Forza Motorsport: More Than a Scam

Links and references: docs.google.com/document/d/1s...
Built from the ground up, Burnt to the ground down. Deception, corruption, modern slavery, product placement, are all themes you can find in 2023's racing game of the year: Forza Motorsport. This is one of the worst AAA racing games ever made, but Turn10 and Microsoft are trying so hard to convince you otherwise.
0:00 Intro
0:50 Pre-release
1:12 Visual Downgrade
1:30 Physics are NOT BFTGU
3:02 Employees? What about slaves?
3:50 Clueless Chris
4:37 Exactly what is good about the multiplayer?
5:24 "HoRiZoN cAsUaL, mOtOrSpOrT sEriOuS"
6:11 Every alternative is better
6:57 'bUiLt, NoT bOuGhT:
7:50 Racing game of the year... according to bots
8:18 Car XP mining
9:25 Sell games, and ads
10:59 Worst of both worlds
11:29 Online-only because F you
12:14 Xbox is fine...
12:44 The Turn10 badge of shame
13:09 PTG supremacy
13:54 Conclusion & outro
14:12 You are banned because F you
15:35 He can spot hacks with his eyes closed
16:38 Common knowledge about replay accuracy
17:20 Never been to a lan? Sus
19:04 The Forza experts
19:41 How to bring a car to a stop
20:44 How to not slip up
21:05 Forza experts, and the real experts
22:04 Closure

[@seP4]

Regarding my videos, they will simply be unlisted and still viewable in a public playlist. The future content will be centered around mostly indie and older racing games. Regarding the drama part of the video: Some people in the comp scene have already commented, but KZbin buries negative comments and so they're not visible. I don't want to abuse my platform and they should at least be able to share their side of the story, so if anyone is interested, I could make a followup covering all their responses on my second channel. Regardless, no side will ever come to an agreement, and it's not possible to provide concrete proof for many of the arguments. UPDATE: followup video kzbin.info/www/bejne/noWXd4ptf9qmedE

[@Tronscrolls]

I believe you man, This evidence seems pretty damning

[@jreezy524]

Bro, we would love a follow-up video. Most of the people watching this video can relate to what you say to some degree, and we're all sick of these big corporations scamming us every chance they can.

[@skgamer-zs6en]

pls give me pirated fh-4 link fitgirl repack is taking too long to install

[@Sandman72346]

@@Tronscrollsif you want to know for sure go ahead and reach out to people in the competitive side to give their screenshots of proof, I’m sure they will be more than happy to provide it

[@Tronscrolls]

@@Sandman72346 Hmm I just might

[@Beanibirb]

I saw a review for FM that said "If this wasn't the only Motorsport game on Steam, everyone would be playing FM4" and I couldn't agree more.

[@allenjay896]

It deserves to get shif on.

[@NVegianP]

id be playing fucking fm7 if it was on there

[@Bigbigpoopi]

Forza Motorsport 4 did have the best sounding Ford GT

[@BigE1205]

​@Bigbigpoopi FM4 just had the best of everything at the time

[@AnekoGT]

It is Solely because FM4 is the best game on the franchise. It has a shit ton of content compared to this atrocity.

[@apparentlycar]

turn 10 hires people who just turned 10

[@purwantiallan5089]

Or more like turned 7.

[@thenuvolari9834]

They were just built from the ground up, not ready yet

[@Kipe._]

their employees are probably Chinese kids in a sweatshop being forced to learn how to program, and the teachers teaching them how to program are underpaid and constantly on crack

[@hhaste]

mentally*

[@cromo5641]

😅

[@benlogicfactsshapiro]

The fact you can get banned from A SINGLE PLAYER GAME is seriously dystopian.

[@meyers0781]

already happened recently to a Sony PS5 user who got banned while playing Baldur's Gate 3 over a Fortnite purchase dispute. This is a live service issue, not a Microsoft issue. Not solely. And also even if Valve is more lenient about stuff, there's always chats pretending to be support team that would ban you unless you follow their orders, which lead to a stolen account. GOG is our only hope.

[@kpegc]

@@meyers0781 Can't wait for the day forced DRM becomes obsolete.

[@yobro6053]

@@meyers0781iv been building up a solid library on gog over the years, still waiting for fromsoft to bring their games over

[@dc-vw4qm]

@@meyers0781 lmao and there it is, the xdrone cope >b-b-b-b-but playstation!

[@ProGamer-lk9qw]

@@dc-vw4qm Did you even read the comment bozo? “This is a live service issue, not a Microsoft issue.” Basically saying it’s not Xbox or PlayStation, it’s live service models and content in general.

[@Accursed_Farms]

Thanks a lot for the mention! The effort seems to be gaining traction, I think we're going to get answers on this problem one way or another.

[@FederalPursuitVehicle]

14:18 Say it with me If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

[@iyadkamhiyeh527]

This is really outrageous, imagine paying 100 bucks for a game then you get banned from playing what you paid for!

[@NeightrixPrime]

What Turn 10 does is commit criminal and civil theft, at least in the US. It is NOT within their discretion to revoke access arbitrarily or under condition agreed to in EULA or ToS.

[@lucasgamezz140]

Even better. It says buy. I had this kind of shit in a business law course: If it says "Buy [Game]", and then says in the TOS that you are just licensing it... well the purchase is void. It was made based on a lie. Because you don't buy the game, you buy a license, yet the offer is for the game. Therefore, your intent to buy the game wasn't filled, and you got fooled, voiding the purchase

[@xZeroGrxvity]

@@NeightrixPrime EULA and ToS dont even matter either... some are unjust.

[@Fusion05]

​@@lucasgamezz140so you are entitled to a refund right?

[@gman1080]

Sony would make unethical amounts of money if they released GT7 on steam

[@snoopyshultz]

with all the ports coming from sony i think it's a more they would, but they cant port to pc

[@Wiiillllson151]

Yes they would but the issue is now that GT7 has the most realistic models on the market people would start sealing the assets and use them as mods. It's the fundamental flaw with PC gaming.

[@ryangry_]

​@@Wiiillllson151 even now they still did it sooo..... hard to do unless they always updating their encryptment which is pretty harsh

[@Wiiillllson151]

@@ryangry_ Did what steal GT7 assets off of PS5? Where?

