Four Holy Grails

[@devtrev85]

The deadpan delivery of how the 4 cups “have nothing much in common other than being old and able to contain fluid” is LOL. Extra points to Dr Ryan for being both funny and right.

[@atlantic_love]

Why are you here, other than poking fun at Christians?

[@Mark-III-]

@@atlantic_love How are they poking fun at Christians?

[@jackhartford521]

@@atlantic_love Laughing at the beautifully funny lie that is religion. Laughing at you because you think truth is an attack upon your religion.

[@flyingisaac2186]

@@jackhartford521 Soy fuelled internet atheists take cringe to levels never considered possible.

[@jackhartford521]

@@flyingisaac2186 Blood cult fueled religion finds itself taking steps back because humans are waking up.

[@mileslong3904]

I had the opportunity to drink some water from one of these grails a while back but then I immediately disintegrated and died. True story.

[@travisbickle5984]

You chose...poorly.

[@robkunkel8833]

how do you pay the cost of internet? Do you need headphones? Can Jesus make himself a baby anytime he wants? If so, does he? Does Jesus mess around with humans? Am I asking too much? Thanks for posting. 🪃Back to you,

[@marydonohoe8200]

🥴🤣

[@lsb2623]

Only the penitent man will pass.

[@Coolspellzindahouse]

I also had the opportunity to open the arc of the alliance but unfortunately my skin melted like paint

[@Murdocke7]

And the Lord spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out! Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.

[@elliotroden9926]

ONE TWO FIVE!

[@rickb3078]

That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on! Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer! He's got huge, sharp-- eh-- he can leap about-- look at the bones!

[@pastlife960]

GET ON WITH IT!

[@cbaylor0369]

We are the keepers of the secret words, Née!

[@forkthepork]

In thy mercy...

[@jacksmith4530]

I hate hearing about ancient artifacts being broken in more modern times, but I definitely chuckled when I heard about the "emerald" bowl shattering

[@Jesse_Dawg]

I love this treasure series where it doesnt end with "the treasure was melted down for scrap" or something. This is nice. More like this please

[@saturnista5510]

Please dont take this guys word as fact, bare in mind whenever watching his videos that he does not research any of the topics, and goes purely on wikipedia entries and list articles made on buzzfeed.... there is no legitimate sources for 90% of his information and this should be viewed purely for entertainment purposes only.

[@kevinlove4356]

@@saturnista5510 Source?

[@saturnista5510]

The Enochian Verses, detailing the life of jesus between 3 and 29

[@kevinlove4356]

@@saturnista5510 Sorry, I should have been more explicit. What is the source for your statement "...there is no legitimate sources for 90% of his information and this should be viewed purely for entertainment purposes only."

[@saturnista5510]

Ok... lets have a little English lesson shall we? Todays lesson, proving a negative; and why it is a fallacy. Jimmy walks into class and says "I met the Queen at the weekend" Laura comes in and says "No he didnt" The only way for it to be settled, is if there is proof. The burden of proof falls onto Jimmy, Jimmy made the claim, Jimmy must provide evidence if challenged by laura. Laura does not have to provide any proof, because there is no proof of unprovable situation. The only proof laura could show, is proof of jimmy telling the truth. I hope this helps you understand why your comment was extremely immature, in the most literal sense of the word. this is basic english and basic grammar and is basic practice of law in every democratic country. TL;DR. This guy is making claims, and showing no evidence or proof of his claims, HE is the one who has to provide evidence of his claims, I am simply pointing out that 90% (and that was being kind) of the stuff he mentions, he shows no proof for it or evidence, and anyone who listens to him would be able to confirm that, yes, he does add mostly his own opinions. this isnt news. he does this. its what he does. You really need to come off of the internet, go for a walk, get some fresh air, and maybe try and find a girlfriend, because youre anger and hatred towards people online for daring to talk about the bible, or daring to say jesus couldnt fly, or daring to call out someone for making stuff up, is just beyond acceptable for modern culture. remember.... WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?! Not try and insult people and belittle them :D

[@rickb3078]

My word, the craftsmanship already achieving such masterpieces so many centuries and millennia ago. Mind boggling. I love the videos about artifacts.

