. Come on, could not guess the dev time if I tried. Halo Infinite-same shit, from the same stable. Split-screen at loungeTzch(!!), 10 years of HeyLoU to come, And Now.. We here. Hangover, and violated.

[@jasoncarmichael4540]

Plays fine now , what ordeal did you have ?

[@LibertarianGamer-ff5tg]

​@@jasoncarmichael4540 Perhaps you are mistaken or not telling the truth. I barely reach 60 fps when playing this game and the textures are not loading properly.

[@jasoncarmichael4540]

@@LibertarianGamer-ff5tg I couldn’t play this game for a month or so , and I was really pissed , and complained, but one update came and I reinstalled the game with that update, and the game plays fine for me now , so you shouldn’t say I’m lying, I don’t do that

[@jasoncarmichael4540]

@@LibertarianGamer-ff5tg I suggest you delete and reinstall the game , you may have problems with some portion of the data atm

[@458italiap]

At least project cars 3 let me race proper race cars (in the career mode). I returned to that game after this hot mess and thought that pcars 3 isn’t half bad at all.

[@hashemsnk]

I watched some NFS shift 1 & 2 absolutely amazing from that time ❤

[@NALTOHQ]

Its just an arcadey installment of a sim series. This is just a vile disgrace of a “video game”

[@dezpotizmOFheaven]

Leveling your car to tune it. Then starting all over again with a new car... I mean... When I heard the 4 rotor sound in Forza Horizon 3, and then saw they had the same aweful sound and no intend to fix it in 4 and even 5, I knew I'm not going to buy another Forza again...

[@OutLanderUSN]

My only issue with the car leveling is that you have to do it for every single car you buy, including if you want to have multiple models of the same car and there's no brand bonus. And with the change they made to that system it isn't nearly as bad as it was at launch.

[@OldManPlaysDrivingSims]

It needed to be said - devs need called out when pre release hype is shown to be lies.

[@_TJD]

They created this game to turn players back to Horizon

[@NVProlog]

ps3 models were not used in gts or 7, i believe, and if they are, they look excellent for ps3 models

[@zacariascisneros6399]

I have two theories about that: 1_ GT7 and GT Sport cars are just GT5 and GT6 Premium Cars with better polycount, textures and lighting 2_ GT7 and GT Sport cars are actually and pun intended, Built from the ground up. But since in GT5 and 6 the premium cars looked already good on PS3, then the difference, while very noticeable, is still looks somehow similar due to the great job for the premium cars on the PS3 games.

[@doomslayer5644]

​@@zacariascisneros6399 more like the second option, premium cars in gt5/6 were good but not like this the interiors/exterior were less detailed...

[@NVProlog]

@@zacariascisneros6399some of them might be, there’s no confirmation, but if they are, good on them because they look really good

[@02lucy666]

Hello, I am doing and dabbling with some 3d models for car mods for other games: The models from Gran Turismo differ between 5 and 6, and certainly are different to Sport or 7. However, they did use the models from Gran Turismo Sport in 7, just because they just work. and they built their widebodykits and general tuning on top of these models. The mesh/topology/wireframe and the actual shapes are different is what I want to say. So yes, even PD managed to actually do what T10/PGG can not. Once the foundation is good enough that works for a game engine, theres no need for new models, saves time. But Forza is just such a let down because NOTHING is even half baked in that goofy aah wannabe racing game. They probably drank too much of that Todd Howard juice... "16 times the graphical fidelity"/"Built from the ground up"

[@chrissenberg5990]

I just wish we had wreckfest make a racing game

[@rezanightshade8733]

Totally agreed with you. grand turismo build with passion and love forza motorsport build for money with lies

[@TomLehockySVK]

1:12 games right now ?? They have been for over 10 years already !!! But people are always quick to forget, get hyped for new product, consume new product, don't think, forget, get hyped for new product again ...

[@sapras76]

The only two games that carried 2023 are beamng and gt7 with their updates . Gt7 got better with all the updates and now in a good enough state and beamNG always carrying with their updates but this year still was dissapointing af

[@sapras76]

For racing games

[@vincenthantouche2343]

Forza 4 got me to buy the x360. I was so excited to get the XSX wirh Forza. Such a disappointment .