[@ryangry_]

@@Wiiillllson151 internet is massive mate ;)

[@pugzilla330]

18:55, Competitve Trackmania had a scandal a bit ago where one of the top all-time players, Riolu, as well as a few others, were caught using slowdown hacks to set world records on thousands of maps (they were caught bc TM's replay system is actually functional despite TMNF being from 2008). Riolu's defense was essentially "I didn't cheat, and what are you going to do? Not believe me?" and assuming his name would stand against the clear evidence against him. Luckily, it did not.

[@guestc142]

Iirc he set the special medals in turbo, but I don't know if he used cheats there. This whole controversy really riled up trackmania lol

[@pugzilla330]

@@guestc142 Oh yeah, he also worked directly with the game devs/publishers

[@KazzyMac]

@@guestc142 iirc somewhere it was confirmed through the replay telemetry that it was a 50/50 split between legitimate and illegitimate for his medal times in turbo. i think it was wirtual who confirmed/exposed it.

[@droid1008]

@@KazzyMac and then wirtual was called out for cheating lol (which he did)

[@sondernfy]

@@droid1008To be fair, at that time Ubisoft Nadeo had no ruling for that case

[@L3RK]

Y'all aint getting mad enough about the 18 month contracts to avoid paying benefits. That's beyond greedy and scummy. It's just outright exploitation. And the products are suffering for it.

[@juicee30]

You taught me how to tune, You taught me how to drive, all while being entertaining. You will be missed.

[@purwantiallan5089]

FM2023 also never had a race car events at all. Even GRAN TURISMO 1 has race car events. Like GT WORLD CUP.

[@privateinformation2960]

@@purwantiallan5089 man i cut my teeth on Papyrus titles in the 90s. There is literally nothing on the market now that comes in any way close to how good those releases were physics and tuning wise. Forza is a complete fuckin joke in that regards, Horizon especially literally doesnt know what kind of game it wants to be, its not a sandbox game because youre stuck in your car and all you do is drive. its not an arcade racer because it has a full tuning .... thing ... and has a semi open world, and its not a sim racer because ultimately the 'tuning' on the car actually means fuck all and doesnt ultimately change how the car drives, it just shifts around the grip levels, or one thing ive noticed, is that your turning radius changes itself depending on a bunch of things.... not the car understeers and pushes out/oversteers turns in, it literally changes how far your fuckin wheel is turning which makes me want to punch stuff.

[@SidneyTurnerOfficial]

@@privateinformation2960 That might explain how my cornering became so bad after 'upgrading' my car.

[@griffinfaulkner3514]

​@@privateinformation2960 Goddammit now I have the INDYCAR Racing 2 opening music stuck in my head.

[@Lukas-lp2fz]

polyphony/sony could just kill turn10 by bringing gt7 on PC

[@KikuraKun]

And we could reach 1 million players at peak. Edit: Though I've seen AC Evo teaser few days ago. We'll see how well this new upcoming game from Kunos do.

[@gamtax]

Kinda wish PD would do that just for trolling. Besides, FM exists because there were no racing games as good as GT back then for Xbox.

[@rodrigo2silvanoob]

Gt7 = gt6 recycled

[@euphoriaggaminghd]

​@@rodrigo2silvanoobbruh

[@ftheweebs6799]

@@rodrigo2silvanoob even that are still better than Today's FM

[@c144gaming]

*Gets banned* *makes baller ass video calling out those who banned them and how there company sucks*

[@Mootkins]

Die-Hard (used to be) Halo fan here. What you described about the Development behind Forza 2023 is EXACTLY what happened with Halo Infinite during development. Now, Microsoft's 18 Month work contract wouldn't be bad for games with short development cycles (1-2 years or so), but when you're dealing with games with YEARS of development already behind their belt (i.e Halo Infinite, Starfield, Forza, etc). It really shows when the new guy has to take 6 months of his 18 contracted just to learn the tools, let alone learn what the previous people were working at. It's a practice that has made me lose my faith in Microsoft and I pray to God the same doesn't happen with the new Horizon 6 or Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. You made the right decision to leave the Forza community when there's so much better racing games coming out soon with more welcoming communities (GT7 to PC/PSVR, Assetto Corsa Evo, Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown, and so on).

[@meyers0781]

idk about GT, i didn't trust Sony either especially after the PSN debacle. AssCor is great, just be careful of the Steam Community, some lost their account with bans and scams. I even made a Proton Mail address so it helps to avoid leakage-based hacking TDUSC is promising, but again, watch out of the Steam Community.

[@satsumagt5284]

I believe their 18 month stuff will be the cause of a ton of enshittification. Can’t see it working out AT ALL

[@Gamebit257]

By the way. A small brazillian studio by the name of Reiza Studios managed to get the license of some of the LMDh cars like the Cadillac and BMW and LeMans for their sim-racing title Automobilista 2. Not only they managed to do a very faithful recreation of these cars but also implement the most important aspect of them: the Hybrid system, which is STILL mysteriously absent in FM despite the hybrid system being almost 10 years old at this point and many other titles managing to replicate them. Makes you think

[@rosaria8384]

They even made the real Project Cars 3 tbh

[@simeonyves5940]

@@rosaria8384 Agreed. AMS2 is the true PCARS 3.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@simeonyves5940and PROJECT CARS 3 is basically Real Racing 3 should've been.

[@simeonyves5940]

@@purwantiallan5089 The Game that was called PCARS 3 was not even meant to be PCARS 3... it was indeed an Arcade Spin off Inspired by RR3, Forza Horizon, NFS SHiFT and PGR, that was going to be called PCARS Turbo! It was Ian Bell who made it a Numerical Sequel, and in doing so killed PCARS, and SMS, Stone Dead!

