Forza Motorsport: More Than a Scam

[@seP4]

Regarding my videos, they will simply be unlisted and still viewable in a public playlist. The future content will be centered around mostly indie and older racing games. Regarding the drama part of the video: Some people in the comp scene have already commented, but KZbin buries negative comments and so they're not visible. I don't want to abuse my platform and they should at least be able to share their side of the story, so if anyone is interested, I could make a followup covering all their responses on my second channel. Regardless, no side will ever come to an agreement, and it's not possible to provide concrete proof for many of the arguments. UPDATE: followup video kzbin.info/www/bejne/noWXd4ptf9qmedE

[@Tronscrolls]

I believe you man, This evidence seems pretty damning

[@jreezy524]

Bro, we would love a follow-up video. Most of the people watching this video can relate to what you say to some degree, and we're all sick of these big corporations scamming us every chance they can.

[@skgamer-zs6en]

pls give me pirated fh-4 link fitgirl repack is taking too long to install

[@Sandman72346]

@@Tronscrollsif you want to know for sure go ahead and reach out to people in the competitive side to give their screenshots of proof, I’m sure they will be more than happy to provide it

[@Tronscrolls]

@@Sandman72346 Hmm I just might

[@Beanibirb]

I saw a review for FM that said "If this wasn't the only Motorsport game on Steam, everyone would be playing FM4" and I couldn't agree more.

[@allenjay896]

It deserves to get shif on.

[@NVProlog]

id be playing fucking fm7 if it was on there

[@Bigbigpoopi]

Forza Motorsport 4 did have the best sounding Ford GT

[@BigE1205]

​@Bigbigpoopi FM4 just had the best of everything at the time

[@AnekoF90]

It is Solely because FM4 is the best game on the franchise. It has a shit ton of content compared to this atrocity.

[@apparentlycar]

turn 10 hires people who just turned 10

[@purwantiallan5089]

Or more like turned 7.

[@thenuvolari9834]

They were just built from the ground up, not ready yet

[@ZayZay.mp3]

their employees are probably Chinese kids in a sweatshop being forced to learn how to program, and the teachers teaching them how to program are underpaid and constantly on crack

[@hhaste]

mentally*

[@mellooozx]

😅

[@benlogicfactsshapiro]

The fact you can get banned from A SINGLE PLAYER GAME is seriously dystopian.

[@meyers0781]

already happened recently to a Sony PS5 user who got banned while playing Baldur's Gate 3 over a Fortnite purchase dispute. This is a live service issue, not a Microsoft issue. Not solely. And also even if Valve is more lenient about stuff, there's always chats pretending to be support team that would ban you unless you follow their orders, which lead to a stolen account. GOG is our only hope.

[@kpegc]

@@meyers0781 Can't wait for the day forced DRM becomes obsolete.

[@yobro6053]

@@meyers0781iv been building up a solid library on gog over the years, still waiting for fromsoft to bring their games over

[@dc-vw4qm]

@@meyers0781 lmao and there it is, the xdrone cope >b-b-b-b-but playstation!

[@ProGamer-lk9qw]

@@dc-vw4qm Did you even read the comment bozo? “This is a live service issue, not a Microsoft issue.” Basically saying it’s not Xbox or PlayStation, it’s live service models and content in general.

[@L3RK]

Y'all aint getting mad enough about the 18 month contracts to avoid paying benefits. That's beyond greedy and scummy. It's just outright exploitation. And the products are suffering for it.

[@TurboFrend]

Seriously! That's the scummiest aspect of this whole ordeal. A game is a game. Proper employment benefits are life changing and these billion dollar companies are too cheap to take care of the people who make them their billions!

[@gabrielsantosbastos5257]

True

[@RubensBarrichello.]

I mean that's fine as long as the project would take 18 months versus 6 years.

[@SammEater]

Definitelly explains Starfield being so subpar despite being a decade in production. Chances are the people that started working on it got replaced less than 2 years after they started the project.

[@bigric5100]

Really stupid way to develop a product. But the most important thing is the stock price

[@juicee30]

You taught me how to tune, You taught me how to drive, all while being entertaining. You will be missed.

[@purwantiallan5089]

FM2023 also never had a race car events at all. Even GRAN TURISMO 1 has race car events. Like GT WORLD CUP.

[@privateinformation2960]

@@purwantiallan5089 man i cut my teeth on Papyrus titles in the 90s. There is literally nothing on the market now that comes in any way close to how good those releases were physics and tuning wise. Forza is a complete fuckin joke in that regards, Horizon especially literally doesnt know what kind of game it wants to be, its not a sandbox game because youre stuck in your car and all you do is drive. its not an arcade racer because it has a full tuning .... thing ... and has a semi open world, and its not a sim racer because ultimately the 'tuning' on the car actually means fuck all and doesnt ultimately change how the car drives, it just shifts around the grip levels, or one thing ive noticed, is that your turning radius changes itself depending on a bunch of things.... not the car understeers and pushes out/oversteers turns in, it literally changes how far your fuckin wheel is turning which makes me want to punch stuff.

[@SidneyTurnerOfficial]

@@privateinformation2960 That might explain how my cornering became so bad after 'upgrading' my car.

[@griffinfaulkner3514]

​@@privateinformation2960 Goddammit now I have the INDYCAR Racing 2 opening music stuck in my head.

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

What is this tuning that is mentioned here so often?

[@Accursed_Farms]

Thanks a lot for the mention! The effort seems to be gaining traction, I think we're going to get answers on this problem one way or another.

[@Gamebit257]

By the way. A small brazillian studio by the name of Reiza Studios managed to get the license of some of the LMDh cars like the Cadillac and BMW and LeMans for their sim-racing title Automobilista 2. Not only they managed to do a very faithful recreation of these cars but also implement the most important aspect of them: the Hybrid system, which is STILL mysteriously absent in FM despite the hybrid system being almost 10 years old at this point and many other titles managing to replicate them. Makes you think

[@rosaria8384]

They even made the real Project Cars 3 tbh

[@simeonyves5940]

@@rosaria8384 Agreed. AMS2 is the true PCARS 3.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@simeonyves5940and PROJECT CARS 3 is basically Real Racing 3 should've been.

[@simeonyves5940]

@@purwantiallan5089 The Game that was called PCARS 3 was not even meant to be PCARS 3... it was indeed an Arcade Spin off Inspired by RR3, Forza Horizon, NFS SHiFT and PGR, that was going to be called PCARS Turbo! It was Ian Bell who made it a Numerical Sequel, and in doing so killed PCARS, and SMS, Stone Dead!

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

There's also a fantastic fan made mod in AM2 that uses IndyCars and implements them better than iRacing

[@konosuhardbass]

14:18 Say it with me If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

[@IK47-d2l]

This is really outrageous, imagine paying 100 bucks for a game then you get banned from playing what you paid for!

