PDGA Rule Changes, New Tour Announced, Will Schusterick's New Position, DGPT Late Payments | EP 101

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Chapters: 8:09 PDGA Makes A Positive Change…Maybe 26:30 GKPRO Is Rebranding 1:01:28 DGPT Pro Tour Championship Payouts? 1:21:20 Sprinkle Valley Disc Golf Economics 1:17:13 Shoutout to Jimmy TheFlick Anderson

[@cdg101292]

Thank you!

[@joisle]

I’m hoping Gary can make more appearances so that he can ask questions from an outside perspective. It was great to have someone who wasn’t so intertwined with the tour and players who felt he couldn’t ask certain questions. I still think Gary is the imposter though!

[@thumberlife]

The imposter is always out there...😅

[@brett8770]

​@thumberlife oh crap! What's up Gary!!

[@dillfro]

Love having Gary on the podcast.

[@peanutbutterjelly800]

Gary needs to be a foundation employee

[@Sal51983]

Brodie re-remembering hes already locked in for a gothrow tourney while the show is live 🤣

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Let’s go Gary. Good to see him make an appearance on Tourlife.

[@MustangMatty]

Loved both guests. Gary is awesome.

[@kevinkeil2411]

As a shop owner at Spartan Doscs I asked Prodigy if they would help sponsor an all ladies clinic. We let them know how much people loved their availability of great light weight discs that look beautiful. He said right away that he would love to help and would send us 50 air discs. It was great for the growth of womens disc golf in Buffalo NY. We had 24 ladies sign up and filled the event. I really hope the best and will continue supporting them. They also have official rights to college sports and NHL which i absolutely love. Our local University of Buffalo team got stamped discs for a fundraiser. Go Will and go Prodigy

[@austing7820]

I really wish you guys would put time stamps for the podcasts

[@BrodieSmith]

In the description

[@roberthawkins6735]

Metric measurements are used in sports instead of Imperial ones because they are employed in most of the world, allowing for consistency in international play and stats.

[@clintsawyer7702]

Except as he pointed out, they don't... They don't say a hole is 100 meters, they say it's 330 feet. So he's questioning why the inconsistency?

[@carlinfield9121]

I think jomez and DGPT provide meters as well as feet on each hole infographic. It only seems inconsistent because we live in America and we just say feet for measurements. But the meters measurements are typically always there.

[@ztsb_koneko]

​@@clintsawyer7702is there any mention of hole length in the rules though? US courses will continue to slap feet on their tee signs and US players will continue to talk in imperial because they're used to it.

[@LoughZ]

Gary killed it on here! Bring him back more as your off tour analyst!

[@fingolfinfinwe]

I am pro having obstacles near the basket to the point that it alters putts. Should be POSSIBLE to make a putt anywhere within 10-15m but it doesn't have to be a straightforward putt all the time. Completely clear greens out to 20m seems like a great way to make the sport more boring.

[@ransomA.]

I’m not sure it really needs to be possible circle 🤷🏼‍♂️ think about water hazards in the circle

[@glenmccoon2347]

If the goal is to stop having people break the rules on the release…just abolish the rule. It’s hard to call in real time anyway and it adds friction on a card that is unnecessary. So, just eliminate the rule and move on. Plant foot behind the disc…go. Who cares…they still have to make it and jump/step putts are a skill too. This issue is a waste of our energy.

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

Biiiingoooo.

[@iAmAzwell]

Making the basket smaller is a bad idea as well. The baskets don’t ONLY catch putts. Imagine not having the Philotross or Holy Shot because the basket was smaller to make putting more difficult. Oof.

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

Exactly. Smaller baskets and/or stricter lie rules subtract from the excitement in the sport. Grow the sport, though. 🤷‍♂️

[@swimfan68w]

Silas has the voice for your ads! Pleasantly surprised 🎉

[@jimoakhills1336]

Paul Macbeth, Dylan cease, Kale leviska for more information on the profitability of disc golf course ownership. Thanks for the pod boys keep up the good work!

[@michaelrichards2634]

Dude needs 50 players a day just to break even. Never going to happen. And he refunds it in beer.

[@derrickdigiulio4027]

Uli made a great point, if you get stuck in a bush 55 feet from the basket it might be impossible to know if youre in or out of the new circle. Can I step/fall or not? Can I touch the bush in my follow through? Is that helping me maintain balance? A whole mess...

[@phoebewittwag622]

Drew’s video is on point as to late payouts!

[@kylekern2422]

Awesome to see my guy Gary on Tour Life. Wild stuff happening in disc golf right now. Appreciate yall talking about it.