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

There's also a fantastic fan made mod in AM2 that uses IndyCars and implements them better than iRacing

[@existentialselkath1264]

It's not just misleading. The marketing flat out lied. They claimed they had to rescan the nordschleife and remake every track because the old models weren't detailed enough for the physics. The nordschleife, asside from the trackside detail, is the exact same mesh as FM5

[@williamsuharja6687]

They just throw 3d tree and that's it lmao

[@somerandomdude2085]

​@@williamsuharja6687don't forget the random light posts that completely ruin the immersion of racing at night lmfaooooo

[@rosaria8384]

​@@somerandomdude2085 As well as the unnecessary added graffiti that doesn't even appear in the real world, and also the missing Metzfeld tree. Forza disrespected the Nordschleife.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@williamsuharja6687more like 1.5D car models.

[@SnowChickenFlake]

That's just plain waiting for a lawsuit

[@DrewBob-fh4ed]

Forza veteran here, completing every title since fm1. Switching to assetto corsa a few years ago, was the best move I made. I'll still play fm7 just for the multiplayer and having populated lobbies. AC and the upcoming AC Evo, will be more than enough.

[@GhostAsphalt]

its sad to see your forza videos go, even though your newer videos are a lot more fun (i have been saving the videos to a playlist so i can watch them later :) )

[@FiatUno2003]

This game being 6 years in "development" is crazy to me. They literally recycled everything from the older Forza titles, added 3 new things and called it a new game. And the worst part is that FM is a current-gen exclusive but it doesn't take advantage of the extra processing power. FH5 on the Xbox Series X looks absolutely gorgeous, but FM manages to look worse than FM5, somehow. Like, how do you manage to make a current-gen game look so bad? They could've released the new FM on past gen too and it would've looked "fine". If the Xbox Series X looked like the trailers and pre-release footage, you could at least excuse it being a current-gen exclusve, but no, it looks like shit. And I don't really mind games being a platform for car advertisement, if it is done right. I would love to see something similar to Need for Speed Porsche, where you actually learn and go trough the history of the brand instead of the game just being blatant advertisement. But that's asking too much from lazy Forza devs who can't be bothered doing something actually cool.

[@seP4]

just a poor raytracing implementation. all that processing power is being wasted

[@kireta21]

more like 5 years of development hell, followed by Microsoft giving Turn10 iron-clad deadline. Turn10 realised they're cooked, so they stitched assets flipped from previous games to what was possible to complete in time.

[@seP4]

the early private playtests took place on xbox one. it was never going to be BFTGU

[@GamingRecords1]

@@seP4BFTGU?

[@IIIIIIXploitIIIIII]

​@@GamingRecords1Built From The Ground Up

[@kyperactive]

This hatred was built from the ground up 😤

[@enju257]

your comment was built from the ground up based on a video and his hatred that was built from the ground up on a game that was recycled from the ground up 😂

[@M16_Akula-III]

​@@enju257what

[@st0zzers]

Your comment was built from the ground up because his hatred is basic fact and knowledge on a game that was recycled from every aspect with no improvements and the toxic community racing leagues being toxic towards other players 🤣

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@st0zzersKeke Tang while playing FM2023: BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, DESU.

[@kyperactive]

@@st0zzers This comment was not built from the ground up, I wasnt hating his hatred for this game 😎

[@agitatedtofu2511]

a note about braking, irl braking is very consistent for drivers as you basically train to brake as much as possible without locking wheels, so basically every real life race driver brakes to the limit of wheel lock nearly perfect (not all the time, but the consistency is up there)

[@rabbitnileley2488]

10:25 Yup, there's no MOTORSPORT in a MOTORSPORT with a MOTORSPORT title in it.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

that ban deserves a lawsuit wtf

[@seP4]

thats why we're going after ubisoft

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@seP4 I started doing everything I could the moment his latest video dropped

[@WanganTunedKeiCar]

@@Zippy_Zolton What is this referring to?

[@Rage_Spammer]

@@WanganTunedKeiCar Ross at Accursed Farms made a video detailing the legal actions people can take against Ubisoft shutting down The Crew. Basically comes down to France and maybe a couple other countries, US is a lost cause though. But, if any of these initiatives succeed, it could possibly scare companies away from essentially stealing people's games after they've purchased them.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@WanganTunedKeiCar the original comment? the ban he got for getting a glitch that was out of his control among Microsoft just not liking him for speaking the truth the other thing? look accursed farms up, huge deal happening

[@Felsham]

You can tell the reason he he took so long to upload but came with him cooking

[@bionazariwe]

he ain't cooking, bro straight up roasted the shit out of them

[@timetobargeinandgivemyopin7260]

What?

[@tabibchy8005]

He really cooked

[@purwantiallan5089]

The replay data in FM2023 is very broken like BIG RIGS OVER THE ROAD RACING.

[@yak-machining]

"he he" 🕺🏻

[@blerst7066]

It actually makes perfect sense to add Korean cars in a lunar new year update, since Koreans also celebrate lunar new year. It's not exclusively a Chinese holiday, contrary to what most people think.

[@superninja252]

pretty much most of east asia, execpt japan (even if adopt the animal year thing) celebrates it

[@dso3635]

Thing is, Koreans have been trying to use the "Lunar" to get rid of the "Chinese" New Year for years, which makes many Chinese people uncomfortable. So maybe T10 was trying to please both groups, but the addition of the free Korean cars and paid Chinese car pack seemed to have the opposite effect.

[@IncoGnito-ji5du]

4 times the graphics, 16 times the physics.

[@Gamebit257]

This puts into perspective how different GT's approach to its game was. GT Sport was, in fact, built from the ground up for next generation of consoles with very little of legacy stuff carried over (mostly the VGT car models). This explains why GTS had very little cars and tracks compared to previous entries (which reused a lot of cars from past generations) but it built a steady collection of cars and tracks that were built considering the 2, 3 games into the future and, lo and behold, they not only were reused in GT7 (as they were intended to) but improved upon as the physics and graphics engine were revamped for GT7 and new cars were added. Despite our feelings towards the direction of the single player portion of GT7, it's an amazing title and one that actually changed a lot of things from it's sibling game. You can see this if you play both titles back-to-back like I did.

[@Fusion05]

What's wrong with the single player mode?

[@BDozer666]

@@Fusion05 Watch Roflwaffle's video "How I Lost Faith in My Favourite Game (GT Critique Complete Series)"

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@Fusion05singleplayer modes in GT SPORT and 7 are ONLINE ONLY even in offline mode.

