Foundation Episode 3 Review (This Is Very Different From The Books)

[@Chaos_God_of_Fate]

Even though it's not part of the story, the emperor parts have been my favorite parts so far. It humanizes ultimate power- even as the most powerful being that we know about we can't avoid unhappiness/problems.

[@JaquesBobè]

It feels like the show was given to the wrong creative team. Foundation was never an exciting action-hero story like Mandalorian. It's about people sitting around in rooms, arguing, solving issues using political strategy and scientific method, and deciding the faiths of billions. It should look like House of Cards, or Succession, or Chernobyl.

[@ALwinDigital]

The show could have started with Prelude to Foundation and that would have had more "action".

[@JordonBeal]

Not being very familiar with the books, I’ve enjoyed it so far. Different perspectives. 1:1 adaptations seem really pointless to me.

[@ALwinDigital]

@@JordonBeal if you haven't read the books, you're going to miss out on a lot of the finer points of the stories/plots because the tv show is doing a very very very bad job of telling the story. Correction: not a very bad job. An absolutely shitty job of telling the story.

[@Hollywood_without_redheads]

@@JordonBeal He should not adapt the masterpiece, but go and create his own story, but now it uses the name of the masterpiece, but tells a work that has nothing to do with the original, which is fraud.

[@Raygo.]

@@ALwinDigital I think you're being way too hard and uncompromising. A TV show and a series of books can surely both be appreciated for what they are... which is 2 different forms of creativity when all is said and done. A slavish 1:1 adaptation would be pointless, and could not be expected to appeal to a wider audience. So far I've been fascinated and entertained by the show, which looks beautiful, has great performances, and is I think creating an amazing and awe-inspiring fantasy world.

[@thevalonqar2238]

I agree the Genetic Dynasty is the most entertaining part of the show. Great overview I like hearing your perspective as a book reader, I have not read them.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

I’m guessing they accelerated the first Seldon Crisis to keep the main characters young & they apparently want the audience to think that Salvor Hardin is Gaal Dornick’s kid that got put in the embryo bank back in episode 2, otherwise why bring out the magic math crystal? The Empire storyline keeps being interesting. I really do hope they don’t get too attached to any of the Terminus cast - the time jumps for the various crises should preclude that. I really, really hope they don’t go the route of making all the prominent characters descendants of Gaal Dornick - that’d be a mistake IMO. Psychohistory is supposed to be a way to predict the behavior of large groups of people over time, not plan out the lives a special family of special people to be in the right place at the right time.

[@engeltotoro4960]

10$ it going to do the your family is special route and it going to make me very sad.

[@dctaylor480]

@@engeltotoro4960 Different and special aren't the same thing.

[@vikiai4241]

@@dctaylor480 That is the one line that saved me some hope.

[@Felixrsc]

I Thought that about Salvor and Gaal too.

[@wesbrz]

They may or may not be "accelerating" the first Seldon crisis. If you check the episode names in the ImDb listing, you'll find that the title of Episode 9 is "The First Crisis." While they may be hinting at the first rumblings of it, they may end up telling this story even more slowly than they're doing it now (if that could ever be possible...)

[@jakeh9338]

This is fairly interesting in its own right, but definitely it's "Foundation" in only the loosest sense. I always liked Salvor the most in the books, because he was a thinker. It's just sad to me to see this character go from "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent", to "If the Anacreons land, I want to see how much violence we can employ" (possibly misquoted the show).

[@whakjob]

consider this. how does a human reach a conclusion of "violence is the last refuge? " by learning. having an arc. I have not read the books but if Salvor had an attitude of Gandhian non violence at the start i'd find it odd but after a few episodes of even seasons in if an older and battle hardened Salvor says "Violence is the last refuge of the incompeten" it will be a good payoff. IMOH.

[@vulkar1066]

@@whakjob I sincerely hope you're right about this.

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

Dude this is basically the FIRST episode about Hardin. Maybe they're gonna give her a character arc

[@vulkar1066]

@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Sure, hence why I hope I'm wrong and he's right. I want the show to be good.

[@qwkimball]

Yup. I was a huge Asimov fan as a kid, even wrote to him and got a response back in HS. But, I had to park this work mentally in the "takes place in the universe of Asimov's Foundation" in order to relax and enjoy it.

[@theamazingbatboy]

The mural Brother Dawn had erased was a separate painting by Brother Dusk specifically for the unborn child. I don't think it was supposed to be part of the grand mural seen previously. The narration fits thematically with Dawn discarding the gifts of the long-dead. Also, the episode hints at Brother Darkness maybe becoming known as 'Cleon the Painter'?

[@ShirDeutch]

I felt exactly the same about that "chosen one" moment with Slavor and psychohistory. Such a relief. At first I thought they're setting her up to be Raysh and Gaal's daughter who somehow got to Terminus ahead of time and established the Vault, but now that you mentioned mentalic abilities, maybe Raysh sent her off to start the other foundation as part of Seldon's plan...

[@overworlder]

Multiple emperors is another Roman thing. Same as the capital being critically dependent on imports. And the fall, and the dark ages. Thanks for the review Quinn!

[@veramae4098]

If you're "into" that, look for the book "Lest Darkness Fall" about saving the Empire by a time traveler. The background is chilling. The real background. It was written just before WW II.

[@hurmangaines7858]

My only complaint is at times the shows pacing gets muddled. Second episode Gaal Dornick swimming in the pool how many times, Salvor Hardin going to the vault how many times, the emperors in self doubt how many times. I get it now move the story along.

[@jerrycheng5294]

What we really need is a full episode dedicated to the magic space sand paintings, I want a full backstory, the time they spend on the moving sand painting in the first 3 episodes is not enough IMOH.

[@magatrone100]

@@jerrycheng5294 It’s symbolic to the ethos of the empire. Always repairing and maintaining, then the painter is murdered then the newest dawn now wants to paint something new.

[@magnisky]

Too much counting on prime numbers. Lol.

[@TueSorensen]

Yeah, exactly! They're really not moving along fast enough, or using enough of the stuff from the books. A damn shame.