[@thumberlife]

Appreciate you, bro!

[@NathanRae]

Just look at a map of which countries use meters and which use feet. If we want disc golf to grow around the world I'd suggest we use both meters and feet.

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

This is the logical answer.

[@MrNneel5122]

Dude, 28 years is insane! I’ve been playing 6 months and I have 3 haha. Got my first one in a competitive round a few days ago in a doubles tournament! And it was with a bottom stamped 2023 tour series Brodie Zone OS that I got in a used section! Took my buddy, that got me into the sport, 10 years.

[@nickschatz9923]

Sprinkler Valley is the best! Glad to hear about the behind the scenes.

[@clintsawyer7702]

I brought up the exact same point Ezra did. So this is my solution, not exclusively but predominantly the putts that people are taking issue with are jump rather than step, because just due to the mechanics of how it is done there's a much greater chance for both feet to be off the ground at the same time. So instead, change the regulation regarding foot placement. Keep the regulation that there must be a supporting point directly behind the lie before the throw (not required to be touching, just behind the lie) and no part of the body can touch anything in front of the lie until after the disc is released. Then it wouldn't matter if one toe It's a fraction of an inch above the ground a fraction of a second before the disc is released. A possible exception or possibly addition/variation to the rule would be to permit sideways jumping providing that at least one supporting point has to be touching the ground directly behind the lie prior to any jump, and at least part of the body has to remain behind the plane of the lie until after the disc is released. This would permit some interesting sideways diving scramble shots without enabling people to attempt some crazy track and field 20 ft long jump towards the basket. Another reason I am completely against changing the C1 10M distance is because I use the Discineer Runmaker mini marker, which is an amazing tool, and you can get 10% off using code SAWYER 😁 ...but this rule if it went into effect would render it obsolete.

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

Bravo! You get it. But the rules probably will change, because... emotions, not logic. A couple of minor quibbles. Step putts can presently display the same issues as those of jump putts, just closer to the ground. And governing of a sideways plane creates another gray area, so jumping into any direction from the legal lie is the simple way to go.

[@jaymaker99]

I would love to see Brodie play in a go throw Tourney this year. A feature card featuring players we want to watch but don't always see on lead cards day 2 and 3.

[@LGroove18]

I would agree that sometimes having someone with a different perspective and experience come into a role where they may not fully “qualify” like a business leader in the tech world becoming CEO of a disc golf company could actually fix some of the issues by introducing the organization to things they probably didn’t know existed.

[@billcoulter1984]

Sprinkle valley and the beer works is a great time. Go if you’re ever in Austin

[@tmoz1017]

I started throwing in 1988, and have admittedly not played regularly over the last 36 years, but, having thrown out that disclaimer, am still looking forward to my first Ace. To be clear, I have hit the chains, band, and cage many times, but can't get one to stay in the basket.

[@Discannons]

I don’t see how doubling the distance that you can jump putt from is the least bit realistic. Why wouldn’t they go to like 45 feet? That’s insane

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

Besides, as Ezra A. said and as logic dictates, the issue being "solved" is not being solved at all.

[@bernan1]

because that's where they measure to C2. Which involves a key stat of C2 in regulation. Which is akin to green in regulation in ball golf.

[@andyf4152]

Played Ball golf 30 years, came close, never aced. Got my first DG ace on day 569. Got 3 aces now. Today is day 737. All 3 forehand aces!

[@timlohnes8480]

What? I went 29 years before my first ace. Started playing at Highland Park in St. Paul, MN in 1995. Got my first ace 2024 at Oyster Bay in San Leandro, CA. Then got another a couple months later. I'm always stunned by people acing left and right. It helps to be bad at disc golf to have a long aceless run!

[@timlohnes8480]

My friend aced Highland Park in those early years and I have been so bitter for a couple of decades until now. He lives near me now out in CA, still playing together.

[@tylerd.8556]

I like Paul's idea of mapping out the green like they do in ball golf, even if that makes them not circles. Hazards in ball golf are traditionally off the 'green' which is defined by the grass cut

[@bernan1]

there are times when one is on a green in ball golf and there is little possibility one will make a putt. Especially on huge greens. the problem is there is no grass cut factor in disc golf

[@DavisGrifffin]

Not sure what’s up with this podcast/channel but it never shows up on my home page. I am subscribed and listen every week but I have to search for it every time.