[@brokentilebench]

​@@Fusion05The Cafe setup is a literal snooze fest, which is worsened by how slow and stupid the AI is. Mission races, license tests and circuit experience challenges are super fun though

[@i_love_musique333]

​@@brokentilebenchmost of the "licenses" don't even give you access to any new events

[@natho1279]

Oh man I cant wait till 12/31/9999 when SP4 finally gets unbanned

[@rxshovxx]

His 20th-90th grand children will play

[@Aceken23]

Unironcally found you from the driving in Tehran video. I feel like moving away is the best move. You have a lot of potential for other style of videos man. Keep going at it

[@indicadierof45]

Another thing that has been normalized is games getting better through their live service span, instead of being functional on day 1

[@iAmCodeMonkey]

This should be higher. Agree 100%

[@xavalintm]

The most painful 70€ of my life. I regret every fucking euro

[@No-vq1iv]

Enough to request a refund? Because otherwise your regret means jack shit.

[@happydemmoman]

@@No-vq1iv "i regret every fucking euro" what do you think that means? of course he's gonna refund the fucking game jackass

[@NVegianP]

i made this mistake too. im a child with fuck all money and i absolutely loathe whoever priced this shitty game. i ended up buying fm7 for €30 with a key

[@NikosM112]

You and me both. I could've used that money to go travel for a weekend out of my comfort zone and actually experience life. I'm not buying another aaa game ever again in my life. I'll stick to esports titles which are free such as rocket racing, revolt and trackmania.

[@AbdAbdAbdAbd]

wear the pirate's hat next time folks, ill keep on seeding FH5 for anyone who wants it🏴‍☠️

[@wonder2k19]

Thank you for these videos, hopefully the playlist will be visible on your channel somewhere.

[@MEGACHEESE100]

That "totally unbiased and fair" ban is a blessing in disguise. Who the hell would want to play FM anyways? I look forward to seeing your videos on some wacky obscure racing games in the future

[@JustDevon]

Turn 10 has successfully made both of us give up on the series and stop making videos.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Turn 10 Studios: BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP. Ren Hazuki to FM2023: R U SURE ABOUT THAT?

[@FranquitoMV2004]

Im sorry for you man😢

[@MrHerbs666]

I miss the days when the worst we had was team drama and laptimes. Fm4 was the goat. Fm6 was ok. I also just hate that I recognized the gamer tags talking trash about sepi. It's embarrassing tbh

[@AhmadGalalYT]

I'm on the verge of giving up too, retired

[@rosaria8384]

I'm about to uninstall FH5 tbh, if it weren't for my many pending photography projects

[@bubbledaryl1115]

Genuinely praying for turn10s downfall 🤲

[@rosaria8384]

Same. They don't deserve to develop further since this is what they chose to do Edit: Turn 10 should have been shut down in the recent layoffs tbh, but no

[@purwantiallan5089]

Turn10 Studios i belive gonna be shutdown in 2024 because of how awful FM2023 truly is despite Luke Reilly gave it an 8.7/10. RIP TURN10.

[@FranquitoMV2004]

Where do i sign?

[@racingraptor4758]

They used to be good. But as it is with every big game studio nowdays all the old devs left and they re just riding on their brand without any passion... they all have to go to make space for new passionates

[@meskonyolsen6657]

"List of doctor sami Games" - Truck in Tehran (2003) - Driving in Tehran (2004) - Pyongyang in Tehran (2012) - Game Console in Tehran (2014) - Detective in Tehran (2015) - Motosport in Tehran (2023) *[NEW!]*

[@seritowatanabe6317]

Yay, waiting you on weekly dose of crashday matches, man

[@speederx96]

I hope those words “Built from the ground up” haunt them forever.

[@privateinformation2960]

"It just works!" "Yes the game absolutely will have multiplayer" "What? You guys dont have mobile phones?" Yeah if people havent noticed, publishers treat you all like retards.

[@ogabogamonke2895]

We lost a legend today. The farther you go into Microsoft the more corruption there is.😢

[@TurboAlice]

It's always been like that with Microsoft.

[@Housesider]

@@TurboAlice Legit. Bill Gates himself, if you read up on what he was actually like outside of his public nice-guy persona, was an almost cartoonishly-evil despot at times during the early days of his career. He's far from the only one in silicon valley who was like that, but still, can't say I'm too surprised at M$ being such a terrible company when it was/is ran by such morally bankrupt loonies.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@TurboAliceMicrosoft in 2000s: Challenge everything. Microsoft in 2023: DESTROY EVERYTHING WITH "BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP".

[@GamingFreeak]

I am gonna miss your FH content, but it is completely understandable. Cant wait for your future videos.

[@moyky]

Really going to miss your Forza content, still had some hope for a return. You were hands-down the most useful resource for technical stuff and there isn't anyone quite like you out there. Your tunes always were so much fun to drive competitively. Genuine shame how you've been mistreated. Best of luck in the future!

[@ralphy4th]

I've been following your videos from before FH5 came out and I've always enjoyed your content, providing a bit of comfort when I was stressing at Uni. It's shit with everything that's happened with PTG and the witch-hunt against you from T10, and I can see it has taken a bit of a toll on you with the change in tone of videos you used to make. I hope this move treats you well and I wish you all the absolute best for your future endeavours Sepi.

[@seP4]

it's fine. could be a lot worse

[@fastestmonkey6259]

@@seP4 Heck, we should be thankful fm turned out as good as it did, I got a gut feeling in a somewhat parallel universe it would have been just fm5 with a different name! i'm sorry to see you go sepi, you will be missed!

[@ShivanshEdla]

@@seP4 Ik you probably won't respond to this, but are you going to put the old forza vids on your second channel or delete them permanently?

[@xasumiji]

@@seP4 Just like how Clarkson would say "Still.. Could be worse"

[@SpearmintSerpent]

@@fastestmonkey6259 FM5 with a different name would have been a genuine improvement.

[@takemebacktothen]

remember when games only took 2 years tops to develop and they were amazing?

