Four Times a Day | John Harvey Kellogg

[@KnowingBetter]

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[@demondragonwren]

Just one thing, breathing, breathing techniques, and various nervous system management techniques have been shown to be extremely useful for mental health. Both laughter, laughter meditation, and various yogas and whatever all provide those benifits. Not to mention the social aspect.

[@jhoughjr1]

glucose comes from grapes maltose comes from malted grain.

[@loucam08]

I remember when nebula's discounted subscription was $12 a year. $30 a year is the best discount now?

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

I was thinking briefly of *Jethro Kloss,* but I knew it was wrong. He focused on vegetable nutrition as they cure for just about everything, but also as a way to prevent a bunch of ailments. He was way off on the science but quoted scripture to justify his views on "healthful living." I'm sure he was morally upright and honest, if misdirected, in some instances, but IDK. I only read his book, "Back to Eden," never knowing much about his background and character.

[@xp7575]

​​@@chompythebeast from the river to the sea Israel will be free from the gen o cide that the Arab colonizers are trying to commit

[@Saibellus]

kellogg was one of the last noble scions of the "an overconfident man said it in a smug way" school of medicine. the same guys who gave us humor-balancing and wandering uterus disease.

[@GuleGardiner]

Well said!

[@肉骨粉]

Last? I give you two words: Dr. Oz.

[@natwilson9338]

@@肉骨粉 i was about to say the same thing hahaha kellogg is a great example but most certainly not the last

[@iancorybutler]

Yeah, American hucksterism is alive and well. @@肉骨粉

[@animalchin5082]

Homeopathy is still huge and stuff like Humorbalancing goes back to ancient times. I doubt we will ever get truely rid of quacks like JH Kellog.

[@benbrill7828]

I'm amazed at the progression in my perception of Kellog. It went from "funny cereal man didn't like sex" to "he is the reason men in the US are circumsized" to "he has fundamentally shapped the US thinks about food and health"

[@daslynnter9841]

same but i didnt know there were two Kellogg's until this video.

[@ThePixel1983]

And not in a good way...

[@occam7382]

Por que no los tres?

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

what does shapped mean?

[@fernandotorrero779]

​@@SobeCrunkMonster to give shape and or form

[@PakBallandSami]

so you want me to eat toilet paper 4 times a day

[@ChezMAS1190]

It’s part of a healthy diet 24:30

[@rocketterrier]

it'll wipe your innards for you 😂

[@danescott2188]

I could never restrict myself to 4... have you ever tried it deep-fried? Completely addicted now.

[@interstellarsurfer]

As long as it keeps you from touching yourself. 😏

[@bragr_]

My dog supports this message

[@ridley_grace]

the sheer hatred kellogg has for oysters is so funny to me. like its not just that he doesnt like eating them, he hates their existence. which is just really funny to me.

[@suzbone]

I'm the same way about licorice and eggnog. They simply have no right to exist.

[@salamantics]

@@suzbone eggnog is delicious! i'm the same way about shrimp.

[@CarrotConsumer]

I'm the same way about the Dutch.

[@moviemaestro800]

​​@@CarrotConsumer As Jordan Peterson famously said, "If you're Dutch, ask yourself,...why?" I'm pretty sure those are his exact words, and not a ytp. 😉

[@arturocevallossoto5203]

@@suzbone I have really tried to get into licorice but I always fail.

[@Lizbethduchi]

The first known English cookbook, "The Forme of Cury," published circa 1390, has a recipe for almond milk to replace milk during Lent, so I wouldn't say Kellogg invented almond milk. However, it's possible he came to it independently.

[@Nightriser271828]

Yep, I came across almond milk in a recipe for a medieval dish called blancmange, so hearing the claim that Kellogg invented AM made me go, "Wait, what?"

[@Zestrayswede]

And even if Kellogg didn't invent it, he certainly re-popularized it

[@Mis.tresss]

HE DID WHAT TO IT?

[@OscarGomez-hg8cb]

Isn’t “acidophilus” milk, different from the almonds milk that was already known about before though?

[@statistical-cats-sophia]

@@Mis.tresssI wouldn't put it past him tbh

[@brianp3570]

For anyone reading this who has struggled with digestive issues, my condolences, as I have been similarly afflicted for ~15 years. Psyllium husk has been helpful for me keeping things more easily passable after hemorrhoid surgery. Taking it every day is too often for me, 3-5 times per week seems to be better. Figured I'd share in case this helps anyone. Happy pooping y'all

[@chinglamyung]

indeed, psyllium husk is immensely helpful for those with hemorrhoid.

[@realleon2328]

Ive heard that bone broth can help, depending on the kind of gut problems you have

[@InaneBlatherPodcast]

I agree! Regularity with psyllium has honestly made my life slightly easier lol

[@SacredDaturaa]

Not even just if you have digestive issues/hemorrhoids. Psyllium poops do legitimately feel more 'clean'. Most of my poops are "ghost poops" where the first wipe with TP comes away clean or mostly clean.