[@jacobcorey6880]

brodie said i’m done doing ads silas you gotta do it😂😂😂😂

[@phoebewittwag622]

Gary is cool Brodie, MAKE CONTENT (any content, I do not care. I watch Darkhorse Sportscards, solely for the entertainment value- I’m crazy. Thanks for the card category explanation over on The Offseason).

[@hubterk]

GARY IS THE GOAT

[@Discannons]

GK knows how to gather money I’ll give them that. I’m excited to see what they have in store. If they go with a different type of format with big money purses it would be pretty cool. Getting Liv Tour vibes

[@Bigshotdobbs]

My brother and I got our first aces back to back first throws on same hole after 1-2 years playing. Stacked em. I get several aces a year and don’t add the total anymore.

[@Greldek]

i've chained out a dozen or more ace runs but none have ever stuck. 15 years playing so far.

[@nyqpi33]

Hot take about jump / step putts. The purpose of establishing balance behind your lye in side the circle was to eliminate attempts at dunking the disc when close enough to do so. I say make the basket smaller in some way (i prefer making the chains closer to the center like a marksman basket) and instesd of a step or jump put having to release the disc before in the air allow it to be released after and require the step or jump put to originate from a stand still possition on the 12x12 area behind the lye. Also move jump putting back to 15 meters. No running up or running starts for a long jump type approach. No one outside a 15 meter circle is gaining a huge advantage by releasing the disc just after they leave the ground vs before leaving the ground. No one will get signifigantly closer with good control if their putt if they jump as hard as they can from their lye outside the circle.

[@lindadietz4695]

Disc golf course where you can cook out and bring your own beer and hang out till sundown. Two groups a day.

[@abcape11]

I love the skins series and am rooting for Luke and GK but am very nervous for them in this new endeavor. So many moving parts to a tour AND their track record of live coverage (big money skins) was a massive failure. It’s so hard to launch something like this and they are gonna be under a microscope. Are they going to have more resources than DGPT and are they going to be able to execute. If the announce and roll out tell us anything, they aren’t ready and don’t have a full go to market strategy ready. Ready, shoot, aim won’t be a better product than DGPT.

[@KenWhiffeyJr]

Course with a tap room could also rent our wheeled coolers for people to take drinks with them

[@spinningcirclesdg]

It's pretty sad that Brody's cellphone doesn't have the speaker phone option so we can all hear what Ezra has to say about step/jump putting

[@mrw9216]

Personally I say get rid of the jump putt, if you’re putting from a knee then you can only fall forward if you’re outside C1

[@GregMartin81]

I think the ace thing is different when you don't throw as far. Hitting an ace at your max distance is a lot harder than 50% power, Id assume.

[@darrylunt6246]

To me it sounds like what players need constant monitoring in feedback the system works effectively and efficiently

[@darrylunt6246]

Start with the basics document all the requirements and due dates. And then monitor them and provide feedback

[@darrylunt6246]

It's all about establishing the systems and them with feedback

[@FiascoFrosty]

I like the impromptu phonecall but they definitely need to get Uli connected as well. It was a weird convo since ezra couldn't hear uli.

[@ztsb_koneko]

I think not getting aces has a lot to do with your play style. If you're always, consistently going for under the basket with touch, you basically have no chance of acing.

[@loganwidby5953]

Time stamps on the “time line” would be awesome to know what topics are happening at what time. Still Great show. 🤙🏼

[@BrodieSmith]

In the description

[@obaits3225]

Totally agree with GIR stat. Hole 10 at mvp is the perfect example. In the trees on the left below castle shouldn’t be on a green So what if “circle” is a stay and c1 becomes a shaped “green” for stats. And maybe the 20m rule includes vertical distance as well as horizontal

[@landonwebb886]

When is Ezra gonna be a full time tour life host?

[@CTaylor86]

I pay for KZbin premium. Why do i have to see ads in the screen for your stuff?

[@moofassa0351344]

They need to just putt on the bull’s-eyes style baskets Make the basket smaller on the pro tour done.

[@markdennyritner7851]

Requiring TDS to Mark a 20 m circle on all holes it's not a good idea. Having separate rules for pro tournaments versus am tournaments is not a good idea, either.

[@MountaindewM]

Change the rules so your feet can't cross over your "lie". So if you are straddling you can't cross closer to the basket with either foot in a vertical line. Your foot can lift in the air but it can't be in front of your lie in the air when you release the disc. Also should make it so your plant foot can't leave the ground at all during any throw or putt.

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

That just replaces a gray-area rule with a new gray-area rule.

[@nathanielskinner6868]

Assume multiple major name brands decide to start supporting disc golf. Would you rather they throw money into event pots and host their own teams, or throw money into event pots and sponsor individual players?