[@AndrewBlucher]

I'm confused. What do you mean by "already"?

[@rickb3078]

@@AndrewBlucher I’m fascinated by artists from the ancient world (not limited to Greece and Rome, all other cultures included) that crafted masterpieces with a toolset that is far more limited than what we have today. How they managed to gain sufficient knowledge of materials and their properties to make their works of art that endure for millennia. If handled properly. If you give it to the French then it either disappears forever or it’s toast within days of course. 😂 In the 21st century we are now at the peak of the pyramid when it comes to being able to work materials, with all sorts of precisions plasma/laser/water/cnc cutting machines, lathes, diamond tipped cutting bits, perfectly angled spindels, highly researched paints, varnishes and what not. And therefore we build particle board houses that last 50 years! Because the ancients couldn’t! 🤦‍♂️

[@AndrewBlucher]

@@rickb3078 It seems that there are a few things you are not really aware of. Malleability. Gold and silver are very malleable, meaning they can be hammered into shape easily. Copper too. Lead is more malleable, but it doesn't have the allure. What can be achieved by developing and handing down knowledge through many generations. These people were just as smart as us, and like us some craftsmen were more gifted or inventive than others. Once a technique was discovered it tended to be incorporated into the knowledge handed down. They were limited by not having atomic theory and such, but had immense practical experience. On another note, what is this dig at the French? Have you heard of the Louvre?

[@rickb3078]

@@AndrewBlucher there are a great many things I’m not aware of for sure, the world is a place full of marvel and ingenuity. It’s not just metal working, but craftsmanship of all kinds. And supply chain. Stone metal wood mosaics fabrics, everything. The world was not as connected in the ancien world as it is now. Skills developed independently in different regions. Using different materials and tools. You were limited to what could be made locally. There were no KZbin tutorials. You couldn’t order a lie-Nielsen #7 on Amazon in 50 AD. You couldn’t order all required or missing materials with overnight shipping. It took a great deal of effort to get all the skills tools and materials in one place. That is something to be appreciated. What is a “Louvre”? Please enlighten me o exalted one! Now that you bring it up, I’d make the same dig about any colonial power displaying stolen treasure. British museum, the Met, Berlin and others. If it’s not blatantly stolen it’s bought at gun point for a pittance. Or the people in the colony were so impoverished they had to sell at bargain prices. It’s surprisingly hard to say no when a British/French/any foreign oppressing officer with a gun shows up and offers you 10p for an ancient necklace he wants for his love. He also has the power of the rigged courts to use against you. Dishonest acquisition is a crime whether it was done now or 500 years ago.

[@kp-legacy-5477]

@@rickb3078 what if i told you peoples belief in ancient peoples onky having primitive tools is very wrong Too many cases of things being built that couldnt physically have been built with their technology

[@seventhson27]

In the tales of King Arthur, the "Quest for the Holy Grail" was not to find the Holy Grail, but a quest to see who was WORTHY of custody of the grail.

[@realmothchu]

so you're saying the real holy grail were the friends we made along the way?

[@michaelhoffmann2891]

I'm halfway surprised you didn't mention "that movie", where they arguably got one thing right: what kind of cup would a poor, itinerant Jewish carpenter really have had? Certainly not one of these artifacts that were likely only for the wealthy even when they were made.

[@SLane249]

And the other movie thats golden.

[@Hakhoumbha]

i'm pretty sure rare metals were a lot more available back then

[@dlevi67]

@@Hakhoumbha Actually, a lot less. Major finds of gold and silver date to the 15th century and later. In fact, Toldinstone made a highly pertinent video recently: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rKqrfIJvpLyDnrM&ab_channel=toldinstone

[@saturnista5510]

A great movie. but you cant base your historical or religious beliefs on that movie :/

[@drpsionic]

Jesus wasn't poor. That was a myth.