[@NitpickingNerd]

it's also funny how many times 2 people suddenly start kissing and removing all their clothes

[@brwnipoints]

Another day with Quinn's Ideas is another beautiful day

[@mgntstr]

hell yeah

[@lt3880]

im not really bothered by how different it is from the books, realistically there is no way a truly faithful adaptation would ever be made especially not with a good budget. however what I think is important it to preserve the central themes, and right now its too early to tell. I think you're right that gaal is probably connected to the mule in some way. she almost certainly has mentalic abilities of some form

[@leto-nl]

Also at that time there where others as well from the books we know Wanda and Stettin where trying to find and recruit them

[@mvilla9754]

If Gaal is connected to the Mule then... That would change everything... Remember the later reveals of where the Mule came from.... It could mean that either Gaal came from the same planet (makes no sense) or that Gaal is a super goddess who created the planet of birth of the Mule... It could destroy the entire narrative.. Then again, this show does not seem too concerned with following the original narrative.

[@dariuskahmenleodros3646]

Raised by Wolves exists. It's not a matter of budget too, these guys don't know how to "story-tell". Check each of their work. It's in ruins. They're applying WWE logic into their work.

[@davidgraham5152]

Then why not make a show that does not hijack the popularity and importance of the Foundation series?

[@lt3880]

@@davidgraham5152 because its not actually hijacked, the books still exist and Apple doesnt own the rights to the series as a whole. as the show exists now if all the names changed people would still complain it is a foundation ripoff anyway

[@johnpavlick7740]

I also have mixed feelings about this series. I agree, they need to take the focus off the characters and make it more about the events which are bigger than the characters. My biggest problem is the "mystery box" style of writing, where they keep putting filler into each episode rather than working each story towards the next plot development that we all know is coming.

[@notlessgrossman163]

If someone would have told me in my teens that Asimov's Foundation would be televised and reviewed on video by a sci fi fan , I wouldn't have believed it. Good show Quinn, I seriously think you should have a show on Syfy channel

[@lorensims4846]

I'm still having trouble believing it.

[@troffle]

Whatever this crap being televised is, it is not "Asimov's Foundation".

[@davidwilkinson8836]

I concur with your suggestion that Quinn should have his own Syfy show, in the vein of Talking Dead with more intelligent conversation and discussion about books/movies etc.!

[@KingClovis]

Maybe the "Mathematician's Ghost" is Warden Hardin who is actually the child of Gaal and Raych and was raised by those other two after hatching from that embryo machine-thing that was on the space ship.

[@Bayard1503]

No maybe, it's clear

[@SlyRoapa]

I was surprised they vaporised the old emperor. After going to all the trouble of picking out an outfit for him, I thought they'd preserve his body in stasis like the original Cleon. Mummified like a Pharaoh. It's also super weird to kill him at all. Why not wait until he dies naturally before waking up the next clone?

[@chasx7062]

Ask the Robot what she wants? 🥳

[@nicolas.p331]

I'd like to believe they are able to determine when an emperor is really close to death, and just do this to spare him the pain.

[@chasx7062]

@@nicolas.p331 it looks like he knows it s wrong?

[@nicolas.p331]

@@chasx7062 I think he was talking about the child

[@chasx7062]

@@nicolas.p331 He s talking about forced euthanasia, the Old Emperor clearly didn't want to go through with it

[@jjsholyknight]

"Slightly disappointed that the vault did not open." Fully agree.

[@mvilla9754]

About the first crisis and how long they might spend on "filler" before it. If you go to IMDb and click under Episode list you learn that the 9th episode is called "first Crisis"....

[@PeloquinDavid]

In other words, the Salvor Hardin character has a lot of time to follow a career in Foundation "municipal politics"...

[@maxmoloney3105]

Bruuuuuh

[@Kleshumara]

You’ll be happy to know this appeared on my ‘home’ screen, not just under ‘subscriptions’. Whatever we’re doing with the damned algorithm, it’s working!

[@diegoolivaresgonzalez42]

People should ignore the "home" screen and just check "subscriptions"

[@hoju6796]

@@diegoolivaresgonzalez42 once in a blue moon i find a new channel though. so theres that..

[@davidwilkinson8836]

Quinn thank you for input and critiques of your personal favorites books-series. My wife loves your reading voice and she will put on your Dune explanation of the books and listen gather info and fall peacefully asleep. You are a fantastic narrator as well as a true fount of ideas , perspectives and living syfy/fantasy encyclopedia. I wish I had extra money to support you on Patereon page to keep you going and helping others in the struggle for literacy, and keeping us interested in literature instead of instant gratification of film/ video! You are loved by my wife and I and a true hero!

[@elmerosorto1680]

This episode was way different from the books, honestly i'm starting to think that this is not gonna be as epic as is in the book, Salvor as a guardian, What happened with "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent", i was really expecting that she was going to be an smart character as he is in the books not some sort of the chosen warrior. It's too early but if the series follow this path is not the be as awesome as the books

[@vikiai4241]

To be fair, as much as she carries that ludicrously big gun around, she hasn't fired it yet. Not even at the wounded bishops claw, which she actually de-arrows rather than destroys (and I wouldn't really even call defending against predatory animals an act of violence). Her going strait to the armory at the first sign of trouble, is more thematically problematic, though, to the point where - depending on how things play out - could be entirely contrary to the spirit of the character and the books.

[@dare2liv_nlove]

@@vikiai4241 I'm hopeful that it's all part of her character arch. Going straight to the armory could just be her being pragmatic.

[@christopherpickles7541]

Statements by Salvor Hardin from the original book: "Listen, we have to fight with guns, not words" "... it would be much nicer to drag a few great big siege guns fitted for beautiful atomic bombs into it" So Hardin's remark in the episode was quite in keeping with book Hardin.

[@dare2liv_nlove]

@@christopherpickles7541 I've read them too long ago to remember, but if what you're saying is true, then thankyou for bringing this up & showing how many tend to overreact before seeing the bigger picture first.

[@justsurfing6679]

"..that SHE was going to be an smart character as HE.." Oooh you didn't!

[@ptogusa1532]

finally started to care when watching ep3. was sad to find myself kinda bored by ep1-2 on the first viewing, but after watching ep3, i went back to re-watch ep1-2 and fount them much more interesting and meaningful …

[@lazarus30001]

The ending hits it on the head. It's easy to criticize but making something worthy of criticism; that's hard work. Love your stuff, keep up the good fight. :-)

[@derek96720]

It isn't when your source material is considered among the greatest works of sci-fi ever written.

[@BarneyGoogl]

"Making something worthy of criticism; that's hard work" Isn't everything worthy of criticism? If not what's the criteria? Are you saying making crap art is hard work? Or is only good art worthy of criticism?