[@bernan1]

in trad golf, there are times you are on the green and not really have a shot at the hole. It's a 'stat' penalty (costing you a putt) for playing onto the wrong spot on the green. Also...DG really needs to quit calling it a green.

[@natemaas1982]

I like Will but if Prodigy wants to actually be a real player in the disc market they should have hired someone with real qualifications.

[@natemaas1982]

I posted this and literally seconds later @brodiesmith says exactly that. lol

[@landonwebb886]

Gotta get Go Throw on the pod

[@birdinflight3861]

This is an easy one. The new rule is good for the purpose of making putting harder. So I like the rule. But it does nothing to eliminate the issue of illegal step putts. Ezra is dead on about that. Why not just ban step/jump putts all together? It’s either a throw or a putt, no other options.

[@justbrowsing5279]

You CAN step putt to your lie. You can take a full run up. Feldberg used to do the step to the lie putt all the time.

[@kevinsmith5202]

I’m 16 yrs into disc golf with no ace

[@ztsb_koneko]

Jump putt should go. We need to play by the rules, so either make them harder to break, or allow the controversial play. But even if we want to make jump putt legal, a lot of players actually break the throw rules by not even making contract with your lie at the point of release. At that point it becomes basically impossible to even define what a throw or putt is?

[@jvladcliff4083]

I started playing at the end of 2023 and got my first ace this summer. So that's out of the way. 🎉

[@QalebGoz]

Why not just make all the rules simpler and make jump putts completely legal. No more one point of contact rule. It would simplify everything

[@BathTeth]

I'd rather have it the other way round. Make it completely illegal, especially for Pro's. Putting is easy enough as it is.

[@justbrowsing5279]

Just keep circle one for statistical purposes. You already have C2 stats affected by bushes this would change nothing. Currently only one of two circles is affected by rules and the other is just for stats. Keep C1 for stats and C2 for rules and stats. Literally no issue with stats. As far as using meters, the entire world uses the metric system. It's a global sport. The rules are all based in meters. People can measure holes however the want but the rules only use the metric system. Perfectly uniform.

[@phoebewittwag622]

I don’t care about tour, location etc. if first place is under 10,000$ I’m not interested

[@BarryMaccockener]

If you invest money into Disc Golf , you’re not investing it you’re just throwing it directly into the trashcan. There is absolutely zero. I mean zero money in Disc Golf .

[@bryanfraser3527]

Disc golf is played all over the world, and all but three countries in the world use the metric system. The USA, Liberia and Myanmar.

[@TheZamarriped]

I would be ok w changing the put rule for Open players and not for AMs below MA1/FA1, would be ok. We want to encourage new players to play in local tournaments and not letting AM divisions below MA1/FA1 jump (which AMs do subconsciously) when putting outside of C1 would be discouraging for growing the sport at the local level. Same concept as how MA1/FA1 use the same teepads as Pros do (e.g. A pools, B pools, etc).

[@kristianenevoldsen6197]

maybe the new distance should me 15 meters (49 ft.). I think 20 meters would be too much

[@Discannons]

Are you allowed to lean as far forward as you can? Because a guy that’s 6’8 can reach a lot further than a guy who is 5’8. I’m with Ezra. I don’t think this accomplishes anything. Why isn’t everyone step and jump putting if it’s an advantage?

[@jeffro-xj1]

Brody's correct. The sport originated in the US and it is weird to use metric; not to say that signage couldn't include both and probably should on top rated courses in all countries. But, fundamentally it is just weird that rules were put in place like this. Steady Ed must have been one that preferred metric. Americans DO understand the rest of the world uses metric, we still much prefer "imperial" measurements. I don't see this changing any time soon. If any group is converting the numbers it should not be the group from where the sport originated. Baseball, basketball, American football all started in the US and uses the US measurement system. I'm actually surprised that golf uses yards and feet; golf was NOT invented in the US. What is up with THAT!?

[@justbrowsing5279]

The point isn't to fix the issue, it's to make it less consequential. Shrinking the basket is sooooo dumb. Only the top MPO players are so good that making smaller baskets makes sense and even then, not on windy days. No one wants to see players missing more from 30 feet. Additionally, FPO putting is far far worse. Shrinking the baskets would make FPO unwatchable.