[@NeightrixPrime]

What Turn 10 does is commit criminal and civil theft, at least in the US. It is NOT within their discretion to revoke access arbitrarily or under condition agreed to in EULA or ToS.

[@lucasgamezz140]

Even better. It says buy. I had this kind of shit in a business law course: If it says "Buy [Game]", and then says in the TOS that you are just licensing it... well the purchase is void. It was made based on a lie. Because you don't buy the game, you buy a license, yet the offer is for the game. Therefore, your intent to buy the game wasn't filled, and you got fooled, voiding the purchase

[@xZeroGrxvity]

@@NeightrixPrime EULA and ToS dont even matter either... some are unjust.

[@Fusion05]

​@@lucasgamezz140so you are entitled to a refund right?

[@mantha6912]

Forza Horizon fan here: On the official Forza forums, they would lock and occasionally just delete posts that criticized the game (even if written politely and made in a genuine attempt to point out problems), and even ban people who complained about their posts being locked/deleted. This happened to me, and I ended up making several accounts just to try and see if I could get another moderator to explain to me what was going on. None ever did. All my accounts were banned because I complained about what basically amounts to censorship, and then asked why my account had been banned from the forums despite never once cursing or being hostile, etc.

[@kyledodson2992]

Abandon Xbox/MS games dude. I did about 4 months ago and I’m so much happier. Their games are dog ass and their games are made with temps. It’s all bad. Run while you can

[@ophbmystik]

@@kyledodson2992truth. Moved from forza years ago and now its just hilarious to see the hole they keep digging themselves. “From the ground up” 😏

[@charles-davidberube1174]

@@ophbmystikloved the horizon series but then got a ps5 and GT7. GT7 is just on another level! Good enough to push me into buying a sim setup

[@Lukas-lp2fz]

polyphony/sony could just kill turn10 by bringing gt7 on PC

[@KikuraKun]

And we could reach 1 million players at peak. Edit: Though I've seen AC Evo teaser few days ago. We'll see how well this new upcoming game from Kunos do.

[@gamtax]

Kinda wish PD would do that just for trolling. Besides, FM exists because there were no racing games as good as GT back then for Xbox.

[@rodrigo2silvanoob]

Gt7 = gt6 recycled

[@euphoriaggaminghd]

​@@rodrigo2silvanoobbruh

[@ftheweebs6799]

@@rodrigo2silvanoob even that are still better than Today's FM

[@gman1080]

Sony would make unethical amounts of money if they released GT7 on steam

[@snoopyshultz]

with all the ports coming from sony i think it's a more they would, but they cant port to pc

[@FurBurger151]

Yes they would but the issue is now that GT7 has the most realistic models on the market people would start sealing the assets and use them as mods. It's the fundamental flaw with PC gaming.

[@ryangry_]

​@@FurBurger151 even now they still did it sooo..... hard to do unless they always updating their encryptment which is pretty harsh

[@FurBurger151]

@@ryangry_ Did what steal GT7 assets off of PS5? Where?

[@ryangry_]

@@FurBurger151 internet is massive mate ;)

[@RobertHarr1son]

Another thing that has been normalized is games getting better through their live service span, instead of being functional on day 1

[@iAmCodeMonkey]

This should be higher. Agree 100%

[@Ryzard]

Stop buying broken games. Everyone has to, and this will change.

[@charles-davidberube1174]

@@Ryzardthat’s why I wait 2 months after release before buying. Only game I trust to buy on day one is rockstar games

[@luxie8097]

@@Ryzard exactly. everyone complains about these things getting normalized, but it's the consumer who is normalizing it by continuing to pre-order, buy and support it with their money.

[@sambeezy007]

It's really disappointing it's gotten to where games probably have to be live service games to get better instead of great day 1.

[@existentialselkath1264]

It's not just misleading. The marketing flat out lied. They claimed they had to rescan the nordschleife and remake every track because the old models weren't detailed enough for the physics. The nordschleife, asside from the trackside detail, is the exact same mesh as FM5

[@williamsuharja29]

They just throw 3d tree and that's it lmao

[@somerandomdude2085]

​@@williamsuharja29don't forget the random light posts that completely ruin the immersion of racing at night lmfaooooo

[@rosaria8384]

​@@somerandomdude2085 As well as the unnecessary added graffiti that doesn't even appear in the real world, and also the missing Metzfeld tree. Forza disrespected the Nordschleife.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@williamsuharja29more like 1.5D car models.

[@SnowChickenFlake]

That's just plain waiting for a lawsuit

[@Stevo0929]

Holy cow man, what a sad and corrupt community. Everything surrounding this once great franchise has turned shit. And for what? Terrible player numbers? Fake positive reviews? What a sad legacy to have. I really believe the forza era is over. Time for something to replace it now.

[@MidnightGreen4649]

To be honest I think that the writing was on the wall when the went ahead with the alternate Motorsport/Horizon releases EVERY YEAR. As a kid I thought it was pretty excessive, now knowing what goes into game development no wonder the series fell off. There was crunch time up the wazoo.

[@rabbitnileley2488]

10:25 Yup, there's no MOTORSPORT in a MOTORSPORT with a MOTORSPORT title in it.

[@FiatUno2003]

This game being 6 years in "development" is crazy to me. They literally recycled everything from the older Forza titles, added 3 new things and called it a new game. And the worst part is that FM is a current-gen exclusive but it doesn't take advantage of the extra processing power. FH5 on the Xbox Series X looks absolutely gorgeous, but FM manages to look worse than FM5, somehow. Like, how do you manage to make a current-gen game look so bad? They could've released the new FM on past gen too and it would've looked "fine". If the Xbox Series X looked like the trailers and pre-release footage, you could at least excuse it being a current-gen exclusve, but no, it looks like shit. And I don't really mind games being a platform for car advertisement, if it is done right. I would love to see something similar to Need for Speed Porsche, where you actually learn and go trough the history of the brand instead of the game just being blatant advertisement. But that's asking too much from lazy Forza devs who can't be bothered doing something actually cool.

[@seP4]

just a poor raytracing implementation. all that processing power is being wasted

[@kireta21]

more like 5 years of development hell, followed by Microsoft giving Turn10 iron-clad deadline. Turn10 realised they're cooked, so they stitched assets flipped from previous games to what was possible to complete in time.

[@seP4]

the early private playtests took place on xbox one. it was never going to be BFTGU

[@GamingRecords1]

@@seP4BFTGU?

[@xxXPLOITxx]

​@@GamingRecords1Built From The Ground Up

[@Zippy_Zolton]

that ban deserves a lawsuit wtf

[@seP4]

thats why we're going after ubisoft

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@seP4 I started doing everything I could the moment his latest video dropped

[@WanganTunedKeiCar]

@@Zippy_Zolton What is this referring to?