[@lazarus30001]

@@BarneyGoogl Creating is harder than tearing something down.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

@@BarneyGoogl Exactly!! Everything is worthy of criticism.

[@shakenbacon-vm4eu]

Please give the show a chance! I loved it! Caveat that I’ve never read the books (I don’t think I’m smart enough to lol), however with that blind perspective, my feeling of watching the show was similar to my feeling of watching the original Star Wars for the first time. Absolutely in awe.

[@brittig8983]

I think the most important thing is that they don't miss the point of the books. I can understand trying to meet quotas for action to keep people unfamiliar with the books coming back for more, but it can't be to the detriment of the purpose of the books. I actually really like the idea of cloning the emperor, it adds that scifi show weirdness that audiences want, but it also STRONGLY plays into the theme of stagnation that destroyed the empire in the first place. The attack on the space elevator also digs into the idea of a culture that is dying from within, while providing some action for the casual viewers. If they can continue to put details like these in while avoiding superflous scifi tropes, they could keep this a decent show.

[@sdngy]

I think yes the cloning is interesting on portraying the stagnation of the empire but boy the show is so cringe I want to cry. But then, what is the reason of the terrorist attack? What is underlying…Iˆm starting to have these star wars 7 8 9 vibes which really sucks…I understand the need to structure the narration differently but this is turning to a massacre. When they say Salvor is special I thought I was going to 🤮… I don’t like the loss of the subtle context from the book. Now here it’s almost black or white. I understand we needs to be mainstream but where GoT and Lords of the ring succeeded this one do fail miserably.

[@mamelandro3972]

@@sdngy for me, the worst part of the episode was when Shelvor wanting to check the armory. A character who has "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" as his motto. And well that's in the first 100 pages of the book, I wonder if the writers of the show have read what there is beyond the cover of Foundation trilogy 🙈

[@vikiai4241]

@@sdngy Yes, prior episodes' hints at Gaal having some sort of precognitive ability were annoying me a bit, as it is counter to the whole 'individuals don't, and can't, matter' theme that is fundamental to psychohistory an hence a primary mechanic of the original story. Though I was happier this episode when, after a big lead up to a potential killing genre-cliche, which was fortunately subverted at the last moment, Hardin stressed that "different isn't the same as special" so I don't feel hope is lost just yet!

[@sdngy]

@@vikiai4241 story wise yes Salvor stood out in the book but he wasn’t special in any way. He just questioned himself and understood there were plans within the plan. Yeah or maybe they’re trying to cut down why didn’t’ look out for guns to kill the anacreonians gun ho style or to be the kwizatz aderach. At least hopefully 🙏 we didn’t go that road. Salvor is cunning and smart but nothing out of extraordinary. That could be your colleague scheming his way to the top of the management. So he could play Seldon’s game and participate actively pretty much like Mallow the merchant master. This is the difference to entrust passively his fate to a statistical prophecy and how to enact it. Which is pretty much the takeaway from the 1st book.

[@Bayard1503]

@@mamelandro3972 Well, give her time to grow... she's still young, maybe in a decade she'll think just like her father

[@mattyboyb523]

I was thinking the same with regard to Warden Harden. Thank Goodness they didn’t have her suddenly understand Psychohistory!! Looks like the boy(of vision of a boy) running to and through the old slow ship is holding Raesch’s knife. The one used to kill Harry

[@vulkar1066]

They really started to lose me when show-Hardin said something like "Get to the armory. Let's see what kind of violence we can do to them." The fact that they reference book-Hardin's "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" and specifically negate it is just obnoxious. I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling we'll be seeing Foundation turned into wannabe GoT SF edition.

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

Do you know what a character arc is?

[@vulkar1066]

@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Do you know what "I hope I'm wrong" means?

[@johnpavlick7740]

I believe you're absolutely right. I believe the real genius of Foundation is the fact that the stories didn't have a lot of violence, but I was somehow sucked into the dire situations that were mostly represented through dialogue. That was amazing.

[@troffle]

@@user-lp7tx1fe6t Do you know what "Foundation" was? Hardin was never violent, he was a manipulator. He secretly owned most of the local newspaper. He was secretly recording the Emperor's representative to work out exactly what the Emperor wanted.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

@@troffle Nope, we just want flashy spectacle around here lol.

[@howmaneverton9630]

i never fault a adaptation for not being faithful to the source . usually its a bad sight, when the autor is happy about the result. but when the adaptation in it self is just bad, confusing and has nothing to do with the source at all it just makes me mad.

[@TheSilverOrn]

"Drastically different from the books" has been a death sentence to me for many shows/movies. I think Altered Carbon S1 was the only thing in recent memory to truly pull off being fairly different from the books while still having their spirit. I hope the show is good, but something I realized with the B5 reboot announcement is that I've just simply lost faith in TV of having an intelligent and thought provoking Sci-fi series. People don't want to do hard sci-fi or even philosophical sci-fi, they want EXPLOSIONS, with suddenly the character is a rebel and hunted, with CGI fights and over the top events.

[@npswm1314]

I wished the Expanse was good and accurate to the books. It was not.

[@robertoaguiar6230]

and aliens

[@npswm1314]

Idk if you are referring to the series or the Protomolecule creators.

[@TheSilverOrn]

@@npswm1314 I heard the expanse was an okay show, its on my watch list but I haven't gotten around to it. Did they dumb it down or something? It was based on a tabletop game campaign the writer ran for friends if I remember...

[@BlueSun_]

@@npswm1314 How are the books better? Are the characters more interesting there?

[@FireMunki63]

This portrayal of Salvador Hardin really grates on me. It's making the series hard to watch for me. I really feel more and more that this is not Foundation and like you fear that the core themes of Asimov's work will disappear in the name of satisfying television audiences. I found the second half of Episode 3 almost impossible to watch. By the way, never worry about the haters, the fact that they are there shows you have arrived. I love your analysis and videos even when I do not always agree with everything you say, although that's quite rare ;)

[@arielathomo229]

So far i am loving the show. Beside this salvir hardin is not different from the books, just the sex and skin color have change.

[@Datan0de]

In the books, Salvor has a sign above his desk that reads "Violence is the last resort of the incompetent!", while in the show we almost never see her outdoors without a rifle, and she seems to have no hesitation about using it. I think I know where they're going with this. The Salvor we're seeing in the show is young, or at least a good deal younger than I'd pictured when reading the books. I suspect we're going to watch her character evolve, either gradually or suddenly, into the kind of character he is in the book. If that's the case, I'm looking forward to this journey. If not, then they've gotten one of my favorite characters from science fiction completely backwards. Time will tell, but I think the show's creators are being smart by making the character more dynamic than in the book.