[@ggj1987]

I hate that we don’t win any cars. We have to buy them all ourselves. In about 60 hours of playtime I think I have about 55 cars now? And I have the Premium Edition so some of those were given for free with the Car Pass. It’s ridiculous and not rewarding at all. Are we even able to collect all the cars in the game this way?? A quick estimation: Let’s say there are 500 cars in the game with an average price of 300.000cr. With 60 hours of playtime (single player only) I now have about 3.000.000cr. That means that if I want all the cars I have to put in at least 3000 hours!! There is no way the game currently has 3000 hours worth of content!! You can ‘finish’ the Builder’s Cup in less than a week!

[@benn87]

The game has many problems. But that's not one of them. If you want to get cars thrown at you, play Forza Horizon. There you can play car collecting simulator.

[@ggj1987]

@@benn87 Why? As if we never won cars in Motorsport.

[@videosuper1113]

I play Forza Motorsport in Xbox Series S with a Logitech G923 and so far i've been lucky enough to not get any major bugs that affect playability, only got some minor shadow bugs.

[@mandrakeblackstone5838]

I tired it with a wheel and I went from setting leaderboard records using a controller to being just average at best with a wheel , Odd as Forza games are the only ones that my track times suffered with a wheel while on Sims like A.C , Dirt, PG , IR and RR I was able to beat my records sometimes by as much as 3 seconds using a wheel leaving all the wheel settings at default and not needing to change the tuning setups on my cars .

[@mrfishsticks266]

Of course there are people like you who didn't see the bugs

[@bigguy4u989]

and to think it took 6 years for this thing to plop into the bowl

[@RunEmDownTony]

Even now, after all the updates so far, it's still a mess. I play it on Series X, and I have issues, multiple issues. They released the new track Yasmarina, well it's a track they had in FM7, so really, it's not new, but their is a major issue with it. When playing the full circuit when you get to the second long straightaway, as you get about a quarter way down, the whole track disappears, and everything turns blue until you get to the end of the straightaway. Now, this happens while driving the Honda Prelude, I'm not sure if this will happen while driving any other car because I was too frustrated to even try. This game just pisses me off, and if I keep playing, I'm afraid I'm going to damage my OLED TV by throwing the controller through it. So I'm just gonna play GT7 while Forza collects dust.

[@martineering.evoluzione]

That's why I pushed myself to buy a PS5 and the GT7. Forza Motorsport needs a lot of time not the months but a full year if they will consider any repairs in this shitty game Motorsport. And yes on My Series X looks not natural and very flat no matter what the car you drive.

[@JuanMartinez-yu2db]

It runs pretty ok for me. It’s just not even better than part 4. They don’t even have the full Nurburgring track smh

[@jconner3891]

Which issues you guys hate the most of Forza? Thanks 😊

[@genoshajames]

It's shit, that's my biggest issue😁

[@jconner3891]

@@genoshajames best kind of real,racing game on a box x

[@jonathanshaver3001]

For me, it's the upgrade system. I can get past EVERYTHING else as it will *probably* be fixed/added in the future. I doubt they'll change the upgrade system, and for me, the idea of spending literal hours to upgrade one car the way I want, makes me feel sick

[@TootXB]

you don't have to grind and buy multiple cars to have different cars. When you save a tune it saves all of the parts you have loaded. You can make a tune of a car that it is C class and save ti then change all the parts and make an A class and save that. Load the tune you want for the track you want, it will apply all the correct parts.

[@bredub63]

Wasn’t expecting Motorsport to blow me away but after many hours hoping it would grow on me but…IT SUCKS 😢

[@benn87]

My biggest criticism as someone who never plays multiplayer is the career. It really is a cure for insomnia. I don't think the basic idea behind the upgrade system is bad at all. It's just shockingly badly implemented. How are you supposed to build up a relationship with a car if you only get half of the car upgraded during normal play of the championships within the career? After that, the car is completely useless for the career because you can't use it for other championships. So you're practically starting from scratch. And so on and so forth.It's also important to remember that T10 made a lot of noise in advance about how great and new the career would be. And that's how it turned out...