[@B0ULLIE]

Thanks for this. Think I have a loved one who would love this news

[@jarlbuttonthe3rd]

So, I own a raggly old book from the 1900s titled "Ladies' Guide in Health and Disease (Girlhood, Maidenhood, Wifehood and Motherhood)", and it is WILD. Like, it's insane how these incredibly sexist ideas, things about female hysteria and "female weakness" (that's periods), and how "little girls should be early taught the dignity of housework", they were just considered common and scientific knowledge. And it's just written SO smarmily. Anyway, I've owned the book for years and only just realised that, yup, it's written by J. H. Kellogg, "M.D.". That would explain the, er, obsession with masturbation throughout most of it.

[@capncook2006]

I mean are females not generally hysteric? You've obviously never had a girlfriend if you think so lol

[@JohnSmith-xx9se]

You don't think there's dignity in housework?

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

@@JohnSmith-xx9se That's not what they said, they clearly took issue with the assertion it was the "dignified work of woman" if you want to do the work and be a stay at home father or mother that's being a decent partner depending on what's needed, etc. But me? I personally prefer to split the chores and for both of us to make the money. I'd rather have a partner in all ways then take care of someone. I also want me SO to have the option of working if I die and if you can only show "house wife" on your resume for the last decade it's going to screw you. "John Smith" Bruh, that's the MF that kidnapped a little native girl; if I had that as a username I'd have just kept scrolling rather then asked a insincere question that makes me look kinda dumb for not understanding the OP's intent.

[@Shakedown1969]

@@JohnSmith-xx9sei feel like that is not the point of the whole comment. of course there is dignity to be found in keeping your things well and tidy, but the point is women are allowed to have grander ambitions.

[@flowgangsemaudamartoz7062]

@@JohnSmith-xx9seNot Op's point.

[@hosseynshanbehzaadeh9342]

I'm from Iran and I've never seen almost any of your mentioned products up-close (including any of Kellogg's cereals), yet you make your videos so intersting that I watch some of them several times, although I'm suffering from severe ADHD. Thank you. If I had the option, I would certainly joined your Nebula channel.

[@littleredpony6868]

Just out of curiosity, are breakfast cereals a common item in Iran? Here in the United States Kelloggs cereal is one of the 2 major cereal brands. pretty much every grocery store has them.

[@foca7550]

@@littleredpony6868No, cereal isn’t particularly popular outside of the US. Most people do not eat sweet food for breakfast, if they eat breakfast at all.

[@littleredpony6868]

@@foca7550 alright. There’s non sweet cereal options as well. In the video he shows the Frosted Flakes and corn flakes boxes. The Frosted Flakes being the sugar coated corn flakes and the corn flakes being the unsweetened corn flakes. I bet that John Harvey Kellogg is rolling over in his grave that his company is selling sugar covered corn flakes

[@ultra-papasmurf]

@@foca7550 *the west, the anglosphere and tmk most of europe likes cereal

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@littleredpony6868 Regular corn flakes still taste somewhat sweet, though.

[@Revanaught]

This is something that's been confusing me since the last video. I grew up learning that George Washington Carver invented peanut butter. I finally looked it up and it seems that he's misattributed the invention because he found so many other uses for peanuts, peanut butter just gets lumped in. Wild.

[@eyesofthecervino3366]

This, and I think he figured out how to process it so it wouldn't separate into solids and oil in the jar.

[@nisnast]

Adam Ragusea has a video on George Washington Carver

[@taegotkash]

No it’s true look up American dad great peanut conspiracy

[@FrogsForBreakfast]

It's hard to say what all he invented because he refused to patent most of it. His most important work was actually in crop rotation and soil health, where he made massive contributions that changed the agricultural landscape for the better, but that's not as sexy as peanut butter I guess.

[@kekero540]

Kellogg would’ve become one of those ancient people who gets credited with every idea in their field if he was born in the classical era

[@spoddie]

Dude ... 5 minutes in, it's late and I'm a little bit drunk. I was raised as an Adventist so I'm going to have to watch this totally sober. We had to study "denominational history" when I was a kid and I'm having flash backs already.

[@AskTorin]

Ha! Here in Europe it's only 17:00!! I have more time than you, because that's how time works I'm sure

[@user-ve7hn2dh8h]

​@@AskTorinuhm Europe is like between 5 and 14 hours ahead to America, my friend

[@reshuram4353]

@@user-ve7hn2dh8h So OP probably not in america then.

[@user-ve7hn2dh8h]

@reshuram4353 if op is a former adventist ,it highly likely they're from the US..but you're right, they could be somewhere else now obviously

[@spoddie]

@@user-ve7hn2dh8h Australia. Ellen G White lived in Australia between 1891 and 1900 and there's lots of SDAs.

[@DisapprovalWew]

At first, I was very skeptical of your “Great Man Theory” concerning Kellogg. Until I got sick. Right now I’m going through a pretty bad flu. Stuck in my dorm at college, texting my mom. I told her my symptoms and she told me to “Get something to drink and Eat a granola bar.” My mother was born 30 years after Kellogg’s death. You’re right. This dude really had a lasting impact on American health all by himself.

[@anna-flora999]

"all by himself" so long as you ignore everyone who influenced him and helped him spread his ideas

[@BeyondFables]

I mean, that’s not exactly unsound advice. Hydration and nutrition are genuinely important while sick, you don’t need to be influenced by a quack to believe that

[@becka_tics5166]

As a former Adventist, I’d heard some of this before, but I enjoyed learning a lot more!