[@Rage_Spammer]

@@WanganTunedKeiCar Ross at Accursed Farms made a video detailing the legal actions people can take against Ubisoft shutting down The Crew. Basically comes down to France and maybe a couple other countries, US is a lost cause though. But, if any of these initiatives succeed, it could possibly scare companies away from essentially stealing people's games after they've purchased them.

[@Zippy_Zolton]

@@WanganTunedKeiCar the original comment? the ban he got for getting a glitch that was out of his control among Microsoft just not liking him for speaking the truth the other thing? look accursed farms up, huge deal happening

[@meskonyolsen6657]

"List of doctor sami Games" - Truck in Tehran (2003) - Driving in Tehran (2004) - Pyongyang in Tehran (2012) - Game Console in Tehran (2014) - Detective in Tehran (2015) - Motosport in Tehran (2023) *[NEW!]*

[@konosuhardbass]

You forgot America in Tehran [2014]

[@adrianusterraqueus309]

​@@konosuhardbassWhich one is that exactly?

[@konosuhardbass]

@@adrianusterraqueus309 The Crew 1

[@konosuhardbass]

​@@adrianusterraqueus309The Crew 1

[@adrianusterraqueus309]

@@konosuhardbass Oh thanks

[@Gamebit257]

This puts into perspective how different GT's approach to its game was. GT Sport was, in fact, built from the ground up for next generation of consoles with very little of legacy stuff carried over (mostly the VGT car models). This explains why GTS had very little cars and tracks compared to previous entries (which reused a lot of cars from past generations) but it built a steady collection of cars and tracks that were built considering the 2, 3 games into the future and, lo and behold, they not only were reused in GT7 (as they were intended to) but improved upon as the physics and graphics engine were revamped for GT7 and new cars were added. Despite our feelings towards the direction of the single player portion of GT7, it's an amazing title and one that actually changed a lot of things from it's sibling game. You can see this if you play both titles back-to-back like I did.

[@Fusion05]

What's wrong with the single player mode?

[@BDozer666]

@@Fusion05 Watch Roflwaffle's video "How I Lost Faith in My Favourite Game (GT Critique Complete Series)"

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@Fusion05singleplayer modes in GT SPORT and 7 are ONLINE ONLY even in offline mode.

[@brokentilebench]

​@@Fusion05The Cafe setup is a literal snooze fest, which is worsened by how slow and stupid the AI is. Mission races, license tests and circuit experience challenges are super fun though

[@i_love_musique333]

​@@brokentilebenchmost of the "licenses" don't even give you access to any new events

[@Felsham]

You can tell the reason he he took so long to upload but came with him cooking

[@bionazariwe]

he ain't cooking, bro straight up roasted the shit out of them

[@timetobargeinandgivemyopin7260]

What?

[@tabibchy8005]

He really cooked

[@purwantiallan5089]

The replay data in FM2023 is very broken like BIG RIGS OVER THE ROAD RACING.

[@yak-machining]

"he he" 🕺🏻

[@_Devil]

Microsoft: We can't remaster FM4 because of licensing issues Also Microsoft: *has enough money to entirely buy the permanent exclusive rights to DeLorean, Jeremy Clarkson's voice, and "It Starts" by Alex Metric*

[@natho1279]

Oh man I cant wait till 12/31/9999 when SP4 finally gets unbanned

[@rxshovxx]

His 20th-90th grand children will play

[@jonasderclown4050]

Hope he does a video on 01/01/10000

[@ArjunTheRageGuy]

We be waiting for milleniums for that dude to go unbanned lmao

[@pugzilla330]

18:55, Competitve Trackmania had a scandal a bit ago where one of the top all-time players, Riolu, as well as a few others, were caught using slowdown hacks to set world records on thousands of maps (they were caught bc TM's replay system is actually functional despite TMNF being from 2008). Riolu's defense was essentially "I didn't cheat, and what are you going to do? Not believe me?" and assuming his name would stand against the clear evidence against him. Luckily, it did not.

[@guestc142]

Iirc he set the special medals in turbo, but I don't know if he used cheats there. This whole controversy really riled up trackmania lol

[@pugzilla330]

@@guestc142 Oh yeah, he also worked directly with the game devs/publishers

[@KazzyMac]

@@guestc142 iirc somewhere it was confirmed through the replay telemetry that it was a 50/50 split between legitimate and illegitimate for his medal times in turbo. i think it was wirtual who confirmed/exposed it.

[@droid1008]

@@KazzyMac and then wirtual was called out for cheating lol (which he did)

[@sondernfy]

@@droid1008To be fair, at that time Ubisoft Nadeo had no ruling for that case

[@cletusmcyeetus5975]

The only reason Forza Motorsport won racing game of the year is because nobody knows what the other contenders are

[@ahmadzahraniAAZ]

Nah, it's because the votes were paid for

[@ralphy4th]

I've been following your videos from before FH5 came out and I've always enjoyed your content, providing a bit of comfort when I was stressing at Uni. It's shit with everything that's happened with PTG and the witch-hunt against you from T10, and I can see it has taken a bit of a toll on you with the change in tone of videos you used to make. I hope this move treats you well and I wish you all the absolute best for your future endeavours Sepi.

[@seP4]

it's fine. could be a lot worse

[@fastestmonkey6259]

@@seP4 Heck, we should be thankful fm turned out as good as it did, I got a gut feeling in a somewhat parallel universe it would have been just fm5 with a different name! i'm sorry to see you go sepi, you will be missed!

[@ShivanshEdla]

@@seP4 Ik you probably won't respond to this, but are you going to put the old forza vids on your second channel or delete them permanently?

[@xasumiji]

@@seP4 Just like how Clarkson would say "Still.. Could be worse"

[@SpearmintSerpent]

@@fastestmonkey6259 FM5 with a different name would have been a genuine improvement.

[@MEGACHEESE100]

That "totally unbiased and fair" ban is a blessing in disguise. Who the hell would want to play FM anyways? I look forward to seeing your videos on some wacky obscure racing games in the future

[@MadKiwi22]

We are 100% in an abusive relationship with turn 10 , they keep telling us they can change and things will get better but we keep getting beaten up with broken games its been the same for years now

[@UItimateGuitarCovers]

That is so true

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@UItimateGuitarCoversseems like FM2023 rivalling LoveLive School Idol Festival 2 Miracle live, NHL 15, F1 22, and FC 24 in terms of how broken the gameplay truly is.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Hate to shatter your bubble, but that's most game studios owned by shareholders. Lie, manipulate, "listen", fix something to tide the community over, and then leave everything else to rot. Actually, that's most corporations, as they continue to charge you more for less and worse products.