[@mikemahoneygaming5754]

Completed GT7 without buying a single mxt

[@BansheeNT-D]

The AE86 looks like the one from the first Forza. Just upscaled with better textures slapped on it.

[@HammMann]

Allow me to shine light on the fact, that now, the F1 games have been robbed by MARIO KART LIVE, MARIO KART TOUR, AND FM8.

[@jamesmoore7858]

This is totally accurate. I'm a long- time forza motorsport fan. Since forza 2. My biggest beef isn't even the glitches and bugs or even the lies. It's the fact they took a feature (car upgrades) and locked it behind a very strict progression system. You have to grind for hours in a car that handles like crap in order to upgrade it enough to find its competitive peak. It's a really bad decision. I also wish they'd tone down the corner entry understeer. It's not realistic at all, but that's always been a Forza thing though.

[@jonathanshaver3001]

Agreed. I haven't had any major bug/glitch issues, but the upgrade system is a deal breaker for me. I hate that we have to say this, as this trend of launching unfinished games fucking sucks, the game has potential.

[@bryantwilson4731]

I play gran turismo sport and 7 and forza Motorsport has more issues than gt7 launch. What were they doing in office for 5-6 years forza ?

[@floatingwizardgaming]

Can't get a refund on pc - banned from forums for accusing marketing fraud. Wish I'd spent my £90 on The Crew 2 or put it towards a PS5

[@EricK-fr9fe]

I’m 47yrs old. Played every forza title from day one. I refunded this game. I will never buy another turn 10 game. I can’t even play horizon anymore because I’m so disgusted with turn 10

[@ingridcalusinski98]

Couldn't agree with you more.Keep trying to play this game but cannot get enthused.Developers need to go back to school and relearn how to do things properly.Ended up deleting it and gone back to FM7.More of you guys should bore it up the developers as they are pretty hopeless.Crew motorist should have won game of the year.Stef.

[@kingjulien9525]

I'm still heavily playing Project Cars 2, and Automobilista 2.

[@worldwar1424]

This is the only forza title I don’t have installed

[@initialdoge8528]

imagine angry ahh fanboys still defending a window xp game ☠️☠️☠️

[@nemesis-t3ddi]

For all you ShinyOdd fans out there, i said at launch that this was basically Corona MotorSportif it was a fully realized game.

[@YeTi-307]

Very sad how BAD this game is. 60 max fps - no triple screen support - terrible CPU/GPU utilization - just so bad. And the AI is HORRID.

[@jkeee1000]

Be a good but 1080p? The voice sync is off.

[@Will90168]

Not even the crew motorfest dared to be called bad

[@potato_dbd]

I remember getting downvoted to oblivion on reddit for saying that FM will die in 2 weeks. I wasn't wrong.

[@phattunit]

T10 and Playground Games teams seem to be too jaded to make a racing game again.

[@KrystalCorolla]

Fh5 was also hardly released in a playable state for PC

[@Gabriel-dj3kf]

I can't believe that I will say that but I think that project cars 3 is better than forza motorsport 😅 I even bought a new graphic card to play this game and it does not even start anymore after the last update. AMD 6750. This game is a joke

[@iPh1l1pp]

No PD Say GT Sport Car Ports are so high Fidelity. They can use it for GT7 GT8….. because they are downgraded for GT Sport but are much higher polygons modeled for Ps6 PS7 Ps8. Sorry for my english

[@pimp183rd]

Which triple A games we are talking about because PS5 is doing just fine.Gran turismo 7,spider man,god of war,horizon among others.

[@Canac010]

20 minutes to unlock a wing? bruh it takes me like 30 seconds in a lap lol

[@LastGhost68]

DEI killed Forza

[@hectorzambrano4092]

I will say, with all honesty, that their award in accessibility was well deserved though. Better yet, those nerds at Turn 10 probably know a whole lot more at making games accessible for everyone rather than making the game’s whole career mode worthy of playing for hours nonstop.

[@mandrakeblackstone5838]

I call it woke birdism like really all this woke shit needs to go fuck accessibility , why ruin the game for others , they could of just made a separate game for these people but no they had to go all woke bird . Hey who needs skill when they can just sit back and let the game win the race for ya .