[@suzbone]

Congrats on getting out. My sister joined a 7DA congregation a few years ago... she'd never been religious before, but now they've got her believing that evolution is a trick of satan, Noah's ark was real, and demons are everywhere. I'm *beside myself* upset and figure there's pretty much nothing I can do. Any suggestions for something that could help me snap her out of it?

[@gildedpeahen876]

I got out too, cheers

[@BasedFish]

​@@suzboneWell it's obvious you are not a religious person but if she wants to be it's her choice. I myself don't like the 7 day Adventists for obvious reasons but still i believe in God.

[@suzbone]

@@BasedFish I don't mind her God belief; it's all the crazy stuff they've insisted she pick up, that upsets me. I wish she had chosen a less delusional path is all. It's so very unhealthy 😞

[@becka_tics5166]

@@suzbone I’m sorry, but I don’t really have any suggestions for how to help her out of the church. I can tell you, though, that my first step out of the church was when I started learning about cults and how they operate. I started with Jones Town, Heaven’s Gate, and Scientology, then I started learning about Mormons and JWs. Pretty soon, I started to recognize the culty teachings of the SDA church. I could have dug my heels in and stopped myself from questioning the deeper doctrines of the church, but I wanted to learn the truth. I left because I allowed myself to question. Until she starts questioning the things she’s being taught, I worry that your sister will just dig in deeper and there’s not much you can do, unfortunately.

[@azeemtravadi6128]

so wild that so many of these inventions were borderline medically helpful. Like, yeah, laughter and social excersise can really help with mental health. Dietary support is a real part of healthcare in GIT conditions, to a degree. Pool excersise is used in physical therapy to help strengthen muscles. He was so close to actual medical treatment and yet so far

[@MrGksarathy]

That's kind of the case with a ton of homeopathy in general.

[@SplotPublishing]

A lot of his patients did get better, too. I think it's a question of taking yourself too seriously and not having anyone near you who can tell you when you're going too far that you respect enough to listen to. He just spun out there with no one to reel him back in and keep him grounded.

[@thanhavictus]

He's the Alex Jones of health. Say enough bullshit, and so much as one of it sticks, you get to be a prophet.

[@TheWampam]

Also for many sicknesses a treaty being mildly healthy and otherwise harmless was better than the often poisonous experimental drugs the used back then.

[@Mandragara]

I view it as like proto-evidence based medicine. He ran some 'experiments' and noticed some trends in the data and then just extrapolated that into some crazy model. Still the observations were OK

[@scottbuck1572]

As a vegan, I can confirm that I have solved all societal problems and have become immortal

[@lucyferos205]

Can you make vegan portals, too?

[@scottbuck1572]

@@lucyferos205 You know it. I also have the physic powers

[@Erikasoul1-q6n]

@@scottbuck1572Have you become the Avatar?

[@Numba003]

This comment is hilarious 😂. Thank you for this. God bless! ✝️ :)

[@eminempreg]

OK, Todd Ingram.

[@sstrange1973]

Good god - this was mind-blowing! Half the jokes I make today are literally things that John Kellogg taught! You've hit another home run in teaching history.

[@thepatchinatior]

Censuring Kellogg for going after oysters is the most Maryland thing I've ever heard

[@Tinil0]

"Starring Anthony Hopkins, Matthew Broderick, Bridget Fonda, John Cusack, Dana Carvey and Colm Meaney" How have I never heard of The Road to Wellville before?! That's a crazy cast!

[@tepetti]

A little correction: some dairy replacements, like almond milk, are over 1000 years old.

[@cameronfielder4955]

Almond milk is probably actually older than that. I believe I’ve heard it mentioned in ancient culture but I’m too lazy to look into it rn lol

[@TrepidDestiny]

Can confirm. My parents had me circumsised when I went in for surgery as a kid. For seemingly no reason. Like literally no reason. Also, wtf was with Kellogg's OBSESSION with poop?

[@FernandoGonzalez-hu3id]

Remember that word he told you to look for yourself?

[@IsmailofeRegime]

To be fair, if Kellogg thought that the appearance of your feces tells you much about your health, it'd make sense he would focus on that, as gross as it can be.

[@Samstrainss]

​@@IsmailofeRegime well I mean the bristol stool chart is a thing so yeah, the appearance of poop is still used in medicine to this day, he was onto something in terms of the usefullness of this as an observation to make.

[@mariovilas4176]

That’s horrible

[@СтепанХудяков-ю3ж]

I mean, it's practically stated in the video. He had significant problems with his stool since he was a child, so it's probably affected him a lot.

[@JadeyCatgirl99]

Based on the title, I thought this was going to be a short video to accompany your one on vegetarianism. I was very pleasantly surprised that I get a full length Knowing Better video. It always boosts my day when I see a new KB video is out.

[@von7574]

based?

[@ultra-papasmurf]

base /beɪs/ verb past tense: based; past participle: based; adjective: -based 1. use (something specified) as the foundation or starting point for something. "the film is based on a novel by Pat Conroy" @@von7574

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

Agreed, I feel the exact same way!

[@BlueEyedBrunette]

Same! I started it expecting a Short and then it kept going!

[@professionalgrasstoucher8167]

For anyone wondering, the chewing song melody is based on a popular song from 1896 called “A Hot Time in the Old Town” by Theodore Metz and Joe Hayden. I’m not sure if it was actually the melody they would have sung, but at least this is true for the version they use in the movie. Anyway, the original is in the music loops for Main Street USA at both Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom in Disney World. I will forever think about the “chew, chew, chew” lyrics when I hear it.