[@MadKiwi22]

@@SALEENS7GTR5 true turn 10 have been doing it since forza 4

[@rosaria8384]

@@SALEENS7GTR5 spot on

[@Mootkins]

Die-Hard (used to be) Halo fan here. What you described about the Development behind Forza 2023 is EXACTLY what happened with Halo Infinite during development. Now, Microsoft's 18 Month work contract wouldn't be bad for games with short development cycles (1-2 years or so), but when you're dealing with games with YEARS of development already behind their belt (i.e Halo Infinite, Starfield, Forza, etc). It really shows when the new guy has to take 6 months of his 18 contracted just to learn the tools, let alone learn what the previous people were working at. It's a practice that has made me lose my faith in Microsoft and I pray to God the same doesn't happen with the new Horizon 6 or Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024. You made the right decision to leave the Forza community when there's so much better racing games coming out soon with more welcoming communities (GT7 to PC/PSVR, Assetto Corsa Evo, Test Drive Unlimited: Solar Crown, and so on).

[@meyers0781]

idk about GT, i didn't trust Sony either especially after the PSN debacle. AssCor is great, just be careful of the Steam Community, some lost their account with bans and scams. I even made a Proton Mail address so it helps to avoid leakage-based hacking TDUSC is promising, but again, watch out of the Steam Community.

[@satsumagt5284]

I believe their 18 month stuff will be the cause of a ton of enshittification. Can’t see it working out AT ALL

[@petejunebug]

Halo infinite should have been released a year ago. They choked that release

[@ratatatatatatatatata176]

microscam will do it again remember it

[@csikolaszlo563]

here after MSFS24 and safe to say it sucks lol

[@agitatedtofu2511]

a note about braking, irl braking is very consistent for drivers as you basically train to brake as much as possible without locking wheels, so basically every real life race driver brakes to the limit of wheel lock nearly perfect (not all the time, but the consistency is up there)

[@toby7647]

Whilst true, I think the competitive drivers use controllers, not steering wheel and pedals. It's much harder to be consistant at braking with a controller than it is compared to a physical brake pedal

[@matthewgamble95]

@@toby7647I exclusively use wheel, and lock up 50 pervent of the time where as on asseto corsa ,f1, iracing and automobilista its more like 5-10 percent of the time and a slight lock not a massive lock slide

[@Ryzard]

​@@toby7647why would they? Most people that drive competitive sim games use wheels

[@toby7647]

@@Ryzard Not for Forza motorsport, most use controller as its better suited to the game. I agree in general most people use a wheel for more realistic sims such as iracing etc.

[@kyperactive]

This hatred was built from the ground up 😤

[@enju257]

your comment was built from the ground up based on a video and his hatred that was built from the ground up on a game that was recycled from the ground up 😂

[@M16_Akula-III]

​@@enju257what

[@st0zzers]

Your comment was built from the ground up because his hatred is basic fact and knowledge on a game that was recycled from every aspect with no improvements and the toxic community racing leagues being toxic towards other players 🤣

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@st0zzersKeke Tang while playing FM2023: BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP, DESU.

[@kyperactive]

@@st0zzers This comment was not built from the ground up, I wasnt hating his hatred for this game 😎

[@JustDevon]

Turn 10 has successfully made both of us give up on the series and stop making videos.

[@purwantiallan5089]

Turn 10 Studios: BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP. Ren Hazuki to FM2023: R U SURE ABOUT THAT?

[@FranquitoMV2004]

Im sorry for you man😢

[@MrHerbs666]

I miss the days when the worst we had was team drama and laptimes. Fm4 was the goat. Fm6 was ok. I also just hate that I recognized the gamer tags talking trash about sepi. It's embarrassing tbh

[@AhmadGalalYT]

I'm on the verge of giving up too, retired

[@rosaria8384]

I'm about to uninstall FH5 tbh, if it weren't for my many pending photography projects

[@DarkOmegaMK2]

Imagine buying a game and then being completely locked out of it.

[@speederx96]

I hope those words “Built from the ground up” haunt them forever.

[@privateinformation2960]

"It just works!" "Yes the game absolutely will have multiplayer" "What? You guys dont have mobile phones?" Yeah if people havent noticed, publishers treat you all like retards.

[@MauroMeeusen]

You Actually believe all this? I mean go try it yourself, I don't think you can do any better.

[@jams9478]

@@MauroMeeusen I mean if you count the part "built from the ground up" is real. I think you should just keep riding on this shitty game while everyone already moving on to a better game lmao.

[@MauroMeeusen]

@@jams9478 i dont even play it 😭

[@jams9478]

@@MauroMeeusen oh oops! sorry

[@bubbledaryl1115]

Genuinely praying for turn10s downfall 🤲

[@rosaria8384]

Same. They don't deserve to develop further since this is what they chose to do Edit: Turn 10 should have been shut down in the recent layoffs tbh, but no

[@purwantiallan5089]

Turn10 Studios i belive gonna be shutdown in 2024 because of how awful FM2023 truly is despite Luke Reilly gave it an 8.7/10. RIP TURN10.

[@FranquitoMV2004]

Where do i sign?

[@racingraptor4758]

They used to be good. But as it is with every big game studio nowdays all the old devs left and they re just riding on their brand without any passion... they all have to go to make space for new passionates

[@Squareheed]

Growing up on Forza Motorsport, literally starting on the first game when I was like 6, and seeing how the series has risen and fallen is sad. What a game, what a history, ruined by greed. A common occurance in the modern world of game development.

[@takemebacktothen]

remember when games only took 2 years tops to develop and they were amazing?

[@tandris1085]

yea, if fh3 was developed in 2 years, how was this made in 6 years

[@MerrillDragonAge]

They were also made for CRT tvs and ran at 720p

[@hertzwave8001]

@@MerrillDragonAge crazy in hindsight how those werent uncommon during the fm3 fm4 days

[@MerrillDragonAge]

​@@hertzwave8001i mean to say game dev has changed, games aren't being made for crt monitors anymore so no point in comparing. Most Wanted 2005 was 2.9 gigabytes in total but in Horizon 5, the combined data of four cars can be more than that.

[@De_kaid]

@@MerrillDragonAge Eh, file size just isn't a comparison point at all tho, just bc they use multiple uncompressed 8k textures for a plain yellow car doesn't mean that they're much higher detail. Most recent example is the Star Wars Battlefront classics collection, those devs increased the games filesize to a ridiculous degree with barely a noticable change...

[@kilianfirebolt]

People calling trigger locks cheating are essentially calling a good 25% of the competetive community cheating. a lot of people have it built into their gamepads, and nobody speaks out against it when they do it

[@yoyogavri7253]

Yeah…

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Imagine these people entering inside a race car and being all confused when they see bolts behind the pedals which are used to limit pedal travel....

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Real race cars do have travel limiters on their pedals as well.