[@jakeh9338]

@@Datan0de I completely agree. Making characters more "action-oriented" was pretty much inevitable since they're trying to reach more than the hardcore fans of the series (I include myself in this category)

[@Timrath]

@@arielathomo229 Not different from the books? Book Salvor is an intellectual. Apple Salvor is a Book Salvor is a pacifist politician. Apple Salvor is a brutish ranger. Book Salvor solves problems with deductive reasoning. Apple Salvor uses magic and conjuring. We get to see Book Salvors thought processes as they unfold. Apple Salvor doesn't think; she just magically knows everything. Book Salvor feels no need to prove himself. Apple Salvor is constantly miffed about her being misunderstood and/or not taken seriously.

[@troffle]

@@arielathomo229 the very fact anybody thought they could say such a thing is terrifying.

[@polishfish]

I love the genetic dynasty because its a powerful metaphor for the Empire’s calcification. Everything else about the show has been disappointing, particularly that Gaal and Hardin seem to be mentalics. Also, if you remember Hardin’s multiple speeches that conclude that “violence is the last refuge of the incompetent”… yet in this episode, hardins first response was (something like) “let’s see how much violence we can muster”. I wonder if they will keep the clever tricks/tactics/strategies that got the people in the book out of their crises, or if it will all be unrelated. The reason I don’t like then being mentalics is that that’s the whole purpose of the second foundation. I think they should have simply come up with their own series not titled The Foundation, since most of what they’re doing is new or heavily remixing the books.

[@tookie36]

Right? All of the major twists and problems in the books that really made the stories unique have been set aside. Like finding out demerzel was a robot in the book blew my mind. Especially bc I was unfamiliar w Asimov at the time. Then in this show immediately they just reveal everything. This one’s a robot, this one can read minds, this ones gna start the 2nd foundation.

[@tahsinalam]

Did the writers / show runners even read the books I wonder at times.

[@WildHorseProductions]

Salvor Hardin in the books: “Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent” Salvor Hardin in the show: "BOOM! Headshot! BOOM! Headshot!" *Double kill* Multi kill* Rampage!*

[@OrinThomas]

Aren't all the people in the Foundation universe (The Mule, Bliss) who have strong mentalic abilities from Gaia and the ones with lesser mentalic abilities from the 2nd Foundation?

[@TentaclePentacle]

yes

[@gordonstewart5774]

Maybe Gaal will give birth to the Mule in a much later episode.

[@Achin_Jain]

5:10 - It's been 35 years since their exile as per the first episode and they might have landed at terminus after 4.5yrs. So I'm assuming the settlement is ~30yrs old. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@dare2liv_nlove]

That's what i saw too, should be correct.

[@locutusdborg126]

Yes, you are correct and Quinn's math is wrong.

[@blitzio]

You're great man, excellent review and analysis of the show. I started reading the books because of your videos and channel. Thanks for all that you do sir.

[@JustChillingOnTattoine]

Thank you, I instantly thought of the Time Tombs when saw the Vault, too. I am pretty sure the writers are taking inspirations from Hyperion as well as Dune. Star Wars etc.

[@Gregorius421]

5:00 the first Seldon crisis is 35 years after the Starbridge bombing (titled "Now"): the first Trentor scene in ep.1 (a few days before the bombing) is titled "35 years earlier".

[@brianstiles1701]

The stuff with the Genetic Dynasty lost me a little at first, so I started it over and man was I glad I did. Such a cool concept, and so well executed.

[@urself25]

My theory is that Demrezel is actually Dors Venabili, who fell in love with Cleon 1st centuries ago. In the episode, we could see Demerzel kinda pushed Brother Darkness toward the killing machine. In the books, Demerzel was always agains't killing, while Dors was never afraid to use weapons to hurt humans even if she never killed them. I think the book character of R. Daneel Olivw (Demerzel) actually play the son of Seldon in the TV Series. While we saw him with the knife, he probably not killed him and Seldon killed himself. He probably was the one who setup the Vault decades before their departure.

[@kimberlee9608]

I’m so excited for this show that I’m open to letting it unfold throughout the season before I make any BIG criticisms because I want to see how they let things play out/be solved. This isn’t an easy series to adapt so going in I choose to blacket-accept all the changes at face value so I don’t get muddled too much with trying to compare everything as it’s happening. I’m currently VERY confused with what they’re doing but still VERY committed to seeing it through.

[@wd2989]

I also am confused at what they’re doing. I’ve watch season 1 and 6episodes of season 2. I finally gave up expecting this to be an adaptation of Asimov’s story. It isn’t. The dynastic emperors is nice. BUT… I wanted to see “Mayor Hardin” practical, strategic, and politically savvy - leading the encyclopedists through the 1st Crisis by taking charge in a silent coup and deftly coaxing Anacreon to not attack Terminus because of Smyrno and the other nearby power kingdom. None of that is in the show. I wanted to see THAT Dramatization!! Not this scenario that they made up. Geez!! They ruined Hardin character if you ask me. And why didn’t they adapt the book’s 2nd Crisis involving Hardin’s leadership ?? That storyline had brilliant political twists and intrigue between Hardin and Anacreon royalty. It’s gone from the show!! Damn!

[@busysaru888]

Demerzel may be behind the creation of the clone empire, as one of her laws is the 0th law which supersedes the others: to prevent humanity from harming itself. The whole series could show she the ultimate one who f*cks up humanity. Why wouldn't she create more copies of herself as well? All that metal mechanics inside her seem very old school. No updates? No synth-bio robot? Cyborgs? And in the original books Demerzel was a guy working both sides. There was also a robot Seldon got busy with. Will she come up later? Is it Demerzel? Demerzel is also supposed to have psychic abilities that can influence humans. Brother Night just before he is zapped into heaven senses something is wrong with the new Brother Dawn. Did he know somehow that it was an genetically altered clone? Did Demerzel? She then reassures him with her hypnotic song and says "All is fine." as she give him a gentle push forward to the king-zapper. Was she using her robot-psycho power? Are there other robots hidden behind the scenes pulling strings that the robot sympathisers saved? Is Salvor Hardin ("hard-on"?) actually Gaal Dornik and Ranch Foss' daughter? Gaal was supposed to lead Terminus and open the vault. Yet Salvor has the same abilities. Does she have the genetic key to do so? And why is Raych so good at math when he came from the Sinks? He seems to have had his character merge with another Hari found who was good with math in the Sinks. Gaal also travels to Synax. The trip is supposed to take decades. Will she meet her daughter Salvor, or her granddaughter? What if she met and fell in love with her grandson without knowing it? Or will she be the on to defeat the Mule in the future? I wonder...