[@CountGremlin]

I really wish more teachers were like KnowingBetter. Thank you for your educational videos!

[@jamessessions5374]

This video helped me understand my father's (he was born in 1932) and grandparent's obsession with their "BMs". Metamucil and prune juice were staples in my grandparent's home.

[@thepapschmearmd]

Healthy bms are important. If you’ve ever seen a rectal prolapse, you’d make plenty of fiber a staple of your diet too!

[@kaitlyn__L]

⁠@@thepapschmearmdyou can have a high fibre diet without drinking metamucil. Brown bread for your sandwiches and soup with lots of veg in should cover the bases, and even if it doesn’t there’s plenty of breakfast cereals and snack foods that are pretty high in fibre too. Heck the most popular biscuit to go with tea or coffee here is pretty high in fibre, which is why they call them “digestive biscuits”. (They’re basically the same as American sea biscuits AIUI.)

[@Mandragara]

@@kaitlyn__L Fibre-enriched foods make be extremely constipated to the point of bleeding. I don't understand how people drink metamucil and shit well from it.

[@blade7506]

i still see a lot of older ppl buying prune juice 😂

[@elizabetht308]

@@kaitlyn__Las an american i’ve never seen sea biscuits before, but one can find digestives in some places. i live in canada now and they’re much more commonplace here i would say

[@rycolligan]

I trained at an Osteopathic Medical School, which also has it’s founding in the same period of woo thinking you have been covering so thoroughly in these videos and was wondering if you had any plans to cover it as part of this series. No one can beat JH Kellogg for his ludicrous certitude, but Osteopathy’s founder AT Still has his moments.

[@stella-vu8vh]

i want to know so much more about this fella at still

[@handeggchan1057]

In regards to Oysters, I wonder if Kellogg's issue wasn't more to do with the fact they were heavily associated with Oysters houses, which were notorious for prostitution and heavy drinking in the Victorian era all along the east coast - they were and still are considered aphrodisiacs. And ironically, Oysters are among the most vitamin packed foods you can possibly eat

[@TheSpecialJ11]

I imagine they're considered aphrodisiacs because of all the vitamins. All that zinc gets your systems moving.

[@handeggchan1057]

@@TheSpecialJ11 I also think because Oysters kinda look like, well you know.

[@CamelDance]

Having been a patient at a German rehabilitation facility after brain surgery, the Sanatorium is very familiar. Modern German rehabilitation facilities employ a mix of evidence based medicine and psychology, things that according to what I understand don't quite fulfill those requirements but aren't woo either like the *loads* of physiotherapy I did, general wellness stuff like adapted exercise, and outright woo. One of the treatments I got was an 'armbath'- which is an element of the Kneipp water cure (German immaterial heritage!) I doubt there were any lasting positive effects of those armbaths, but they were relaxing enough. Overall I do think it's valuable. You can do a lot more physiotherapy in an in-patient context, and it doubles as a relaxing holiday, which is a good thing after a serious medical treatment like mine and the other people there. It was also the only time I met someone who had the exact same medical issue as me IRL, and it did me a world of good to just be able to talk to her.

[@anna-flora999]

Pretty sure that them being relaxing in itself would be therapeutic benefits. At least for mental health.

[@M0butu]

Not sure about armbaths, but a Kneipp treatment is good to get all the superflous water out of your body. It takes workload off your heart.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@M0butuis that meant to reduce the volume of your blood?

[@trioptimum9027]

@@kaitlyn__L Don't think so, that would be bad. Potentially, if you've got some level of edema, getting rid of that excess fluid could reduce your blood pressure (thus letting your heart work a little less hard) by relieving the pressure around your blood vessels. Randomized clinical trials of Kneipp treatments are pretty ambiguous, and since you can't do blind trials (there is, of course, no such thing as a "placebo bath") it's very hard to tell whether the treatments are doing anything at all, or if patients who have a nice bath and are told it's a special medical bath simply have better outcomes than patients who don't have a nice bath and aren't told anything. I strongly suspect that it's mostly the "nice bath" factor in most cases. Which is fine! As the OP points out, having a nice, relaxing time while recovering from surgery is important! But, you know, take my opinion as seriously as you should take any medical advice found in a youtube comment: not at all.

[@M0butu]

@@kaitlyn__L NO! A Kneipp treatment is more like a DIY lymphatic drainage. It is not as efficient as a drainage, but you can do it as often as you want without much effort.

[@Matatabi6]

All your videos in this series are just making me reflect on the weird stuff my dad would tell me about as a kid, and it’s mostly right. He was obsessed with Kellogg but only how much of a nutter he was I have known about yogurt enemas since I was 10. Cause it seemed insane and stuck with me

[@Matatabi6]

Texted him turns out he read the road to wellville book

[@kathrynradonich3982]

The "your wifes boyfriend" popping up really quick had me cracking up 😂

[@levim9707]

I'm currently a Masters student studying the history of Eugenics in North and South Dakota. Overall I think you hit the mark when discussing the movement! However, there are two points that I think need some clarification. The first is the targets of the eugenics sterilization movement often varied from state to state. Generally women were targeted, but the ethnic background depended heavily. California mostly targeted Mexican Americans and North Carolina African Americans, but others like North Dakota mostly targeted recent white immigrants (Italians, Slavs, and etc.) along with native Americans. The other clarification point you kinda hinted, basically eugenics never really died out fully. World War Two, the horrors of the holocaust, and advancements in science soured the public appetite to it so many eugenicists rebranded to focus on "pronatalism". Basically encouraging the creation "right" type of families and even modern marriage counseling has its roots in eugenics. Check out the books Eugenic Nation by Alexandra Stern or Building a Better Race by Wendy Kline if you're interested in more.