[@tandris1085]

yea, if fh3 was developed in 2 years, how was this made in 6 years

[@liesideways]

They were also made for CRT tvs and ran at 720p

[@hertzwave8001]

@@liesideways crazy in hindsight how those werent uncommon during the fm3 fm4 days

[@liesideways]

​@@hertzwave8001i mean to say game dev has changed, games aren't being made for crt monitors anymore so no point in comparing. Most Wanted 2005 was 2.9 gigabytes in total but in Horizon 5, the combined data of four cars can be more than that.

[@De_kaid]

@@liesideways Eh, file size just isn't a comparison point at all tho, just bc they use multiple uncompressed 8k textures for a plain yellow car doesn't mean that they're much higher detail. Most recent example is the Star Wars Battlefront classics collection, those devs increased the games filesize to a ridiculous degree with barely a noticable change...

[@KonTurboR]

1:14 my clip lol. Great video, the mess was well summarized.

[@bottomtext593]

6 years ago, as a PlayStation player, I would be kicking myself for not buying an Xbox to play Forza Horizon 4 or Forza Motorsport 7 Now, Im just here giggling at this pathetic excuse of a company with The Crew Motorfest and Gran Turismo 7 doing whatever the hell Forza ISN'T doing.

[@pendremacherald6758]

I wouldn’t about The Crew.

[@VintageCR]

bro i can't even play the crew its crazy. everytime i start the game, it simply refuses to go past the main menu. how is this better then any forza title? its been 4 months since i bought it, and still no improvement. such a overrated poorly optimized piece of trash game. yes im playing on PC, yes my pc is beefy, exceeding the recommended hardware by miles.

[@bottomtext593]

@@VintageCR pretty sure that's a software issue on your PC cause it works just fine for me and everyone else

[@Soxynos]

Well since the last update, the game has become kinda unstable. I played with Akor and some of his friends during two of his streams, and needless to say, each version of the game has his problems. Me on PS5, my game crashes when I spend too much time in the livery editor and sometimes in the middle of grand races. Also, I get a lot of glitching textures (tires, liveries, car interior). Akor on PC has game crashes in the middle of grand races as well, and when trying to invite friend through the game menu. One of his mods, Who's on Xbox, has connectivity issue and no engine sounds very frequently. Worst part is, before the last update, everything worked just fine. However, it's not unplayable, far from it.

[@MadKiwi22]

We are 100% in an abusive relationship with turn 10 , they keep telling us they can change and things will get better but we keep getting beaten up with broken games its been the same for years now

[@UItimateGuitarCovers]

That is so true

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@UItimateGuitarCoversseems like FM2023 rivalling LoveLive School Idol Festival 2 Miracle live, NHL 15, F1 22, and FC 24 in terms of how broken the gameplay truly is.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Hate to shatter your bubble, but that's most game studios owned by shareholders. Lie, manipulate, "listen", fix something to tide the community over, and then leave everything else to rot. Actually, that's most corporations, as they continue to charge you more for less and worse products.

[@MadKiwi22]

@@SALEENS7GTR5 true turn 10 have been doing it since forza 4

[@rosaria8384]

@@SALEENS7GTR5 spot on

[@krisradowski]

GTA community is like Forza but even worse: >GTANet circlejerk with headadmin behaving like he's from Resetera >bullshit peddlers like mrbossftw >R* literally doesn't doing community outreach aside of controlled interviews I just wonder what will happen if GTA VI flops

[@mr.soystein7849]

GTA VI won't flop, regardless of quality.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

It won’t. GTA is on the “to big to fail” on gaming, alongside EA FC, NBA2K, Pokemon, CoD, etc. Those will sell like hotcakes not matter how poorly and greedy are made.

[@reinbeers5322]

GTA6 won't flop at all, I think. Just impossible with the hype it has gathered from being thirteen fucking years in the making.

[@racingraptor4758]

Even if everyone drop GTA VI day after the release day one sales will be more than enough for R* to stay afloat. And I can see it being terrible ywt it will sell like Pokemon games...

[@DemoniteBL]

It won't flop, but I have a strong feeling it's gonna suck.

[@k-dog7013]

Please leave the old videos as they are. You have been an excellent resource for me for info to help my racing and tuning in FH4 and 5 with tools I don’t have

[@RealThomasFoolery]

Yeah, he should at least reupload them on a different channel or whatever.

[@TheTimoprimo]

@@RealThomasFoolery The videos will be on a public playlist.

[@ksb5325]

“Built from the ground up” ☝️👷

[@yak-machining]

"build from the ground down"

[@kilianfirebolt]

People calling trigger locks cheating are essentially calling a good 25% of the competetive community cheating. a lot of people have it built into their gamepads, and nobody speaks out against it when they do it

[@yoyogavri7253]

Yeah…

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Imagine these people entering inside a race car and being all confused when they see bolts behind the pedals which are used to limit pedal travel....

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Real race cars do have travel limiters on their pedals as well.

[@abrokenpal]

I stuck a toilet paper under my right trigger

[@zenksren8206]

It's like calling using turbo buttons on the Turbografx/PC Engine cheating, they're literally a feature of the official controller. If they want to complain to anyone, complain to their daddy MS for making it a feature of their controllers, oh right, they don't want to bite the hand

[@ishouldbestrange4574]

man its like we never left high school instead the headmaster got shot and the new headmaster is a toddler

[@Squareheed]

Growing up on Forza Motorsport, literally starting on the first game when I was like 6, and seeing how the series has risen and fallen is sad. What a game, what a history, ruined by greed. A common occurance in the modern world of game development.

[@mr740]

thank you for all the great and critical content. I hope i can still use your tuning guide videos, they help me a lot when trying to build my own tunes.

[@EdgyPlayer42069]

They probably gonna annoy KZbin with emails to take this video down because “our game is built from the ground up.” Honestly, if this is the standard for today’s racing games, then the genre is screwed.

[@NikosM112]

Play futuristic esports title racing games such as revolt, trackmania and rocket racing. I don't bother with aaa racing games anymore.

[@advadv-lb8in]

Not just racing but for all games and it makes me sad

[@xninja2369]

@@NikosM112 💯

[@Zhawn7]

​@@NikosM112 Wait, Revolt has an eSports scene?

[@rosaria8384]

The genre is already screwed for years now.

[@negan-pw7uj]

this is more than a scam!