[@free_at_last8141]

0:55 - "They had, they announced, discovered..." The holy hand grenade of Antioch. Three seconds shall thou counteth. Not two, nor four, but three.

[@solank7620]

Five!

[@magnificus8581]

I would love for him to do a video on that!

[@hansvonmannschaft9062]

@@magnificus8581 That'd be an awesome April's Fool video 😀 Just don't forget your favourite colour!

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

Let's not get out of control here folks, remember there is the bridge you've yet to broach.

[@michaellyczak9337]

No thanks. I already have one.

[@automaticmattywhack1470]

"Old and capable of holding fluid" made me laugh out loud.

[@WhiteJesusMM]

I am very curious about ancient Roman hair styles and hair cuts, I'd love to see an episode about this!

[@automaticmattywhack1470]

Great idea!

[@toldinstone]

You're in luck - I have a video on that topic coming in the relatively near future...

[@eljanrimsa5843]

What is more astonishing: The net value of an emerald the size of a plate, or the craftmanship that goes into creating it with glass with the tools they had at the time?

[@dlevi67]

There are some quite astonishing pieces of glassware that were never identified with the grail - look up the Lycurgus cup, for example.

[@aka99]

@@dlevi67 yes, this is a masterpiece also.

[@saturnista5510]

its not an emerald. and that class was made very very easily, it doesnt take advanced craftsmanship to make, Please dont take this guys word as fact, bare in mind whenever watching his videos that he does not research any of the topics, and goes purely on wikipedia entries and list articles made on buzzfeed.... there is no legitimate sources for 90% of his information and this should be viewed purely for entertainment purposes only. this guy is not an expert on any subject and continuously posts incorrect information.

[@dlevi67]

@@saturnista5510 "This guy" who? Garrett Ryan? He has a PhD in Greek and Roman history from UMi... and has a book published on the subject (not a self-publish kind of thing). He clearly says the Sacro Catino is not emerald - but he correctly says that it was _believed_ to be emerald until 1816.

[@Ksoism]

@@saturnista5510 A good point. Maybe not that blunt, though. These videos are interesting and for the most parts, informational and educative. I can't remember spotting obvious errors (then again, I'm not an expert, or anything even remotely like that). But as is very common in historical studies, things aren't usually so straight forward. "It went like this" or "they said and did so" isn't usually the case. There are contradicting information, ancient sources are often biased, one story or theory might be a lot more entertaining than others - and I fully understand that to keep these videos interesting and fluid, you gotta pick your story and stick with it. You can't go through every possibility and weight their nuances. Many viewers hopefully know and understand this. These are short clips that have some of the historical facts picked up and served as a fun, short clip. Guy has a series of time traveler guides, after all.... I like this channel, for these reasons. Vids are short, fun and often from outside of the box, I like that. Time traveler guides, ancient buildings in use today, that sort of stuff.

[@leslielutz1874]

Excellent topic ! Thank You for this. And, of course, Merry Christmas.

[@jeffwalther3935]

Yours are the finest presentations of western civilization and history I've seen yet. "We, the People" need to know history like nothing else to be able to solve our own modern problems that exist because we too are human human, that is, we've encountered similar phenomena like now in the past and what happened is the point of knowing history thoroughly well. This historian's grace and ease with so much background and complex info supplied conversationally, clarification, simplification, relevant depth and contemporary scope is a priceless and infinitely valuable means to understand AND SOLVE contemporary social "grail knot" problems of our age and of the ages too. Toldinstone is doing PRECISELY that for us here AND the vast KZbin audience who need to know these lessons of "the hard way", object lessons too to avoid OUR civilization suddenly crumbling, shtf, or incrementally reduced to imbecility and posturing symbology as reality dictates otherwise and irreplaceable civilization crumbles, again, . . . Knowing history is saving us ALL, even now.