[@SimpleGeekReviews]

Great video...that I already watched on Nebula. BUT STILL GREAT! I support you no matter what. Thanks dude for being like this awesome history teacher.

[@draaaven157]

I was like didn't I see this awhile ago?? I love Nebula, and I am not one to spout about business.

[@headsinger]

I completely forgot I originally watched it on Nebula… I was beginning to wonder if this was a reupload for some reason. 🤣

[@gtbkts]

"No effort November" strikes again!!

[@crestothegecko6279]

@@gtbkts?

[@itsROMPERS...]

I couldn't find this on nebula. The nebula UI sucks.

[@VolcyThoughts]

Spoiler warning: but I’m kinda stoked that the bully lost at the end. Historically we would see the bullies constantly win until something is revealed years after they both died. This didn’t happen here and that’s amazing

[@daytwaqua]

Here's a factoid about John Phillip Sousa that you may not know: His surname was originally spelled "Souza", but due to his love and veneration for the country, he changed it so the last three letters were USA. Anyone familiar with him are probably aware of this fact, but I don't think most people know who he was.

[@mrarmaggedon31415926]

The idea of modern culture being rooted in two periods of cultural shift is fascinating and I would love to see more on it, but so far it seems like a pretty out-there thesis. There might be something to it and I hope you and JJ can collab on a video essay making a case for it, but I think you need to start with firm definitions and clear metrics to make the case

[@trioptimum9027]

Yeah, I couldn't help noticing that the "post-reconstruction period" is defined as 1880-1900 when it's introduced, but then he gives two examples in the 1860s, three in the 1870s, and two examples in 1881. Perhaps he really meant "Reconstruction," and he meant to say "1860-1881" instead... But then this video falls out of the period, since Kellogg's breakfast-cereal-for-the-general-public period doesn't really start until the 1890s, and a number of the key elements don't come together until after the turn of the century. At that point, we've expanded the thesis to cover the period 1860-1906, and... If your thesis is "A lot of 20th/21st Century America comes from the second half of the 19th Century," well, yeah, that's not a huge surprise, is it? We could also look at the negative version of the thesis, which would be something like "surprisingly LITTLE of our culture comes from the rest of that century," or perhaps "1900-1939 and 1960-2000 were culturally less significant." I don't think that version of the thesis holds up at all. Certainly if you consider music an important factor in culture, you've got some 'splaining to do to justify that. Cars are also a significant American cultural artifact, which largely came about in between KB's two periods. The Great Depression and the New Deal had a huge impact. I don't personally rate all that boomer stuff about the 60s all that highly, but yeah, it was certainly a cultural thing. The civil rights movement also happened, or so I have heard. And so forth.

[@edisonlima4647]

​@@trioptimum9027I would say the popularization of circumcision in America into the obsession it is today, the idea of Christmas as we understand today, the founding of almost every single American born Christian religion, the idea that girls should be given dolls and boys balls, the idea that your city has some unique peculiarities etc are not on the same wave length as "which rock songs are still popular".

[@JohahnDiechter]

Most of our current cultural traditions do appear to come from these two periods.

[@sirjmo]

It's very america centric to see it like that though.

[@ten_tego_teges]

@@sirjmo Came for that comment. American leftists rarely recognize how America-centric they are. Yesterday I was reading up on Israel-Palestinian conflict on reddit and the comment thread basically claimed American evangelicals are more influential in pushing West Bank settlement than Israel itself. While Republicans seem convinced americans are uniquely virtuous, Democrats think they are uniquely evil.

[@ariftintime]

Amazing video! I do want to add a note to one item on the list of John Harvey Kellogg's inventions: almond milk had already existed for centuries. For example in a c. 1467 manuscript in the Holkham collection, there's a recipe for "cold mylk of almonde"

[@reesehendricksen1871]

About the great man theory, I like to think of it like waves in the ocean. Each person is their own wave, often they collide or generally don’t interact, though occasionally you get a freak wave. When a series of waves come together to make something massive, its not the one wave that is particularly great, but the circumstances around it. So with John Kellogg, I would say he was better as a conduit for the stupidity of the times rather than some great conniving individual, though he does deserve credit for being the one to get to the top of the wave. We can even see this principle applied with the German view of history. As with Hitler, he took advantage of what was already there, otherwise its to easy for us to ignore the role they played in WWII and the Holocaust. Even the black comedy film, Look Who’s Back, has a similar theme.

[@swayback7375]

YES! It’s only been up an hour and is already in my feed! Your channel is finally getting some of that sweet algo love.

[@thelakeman2538]

22:52 Metchnikoff was also the person credited with the discovery of phagocytosis by our phagocytic immune cells, and was one of if not the biggest name in immunology at the time, so him giving health advice would be carrying a lot of weight at the time I'd assume.