[@abrokenpal]

I stuck a toilet paper under my right trigger

[@zenksren8206]

It's like calling using turbo buttons on the Turbografx/PC Engine cheating, they're literally a feature of the official controller. If they want to complain to anyone, complain to their daddy MS for making it a feature of their controllers, oh right, they don't want to bite the hand

[@staciefreshener4032]

Actually It's the ultimate racing game , it has unique features from it's competitors like NFS or GT , Here is why : -> It has game breaking bugs you can't experience in other games -> A support system and customer care that shouts " I D C " -> Cars that don't drive as intended to or sometimes problems with controls to give that exclusive Forza Vibe -> The only game to have " bugs fixed " mentioning of problems that don't even exists such as mentioning of cars or parts that aren't in the game ! Indeed unique experience ! -> It's a game that you could get for free and still ask for refund ! MVP feature. -> It also has extra features like glitches and graphics of cars not well done. You don't get that kind of luxury to enjoy in other racing games. An Triple A game that has cars with misplaced stuff or parts that glitch out on menus , Indeed an legendary experience . -> The game is built from ground up ! to the point they didn't build it from the roots but just from the grounds it already has existed like Fm5. Six years of idle development like none other ! Truly Professional Standards !

[@xavalintm]

The most painful 70€ of my life. I regret every fucking euro

[@No-vq1iv]

Enough to request a refund? Because otherwise your regret means jack shit.

[@nicotine_twoshot]

@@No-vq1iv "i regret every fucking euro" what do you think that means? of course he's gonna refund the fucking game jackass

[@NVProlog]

i made this mistake too. im a child with fuck all money and i absolutely loathe whoever priced this shitty game. i ended up buying fm7 for €30 with a key

[@NikosM112]

You and me both. I could've used that money to go travel for a weekend out of my comfort zone and actually experience life. I'm not buying another aaa game ever again in my life. I'll stick to esports titles which are free such as rocket racing, revolt and trackmania.

[@AbdAbdAbdAbd]

wear the pirate's hat next time folks, ill keep on seeding FH5 for anyone who wants it🏴‍☠️

[@EdgyPlayer42069]

They probably gonna annoy KZbin with emails to take this video down because “our game is built from the ground up.” Honestly, if this is the standard for today’s racing games, then the genre is screwed.

[@NikosM112]

Play futuristic esports title racing games such as revolt, trackmania and rocket racing. I don't bother with aaa racing games anymore.

[@advadv-lb8in]

Not just racing but for all games and it makes me sad

[@xninja2369]

@@NikosM112 💯

[@Zhawn7]

​@@NikosM112 Wait, Revolt has an eSports scene?

[@rosaria8384]

The genre is already screwed for years now.

[@IncoGnito-ji5du]

4 times the graphics, 16 times the physics.

[@ogabogamonke2895]

We lost a legend today. The farther you go into Microsoft the more corruption there is.😢

[@TurboAlice]

It's always been like that with Microsoft.

[@Housesider]

@@TurboAlice Legit. Bill Gates himself, if you read up on what he was actually like outside of his public nice-guy persona, was an almost cartoonishly-evil despot at times during the early days of his career. He's far from the only one in silicon valley who was like that, but still, can't say I'm too surprised at M$ being such a terrible company when it was/is ran by such morally bankrupt loonies.

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@TurboAliceMicrosoft in 2000s: Challenge everything. Microsoft in 2023: DESTROY EVERYTHING WITH "BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP".

[@midorifox]

​​@@purwantiallan5089 challenge everything used to be EA's motto, not Microsoft's. Microsoft was never good and is long due for an anti trust lawsuit and be broken up, just like Google. They're de-facto monopolies, imo.

[@ishouldbestrange4574]

man its like we never left high school instead the headmaster got shot and the new headmaster is a toddler

[@walfe12e]

Hey man , hopefully this helps you refunding that 100$ game you got banned in.😊 Thank you for exposing such facts about this game that I did not know about and was for sure... surprised to hear. I wish you great continuation and I highly appreciate like you that dare to expose these people ❤

[@trumangraham2602]

This goes beyond simple bad game design this is straight up a crime.

[@roberts.wilson1848]

FM is worse than GT for gaming. The basic penalty mechanic is enough to set these 2 titles miles apart. In GT you have penalty serving each lap, thus forcing bad players to the back and not ruin further the good player's race. In FM it just adds a credit penalty which will be then added at the end, so you can have a bad player forcing good players off track in the top spots, sending those bad players way back to the back of the pack over and over, ruining their gaming, and that aggressive player to receive a moderate pentaly that may set them back maybe one place or two. People have literally stopped qualifying because of the murder fest in the first corners where top grid placed players get collected by the angry horde behind...and this doesn't stop because that angry mob continues to fight in the top places even after lap 2 or 3.

[@LickmaBalls-bs7if]

the only problem with the GT's penalty system is that a 0.5 sceonds penalty could be a 1.5 seconds penalty since it makes you brake at the start of a straight line and in GT sport there were dirty players that when they served their penalty would try to get themself hit so like that they would gain an advantage (I played GT sport since release and peaked at A(close to A+ or S)for driver rating and S in safety rating) GT's penalty system is still garbage considering the 2020 or 2019 era when they had a nice penalty system and ruined it for the rest of the game (at the end there were no penalty at all for contact hopefully the community was great)

[@iaia5368]

exatamente o que ocorre. eu desisti disso, e passei a fazer parte da 'multidao furiosa'.

[@krisradowski]

GTA community is like Forza but even worse: >GTANet circlejerk with headadmin behaving like he's from Resetera >bullshit peddlers like mrbossftw >R* literally doesn't doing community outreach aside of controlled interviews I just wonder what will happen if GTA VI flops

[@mr.soystein7849]

GTA VI won't flop, regardless of quality.

[@lumirairazbyte9697]

It won’t. GTA is on the “to big to fail” on gaming, alongside EA FC, NBA2K, Pokemon, CoD, etc. Those will sell like hotcakes not matter how poorly and greedy are made.

[@reinbeers5322]

GTA6 won't flop at all, I think. Just impossible with the hype it has gathered from being thirteen fucking years in the making.

[@racingraptor4758]

Even if everyone drop GTA VI day after the release day one sales will be more than enough for R* to stay afloat. And I can see it being terrible ywt it will sell like Pokemon games...

[@DemoniteBL]

It won't flop, but I have a strong feeling it's gonna suck.