[@braswan]

I really think everyone should just boycott Turn10 and uninstall this absolute piece of dog shit they call a racing game.

[@mandrakeblackstone5838]

After 2 hours of play I deleted it , the game play sucks , the online play sucks , playing with a racing wheel sucks , there is no consistency , cars always handle differently you tune it then enter another race and you have to retune the car . For that matter the only consistency in this game is it sucks , They have haven't put out a good game since FM 2

[@mandrakeblackstone5838]

Just to note I have been playing sims since GT1 , and I decided to try a wheel for the first time when this game came out , and was getting worse track times by upto 15 secs compared to a controller where I have made the top 10 on the leader boards playing with a wheel sucked big time . The odd thing is when I played A.C , RaceRoom , iRacing and a few others , after 2 or 3 laps leaving the wheel setting to default I beat leader board records I set when using a controller . Only games my lap times got worse was Forza games , seems for a game series thats trying to be realistic they fail for racing wheels , for the acceptation of FM 2 , kind of odd Turn 10 can gets it right on Forza 2 but not on any preceding games . I see a theme here with Forza

[@Hero-sp3xr]

F1 23 should have won racing game of the year not this broken ass game.

[@davader2onaPC]

All Forza games from now on will be AA subscription built for game pass because adding to the portfolio does not need a Triple A quality one time purchase title........you will own nothing and you will be gay.

[@117johnpar]

The reused car code isnt that egregious. What IS egregious is that there is a 3.5GB file in the games directory of rhe entire asset library for FM7s UI. No, not a few things they reused for this game, NOTHING used in the UI of this game is in that file. Its just an almost 4gb file copied from FM7 just hanging out taking up space. Feel free to go look at it for yourselves on PC. I could fit an entire Indie game into that wasted space.

[@japanesecar1501]

If that´s really accurate, then Bethesda needs to pass the torch.

[@frieza3520]

Horizon 5 was a mess at launch too, no bugs, lmao smh

[@BugattiONE666]

I heard a rumor that basically, Forza Motorsport 2023....NEVER CAME OUT, the entire project apparently fell apart and was cancelled. What we got was a slap-dash attempt to make SOMETHING to push out under the same name...

[@mandrakeblackstone5838]

Lol that would explaine a lot

[@simeonyves5940]

Turn 10 should be *shuttered* for making this utter *insult* of a Game! (PS: No "Pony" Jokes from the comments please, I have not purchased a PlayStation since PS3, I just Abhor incompetence from so called "professionals" and feel it should be Punished as a deterrant against Laziness and Incompetence in other Studios and make them work Harder!)

[@speedkiller53]

I still wonder how forza motorsport won those awards. Best racing game is just a massive joke.

[@117johnpar]

Fuck right off with the "FH5 wasnt this bad" YES it absolutely was. Myself and many others actually genuinely could not boot that game for 2 whole weeks after launch. My save has been wiped twice due to cloud sync corruption, Its performance was nearly as bad, had just as many technical bugs. That game was a disaster and it took a year for them to even get to fixing it.

[@dusermiginte4647]

35M players on FH5.. Guess your opinion is just yours kid..

[@117johnpar]

@@dusermiginte4647 What an absolute intellectual titan we have here.

[@benn87]

For me, Horizon 5 is just as much a letdown as Motorsport 8. Almost nothing has progressed since Horizon 3. It's now all about collecting cars and getting cars for free at every turn.

[@Johnmarston1.]

I was genuinally scared that forza motoraport was going to beat gt7 but then it realeased and all was good😂

[@-sixy-]

console wars npc

[@blistery1875]

You actually should be very, Very, VERY, SAD, FM is phenomenal! Driving physics are next level and put GT7 to shame. Top level drivers are saying the same thing. All GT7 has to offer is more detailed car models. I have definitely spent time on GT7 and physics are a slight step above FH5. FH5 has nothing on FM. I hope this ruin your Christmas. 😔

[@Johnmarston1.]

@@blistery1875 no it doesn't because I know that you still are an npc or got paid by micro transactions - I mean microsoft

[@zacariascisneros6399]

@@blistery1875 Technically, Racing Drivers would prefer one over the other. Some will say GT7>Forza, or Forza>GT7 in terms of driving But in content? They're not even close. GT7, hell, even older GTs and Forzas are WAY better than the new Forza Motorsport

[@Johnmarston1.]