[@realkekz]

I am also of the opinion that the American identity was formed primarily in the late 1800s, in my eyes, it has to do, either intentionally or indirectly, as a result of the Civil War, there was no real concept of the American until the Civil War, before that we were Northerners, Southerners, Westerners, New Yorkers, Texans, Iowans, Anglos, Germans, Dutchmen and countless others, all living in America. Before the Civil War called into question the validity of the American identity, it could only really be applied to the Old Stock Whites who founded the country, which is why the hyphenated American thing was such a big deal. The American identity was meant to supersede nationality, religion, race, etc. And when it didn't, it showed America's inability (perceived or otherwise) to assimilate its immigrants. The war accomplished a couple things, one, it gave everyone in America (or at least the North) something to rally around, two, it increased interaction between states, because we were all fighting the same war, people from different states met each other for the first time, bought products from each other for the first time, shared culture for the first time, and felt like one country for the first time, and the third and most important thing is that it settled the question of secession, once you were an American state, you were American forever onward. This came with several caveats, but it is the foundation of our identity. It should not be a surprise that the American identity is centered around Whites, why Standard American English is Midwestern English, and why for the longest time it excluded Southerners, Blacks, Mexicans, Slavs, Italians, the Irish, and countless others, but the power of the American identity is its ability to expand and assimilate others. It's a double edged sword.

[@CookiesRiot]

It's worth noting that the last surviving children of American slaves and American Civil War soldiers _just died in the 2020s._ This is extremely recent history.

[@darleschickens7106]

Shit...I'd been forming the same theory but from a British perspective. I had noticed that almost everything we consider to be quintessentially "British" dates back to either late Victorian era, or post-WWII. Even our entire image of London, and Londonness, the look and feel of the city and its buildings, and even its borders, boroughs and metropolitan area - they all date either from WWII where they were built following the Nazi bombing campaigns, or if they managed to survive, go back to generally Victorian times, with a small exception being a few buildings that have survived to this day following the 1666 Great Fire (after which the city was re-built in its entirety).

[@rvdb7363]

Same here in the Netherlands. A lot of our traditions developed after the independence of Belgium (1830). When we went from a medium size country tot a small one. Quite a lot of invented history appeared as well. And a lot of how our country functions (health care, social security, workplace protections but also secularisation) is post WWII, especially the 50s and 60s. The exception being legalisation of drugs and prostitution. That was in the 70s

[@Tinil0]

It does track. Both the UK and US were probably the two biggest beneficiaries of the Second Industrial Revolution right there in the late Victorian/Post-reconstruction, and the direction of both countries were MASSIVELY influenced by WW2, with Britain being close to destroyed and the US becoming the "world leader" due to it's lack of destruction.

[@carolinemcgovern4488]

Honestly, this makes sense to me as a British person because yeah, a lot of our Britishness comes from the Victorians or the post-W2 era. Knowing Better and JJ are right even here.

[@marcuswagner1396]

There’s a lot to unpack with this but I think two of the most contributing factors were the avavailbility of cameras. The invention of and the ease of purchase in the postwar boom

[@CaptainNucleus]

Hey KB. I just wanted to let you know that I'm working on an exploration on Bioshock and comparing American culture to the way it is portrayed in Rapture and Columbia. These video essays are a godsend on studying where these character archetypes have appeared in contemporary American culture and these last few essays about the Kelloggs and the Grahams have really opened my eyes to how culturally relevant a lot of really odd movements were, and why they were followed in the context of the game. It will be a long time before I can properly organize my observations, but I do want to note that, truly, you are an inspiration to creators everywhere and a pillar of true American values. Also... I haven't had a place to say it before since this is my first time commenting (i think), but thank you for your military service!

[@Tinil0]

Also, I think the laughter thing is also practiced in Tai Chi. I know my grandmother was a big proponent and I distinctly remember waking up to her doing the "Fake laugh breathing" to relaxing music in the mornings.

[@mamarage7558]

Dude, I got a few sentences into the video set up and had to comment. I've had convos of a similar nature.. current culture being a result of a few impactful eras. I never thought to include that Kellogg health era, and the great cereal wars. I've been following a long time and just wanted to say your vids are still great. Keep it up homie

[@henriklarsson5221]

Yeah that era also saw the war of the currents (between AC/DC and westinghouse-tesla-gang/edison-gang), which i think formed our modern world more then diets. Radio also came into excistence. Etc etc

[@cenobitecenobite7380]

Great video. I remember laughing at Kelloggs masturbation tirades and surprising origin of their cereal in middle school but the actual history is fascinating. Kellogg was truly one of the last great scions of an “overconfident man in a white coat says something smugly and then everyone buys it.”

[@ericbarlow6772]

You know there is a difference between being regular and being unstoppable.

[@wryonion]

As a kid, cereal was huge around here. Most people I knew would only buy Kellogg or only buy Post. You always knew someone who works for each company, and those people always gave out the mini boxes of cereal on Halloween. Hell, we even took the Kellogg tour several times (including school field trips). At the end you’d get a wacky wall walker or some random toy and they’d have an ice cream bar with a bunch of cereal toppings. Think I’ve heard pretty much everything in this video before (here and there), but this is definitely the best overview of Kellogg that I’ve run across. Nice work!