[@mr-monk273]

Yeah

[@hexafluoride9899]

This is a fraudulent scheme!!!

[@Payday5]

10 years in the joint made you a fucking scammer

[@Callist0]

fr Chris Esaki needs at least 10 years in the joint

[@Payday5]

10 years in the joint made you a frickin scammer

[@Noxai.]

Bro the drama is insane. But you stay cooking sepi🔥

[@atomcat7461]

Everything about this video, from the subtitles explaining every detail, to constant evidence to back up what you're saying, its pretty good stuff! every inch of that game/community just reeks of a long dead franchise. sad but inevitable

[@trumangraham2602]

This goes beyond simple bad game design this is straight up a crime.

[@shogunmyoung9932]

Well, that's that, I guess. I have had a lot of controversies in the course of playing FH5, but nothing as big as yours. It's strange, but I do owe you a thank you for helping me realize that the Forza community is not exactly a good place to be around in. I avoided super competitive Forza racing becasue I want to avoid controversy, and even that isn't enough. I feel bad that you are being targeted in Forza since back in the FH4 days. From just playful ramming to actual drama to target harassment is insane, while actually provding useful in game information as well as good criticism to the game. Yet, other people are jealous/can't accept negavtive feedback and decided to silence you. In the end, I want to say thank you for improving my playing experience in FH5. I understand your decision to leave Forza behind, as it is clear that you have suffered from enough unjust hate, accusations, and bullying to you from this community. I hope that you're able to find something that you truly like to do, and move on in your life. I wish the best for you, and even though your Forza content will be gone soon, I'll definitely stick around for your future uploads. They are very good videos and do way better than your Forza videos. Take care Sepi. I wish you all the best. 🙏

[@seP4]

thanks, but to me internet drama is just tiring and time consuming. could be a lot worse

[@shogunmyoung9932]

@@seP4 True. But whatever it may be, moving on from this is the right decision. It's not worth your time sticking around in a community that despises you. Also I'm looking forward to your future uploads. They are really good and I like them.

[@linkfreeman1998]

​@@seP4at this point, let it be known that playing multiplayer games with crappy fanbase is a bad idea. Might as well not to play them at all.

[@FakeJeep]

I think the drama exists in every game regardless of genre. I've been up there in Halo, Destiny and Mech Warrior communities... and the more your name gets noticed, the more you get involved and the more you learn... the more drama appears. God I still remember being a new clanner and wanting to know what all the drama was about... until I was high up and could only sigh over group voice at the drama. The petty shit they're doing against Sepi though? Really BS.... legit makes me not want to buy another T10 game.

[@linkfreeman1998]

@@FakeJeep the hard but surely way to enjoy the games minus the drama is not to try and connect with the community. U decide whether the game is good or not by using game reviews and or ur own experience.

[@JDMHeaven]

Bro this is a whole ass documentary, congrats

[@tgez3r049]

Awww man, sad to see that this is the end of forza content, but I am looking forward to the coverage of some more niche racing games

[@roberts.wilson1848]

FM is worse than GT for gaming. The basic penalty mechanic is enough to set these 2 titles miles apart. In GT you have penalty serving each lap, thus forcing bad players to the back and not ruin further the good player's race. In FM it just adds a credit penalty which will be then added at the end, so you can have a bad player forcing good players off track in the top spots, sending those bad players way back to the back of the pack over and over, ruining their gaming, and that aggressive player to receive a moderate pentaly that may set them back maybe one place or two. People have literally stopped qualifying because of the murder fest in the first corners where top grid placed players get collected by the angry horde behind...and this doesn't stop because that angry mob continues to fight in the top places even after lap 2 or 3.

[@LickmaBalls-bs7if]

the only problem with the GT's penalty system is that a 0.5 sceonds penalty could be a 1.5 seconds penalty since it makes you brake at the start of a straight line and in GT sport there were dirty players that when they served their penalty would try to get themself hit so like that they would gain an advantage (I played GT sport since release and peaked at A(close to A+ or S)for driver rating and S in safety rating) GT's penalty system is still garbage considering the 2020 or 2019 era when they had a nice penalty system and ruined it for the rest of the game (at the end there were no penalty at all for contact hopefully the community was great)

[@user-gj4mu1uj8z]

not all games need to be live service its shit

[@nejakejfricek9356]

Awesome video as always. I'm just waiting for your video where you will talk about Rocket League - from awesome game - to most ruined game ever (maybe except Rainbow Six Siege). Considering in Rocket League you'll fly tru the ball, see how the opposition team hit the ball without touching it, in goal replay seeing that something completely different happened than in the game, the game sometimes does not take input from player, player get a random glitch at the best moments, it seems to me that the car is behaving uncontrollably sometimes, or the opponent has a faster boost than other player (I have literally had situations where they overtook me on the straight at the same speed, even if the opponent hit boost later than me) and I could continue.. (no, it's not a problem in our net or PC's [even our friend on Xbox said, that these things is happening to him, and he's very high rank] we test it). Well, here it is: Tickrate of servers vs client tickrate, and the f*cked up netservice to save Epic(fail)'s money. + Epic destroying theyre workers lives (literally they "forcing" them [if you don't want to lose your job of course..] to take 100h in 5 day's of working each week of work [same as fortnite, bcs it's theyre's money printer]). I literally remember the time, when the game was fuctioning for the last time.. two years ago.. but now, it is that unplayable (if you are trying to play it seriously, for ranks etc) that your only achivement is that you will reach the moment of not being angry on game, for letting you play properly without problem for a while.. And no one is talking about this. (Or it's just Central Europe problem [i didn't test it yet with someone])

[@munashezivhave9727]

Dude thank you so damn fricking much. You're the first KZbinr I've heard who's done with buying incomplete games. You are making a change and I thank you for that.

[@suizld]

I'm still pissed at myself for pre-ordering this shit.

[@flee4urlives]

me too

[@FakeJeep]

I learned my lessen preordering games after Halo 5, Cyberpunk and so forth... DON'T PREORDER GAMES. -stares at halo 5 limited edition box with disdain-

[@TurboAlice]

The red flags were already there, not sure why you still insisted on pre ordering it.