[@shogunmyoung9932]

Well, that's that, I guess. I have had a lot of controversies in the course of playing FH5, but nothing as big as yours. It's strange, but I do owe you a thank you for helping me realize that the Forza community is not exactly a good place to be around in. I avoided super competitive Forza racing becasue I want to avoid controversy, and even that isn't enough. I feel bad that you are being targeted in Forza since back in the FH4 days. From just playful ramming to actual drama to target harassment is insane, while actually provding useful in game information as well as good criticism to the game. Yet, other people are jealous/can't accept negavtive feedback and decided to silence you. In the end, I want to say thank you for improving my playing experience in FH5. I understand your decision to leave Forza behind, as it is clear that you have suffered from enough unjust hate, accusations, and bullying to you from this community. I hope that you're able to find something that you truly like to do, and move on in your life. I wish the best for you, and even though your Forza content will be gone soon, I'll definitely stick around for your future uploads. They are very good videos and do way better than your Forza videos. Take care Sepi. I wish you all the best. 🙏

[@seP4]

thanks, but to me internet drama is just tiring and time consuming. could be a lot worse

[@shogunmyoung9932]

@@seP4 True. But whatever it may be, moving on from this is the right decision. It's not worth your time sticking around in a community that despises you. Also I'm looking forward to your future uploads. They are really good and I like them.

[@linkfreeman1998]

​@@seP4at this point, let it be known that playing multiplayer games with crappy fanbase is a bad idea. Might as well not to play them at all.

[@FakeJeep]

I think the drama exists in every game regardless of genre. I've been up there in Halo, Destiny and Mech Warrior communities... and the more your name gets noticed, the more you get involved and the more you learn... the more drama appears. God I still remember being a new clanner and wanting to know what all the drama was about... until I was high up and could only sigh over group voice at the drama. The petty shit they're doing against Sepi though? Really BS.... legit makes me not want to buy another T10 game.

[@linkfreeman1998]

@@FakeJeep the hard but surely way to enjoy the games minus the drama is not to try and connect with the community. U decide whether the game is good or not by using game reviews and or ur own experience.

[@christopherwhite23]

The moment in the video where you talk about getting banned meaning you could no longer play a game you literally BOUGHT, made me livid as if I’m the one who bought the game. That’s completely F’d up, shame on Turn 10/Microsoft for scamming its consumers.

[@DrewBob-fh4ed]

Forza veteran here, completing every title since fm1. Switching to assetto corsa a few years ago, was the best move I made. I'll still play fm7 just for the multiplayer and having populated lobbies. AC and the upcoming AC Evo, will be more than enough.

[@blerst7066]

It actually makes perfect sense to add Korean cars in a lunar new year update, since Koreans also celebrate lunar new year. It's not exclusively a Chinese holiday, contrary to what most people think.

[@superninja252]

pretty much most of east asia, execpt japan (even if adopt the animal year thing) celebrates it

[@dso3635]

Thing is, Koreans have been trying to use the "Lunar" to get rid of the "Chinese" New Year for years, which makes many Chinese people uncomfortable. So maybe T10 was trying to please both groups, but the addition of the free Korean cars and paid Chinese car pack seemed to have the opposite effect.

[@Pluvillion]

All these elitism for a game that barely follows actual motorsport traditions. These people are shooting themselves in the foot because us in the Assetto Corsa community are laughing at these pricks who think they're any better. If they like to stare at someone's gameplay to prove if they're cheating or not, why don't they just invest that time into playing a proper simulator like iRacing or rFactor? Either way, the game is going down the shitter. Horizon has the upper-hand now and would probably become Forza's identity.

[@Ryzard]

As a motorsport lover but outsider to the games/sims section, horizon IS the image, at least to me. It's by far the most advertised and such, and put on everything. Forza itself tends to mean "horizon" to most laymen.

[@Aceken23]

Unironcally found you from the driving in Tehran video. I feel like moving away is the best move. You have a lot of potential for other style of videos man. Keep going at it

[@galenpedersen4755]

Sepi, I want you say thank you for what you contributed to the Forza community, or at least my Forza knowledge. No other person has had more effect on my understanding of the game than you did in your videos. You have won me many Open championships. I get why you are ditching it though after what they put you through for no good reason.

[@JDMHeaven]

Bro this is a whole ass documentary, congrats

[@SteamyShukshee]

Idk whats up with game critics rating AAA titles well no matter how bad the game is ?

[@nightcreeper3839]

Money

[@GoaEnjoyer]

$

[@cin2110]

you don't trust legacy media clowns

[@FranquitoMV2004]

I bet money behind the scenes was the reason

[@kireta21]

free review copies come with strings attached

[@bottomtext593]

6 years ago, as a PlayStation player, I would be kicking myself for not buying an Xbox to play Forza Horizon 4 or Forza Motorsport 7 Now, Im just here giggling at this pathetic excuse of a company with The Crew Motorfest and Gran Turismo 7 doing whatever the hell Forza ISN'T doing.

[@pendremacherald6758]

I wouldn’t about The Crew.

[@VintageCR]

bro i can't even play the crew its crazy. everytime i start the game, it simply refuses to go past the main menu. how is this better then any forza title? its been 4 months since i bought it, and still no improvement. such a overrated poorly optimized piece of trash game. yes im playing on PC, yes my pc is beefy, exceeding the recommended hardware by miles.

[@bottomtext593]

@@VintageCR pretty sure that's a software issue on your PC cause it works just fine for me and everyone else

[@Soxynos]

Well since the last update, the game has become kinda unstable. I played with Akor and some of his friends during two of his streams, and needless to say, each version of the game has his problems. Me on PS5, my game crashes when I spend too much time in the livery editor and sometimes in the middle of grand races. Also, I get a lot of glitching textures (tires, liveries, car interior). Akor on PC has game crashes in the middle of grand races as well, and when trying to invite friend through the game menu. One of his mods, Who's on Xbox, has connectivity issue and no engine sounds very frequently. Worst part is, before the last update, everything worked just fine. However, it's not unplayable, far from it.

[@TheShyDragon]

5:07 ARGENTINA MENTIONED WHAT THE FUCK IS A STABLE ECOMOMY‼️‼️🔥 VAMOS CARAJO

[@omerdeveoglu6791]

Please dont delete your forza videos. I watch them time to time.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Others will probably reupload them since Sepi announced they're taking the videos down.

[@SpearmintSerpent]

He is unlisting them, they will still be available, just in a playlist instead of on his channel.

[@KonTurboR]

1:14 my clip lol. Great video, the mess was well summarized.

[@Filipe1020]

20:38 Please don't tell me the game is in it's highest settings with this very ugly tree shadow...

[@TheJayson8899]

Modern gaming is irredeemable.

[@michaelvelez6699]

Evenn scammers studios like Turn 10 that is the example of these damage

[@rosaria8384]

True!

[@haaxxx9]

Thank god that I still have my 360 and my PS3, brand new consoles lost all of my interest now.

[@namesii1880]

It is. But thankfully you can easily ignore everything these massive studios put out and still have more good games to play than you have time for.

[@racingraptor4758]

Thats why it has to go trought crisis (already is deep in one) and fall (its going to fall very soon) so it can be reborn again thanks to passionates.