[@colchesterritter8992]

Another very interesting video, thanks. I am also enjoying reading your book, getting through it quickly as I love ancient history, and in particular Roman History.

[@aka99]

yepp. what do you think of his video A roman Army in the heart of Germany?

[@americalatinastory6022]

A Merry Christmas to you, Dr Ryan.

[@uncletrucky]

Got your book for Christmas mr Ryan. Already read 100 pages and it's great. I've noticed I've been reading it in your voice lmao. Merry Christmas

[@gordiasgordian925]

The book arrived yesterday from Amazon. Can't wait to read it!

[@GreatGamerTV]

After watching so many of your videos I have finally convinced myself to purchase your book. I haven’t watched a single video of yours that I have disliked so I have to assume the book will be no different.

[@nondescript2892]

As always very adept at separating myth from history....7 minutes more informative and entertaining than any hour long documentary screaming platitudes about "Mystery!" and " Long Lost Hidden Treasure".....well done..please never change

[@jonathanjochem7289]

Merry Christmas Dr Ryan. Thank you for your videos all year long.

[@losbexp]

This is one of the best YT channel I've ever subscribed for sure. Thanks.

[@DiphdatheFrog]

Thanks for the informative videos and a Merry Christmas

[@random22026]

Wonderful subject for the holidays! Happy Christmas, Joyous 2022, and all good things to come! :D

[@johnspizziri1919]

Thank you and Merry Christmas.

[@deewesthill4705]

John Steinbeck credited Holy Grail legends as the inspiration for his novels and stories, the theme of which is a goal that people work hard to get but never do.

[@canadious6933]

Hello, I finally got my hands on your book and I have been loving it so far. Great read

[@freespirit995]

Merry Christmas! And thank you for all these fascinating and informative videos!

[@Patchy_Skillz]

Wow your channel has grown so much!!! I’m happy for you and history!

[@veespa_]

Your videos are so interesting, I enjoy them very much. With each upload I find a new topic that I had no idea I wanted to know about. Thank you very much for what you do!

[@dustin628]

Wow such beautiful work! I especially liked the one the Habsburgs declared a national treasure. The craftsman of the time were incredible at what they did.

[@bluecow10]

Merry Christmas toldinstone, I just recieved your book for Christmas and I can’t wait to read it. I hope you have a joy filled day

[@michaelgarcia3680]

i love this channel so much. Merry Christmas/ Happy Holidays!

[@RickLowrance]

Great subject. Until now I've really never known anything about this.

[@hugodesrosiers-plaisance3156]

Wonderful material, as always. 🤩

[@ozne_2358]

Got your book for Christmas, looking forward to reading it !

[@stephenzinda]

When I need a break in the studio it's always nice to see a new(ish) toldinstone out!

[@vesseleightyseven]

Thanks for the video bro! Love your content ❤️👏

[@hamiljohn]

I'm enjoying greatly my copy of Naked Statues Fat Gladiators and War Elephants.

[@meninist1657]

"the object of the quest is unattainable, but the quest itself is a noble and worthwhile thing" is what I would say of perfection. There is no wrong in trying to achieve it in every element of our being and of our life as a whole.

[@brucefreadrich1188]

15,000 views in 8 hrs… on Christmas Eve… well done, Dr. Ryan.

[@laststraw6734]

Bought the book, well got it as a gift for Christmas. The wife also got a Frenchie who chewed up one of the ends. Half way through, author does a good job writing about these complex peoples of the ancient world and making it interesting, especially for those not as well informed as the average history nerd.

[@mokeymok958]

got your book as a christmas gift for my dad, he already likes it

[@PtolemyJones]

Newman later called it "the worst motion picture produced during the 1950s".

[@TheHylianBatman]

I love going to look at pictures of things supposed to be the Grail. "It's just a cup!" comes out of my mouth often.