[@anthonynewberry8028]

Didn’t ace for several years…then made 15 in the next 12 months

[@daniellukkien2317]

Remove the mini from the game, so it could be harder to jump putt

[@ChristianX1000]

Is someone gonna tell Brodie the difference between Japanese and Chinese…

[@GoodFaithGary]

My first question is this: When creating the rules for the PDGA, who is the target audience? Are the rules intended for elite-level touring pros, or are they for lower-level pros and all AMs? If the answer is the former, then fine. Make it harder, and everyone else will just deal with it. However, if it's the latter, and I suspect is the truth, then it's probably fine leaving the circle at 10m. We shouldn't be surprised that elite-level players, whose job it is to be good at disc golf, to be really good at step/jump putting. I believe the point of the rules in a game like disc golf, and I believe this applies to traditional golf, is that the rules are there to enforce a "spirit of the game". Now, obviously you can't have zero rules, because humans are humans, so we need rules to establish some kind of standard. The idea of these rules is that players should know these rules and make good faith efforts to stay within them. So obviously, we don't want to see a guy running and jumping from his lie to dunk it in the basket before he lands, but a guy jump putting who released his disc 1ms too late isn't gaining any advantage and is CLEARLY making a good faith effort to stay within the rules.

[@rfinnegan7106]

Most rules changes are for top level pros. Barry Schultz brought us a falling putt change to add a stroke on rethrow.

[@tolgarambovskiolcay9569]

I agree. Lets unify The measurments. The rest of the world (mostly) is using meters, so why not follow??

[@rickyciani4274]

We should you the metric system the American one sucks

[@cheyfi9052]

Brodie you have got to get a new camera bro. It’s time

[@Discannons]

How about you just can’t jump past your lie? You can jump but you have to make a balanced landing behind your lie. Easy to police

[@heythatjusthappened]

I feel like the Eagles Crossing owner is into something shady 👀

[@Greldek]

lol brodie we need a melting horse zone now :p

[@mikesurvant6730]

ezra can't make putts without a step putt 😂😂

[@ViJt-oq5nq]

Just make it so if u step putt or jump putt you have to land behind your lie/mini same as if u run up. Problem solved ez fkn pz. It really don't have to be this complicated 😑

[@phoebewittwag622]

20,000$ top prize!

[@zacharywoodford8530]

Just remove the rule entirely. I see no real advantage to leaving the ground anyway, just let everyone do it if they want.

[@iAmAzwell]

Sorry, but the rule change is dumb. It’ll make putting slightly more difficult for the top pros, but couple potentially cost kids, FA/FPO, and Masters players several strokes per tournament. The effect will be too high for all but a few top pros.

[@jillmahal4695]

Keep the step putt rule as is.

[@chrisarnett7370]

Took me 6 years to get an ace.

[@TheAeroRising]

It’s really not that hard. If you have a 40 foot putt. You step putt TO YOUR LIE not beyond your lie.

[@Sniffiez]

🎉

[@stevenramseyjr2032]

Where is the logic in the putting and lies debate? What even are the supposed problems? Are there a great many weighted voices trying to make disc golf LESS appealing to the leveling-off viewing audience and tournament players at all levels? I hear a lot of illogical arguing from emotion and authority, along with strawmen. Concerning the issue of lies and step- and jump-putts, either call and second perceived violations, or get off the pot. The only almost-solution is to make uniform the stance rules from tee to basket. That comes in 2 options: Mandate a maintained/grounded plant foot in ALL tosses, or allow a lifted plant foot in ALL tosses. Calling for non-player officials to make the calls on the current OR future rules merely shifts calls from one set of subjective eyes (the players) to another set of subjective eyes (non-player officials). Not a solution. Calling for C1 to be expanded concerning lie rules merely shifts the current perceived problem to a different spot on each hole. Not a solution. I have yet to hear/see anyone define what supposed problem current C1 putting percentages present. Why does putting need to be more difficult? Putting stats, even among top touring pros vary by percentage points amounting to standard deviations of separation. Putting percentages among the 32 MPO Finalists go from the 70s to the 90s, meaning the difference between wins, podiums, top 10s, and even missing cash. Concerning basket sizes, smaller targets would deprive the sport of most throw-ins. Again, what problem does the broad spectrum of current putting percentages present that putting needs to be made more difficult?

[@rickyg9335]

Less Uli........more Gary.

[@joshua8314]

What e we don't want is football talk. Football SUCKS. Disc golf videos yes, football banter NO.

[@phoebewittwag622]

Step, jump, dance, I don’t care, but from behind your lie

[@jganiyu]

Just FH putt ... 😏

[@leestriplin554]

Well....if the United States of America did what the rest of the world did, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now..

[@jeffro-xj1]

Well........if pigs could fly

[@BarryMaccockener]

They gotta change that lame ass name