[@justinl7921]

1 thing i hate about the forza franchise both motorsport and horizon use total players in the ads, but they never use the current player base because it probably isnt even 1 million a day but they will say 15 million people play horizon 5 even though 14 million of those accounts are probably game pass users who played the game for 10-20 minutes and haven't touched it since

[@Aidan0802]

I was one of the few who was invited to test/play this game in the beta playtest server and this game is absolute garbage, I feel betrayed, completely out of my mind for buying the $100 game, I’m glad I haven’t played this game since November

[@whatislife1172]

ill be honest, ive been using AIO to fuck around in online lobby's, we are talking max acceleration and speedhacking around corners. I've been doing it for over 3 months and fuck all has happened to my account. The fact that I can ram some poor child off the track at 500 kph and nothing happens is such a glaring issue with whatever system they have going on behind the scenes its honestly astounding that these people host professional tournaments. To this day I've had 2 bans on my Xbox account both being in horizon, 1 for adding cars early and the other for setting ridiculous speeds on speedtraps, both of which lasted for less than a month each. Genuinely disgusted at the lack of moderation. Makes you think they really don't care about their games

[@tandris1085]

further proves that forza devs just hate sepi

[@zamn3710]

I've been reporting a couple of known cheaters since the past few weeks and yeah, they just throw the same copypasta at me that action has been taken, just for me to meet them the next day cheating their ass off. It's rare nowadays to find a lobby that doesnt have atleast one cheater or rammer. Tickets also stay open for weeks if not a month atleast.

[@rosaria8384]

This is why I keep playing solo since launch

[@jsfyxzuf117]

I have used speed hacks and cheated wheelspins in FH as well. Absolutely nothing happened. The funniest part is, I did it with a free trainer that I found online

[@zenksren8206]

Well this takes a shit all over that one smooth brain's comment here saying "Hurrhurr complaining about getting banned for cheating lol"

[@UltLolly]

its sad to see your forza videos go, even though your newer videos are a lot more fun (i have been saving the videos to a playlist so i can watch them later :) )

[@c144gaming]

*Gets banned* *makes baller ass video calling out those who banned them and how there company sucks*

[@OGSiX33]

Correction: guy who got banned in every forza title and created tons of videos on bannable cheats/hacks gets banned again, then decides to throw his toys out of the pram, and gets mad af because he can't play an "unplayable", "terrible" game by a "corrupt" company. Make it make sense.

[@Ryzard]

​@@OGSiX33if you watch the video it's pretty clear

[@heavyhorsepower6002]

​@@RyzardHow can he watch the video when he's too busy meat riding a shit game with an even shittier community?

[@asierxs02]

please dont unlist the other videos :(

[@tbsmoke1463]

AGREED!!!!

[@seP4]

they will be in a public playlist

[@kaly_osu]

​@@seP4 that's good, they have a lot of useful information that no other channel has

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

the thing THE MOST ANNOYED ME, is that when Forza 8 release, THEY BLOCKED me from installing or playing forza 7, this is really a dick move, i have a CD with the game and unninstalled briefly to make room for forza 6 (digital) witch worked fine, but when i re installed, i simply couldnt... this has nothing to do with internet connection OR disk state, because it was in perfect state...

[@electricboltz9028]

wait so if I buy a physical copy of fm7 and go to insert it into my series x your telling me it won't do anything?

[@PedroHenriquePS00000]

@@electricboltz9028 when forza m. Released yes, it didnt do anything for like a full month, now it came back to normal

[@electricboltz9028]

wd5vd I can also confirm the game works for me too. so I have no idea what happened to the other person. probably they got banned or something

[@netako]

5:50: That is the fastest 911 I've ever seen.

[@Alfxyizz]

Thanks for your work and investigation. Just so you know, I contacted UFCQC and another french customers right protection society to ask about a hypothetical lawsuit for false advertising. According to french law and european law and of course MS terms of services (which isn't much relevant considering the Kelsen Law structure we have here which put contract rights below national laws and then make everything in the ToS irrelevant for us) and see how it goes, either stuff happen or doesn't, but we'll see about that. Have a good one mate :)

[@meyers0781]

DMA/DSA was just a start, the final obstacle is CDA 230 (which is not only keeping UGC out of platform responsibility, which is to some extent, good, but also gives all the task of policing content to the corpos who owned the platform, which is as bad as it sounds), which corporates touted it's the "most important law*" (*loophole) but the US Govt are reluctant to repeal it just for the sake of sweet, sweet corporate tax income (not to mention the corporate spend billions, especially to activists, to promote CDA 230)

[@suizld]

I'm still pissed at myself for pre-ordering this shit.

[@flee4urlives]

me too

[@FakeJeep]

I learned my lessen preordering games after Halo 5, Cyberpunk and so forth... DON'T PREORDER GAMES. -stares at halo 5 limited edition box with disdain-

[@TurboAlice]

The red flags were already there, not sure why you still insisted on pre ordering it.

[@agentdiamond9211]

​@@FakeJeep I preorder Monster Hunter, but that's something else entirely.

[@SALEENS7GTR5]

Destiny 2 Lightfall taught me to never preorder again. I didn't do it much before that, but what is expected on launch and what we get has gotten so much worse in the past 6 years

[@0Blueaura]

i would love how sim racing compares to pixel perfect runs people do in trackmania without using bots. its same issue.

[@d34thnote79]

Found a comment where you said you'll continue making content It seems many people received this video as a farewell to your audience, which I don't blame them for I was a lil confused too Glad you'll keep posting stuff every now and then! I'm here for the creator not the specific content series

[@Starlight_Collective]

i abandoned forza when 5 ended up being so soulless. i'm so sick of turn10, and this just sheds more light on things. i know you're unlisting and leaving forza behind, but your content is always really great in the time i've been subbed (few months i'd guess), so i really hope you find a new game and/or series to call home and keep posting, and i hope you find it soon.

[@BostilCensurado]

i dont get why people still go to review sites, they are all 100% paid for and with fake user reviews

[@cy9nvs]

Sony should see this dumpster fire and give us GT7 for PC.

[@Eat-MyGoal]

Pity, but I reckon they'll plan on benefiting from more PS5 sales to disgruntled FM players who want to flip to GT7

[@linkfreeman1998]

Dont bother. We need more things like BeamNG instead.

[@PCTutorialz]

@@linkfreeman1998 beamng is a sim tho

[@snoopyshultz]

i think they want to but i think it's technically impossible or would cost too much money to port it to pc to even make a profit. maybe the next one they can develop from the ground up for pc/ps

[@De_kaid]

Kinda difficult when their own game is a similar dumpster fire, you can still only access like half the content of GT Sport (not even including multiplayer, the vinyl editor that would've worked fine without internet or the hidden LAN option they used for tournaments), so why trust those people?