[@panqueque445]

Why is the holy grail the only thing used in the last supper that people are obsessed with? Wouldn't "the holy plate" be just as important? The holy chair? Why just the grail?

[@Lucius1958]

The Holy Lamb Shank? The Holy Matzoh? (After all, the Last Supper was a Passover seder)

[@automaticmattywhack1470]

It supposedly caught Christ's blood at the cross. No mention of the plate doing that in the legends or Jesus sitting in the same chair from the Last Supper right before he was crucified.

[@dlevi67]

@@Lucius1958 The legend says that pilgrims are still searching for the Holy Afikomen...

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

Thank you so much, Garrett! I really enjoyed this look these old vessels.

[@cerberus6654]

'Doctor' Garret to you irreverent American "Doctor G' is permitted.

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

@@cerberus6654 I have always called him by his first name, but I really do respect his Doctorate and his position of expertise.

[@cerberus6654]

@@mitchellbarnow1709 Good thing Mitchell because Doctor G is connected to the Chicago Mob. Dis him and it starts with your pets disappearing. Trust me, he's brutal.

[@mitchellbarnow1709]

@@cerberus6654 I love you, Cerberus!

[@cerberus6654]

@@mitchellbarnow1709 And for mynpart, dearest Mitchell, have the most sincere affection for youself. Happy Christmas.

[@paoloviti6156]

As always another very interesting video in this case regarding the four "Grails" each of them created during the late Roman period by master craftmans. They also have in common the sad distinction to be looted somewhere in the Bizantine empire or directly from Costantinopole with one exception from Italy thanks to Napoleon and his army that by the way looted a lot of artifacts, many never returned, and destroyed a lot of important churches and monuments, I find it sad. I wish you had a merry Xmas and have great new year 👍👍🎅🍺

[@harrietlyall1991]

Fabulous tableware! I particularly like the Persian green glass bowl, most unusual, my bananas and oranges would look terrific in that! So careless of Napoleon to break it in transit. Moral: always use bubble wrap or a Jiffy bag when looting precious objects.

[@delskioffskinov]

Just want to say I love your channel!

[@LunarUmi]

As a Fate fan, this video was especially interesting. In that series, there's an untold number of holy grails that are very much attainable lol.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

Fate Jesus must have been a drunk.

[@islemisawesome6145]

I’m so glad I found this channel

[@davidross2031]

Love your content

[@aka99]

me too

[@cerberus6654]

Well Dr. G, all I can say is that my Norman ancestors came back from the second Crusade with a kind of wooden Nabatean and very richly carved salad spinner - which I actually possess. We didn't have the nerve to say that it was the Holy Salad Spinner of Mary or something similar. My ancestor, Count Guillaume de Brie actually denounced the bishop of Béthune in Normandie for trying to set it up as just such a holy relic. Imagine. Shocking.

[@KnaveRain]

Do you happen to have any pictures of it? Seems really cool

[@joshviggiani9844]

Of a holy salad spinner do you speak! Lord Cerberus please... do say... I must know more!

[@cerberus6654]

@@joshviggiani9844 I am not a lord. I retained my status as a commoner. My great-great whatever grandfather was an earl and the salad spinner, well, part of the conditions of my inheritance of the earldom of Caithness was to not offer it up to the public gaze.

[@cerberus6654]

@@KnaveRain No. My family tradition is strict. No display. Which is really hard to understand as my ancestor who cut off the friezes and metopes on the Parthenon was prepared to display that on his property. Sorry.

[@joshviggiani9844]

@@cerberus6654 You drive a hard bargain, dear sir Cerb. 750 million dollars will be accepted from me by you, steadfastly and with ample aplomb. I shall strive to no end! It is best that you simply comply. This is purportedly the most significant salad spinner of our times, after all! Nothing inside or outside of our cosmos has ever gripped me with such urgency, such an iron desire even remotely equal to this! Sleep tonight I know will come with little ease, having not the comfort of that salad spinner sitting gingerly in my hands... Happy holidays, commoner Cerberus 🥳

[@delawariand9860]

Great video!