@@-sixy- console wars been dead since ps4 and xbox 1 buddy

[@XGPLAYZ]

Yikez Microsoft please refund us! Built from the ground up! You want to upgrade your car at the lobby screen like FM7, good luck with that. While it does show a car on track been upgraded?

[@martineering.evoluzione]

Well got this game on the gamepass on my Series X and now... No matter if I'll drive GT3 racing car or supercar / hypercar for the normal road homologation they're all flat same no difference. But if I'll jump on my second console PS5 with the GT7 game then immediately every different car have a different soul in this game and the most important you can feel this straight away. Assetto Corsa another example how different every car reacts and sounds plus more in the ACC when we get mostly GT3 racing cars but every different model reacts just different like in real life. So for now everyone who says... "Well nothing wrong with this Motorsport game because plays ok"... I'm feel sorry for them and that's the one reason why we'll getting crap games in the future thanks to them blind players. But what to expect from the US made game where mostly dominant oval racing tradition like a NASCAR and nothing else.

[@timgort1173]

I miss the xbox 360 days!

[@kimsoderholm9101]

I believe that microsoft is paying all the news outlets to say its the game of the year even though it isnt good. It´s like starfield, i cant believe the day 1 reviews giving it 9 out of 10 when it´s worse then no mans sky. Microsoft seems to believe that if they put a GOTY stamp it will automatically make people like it, but we dont so now they lost out on starfield and forza money and considering redfall :D i´,m still laughing thinking microsoft will surely not make mistakes with the elder scrolls 6 but considering the history we all know that it most likely will suck.

[@admittedbeast1596]

graphics are a big scam hopefully they will fix it as it shouldive looked lke

[@Nick-xd9bm]

Damn I must be the only person enjoying the game. I still have yet to encounter a insane gamebreaking bug after 15 hours of playtime. While this being said, I def think there is room for improvement but calling it utter garbage is kinda an stretch. I have played a lot worse titles on day 1 for full price that felt like a scam.

[@jonathanshaver3001]

It definitely has potential. I didn't encounter any game breaking bugs or glitches, but I couldn't get into it. My main issue is the upgrade system.

[@FinnSwede906]

Idk maybe its bc im out of touch and this is my first Forza in generations but i think Forza Motorsport is pretty fun and at times has some stunning visuals. I guess these hate videos are just easy views? After all im here

[@quebecpower978]

FORZA WON RACING GAME OF THE YEAR! HOW? It's more like deception of the year.

[@sbp6326]

It's incredible and unacceptable how mutch they LIE!

[@andreasmoller9798]

Gt7 is much better for me, fm 23 is the first forza i have not bothered with, and it dosen’t look good for even now after 3 updates, i dont think gt7 is perfect not even close, but i think its a far more complete pakage, its just a bit sad that every racing game nowdays have bad single player and fm has by far the worst one to date and since fm6 the sounds has gone downhill, fm 23 is the worst sounding forza to date, outdated inaccurate car models, terrible upgrade system, low amount of tracks, barely any features, gt7 has better car models, car sounds, better upgrade system, where every part effect how it sounds, and exhausts changes visually after upgradijg them, a lot more customize options campared to forza to

[@mikemc3541]

Chris Esaki should go into politics. Lying seems to come to him so naturally!!

[@stealthman201]

To add insult to injury here I saw that this game was in completion with borders gate 3 I think it was for best game of the year. When in reality there should competition here bolder gate 3 should won because fm is a freaking trash and crap shoot game. Six years later and we get this mess bullshit of a game. Craptastic track selection and again no qualifying for career mode or free play. This was a hurry up make the players happy game. Like fm5 was at the start. Fm5 is a copy and paste game I feel like I'm still playing fm4 but on a different map. I recently stopped playing it. If anything I feel like that Mexico map should have been an add on or an extention.

[@HitsuruKun]

We cant judge only one category... Is TGA legit or not?? Let me get this straight... never was!!! Is a bit too late to make this points.