[@crimnvL]

As a scifi lover i am happy with this series, book will never have a faithful adaption it's too dry and wouldn't last more than a season

[@MarkMichalowski]

Yeah, I agree with your thoughts - and I wonder if smuggler-bloke mentioned looking young because of being in crystorage (or whatever term he used) just to lay the groundwork for when Gael returns, because didn't Raych launch her off in a pod in episode 2? Maybe she's floating around somewhere, in stasis, waiting to be found and awakened to continue taking part in the story. I love your sweary bit at the end - nice one!

[@timdavis6913]

I agree totally with your assessment. I'd also like to note that in the books they found no alien life in the Universe. The only life on planets was that from Earth. They have gender swapped, time accelerated the plots and created clones. None of this was in the books. It's fun to watch, but not really the Foundation. Thank you for your content!

[@arikafek]

I ENJOYED YOUR ANALYSIS. WHAT SEEMED STRANGE TO ME WAS THE BOW AND ARROW, AS A WEAPON FOR THE SPACE-FARING ATTACKERS.

[@ALwinDigital]

they wanted to show that the decline of the galactic empire involves people losing knowledge/use of technology... except people still have access to starships capable of traveling interstellar distances but have become too primitive to develop projectile handguns and have to use bows and arrows???

[@christopherpickles7541]

@@ALwinDigital Spaceships still exist but they are old and decrepit. They can use them but they can't repair them or build new ones. Their nuclear power plants are large and will run indefinitely - hence the now primitive planets still have space travel. However hand weapons have limited power supplies and once they run down they are useless. Hence they have to use old tech like bows and arrows. Meanwhile the Foundation contains top scientists and so they can keep their weapons up to date and keep them powered.

[@ALwinDigital]

@@christopherpickles7541 gunpowder based weapons have no need for power supplies...

[@FemaleVillageElder]

Thanks so much for giving me a “foundation “ of what the story is about. I’m watching it and enjoying it but I need a book reader to help me out as I go along. You’re doing a great job without spoiling.

[@losethegame101]

You know you've made it as a KZbinr when people start writing dull-headed, three paragraph thinkpieces on Medium about you along the lines of "Bad Ideas: What Quinn Gets Wrong About Foundation".

[@katmannsson]

👀That ending Skit was stellar

[@oncaphillis]

your content has improved massively recentrly

[@stevetobin7495]

Forget the book and enjoy this series it’s incredible

[@r.daneel.90]

It's okay to take liberties with a work, even to change important things. But if that doesn't serve the story, or any story, but makes it worse, then what's the point? And especially in this case, it seems that some changes were only made specifically to create controversy and anger fans. A risky marketing strategy, if the product is not good enough.

[@yoanribeiro]

Thanks for the thorough review as always Quinn! To re-iterate on Gaal (SPOILERS), . . . . . . . . . . . I've seen some Reddit post talking about the possibility of Gaal being the result of merging Gaal Dornick and Wanda Seldon characters and I had the feeling that Gaal was behaving like Wanda in the books when Hari discovered that she was able to manipulate others decisions. So I think it makes sense that Raych (and he murdering Hari still leave a sour taste in my mouth but I suppose it was part of Hari's plan) sent her back to Trantor to be with the Second Foundation and actually continue to develop Psychohistory and make sure that the Plan unfolds correctly. Anyway the TV Shows is not doing badly which I'm happily surprised, let's hope it gets better and better 🤞🏼

[@mdimascio]

I found your thoughts exactly, I mean exactly, the same as mine. I truly appreciate this adaptation and it is beautifully done so far. I, too, was SO glad they didn’t cheapen the deep mathematics of psychohistory by having her figure out any of what she was looking at. The end of the episode was a little empty, but I appreciate that you stay positive and can let the story be changed and still be respectful of what they are doing. Thanks Quinn!

[@wesbrz]

I'll keep watching, but my expectations have become much lower. There's nothing wrong with changing a story in adaptation, but it needs to be an engaging story. Not sure they're doing that. It's curious, because they might actually have created a decent story, but it's hard to tell with the pace it runs. They seem more interested in making it last longer than making what they have interesting. Good stories make me care about most the characters. Decent stories make me care about some of them. This story? Not so much. There are not many stories where i can say this, but I'm not sure they can create real suspense with these characters. If any of them are put into a life-or-death situation, I can't say I'd care about what happens to a single one of them. If I weren't interested in seeing what they've done to Asimov's books, I'm not sure I'd stay with it.

[@lorensims4846]

I'm concerned they're so interested with following the fall of the Empire. That Star Bridge really bugs me. Sure, this is grander and more elaborate than any space elevator idea I've seen before, but it has always been assumed that we could have something within the next hundred years or so, not as a great Imperial achievement twelve thousand years in the future. It just feels pedestrian for such an Empire as this to me. The original stories focused on the Foundation and that's where my primary interest is. Thinking back, I feel the story, such as we've seen so far, moved along much faster and more coherently in the book.

[@wesbrz]

@@lorensims4846 Well, understand, that the Foundation stories as Asimov originally wrote them, were a set of novellas, and later serialized novels, that were published sporadically in Astounding Science Fiction, in the 1940's. (I used to be a fairly avid collector, and have all the original magazines they were published in...) The Foundations themselves were the only unifying "characters" in all those stories. i don't think Asimov was much with character development, as much as idea development. The foundations may have been his most memorable "characters." This production is interesting in that it uses some familiar names and places and occasionally ideas, but it's largely telling its own story, trying to capitalize on Asimov's name, while making only an occasional nod to his actual work. I find it fun to hear familiar names mentioned; the story itself goes in its own direction, and does so, ever so slowly... If they moved as quickly as the books, they might almost tell the whole story in one season. They seem to be wanting to stretch the story out to allow for many seasons, but they're going to lose enough audience by the season's end, that I'm not sure they'll have more than one season, anyway...