[@agentdiamond9211]

​@@FakeJeep I preorder Monster Hunter, but that's something else entirely.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Destiny 2 Lightfall taught me to never preorder again. I didn't do it much before that, but what is expected on launch and what we get has gotten so much worse in the past 6 years

[@cy9nvs]

Sony should see this dumpster fire and give us GT7 for PC.

[@Eat-MyGoal]

Pity, but I reckon they'll plan on benefiting from more PS5 sales to disgruntled FM players who want to flip to GT7

[@linkfreeman1998]

Dont bother. We need more things like BeamNG instead.

[@PCTutorialz]

@@linkfreeman1998 beamng is a sim tho

[@snoopyshultz]

i think they want to but i think it's technically impossible or would cost too much money to port it to pc to even make a profit. maybe the next one they can develop from the ground up for pc/ps

[@De_kaid]

Kinda difficult when their own game is a similar dumpster fire, you can still only access like half the content of GT Sport (not even including multiplayer, the vinyl editor that would've worked fine without internet or the hidden LAN option they used for tournaments), so why trust those people?

[@nearlyabsolutelybonkers]

I wish other major racing oriented KZbinrs could bring this stuff up, so as to maybe fix some of the issues that plague the Forza series, and also the gaming industry as a whole. Obviously none of them ever will, as it would hurt their reputation with Turn 10 and that means less money for said content creators. It just feels like they're too afraid to speak against the developers/publishers, even though in the long run it would benefit them and the community as a whole. At least quite a few people are chiming in on the situation with The Crew, and the blatant theft of the 'online only' practice may be ended or at the very least altered in some way.

[@TMSDerp]

So I raced in the FM7 Enduro community you’ve brought up from 2020-2023. My team was usually a high B low A lobby team and we would spend hours perfecting tunes for the various enduros only to be getting gapped by over a second consistently per lap. There would also be people who were never anything special but then all of a sudden would be massively quicker. Yet anytime we tried these “Pro tunes” they were horrid to drive. With some of the stuff you brought up it makes me wander about stuff. Thanks for the video tho as it sums up how me and 95% of my team feel. Cheers!

[@TheJayson8899]

Modern gaming is irredeemable.

[@michaelvelez6699]

Evenn scammers studios like Turn 10 that is the example of these damage

[@rosaria8384]

True!

[@haaxxx9]

Thank god that I still have my 360 and my PS3, brand new consoles lost all of my interest now.

[@namesii1880]

It is. But thankfully you can easily ignore everything these massive studios put out and still have more good games to play than you have time for.

[@racingraptor4758]

Thats why it has to go trought crisis (already is deep in one) and fall (its going to fall very soon) so it can be reborn again thanks to passionates.

[@darttroll7666]

I didn't watch a lot of your videos, but I liked every single one that I did watch. The world is big and you can always find something else to make videos about. Best of luck!

[@ezpzjayzaar]

And this is why piracy exists, because why "PAY" for something that will never be yours in the literal sense, not to mention the game is not finished, it's a buggy mess and people working on it are complete deekheads... YAAAARRR FTW. Worst money I have EVER spent in my life.

[@galenpedersen4755]

Sepi, I want you say thank you for what you contributed to the Forza community, or at least my Forza knowledge. No other person has had more effect on my understanding of the game than you did in your videos. You have won me many Open championships. I get why you are ditching it though after what they put you through for no good reason.

[@aeonx_LR]

Thanks for everything Sepi! Hopefully your ventures in other markets work out much better, and thanks for keeping us in the loop with what's going on with both yourself, and the shitshow at turn 10 and forza.

[@2cars10]

How do you limit the trigger input range on a standard controller?

[@omerdeveoglu6791]

Please dont delete your forza videos. I watch them time to time.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Others will probably reupload them since Sepi announced they're taking the videos down.

[@SpearmintSerpent]

He is unlisting them, they will still be available, just in a playlist instead of on his channel.

[@takemebacktothen]

1:32 that screenshot looks like it came from some old nfs like undercover or even carbon/mw

[@Zentafix]

funny enough Carbon Redux (fan mod) looks better then this junk xD

[@akt119]

I came into these games with FH2 and it was actually the golden era of forza. I played every game all the way till Fh5, it got boring, repeating playlists wasn't fun. Thats when I got a PC and moved on to games like asseto or beamng. All this to say thank you, for saving me hundreds of dollars on the new forza games that come out, with this information I will not be purchasing them. But you had and still have earned my sub, I cant wait to see future content. Hopefully the golden age can be brought back one day. Much love.

[@chadvenhetesugynok6399]

If ur really deleteing the videos, keep those where you expose the devs and the tournament teams Great video as always! 💪

[@whatislife1172]

ill be honest, ive been using AIO to fuck around in online lobby's, we are talking max acceleration and speedhacking around corners. I've been doing it for over 3 months and fuck all has happened to my account. The fact that I can ram some poor child off the track at 500 kph and nothing happens is such a glaring issue with whatever system they have going on behind the scenes its honestly astounding that these people host professional tournaments. To this day I've had 2 bans on my Xbox account both being in horizon, 1 for adding cars early and the other for setting ridiculous speeds on speedtraps, both of which lasted for less than a month each. Genuinely disgusted at the lack of moderation. Makes you think they really don't care about their games

[@tandris1085]

further proves that forza devs just hate sepi

[@zamn3710]

I've been reporting a couple of known cheaters since the past few weeks and yeah, they just throw the same copypasta at me that action has been taken, just for me to meet them the next day cheating their ass off. It's rare nowadays to find a lobby that doesnt have atleast one cheater or rammer. Tickets also stay open for weeks if not a month atleast.

[@rosaria8384]

This is why I keep playing solo since launch

[@Hoshino_szr]

I have used speed hacks and cheated wheelspins in FH as well. Absolutely nothing happened. The funniest part is, I did it with a free trainer that I found online

[@zenksren8206]

Well this takes a shit all over that one smooth brain's comment here saying "Hurrhurr complaining about getting banned for cheating lol"

[@d34thnote79]

Found a comment where you said you'll continue making content It seems many people received this video as a farewell to your audience, which I don't blame them for I was a lil confused too Glad you'll keep posting stuff every now and then! I'm here for the creator not the specific content series

[@tcaviation]

what was the name of the meme at 10:36 again? i remember it from like 2018

[@seP4]

ricardo milos ricardoFlick

[@Stevo0929]

Holy cow man, what a sad and corrupt community. Everything surrounding this once great franchise has turned shit. And for what? Terrible player numbers? Fake positive reviews? What a sad legacy to have. I really believe the forza era is over. Time for something to replace it now.