[@Arnelyz]

Why isnt gt7 winner this is so sad that game was made for car enthusiast's

[@123mathtutorabc4]

they are not literally shooting themselves in the foot, they can all still walk just fine. You literally don't now what you are talking about.

[@jasoncarmichael4540]

They could do with some variety

[@SimRacingVeteran]

No I think Project Cars 3 was the worst ever. Forza Motorsports is a close second.

[@sbn025]

yeah i have to say the campaign sucks pretty bad. Its souless

[@briandunphy5244]

I’m convinced all that “brand new from the ground up” bullshit only applies to the settings that make it possible for blind people to play……real important. Yeah, hot garbage.

[@DaggersPOV]

You're just taking a bunch of random clips and trying to make a point. None of which is your own. It's not that bad. I haven't had any issues with it other than the known, non-game breaking bugs: multi-player replay etc.

[@William_Villalba]

I bought the premium edition a couple of days ago, i feel scammed

[@MattioBinotto]

Both racng games are ass nowadays, GT7 with Microtransactions and fM8 with whatever the hell this release was, but at the end of the day, it only matters where we have the most fun.

[@giothestupidass4136]

Finally someone with more than 2 braincells

[@askmyAK]

GT7 🐐 ed

[@nadtorus]

From a big fan of forza bcs of FM 7 and FH3 at the time, to an absolute hate because of FM8 and I just stopped playing. I hate every person in the every pre-release marketing video like f**k Chris Esaki and the team lol. I anticipated it so much, luckily I keep my doubt feeling and just playing it from gamepass. Only played it for 2 month and kept telling myself that there will never be a Gran Turismo competitor in other platforms.

[@RacerC45]

Hey! Not all triple-A games are terrible.

[@myashamoore5239]

int no way this the game it took them years to make

[@BUFFDgaming]

the bugs are bad.. main prob is there is really not much to do ... their should be drag racing drifting exc.. that would of change the entire game

[@Nick-xd9bm]

play forza horizon 5 then

[@joaquingonzalez834]

​@@Nick-xd9bmthis form of justifying a broken game is quite pathetic on your part

[@Nick-xd9bm]

@@joaquingonzalez834 I never said it was a perfect game my guy. I’m just stating that Forza horizon 5 is objectively a better game with those features and more

[@icemaniceburg2390]

What I hated, no GT3 events in the campaign, You get to race the cover car once in the beginning and no events for LMP1 cars.

[@AhmadGalalYT]

@@Nick-xd9bm Nah they are surely more fun on Motorsport. I had more fun drag racing on Forza Motorsport 5,6,7 than in the older Horizons. We should get an airfield back on FM like we used to have back then, drag racing was always part of FM's dna.

[@jasoncarmichael4540]

I have been enjoying it , ever since it can be saved now

[@alxxxargento]

Yes, it is. RIP.

[@billgates9838]

Avete solo questo argomento che si ripete all’infinito sempre ad attaccare Forza Motorsport come se solo questo titolo ha dei problemi vero? Mah per favore dai smettetela! Sono tanti i giochi racing e non ad avere tanti problemi quindi cambiate discorso che è meglio così ✋🏼✋🏼✋🏼

[@dannyspencer3035]

I couldn't play it until 2nd update, still cannot play multiplayer ,so im playing fm6 ,and for me i think the the Forza Horizon games are most fun to play ,3 being the the best .

[@realmustangboy6437]

might aswell play FM4

[@freddiecunningham2860]

Have fun

[@freddiecunningham2860]

My god people complain about every damn game in existence! Bunch of late 90'- 00's crybabies!

[@eugenelombard960]

I'm a Grand Turismo fan but have to give credit to Forza Motorsport for the tremendous job they did to the details of all their car models. Even the graphics in Forza 7 are unbelievably great and all the whining out there won't convince me otherwise.

[@maxseltzer]

your complaint is duly noted

[@DB-cs1fk]

Not defending the game because there are a lot of crap things they pulled but you concept of thinkig is a bit off. Why don't you build the car you unlocked alla the parts for make a build for a specific class & or style,...the b save it then used same car with everything unlocked & build a drift or GT or different class & save it. Then you won't have to keep buying the same car & take up memory quth 12 different cars with tunes ...just tunes. It's not all the games prolem.😅 just saying g