[@nemo4evr]

@@wesbrz The two twats that wrote the adapted screenplay were very keen in giving themselves lots of credit and big letters you can barely see Asimov name, the arrogance like always has its price. I'm just shaking my head at the disrespect to the author.

[@lorensims4846]

@@wesbrz I’m just worried about the legacy of the Foundation series. I once read a scathingly poor review of the book “I, Robot” on Amazon from a guy who was seriously disappointed that the stories in the book had almost no relationship to the movie of the same name that he had enjoyed so much. I don’t want that to happen to this one.

[@wesbrz]

@@nemo4evr Television is primarily a business, not a service to its viewers. To those who produce it, it is primarily a means to build and advance careers. I think we can see this clearly, in this case. The word "Asimov" is not a name to be respected, but a property to be bought and exploited. Again, I think that's clearly happening here; time will tell. What they're producing is very pretty, and might even provide an interesting story, though it seems only marginally related to what Asimov wrote. Whether their version of the story will be interesting is hard to see so far, as it unwinds sooooo sloooooowly. Do they seriously think that when they show Gaal swimming back and forth (andbackandforthandbackandforth), that we don't realize they're padding out the story? Or that virtually every scene is written to stretch out a half hour episode into a full hour?

[@Archonsx]

i gave up during the second episode, the show is visually beautiful but there’s nothing more to it to make it worth watching

[@vikiai4241]

I'm sticking with it for now, but am keeping something open on my computer to do at the same time as watching. The pacing is really wonky at times, often feeling a bit stretched-to-fit.

[@kernowpolski]

I think you are right that the most interesting focus is on why and how there Empire fell and will they use the successful general plot line of Foundation and Empire? That was one of the key causes of the fall of the Roman Empire that any successful general would be sorely tempted to have a crack at the throne.

[@PeloquinDavid]

I recently re-read the first volume in the Foundation series a few decades after my first reading, but I've already found that it brings in a lot of stuff from both the prequels and sequels to the initial trilogy. I don't mind this series filling in a lot of back-story of various characters - and I even like some of the innovations (e.g. the genetic dynasty and keeping Gaal Dornick around to contribute to future story lines) since I see how they're going to make the series relatable to non-fans of Asimov and the Foundation series. The only thing that has me worried a bit is that the series may actually deliver on the core conceit of the Foundation series as a whole - namely that there are multiple layers of dark forces manipulating the lives of everyone in the story - even of those who are busy manipulating others even more "naïve" than themselves. There are already far too many people prone to spinning, believing and spreading conspiracy theories in our world today. May the creators of this series give us a more realistic picture of reality: pace Asimov, the world is ultimately a chaotic place whose future can't be predicted even in principle, whose complexity makes it acutely path dependent in response to all sorts of unobservable events and whose history is driven by snafu far more than by the grand plans of self-appointed philosopher kings.

[@MisterTutor2010]

Eto Demerzel is a robot in the novels as well. R. Daneel Olivaw to be specific.

[@PatricioBenavente]

But they have to gender swap it. WHY????

[@iTurtle97]

The ninth episode is called “The First Crisis” so I think it will be as you wished in the video and we won’t see the first Seldon crisis until then.

[@doingtime20]

Honestly to me the show is not doing it, it doesn't really feel like the Foundation. One issue I have is that they miss a lot of important stuff, for example they barely talk about the Encyclopedists, they just show a bunch of random people traveling with Seldon but never actually explain the audience who they are or why were they chosen. (spoilers ahead) I think explaining deeper who the Encyclopedists are is extremely important to understand the Foundation, these are very knowleadgeable people, and it is because of them that the Foundation flourishes later. All that amazing technology that they come up with later is built upon the selection of people that Seldon took with him, scientists, professors, etc. The series is waaay too worried explaining things about Gaal and Hardin, and they forget entirely to introduce you to the universe they inhabit. I understand that a series has more limited time, but there are things that you just can't afford to ignore.

[@nemo4evr]

Absolutely, the story is about the Empire, not about individuals, I suppose they had to dumb it down for the masses.

[@dare2liv_nlove]

From what i've seen so far, looks like they are going for a slow burn & vastly expanding on the story, so we might have to adjust our expectations & perhaps just enjoy the journey (they might delve deeper into the scientists in a future episode). Will probably take a few seasons to even cover all the events of the first book (though it seems they are mixing in material from the later books through time jumps & such).

[@kilgary]

You said they couldn’t have been on Terminus for more than 20 years because Salvor looks young but they mention they haven’t had an Anachreon visitor for 30 years. So, they’ve been there at least that long. I think the clones were a good way to keep the same actors around over the centuries of story the books go through and they’re also a living metaphor for the Empire being stagnant.

[@dare2liv_nlove]

Somewhere during the earlier episodes they show that adult Salvor Hardin's time period is "35 years" after the events of Seldon with the empire.

[@user-lp7tx1fe6t]

Dude I love the idea of the clone emperors so fucking much, it's got me super engaged in a way I haven't been since the expanse

[@aperson22222]

Genetic dynasty thing is interesting, more so than the stuff on Terminus I agree. But I still wonder why they bought the rights to Foundation if they don’t want to do anything with them.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

because it's a big name. A new IP would have a smaller audience

[@aperson22222]

@@Yarblocosifilitico Perhaps, but the people who are watching only because they’ve been promised a screen adaptation of _Foundation_ will react negatively when they realize they’re getting no such thing.

[@Yarblocosifilitico]

@@aperson22222 yes, but they will check it out, like we're doing. Anyway, I agree with you, I was just adding to your comment. Expect the same from the LotR show, btw.

[@arielsorensen9192]

@@aperson22222 Yup. Im one of those reacting negatively. I understand making changes for putting it on a screen, but this is not even foundation. Theyve already passed the point where they cannot have a similar resolution to the story. Also too much forced and meaningless sex. Is that supposed to make us care about the characters more? Im having too much trouble just following the screen story.

[@ALwinDigital]

@@aperson22222 we're already reacting negatively.

[@j.v.r.1981-]

Asimovs works is so grand, that it's impossible to adapt everything for the small screen and yes, sometimes changes need to be made. 🤷🏼‍♀️ Did you know that Robyn Asimov is one of the producers of the series?

[@jamesrobinson1214]

Just as I had to reread the Dune books so as not to confuse them with the movie or miniseries, I am probably going to have to reread the foundation books to see the differences between them more clearly. It has been about 40 years, and I don’t remember all the details. I remember the basics of the story. Keep the videos coming.