[@Catwoman1464]

Its really cool what ancient folks were able to do in art and craftsmanship

[@aka99]

yes. surley the best of the best, but still mindblowing. imagine, the dude who created it, would be proud if he would had known back then his work will be still bewondered after 1500 years.

[@Lucius1958]

It is either an inexcusable oversight, or else an instance of superhuman self-control, that you refrained from using the Python clip: *"No, thanks: we already got one!"* 😉

[@toldinstone]

Self-control, I assure you

[@histguy101]

This channel is life-giving water from a chalice called joy

[@johnladuke6475]

"It will not be made of gold..." _"That's_ the cup of a carpenter! But only one way to find out..."

[@RaterProTrickster]

As the legends of king arthur are based on welsh mythology many have theorised that the grail isnt a cup but actually a cauldron. Cauldrons in celtic times seemed to play a lot of religious importance as in irish mythology the cauldron has been known to have magical properties like having a supply of food that never runs out. I believe as well there are further links that have been made but i don't quite remember the details.

[@hollyingraham3980]

Except the Grail wasn't part of any Welsh legend, but the invention of French fan-fction writers.

[@RaterProTrickster]

@@hollyingraham3980 while the grail itself was made up in french fiction I've at least seen a few articles suggesting that the idea evolved from the cauldrons in the myths of old celtic stories. However, I'm far from an expert so maybe this is a loose connection.

[@joshuabessire9169]

"And King Arthur(the one who married the woman from Legends of the Fall) would be joined in this quest by Sir Indy, the brave, Sir Sallah, the pure, and Sir Marcus, the not quite so brave as Sir Indy, who got lost in his own museum, who almost spit in the face of Walter Donovon, and personally got himself captured in Alexandretta. And the aptly named Sir Short Round."

[@kaloarepo288]

Though it never has been considered to have been the Holy Graal,the most amazing chalice from the ancient Roman world has to be the Lycurgus cup-a dichroic cup of stunning workmanship believed to have been made in the 4th century A.D. and now in the Victoria and Albert Museum in London -once having been in the Rothschild stately home of Waddeston Manor."Dichroic" refers to the fact that the object changes color if the light passes through it as the cup is translucent.

[@foowashere]

Thanks for the reference. 👍 What an amazing artefact, both in itself and in its survival.

[@aka99]

@@foowashere yepp. i would buy a copy of that cup.

[@BradyAlley]

I don't understand why such luxurious items would be associated with Christ since he lived a simplistic, fulfilling life without much money on earth and sharing salvation with the Jews.

[@RalphEllis]

According to Arthurian legend the Holy Grail was a stone. It was the elagabal, the sacred stone of Syria. The stone that Emperor Elagabalus took to Rome. There are several coin images of it. R

[@JacktheRah]

Not Christian or religious in general, but I find this from an archeological and historic point of view very interesting.

[@Seventeen_Syllables]

I have numerous cups and plates. To the best of my knowledge none are the Holy Grail. However, if any credentialed scholar would like to examine them, feel free to contact.

[@gljm]

Dingo : Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot! She has been setting a light to our beacon, which, I've just remembered, is Grail shaped. It's not the first time we've had this problem. Sir Galahad : It's not the real Grail? Dingo : Oh, wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a bad person, and she must pay the penalty!

[@ghosttrain9022]

Maybe Jesus really got into that wine at the last supper and needed multiple cups.

[@kekero540]

“Sir we found the literal holy grail.” “How much money can we get for it” Lmao

[@chrissibersky4617]

Ricky: "This is the holy grail of the holy grails. How much do you want for it?" Seller: "I'm thinking $100.000." Ricky: "Not gonna happen. I'm taking all the risk here. Best I can do is $10."

[@aloysiusjones3985]

What about the holy knives, forks and spoons? The holy charcuterie board, they must have had cheese and biscuits before the Last Supper. 🇦🇺👍🍺

[@maximgwiazda344]

OK, but what about the older silver cup inside the the Antioch chalice? Was it ever examined separately?