[@badiba79]

“This will be a recurring theme… siiiiiigh…” 🤣 You know what side your bread's buttered on, man.

[@bigmac4470]

I never even knew there were more than one famous Kellogg, let alone anything about all this sibling drama! Also I feel like Kellogg is probably history's great man of small things

[@quetzalthegamer]

I am invariably fascinated by every single one of your videos from the past 3 years. Keep it up, friend.

[@CatsMeowPaw]

You can't imagine how much I enjoy these Knowing Better monologues. Top work as usual.

[@roberttobias547]

Incredible video! My recollections of history courses from kindergarten through college all felt like they glossed over the period of history between the Civil War and The Great Depression/World War II (with occasional nods to the Industrial Revolution & World War I). This is the best context I’ve seen given to how significant a time period this was: all the uncomfortable worldviews from that time and the legacies we are still grappling with today.

[@anonbefallen4807]

KB Casually dropping "And that's why you're circumcised! :D" in the first 10 minutes is wild

[@efjay3183]

What an amazing tale. It’s got everything from brotherly betrayal over breakfast cereal to mad kings of indigestion.

[@acholouscognoscente]

I appreciate all your hard work.

[@clivematthews95]

Knowing Better you’re wonderful at story telling. This content emphasizes that “truth is stranger than fiction” 🙏🏾❤️

[@corynnyoung8445]

You could not make this stuff up, I would never think to be this creative

[@von7574]

nowing bettor?

[@felman87]

6:00 "It was spiritual, rather than physical." History repeats itself. Remember Harold Camping? He's the one who insisted the world was going to end and Jesus was coming back on May 21st of 2011. (Miller said March 21st) Then he said something did happen but it was a spiritual one, with the physical happening on October 21st of 2011 (Miller had October 22nd. I'm guessing when March 22nd rolled around and people asked why nothing happened, Miller said that the real date was 7 months from then.).

[@drtaverner]

16:49 That laughter thing is a great diaphragm exercise you'll find in vocal training as well.

[@moviemaestro800]

You will rarely attend a choir rehearsal where that isn't one of the warmup exercises.

[@TeamIzlude]

Easily the highest quality educational content on this site. Really appreciate it, KB

[@krimzon7622]

Unnamed Third Religion sounds much cooler than it should be. Could even be a band name.

[@TheMntnG]

which is it?

[@KnowledgeIsRandom]

@@TheMntnG Most probably the Seventh Day Adventist Church

[@EdenElectorate]

Didnt they start 3 years later @@KnowledgeIsRandom ?

[@KnowledgeIsRandom]

@@EdenElectorate I mean, he's been hinting about them for a while now, and it kinda makes sense as Kellogg was an SDA.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

​@@EdenElectorate yrs, that's right. Who on earth us he talking about?

[@aDreamComeQ]

If you unintentionally joined in the laughter yoga, just know that you're not alone.

[@letsgowhereeaglesdare363]

One of my favorite storytellers. Always makes my day when a new vid drops.

[@KnowingBetter]

🤮

[@Murad_el-Kaffas]

​@@KnowingBetter?

[@niyo919]

​@@KnowingBetter?

[@lanelentine5104]

@@KnowingBetter Kinda rude 😅

[@FosukeLordOfError]

Agree

[@katyb6009]

i wrote an essay about the history of vegetarianism for a class in college, and as part of it i made a 1920s recipe for “protose salad.” it was basically just cut up protose with celery, carrots, onions, mayo and cream, kinda like a tuna or chicken salad. predictably it was pretty disgusting, and im surprised my friends still talk to me after i had them be my taste testers for it 😂

[@cynthmcgpoet]

Now I understand why my grandmother, who raised me, was obsessed with my bowel movements so much that she followed Dr. Kellogg's advice. That's all the TMI you need.

[@BenevoIence]

I shall be waiting patiently for the next banger to drop

[@JohnnyChronic18]

Omg this made my day seeing a new video from you. Gonna bookmark and enjoy it tonight. You my friend are awesome.

[@sld1776]

This is some of your best work yet. Congratulations, man.

[@FrankieProkop]

FINALLY! THE KNOWING BETTER JOHN HARVEY KELLOGG VIDEO!

[@jz1528]

*Me today: they don’t need all these microwave stuff, not enough real food* *Me if it was 1900: these Kellogg’s are the devil I tell you, what was wrong with corn meal and real food like pig’s feet?*

[@talaf6616]

It so funny how so many of these people were against sex and masturbation and someone like Kellogg was one of like 9 children in his family

[@Johnny_T779]

That's what happens when you go all the way each time you want pleasure instead of masturbating, and without contraception 😅. Jokes about Catholic families, Monty Python song "every sperm is sacred"... Yeah.

[@emilfalk561]

consistently one of the only channels I can watch a full one hour video in one sittingm without even doing something else (on a wooden chair)

[@Pingviinimursu]

Perfect timing, KB! Came home from work, did some cleaning and chilled a bit on the couch before cooking. And what do I see? I don't know yet, but looks like another banger 😊

[@killval849]

I love the posters and aesthetic you got going on for every video, it's definitely really cool.