[@asierxs02]

please dont unlist the other videos :(

[@tbsmoke1463]

AGREED!!!!

[@seP4]

they will be in a public playlist

[@kaly_osu]

​@@seP4 that's good, they have a lot of useful information that no other channel has

[@kaiizo974]

Thanks for your work and investigation. Just so you know, I contacted UFCQC and another french customers right protection society to ask about a hypothetical lawsuit for false advertising. According to french law and european law and of course MS terms of services (which isn't much relevant considering the Kelsen Law structure we have here which put contract rights below national laws and then make everything in the ToS irrelevant for us) and see how it goes, either stuff happen or doesn't, but we'll see about that. Have a good one mate :)

[@meyers0781]

DMA/DSA was just a start, the final obstacle is CDA 230 (which is not only keeping UGC out of platform responsibility, which is to some extent, good, but also gives all the task of policing content to the corpos who owned the platform, which is as bad as it sounds), which corporates touted it's the "most important law*" (*loophole) but the US Govt are reluctant to repeal it just for the sake of sweet, sweet corporate tax income (not to mention the corporate spend billions, especially to activists, to promote CDA 230)

[@0Blueaura]

i would love how sim racing compares to pixel perfect runs people do in trackmania without using bots. its same issue.

[@virys96]

Sepi hear me out, I would say I will miss your Forza content but I stopped playing Forza around when FM8 launched and I'm still here watching this video....I've played only Forza Horizon 4 and 5, 1500hrs and 1300hrs respectively and I just got tired of their bullsh*t. You taught me so many things about racing in both of those games but the dark side of it is that you also enlighted me about how rotten and bad the competitive scene is and I considered myself one of the best keyboard players along side GrandmaDriving, despite being handicapped with not being interested in ever holding a controller I still had fun and tried to be competition to some of the best players on FH4 and FH5, but I'm happy that you reached the same conclusion as me...Time to move on my bro, you deserve to be happy and I wish you the best!

[@flehbury908]

The story behind this game is somehow worse than the story behind driving in tehran

[@rosaria8384]

Sepi even called this the game that followed Dr Sami's footsteps in the ending of that video. It makes more sense now

[@flehbury908]

@@rosaria8384 yeah i remember that

[@justinl7921]

1 thing i hate about the forza franchise both motorsport and horizon use total players in the ads, but they never use the current player base because it probably isnt even 1 million a day but they will say 15 million people play horizon 5 even though 14 million of those accounts are probably game pass users who played the game for 10-20 minutes and haven't touched it since

[@Eggygarlic]

I really enjoyed. Spot on, in depth and well spoken. Incredible job my friend. Im just sad at the fact you didn’t talk about the failure of the candy crush game that Forza tried to release on iOS instead of working on their fantastically terrible game. Sorry for your lack of inspiration motivation and dedication to the game. It was fun while it lasted

[@alankoop1165]

thank you sepi, you helped me so so much as i was first getting into horizon 5. with your meta tunes and information about community. you will be missed.

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

the thing THE MOST ANNOYED ME, is that when Forza 8 release, THEY BLOCKED me from installing or playing forza 7, this is really a dick move, i have a CD with the game and unninstalled briefly to make room for forza 6 (digital) witch worked fine, but when i re installed, i simply couldnt... this has nothing to do with internet connection OR disk state, because it was in perfect state...

[@electricboltz9028]

wait so if I buy a physical copy of fm7 and go to insert it into my series x your telling me it won't do anything?

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

@@electricboltz9028 when forza m. Released yes, it didnt do anything for like a full month, now it came back to normal

[@electricboltz9028]

@wd5vd I can also confirm the game works for me too. so I have no idea what happened to the other person. probably they got banned or something

[@Starlight_Collective]

i abandoned forza when 5 ended up being so soulless. i'm so sick of turn10, and this just sheds more light on things. i know you're unlisting and leaving forza behind, but your content is always really great in the time i've been subbed (few months i'd guess), so i really hope you find a new game and/or series to call home and keep posting, and i hope you find it soon.

[@shneeemeister]

Hit the nail on the head with this video, glad i watched it all the way through. I cant stand what has become of the forza franchise. I was really hoping to give the game another shot since I have not played since release... looks like ill just have to put it to rest for good. Live service games from these massive companies are truly a plague on the gaming industry and its why I have been advocating more for indie developers lately. This is the first time watching one of your videos and I look forward to seeing what gems you find for us!

[@devinstreater1763]

Are you using FTL soundtrack for background music? Sounds very similar. Nice choice.

[@justhere4637]

14:23 Campaign? That's online too? What.

[@203tron]

This shit is ridiculous

[@FakeJeep]

It's not piracy if you don't own the game~

[@haaxxx9]

$80 for this game and if you get banned for any reason you basically can't play 90% of the game anymore. Why the fuck would I buy this garbage again?

[@One21P]

Yes because they add new prize cars every update.

[@zaki8245]

40 seconds ago is crazy, keep uploading bro the content is always nice

[@kehdawu9866]

I susbcribed because you were honest with your words, 'that was the main video, the rest is average video game drama'. Thank you for making these videos and I hope we get the racing games that the community deserves.

[@LG1ikLx]

You have hit the nail on the head. This is clearly an advertisement and not a game. Probably why they couldn't delay again cos the contracts with the companies would run out and they would have to pay them. Microsoft's over reliance on contractors is gonna end them if they don't stop using them.

[@vi570]

WAKE UP SEPI FINALLY UPLOADED

[@Joe_Mama911]

oh boy, i really only have one question sepi, what can we expect from you going forward. sim racing? other video game genres? or maybe video essays?

[@seP4]

indie and older racing games

[@Joe_Mama911]

@@seP4 alright ill stick around