[@cellscribe]

Satisfying review. :) I'm glad I'm not the only one feeling the pacing of the series is a little underwhelming.

[@heskrthmatt]

If I recall correctly there was another Asimov book that used the idea of a genetic dynasty. The story revolved around the leader of a Titan colony returning to Earth to get himself cloned like his “father” and “grandfather” before him. Sadly I don’t recall the title. Clearly I read too many books.

[@heskrthmatt]

@4Freedom4All you are correct sir. It’s called imperial Earth by Arthur C Clarke 1975

[@montrose252]

This episode had a lot of editing problems. One second she's running toward the Vault crystal, the next she's in a derelict spaceship, what??

[@HevonCZR]

I think we need to give them time to tell the story the way it is intended. Its a complex universe, with many consecutive time jumps and major events, and we need characters to carry those story arcs in order to keep the pace.

[@mamelandro3972]

I see what you mean but they are diverging so much in every episode and in important things (not gender or ethnicity which is lot so relevant after all). Hari and Raych being on the ship is a big issue, Salvor not rejecting violence is a bigger diversion and there are more of course. I did like the Emperor cloning storyline though, if they did more sci-fi and less romance/drama it would have been marvelous

[@AnkardTan]

Anacreons have space ships but use bows? dfuq?!

[@kevinhaynes9091]

Loved the humour at the end of this video, but it made me feel somewhat embarrassed about having a moan at your video 'The Most Horrifying Science Fiction Series of All | The Three-Body Problem Series'...!!! I appreciate your consistently high quality content, and have been a fan for some years now. Your Dune content, is by far, the best on KZbin. Please accept my humble apologies for taking your hard work for granted...

[@michaelrizzello3763]

I want to know what happened to Raych's mustache...

[@lorensims4846]

"Ascends"?! They went all Logan's Run on me!! R. Eto Demerzel still confuses me but I did appreciate how much 'her' voice sounded like a voice synthesizer in the strike on the hidden lab at the beginning of the second episode. Salvor Hardin is the daughter of the Head Administrator?! They called her "special" at least three time because of her unusual relationship to The Vault. I'm still not buying The Vault. Salvor Hardin didn't do what he did because he was Special or Chosen but because he though he was Right. The Vault confirmed the correctness of his actions only After the fact. I haven't yet read Hyperion, athough I've heard great things about it. They don't need to keep bringing in things from other sources to try to make this interesting. "Robot Wars" was ripped from Dune already. In Asimov's universe they simply fell out of favor. They seem to be combining the first two crises. But the 'librarians' are playing their parts really well. 'Seeing' through that telescope would be really, really poor through that late afternoon sky. Slavor called the archers Anachreans but could they really be from Anachreon? It seems too soon.

[@BNBsBrainCancerJourney]

As Brother Darkness when parting with Dawn he recognized something was odd with the babe.

[@donmatter5073]

the last 30 seconds of the vid were hilarious, thumbs up bud

[@infini1970]

A very convoluted episode. I agree I liked the first part of the episode and makes you think a bit. Maybe some empathy. However They left us with a ridiculous cliff hanger last episode then went and never addressed this at all accept the say Seldon died. Makes me want to read the books even more. I agree with you about the Hyperion references. This episode kinda sucks. ;). Really disappointed and was not altogether happy about the episode cliffhanger to begin with.

[@StatsScott]

The new futuristic background looks cool.

[@billmac7558]

Better settle in and be patient as the first crisis won’t happen until episode 9 (based on IMDB episode titles). Also the trader guy mentioned being 70 and looking young because of all the suspended animation sleep of space travel, so I think that sets up Gaal coming back later from her deep sleep. I’ve seen lots of people saying they either liked the beginning or the end of this episode. I liked both stories. I’m also really enjoying the official episode podcast interviews with Goyer and Co. that I listen to after watching. Some clever teases come out in those interviews.

[@matthewgruba8040]

When this series came up, I went back and reread the first book. The series, while interesting sci-fi, is hardly like the books. "Violence (and sex scenes) is the last refuge of the incompetent" indeed.

[@cookeecutkk]

As soon as I learned Goyer was involved in this, I immediately set my expectations low (as in very, very low). Not sure if I should be glad that this “Foundational” axiom did come to be proven true, once more.

[@Bayard1503]

At least it's not done by Kurtzman

[@mbk4469]

This adaptation is kind of like the Dragonball movie. There are actors with the names from the original, but completly rewritten into something cr 4p. It sure is an intersting story, but it's not the Foundation, and it's not Isaac Asimov's creation. It made reread the books, and it's so hard for me to understand why did they need to do this... That story is wonderfull. So complex, yet interesting. Why? Just why?

[@dll_Rhemuth948]

Didn’t they call “Dusk” “Brother night” at some point in this early sequence?

[@lorensims4846]

Brother Darkness just before the Logan's Run tribute.

[@vikiai4241]

Yes, basically there is a brief period between the new brother dawn being decanted from the cloning vat, the old brother dawn becoming brother day, the old brother day becoming brother dusk, and the old brother dusk has to be called something else until he takes Carrousel*. _Brother night_ isn't a bad option. * Yeah, it's marginally amusing to draw similarities between that death and _Logan's Run_ , but people doing it are actually showing a rather narrow exposure to SciFi beyond a few cult movies - _Logan's Run_ didn't invent the concept by a long shot (various nomadic pre-agricultural societies did! - though being respectfully left to die with full honor as the tribe moved on without you was more an ability-at-the-time-based thing than a hard cut-off age.

[@williamozier918]

I have the same emotional relationship to Cleon as I do to the Weirding Modules in Dune 84: Not at all from the books, but a perfect 'Cause we in a movie!' metaphor for what the books were getting across in long chapters of exposition.

[@sergiomendes]

Your intro music is sooooo gooodddd. It takes me to a great place

[@cliffhoelzer6895]

Hey Quinn, Love your postings and work! I am so glad to see a man in his twenties enjoying Dune, a book I first read over 50 years ago when I was 15. I read The Foundation Series when I was 11and it was my first experience reading about a grand galactic empire entangled with science; religion, robots etc!! I can't wait till they get to the Mule!!!

[@locutusdborg126]

What happened to Gaal and Rache? No tying up of this loose end. Unless they left for(I won't spoil where) where the 2nd foundation will exist.