[@toldinstone]

It was later realized that there was no inner cup - the scholar who examined it misinterpreted the inner lining as a separate vessel.

[@SlyPearTree]

"The object of the quest is unattainable, but the quest itself is a noble and worthwile thing." and the real grail was the friends made along the way.

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

"At least 3 of you chose... poorly. Probably 4 of you did, though" - The last of three brothers who swore and oath to find the grail, and protect it.

[@infernalmedia1784]

Found an old cup when I moved into my house, I framed it as the national treasure and framed it to stare at while on the toilet!

[@crixxxxxxxxx]

The Bible mentions a cup used by Christ at the Last Supper: Matthew 26:27 - Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Luke 22:20 - “In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.”

[@owllymannstein7113]

It is interesting to think about. Depending on what it was made from there are probably still fragments of it out there somewhere.

[@toldinstone]

Yes - there is certainly a cup in the Gospel accounts of the Last Supper. I meant only that the Bible places no special emphasis on that cup - it's just a vessel on the table.

[@joellaz9836]

@@toldinstone For medieval people it didn’t matter. Everything connected to Jesus was a holy relic, including his you know……

[@automaticmattywhack1470]

I know that some Greek artists, sculptors, etc sometimes signed their works. Did Roman artists sign their works too?

[@toldinstone]

Yes, sometimes - in fact the faint "XPISTOS" inscribed on the agate cup from Vienna is sometimes thought to be the misread signature of an artist named Aristos.

[@curtisalanmcgee]

Rolled and stoned. Nice

[@T_Mo271]

Now let there be references to "the chalice from the palace".

[@brucecoppola8512]

And the vessel with the pestle.

[@jeromeriedl]

Dang holy grail keeps leaking all over the place.

[@toldinstone]

Yeah, the one from Pisa would be an awfully inefficient punch bowl.

[@dennisreynolds1341]

I always just think of Indiana Jones and the last crusade. The holy grail in that is nothing but a poor-mans cup.

[@ej732]

Dr Jones would disagree. The grail was made of wood.

[@lieutenantbites5739]

"...If he can give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail." "Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen. He's already got one, you see." I guess he was telling the truth.

[@OldManMontgomery]

Fascinating history, Being an old and fairly straight Christian, not of the Orthodox variety, any relic, either genuine or fraudulent means little to me. A personal relationship with the Creator is the single treasure I seek. Interrupted by being all too fallible human, of course.

[@automaticmattywhack1470]

I hope everyone has/had a wonderful Feast of Sol Invictus!

[@aka99]

thx, hope you had one too

[@RainintheBrain]

The Holy Grail legend is partly inspired by Celtic Mythology. There exists the Four Treasures of the Tuatha Dé Danann. One of these is the Cauldron (coire) of the Dagda which was believed to enough food and drink for everyone en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Treasures_of_the_Tuatha_D%C3%A9_Danann

[@brianmccarthy5557]

And what does the potbellied and often ferocious Dagda and his cooking cauldron for his gluttonous appetite have to do with the Grail legend other than the extremely vague notion than both were vessels to hold things? I've heard this idiotic speculation before but who, in their right mind, would repeat such trash? That somebody in Wikipedia repeats it only further degrades an already untrustworthy source of information. I guess it works on you non-Gaels who are totally unfamiliar with our ancient native gods that we abandoned 1500 years ago or more.