[@FakeJeep]

Honestly when I saw the trailer and heard "built from the ground up" and then saw the same wing we've had from the beginning... ya I called BS. I also quit playing when the transparency mod/program was banned... that people used to make photo realistic vinyls... yet other things are still not fixed, patched or banned. Sigh. It's a shame to see you go, but I 100% understand why. I myself honestly don't know if I'll buy another FM game in the future at this rate... Guess I can only hope Solar Crown isn't a failure like TDU2...

[@mohidafzal3283]

I remember the vinyl mod drama, their lame excuse to ban it was that it would give PC players an unfair advantage over Xbox players, but they won't bother making a vinyl creation system cause that's too much to ask

[@superninja252]

@@mohidafzal3283 the program wasnt banned, is still on limbo for 2 years already

[@Airbigbawls]

I have not a single hope for solar crown man, they've delayed the game so many times. The gameplay reveal was a disaster, the physics and ai looked ass and the driving looked mediocre at best, just another simcade handling model we've seen 1000 times before this. The map looks alright though.

[@FrieNDA_]

Thank you for the shoutout Sepi!!

[@takemebacktothen]

1:32 that screenshot looks like it came from some old nfs like undercover or even carbon/mw

[@Zentafix]

funny enough Carbon Redux (fan mod) looks better then this junk xD

[@negan-pw7uj]

this is more than a scam!

[@mr-monk273]

Yeah

[@hexafluoride9899]

This is a fraudulent scheme!!!

[@Payday5]

10 years in the joint made you a fucking scammer

[@Callist0]

fr Chris Esaki needs at least 10 years in the joint

[@Payday5]

10 years in the joint made you a frickin scammer

[@ElShogoso]

The thing that baffles me the most about FM is that I would assume that the motorsport game would have a career focused on... motorsport. But it's all road cars. The game has all these cool race cars (ported over from FM7) but you can only use them on arcade or multiplayer. Even GT7's lackluster career mode still tries to get you to drive a variety of different cars, not just tuned street cars. So there's really no point in picking it over horizon which is supposed to be the road racing game if that's what you wanna race. And people who want motorsports... Now is a good time as any to hop into more serious simracing and try ACC or AMS2 for example.

[@rosaria8384]

It's even more hilarious that race cars in FH have a purpose compared to FM2023. You could even throw a race car against other extreme track toys and just fuck around with them.

[@vi570]

WAKE UP SEPI FINALLY UPLOADED

[@ksb5325]

“Built from the ground up” ☝️👷

[@yak-machining]

"build from the ground down"

[@cdeepmusic]

It's up to us as gamers to stop that "live service" games model

[@Joe_Mama911]

oh boy, i really only have one question sepi, what can we expect from you going forward. sim racing? other video game genres? or maybe video essays?

[@seP4]

indie and older racing games

[@Joe_Mama911]

@@seP4 alright ill stick around

[@fastlanegaming]

Thanks for all the work you put into all the videos that will be unIisted. I hope they learn from the current state of the franchise, it’s an absolute confusing mess. And yes, absolutely more than just a sc@m

[@TheCaveman256]

Remember folks: games are not a service, they're a product. Live service games are a scam and should be made illegal

[@niismo.]

Sepi, I've been watching you for maybe 2-3 years now, back when your channel was just called "SepiSP4" and there was no voice-overs in your videos, only text. I just wanted to tell you that I have huge respect towards you and am really impressed by your brutal honesty towards the very game which you played for thousands of hours and gained notoriety with. I am really happy for how your channel has developed and love the stuff you are doing. Keep up the good work, it's always great to see someone wipe the floor with another scummy game developer! ❤

[@justhere4637]

14:23 Campaign? That's online too? What.

[@203tron]

This shit is ridiculous

[@FakeJeep]

It's not piracy if you don't own the game~

[@haaxxx9]

$80 for this game and if you get banned for any reason you basically can't play 90% of the game anymore. Why the fuck would I buy this garbage again?

[@One21P]

Yes because they add new prize cars every update.

[@chadvenhetesugynok6399]

If ur really deleteing the videos, keep those where you expose the devs and the tournament teams Great video as always! 💪

[@zachmoize6075]

If "from the ground up" means it's made from nothing, then yes, from nothing. *Nothing fucking good*

[@kuriankeralaIndia]

You know what I pre order this game then just before launch i refunded it. That was the greatest thing i ever did to save money. It cost me 5,000 something Indian rupees for the standard edition which is enough to live through a day. The trailer screemed "bad game with bad UI"

[@gergelyracz7324]

well i didn't expect to see my country's language in a english speaking video from where ever you are making these from, was that a bug, or you really used Hungarian at 13:10? :D

[@notb4ck]

quite possible hes using someone's clip who may be hungarian (hes iranian btw)

[@gergelyracz7324]

@notb4ck probably :D anyway it sounded almost like what happened with shinyodd in fh4

[@RatedShadowXrd]

As a former forza and current Gran Turismo fan, I’m disappointed in FM. I wanted forza to succeed to entice competition so both Sony and Microsoft can learn to improve and engage creative avenue with updates and future game releases But due to Turn 10 and Playground Games + Microsoft/ Xbox current gaming mindset and incompetence, it’s sad to see a studio fallen.

[@GodlyKJ]

Forza Horizon 4 > Forza Motorsport Halo 3 > Halo Infinite Battlefield 3 > Battlefield 2042 Black ops 2 > Modern Warfare III Payday 2 > Payday 3 Why on Earth can't these companies make a single game better than their older titles?? Just take what the game had and build on top of it.

[@writenamehere1536]

i felt scammed when i bought FH5 and it offered practically no improvement over the last game, which didnt offer much from the last etc. etc. Cant imagine what people who bought FM think now, im glad i dont have it.

[@mvg-1776]

Gt7's driver rating and sportsmanship rating are a joke. They match dirty zero sportsmanship drivers with drivers that actually believe in clean competitive racing.

[@podio_km4g532]

21:40 there's no way to understand if a lap is cheated even with telemetry tbh, in ACC many tournaments ask for it but you really can't tell much considering the cheaters run such light ones that those could be easily mistaken for driving/setup differences. So guys sepi is right, cheating is borderline impossible to find out in racing games without an anticheat

[@St1llUnkn0wn]

Wouldn't recording base stats of every car before the race and running a simulation based on telemetry can tell if there's something off? (Assuming server's tickrate remain consistent)

[@podio_km4g532]

@@St1llUnkn0wn server tickrate on ACC is kinda low and the game is non deterministic. Plus replay data suffers more or less of the same problem FM has, we have minor speed discrepancies but those are enough to fuck up everything

[@St1llUnkn0wn]

@@podio_km4g532 Ah, atleast we know the solution is literally right there(?). We're only missing devs that really care about their game.

[@podio_km4g532]

@@St1llUnkn0wn ofc it's right there, iracing does have a working anticheat