[@tookie36]

7:20 seldons grand daughter could read minds and noticed problems with the mathematics which I think they are playing into here. But it made sense in the books so I’m waiting for anything to make sense in the episodes. Great review! This was the 5th review I clicked on and the best one by far

[@leegibson5469]

Did not care for Ep. 3. I understand it furthered the plotline but it felt more like a "filler" episode.

[@bencebotye3904]

I totally agreed! Like the Empire-plotline, specially that is based on the collapse of the Roman Empire, a process many people misunderstood, because only look upon the last couple centuries. The trouble of character oriented storitelling is that like many TV shows focusing on the decisions of individuals, rather analize the ladge structural condition of a system of government. For a long time historians believed the reason for the Migration Period was a "primal earge". However it seems that during the 4-5th century the original Germanic territories had been effected a cooling clinate event.

[@markswabey5870]

I had to give up part way into ep 6. It's just not the foundation that i read and loved. I'm not just talking about little changes or stuff to make it fit with a tv show. The characters have changed too much that you would not recognise them from the books. One of the things i loved about the books if that the stories is they had to think about how to solve the crisis not just pull out a gun and start shooting people. 'Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent' was a theme in to books that maybe the writers should have taken to heart and not just pull out a gun and start shooting. It really made me sad to see what they did to the story.

[@chriserskineartist]

We are now three espiodes in and I think there is two major questions: 1. Is it a great show regardless of Asimov? 2. Is it a great Asimov story? Apple wanted a great and gripping show, something that would attractive new subscribers like me. They also wanted to tell a great science fiction story from one of fields best authors. The series is certainly not gripping, interesting but not gripping. The Asimov story is getting lost with the changes and that is really starting to piss me off. Maybe it is an ok science fiction story, but it is not even at the level of the Expanse. I am not waiting episode to episode with gripped excitement. I am just waiting and hoping that the show will get better.

[@Davidsworldtravels]

Agreed. There’s so many great ideas they could discuss. But they keep adding not very interesting drama. It feels like an unlimited budget for CW level writing.

[@ArronRatliff]

Maybe i'm just a book snob but this show does nothing to convince me that adaptations can succeed. Which is very disappointing considering two of my favorite literary properties of all time are set to become TV series on Amazon prime.

[@kamau506]

I love The Expanse too. What's the second? lol

[@Rocketman200mph]

Quinn you're my favorite, in case you wanted to know, thanks for being such a clear, concise, and passionate mind; Outstanding as always my good man.

[@chrisn8226]

I must say, now is a great time for this channel! Dune is coming out and Foundation is finally being filmed. While I cannot expect them to be true the books due to the sheer unfilmability of each, I feel like the big ideas will be faithfully represented. While it has been years since I read either of them (ok, maybe I reread Dune last month), your channel has kept me in touch with the stories and epic scifi, scratching that itch. Thank you sir!!!

[@Deridus]

Too many of the ideas are simply glossed over, like the whole point of the Encyclopedia, or mashed together in a bizarre gestalt like Eto/Dors. To be entirely honest, there are aspects I enjoy and will continue to watch for, but this is Foundation in the same way that the last three seasons of GoT was a Song of Ice and Fire: mostly in name only. Interesting for what it is, but this is NOT Foundation.

[@kamau506]

This show is definately made for a binge because these weekly releases are not capturing me

[@PhilosopherRex]

I thought the Ascension thing was stupid. Empire clearly has a HUGE ego, such that he surrounds himself, with himself and believes that he is the best choice for leading the empire forever ... that sort of egomaniac isn't going to vaporize himself at the end, he's just gonna go to the old empire farm and play till he drops. Also I find it odd that lifespans are not greatly extended. Already we are developing the tech to extend our lifespans for decades and IMO within 50 years or so from now, indefinitely. So the aging process outwardly should just be halted in the future ... that doesn't change the notion though that you might want a younger brain to tackle new problems, so still plenty of room for a "changing of the guard" in the leadership arena. Overall the genetic dynasty idea is cool, but they seem have nothing else to really offer here ... I think if they are going to take liberties at all with the book, they should have brought in some science-minded futurists to give some guidance, ideas, & imagination to the process.

[@chasx7062]

yeah but there s a Robot to look over the process... so yeah, not much beef can do

[@leto-nl]

Actually if you read the robot novels that chronologic plays out befor the foundation you see Asimov did had the subject of long life and that it could lead to stagnation. The first colonist settled on planets where there where no virusses, no bacteria, nothing to make people ill. They also improved on their medical tech and had a life of around 400 years. The empire in the foundation time if from a second wave of colonist who did not wanted long life from the statement that society grows and involves more if there is a continuty of new people with a natural lifespawn. And that maybe the reason why the lifespawn is the same as ours. Just a thought and also as the series doesnt seem to take everything from the books I could be wrong as well

[@PhilosopherRex]

@@chasx7062 The original Cleon created the process - that's what I'm referring to.

[@PhilosopherRex]

@@leto-nl Good point

[@rustknuckleirongut8107]

In truth we have not developed anything to expand lifespans, but rather technology that allows more people to reach the maximum lifespan. 500 years ago people lived lives just as long as we do now, just much fewer people reached the extreme ages due to living conditions and lack of medical care. So what I am saying is that while the average age we live to has increased drastically the maximum age we live to has not increased in the slightest.

[@avshiavital8326]

Thank you, Quinn! If you take a look at the names of each of the episodes of the first season (IMDB) you’ll notice that episode 9 is called “The First Crisis”. I hope it doesn’t mean they’ll wait until then for the first crisis, but it sure seems that way.

[@RavenNest23]

The mural that was erased was painted by the previous dusk, not the one they paint over and over again.

[@vikiai4241]

Ah. I missed that. Thanks.

[@caveman-zd5yv]

imagine seeing all you past decisions and judging yourself and adjusting. in this episode the emperor clones have different interests and pursuits. seeing the painting and seeing something that tells you to remove it. i got from this episode that this emperor did not like or dislike the painting but that a message for all future emperors was sent with this action. the message is that things change and not to be stagnant. stagnant was on of the reason for the fall.

[@xkv8ter]

Excellent content as usual Quinn.

[@SukaraElanS5TV]

I love the reviews Quinn your the best on KZbin

[@TMWriting]

Honestly, I’m really enjoying this as as a piece of science fiction, but it’s starting to worry me how little it feels like Foundation. Also if they could stop making the protagonists female purely so that men can have sex with them, I’d really appreciate that.

[@jrherita]

Thanks Quinn for the analysis !