[@pierren___]

Gral = sang-real = Saint Graal (Royal blood)

[@joellaz9836]

This is not exactly true. *The credible Jacqueline Simpson together with S. Roud, in The Oxford Dictionary of English Folklore (2000), addresses this topic: They maintain that "There are no old folk traditions about the Holy Grail, though it is prominent in French Arthurian literature from the late 12th century onwards where it is usually, but not invariably, linked to the Last Supper and Crucifixion, the Eucharist, and Joseph of Arimathea. In English Arthurian romances it lies hidden in a mysterious castle somewhere in Britain, guarded by descendants of Joseph or of one of his companions; Arthur's knights try to obtain it, but in vain.” Some scholars have argued that Celtic myths underlie the medieval texts. Simpson and Roud, unfortunately, do not take a position on whether they agree with "some scholars," almost certainly because this is a fanciful idea that can be neither proven nor disproven.*

[@ericfisher565]

@@pierren___ your very right you know the truth

[@ericfisher565]

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[@lachlansumner2577]

Just curious why you didn’t narrate your audio book on Audible? I got a bit of a surprise when I started it and it wasn’t your voice! :)

[@toldinstone]

I wasn't asked to narrate. My publisher sold the rights, and the audiobook company wanted to use one of their own readers.

[@christschool]

The actual cup was likely to be one that was common and widely used at the time. Because Christ preached chastity, humbleness and poverty to serve man, he is not likely to have had an ornate chalice at the last supper. Additionally, none of the apostles at the time knew of the significance of the last supper when it happened, so its unlikely they gathered their sheckles to purchase an ornate cup. The entire idea of the holy grail is a figment of medieval culture in my opinion. The very idea that Christ would have such a luxury chalice is preposterous on its face.

[@aka99]

yes, i think so too, but may i ask, you watched this video? just beeing curious

[@christschool]

@@aka99 Yes, I watched it. Medieval culture has always interested me.

[@aka99]

@@christschool did you also watched his video about a roman army in the heart of germany?

[@johnmorey720]

Since the Last Supper was a Passover meal taken at the nearest convenient dining room for rent in some guy's house, that means "THE CUP" would just be an ordinary drinking vessel... in some random guy's house, so who would have thought to keep and/or collect it? Even by the time of the crucifixion, it would have been washed and put away with other cups, so smeone running back to collect it would have been out of luck. Kind of wrecks the idea.

[@markgrunzweig6377]

Dear Dr., Don't forget to show us the Grail as a stone or dish. I know that you're just dragging this all out and will show these other two "vehicles", that other interpetions of the one great story used. I won't tell anyone else but you, so I won't spoil your surprise!

[@Rockribbedman]

King Arthur: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he can provide us food and shelter for the night he can join us on the quest for the Holy Grail. French: Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'd be very keen. He's already got one you see? King Arthur: [puzzled] What? Sir Galahad: They said they already got one.

[@sarysa]

I subscribe to the Indiana Jones hypothesis...if the last supper happened and there was a shared drinking vessel, it was probably simple. (also, it was likely pretty large)

[@sophdog1678]

The quest of the Holy Grail was not to acquire the Grail, but simply to be allowed to view the Grail. Only the the most virtuous and pious of knights could be blessed with such an honour, and in the end, this honour was afforded to Sir Galahad, as he was said to have been conceived for just this holy purpose. Galahad was assisted and accompanied in the final stages of the quest by the knights Sir Percival and Bors the Younger.

[@mqbitsko25]

What about the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

[@aka99]

no surving holy hand grenade survived to this day.

[@riffhammeron]

So funny that people would think that the cup from the last supper, if it exists, would be an ornate piece made of precious metal.

[@aka99]

lol yes. but inside this cup a simple cup is there. sooo a simple cup and around this silver masterpiece

[@garyfrancis6193]

Old and capable of holding fluid is something I have in common with the Holy Grail.

[@clarkclifford2338]

Lol. “I told him we already got one.”.

[@carlose4314]

The Santo Caliz in Valencia was used by Pope John Paul II when he celebrated mass at the Valencia Cathedral.

[@TotemoGaijin]

The one time where I gotta agree with Indiana Jones. Jesus certainly wouldn't have had or been interested in such a fancy vessel.

[@brucefreadrich1188]

Anybody else suddenly want to see the Paul Neuman movie? No, just me?

[@aka99]

it is just you.