[@wesleyhargis5115]

I know this has been out for a bit but if you're reading this KB then i want you to know I cited these videos on a cruise trivia in arguing with my team that corn flakes wasn't the first cereal. We still got it wrong because the answer the cruise gave was granola but I argued that grape nuts is just ground up granola. To me that's splitting hairs. But when I explained to my team how long I had watched the story of cereal and Kellogg I was informed that I clearly have no life. But that's OK, because you don't win trivia contests by not studying obscure facts 😂

[@bradx3827]

“And zats how I lost my medical license *laughter” - John Harvey Kel- Medic TF2

[@cfv7461]

to be fair, 91 years was quite the milestone for that time

[@KarolOfGutovo]

11:10 more like a college student complaining that their supposed ramen is actually raw noodles that don't get edible with 2-3 minutes of sitting in hot water but need to be boiled for almost ten times that amount of time.

[@xBris]

34:05 - spoken through a *very* western lens. Soy milk is multiple Millennia old (which, I know, *technically* is "more than a century" ;))

[@erraticonteuse]

Even in the West, almond milk was actually pretty common in medieval Europe. Turns out there was a lot of Pope-mandated veganism back in the day.

[@L83467]

this. I still found the video interesting but i dont believe the kelloggs had as big an influence on society as he claims

[@anna-flora999]

Honestly this video for me disproves great man history more than it proves. Because there wasn't just one great man. Several important ones yes, but not one above all

[@angelmarauder5647]

I think singling out or choosing a handful of people is due to our limited minds. The fact of all history is that large creations are done by a large amount of people. A single person working on their own to create something Grand does not happen. Instead, the underlings work to create under a lead for which the lead gains all Fame and Fortune. Talking modern megacorporately: Jeff bezos did not make Amazon. Elon musk did not make Tesla. Steve Jobs did not make apple. All the big tech companies were made by advanced cutting edge engineers who worked together to make Grand projects come to fruition. They are rewarded with a few hundred thousand dollars and a kick in the butt on their way out.

[@christopherjustice6411]

I play this video game called “Out Of The Park Baseball” and as a reference to Kellogg I always include a minor league team called “The Battle Creek Wheat Kings.”

[@Simbersanders]

To be fair, your grandmother might be right. In critically ill patients bowel function or lack there off can be a pretty good predictor of clinical outcomes

[@anormalcat6253]

Woke up to a Knowing Better video. Life is good.

[@joemency2242]

6:11 just to let you know. They are called Seventh Day Adventist because they worship on the Seventh day of the week (Saturday) and believe it to be holy. I mean the Adventist part is because they believe that the end times will happen any day now, but at least I never heard anything about us being in the seventh and final day when I was an adventist.

[@joaovitormatos8147]

"Just so you know" guy made a 3-hour video on the SDA, he 1000% knows that by now

[@KyleHohn]

Love this, KB always making the best history videos on KZbin

[@NighttimeNubbs]

Paused 13 minutes in to watched the Vegetarian episode and came back to deja vu with the Sanitarium bit.

[@Hotshot2k4]

Wait, people really chew that much? I don't know how much I chew exactly, but it seems sufficient to swallow food comfortably, and savor the taste, but without turning it into mush and having it just roll down my throat or whatever.

[@acholouscognoscente]

Thanks!

[@iivin4233]

The opening statement is often true of other countries as well. So many traditional foods and fondly remembered figures, sources of irridentism, on every continent come from the 1500s at the latest. There is a small clique of guests from all the years before and then an increasingly crowded and rowdy party of all the cultural staples that originate after that rough time.

[@CelestialAnamoly]

Passing through telling all my favorite KZbinrs how much I appreciate them! Thank you!

[@josjos-x5s]

As some one who isn't american, american history always comes off as cultish. For a country about individuality and anti-monarchism, its history is weirdly tied to worshiping a person who plays off that they know more than they do, leading to vast oppression and suffering.

[@poyo1272]

As someone who is American, you are correct

[@crazyeyeskillah]

The Westerners that colonised America were mostly from a Christian cult so it makes sense.

[@vanyasmith1125]

The only thing I could possibly question is your comment about staying "regular." My GP said a large percentage or most women struggle with constipation, so all of the adverts about "regularity" are meant to be a polite way to talk about that. He said it isn't at all uncommon for women to need to take something like metamucil or miralax daily in order to make things work appropriately. While I am sure the weird auto-intoxication stuff plays a role, I would imagine that it could have been the pre-existing observation that a large amount of women genuinely need digestive aides. Regardless, I absolutely love your videos and am always excited for the next!

[@tyronejoshua1613]

You know this video is gonna be 🔥 cause it's been a while

[@diggs5518]

Wow! Dude, that was a LOT of research you did. Well done, sir. Well done.

[@robertperez5979]

This year I'm thankful for a Knowing Better video but I'm so thankful for you for deconstructing the American Myth as much as you do you're like the history teacher I never had and to add a note this will definitely put a dent in the Thanksgiving dinner haha

[@tiraXpyrrha]

26:06 Are you tellling that John Harvey Kellogg supposedly taught a wolf to eat tofu? I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST A FUTURAMA JOKE!

[@zeanamush]

Nut milks are actually Centruries old and where frequently made where dairy was unavailable.

[@erzsebetkovacs2527]

Dairy was available to medieval Western people, but for some reason, their elites preferred almond milk.

[@L83467]

yeah, like almond milk was consumed in the middle ages in europe

[@GhengisJohn]

The protestants were like: "I sure do hate those Catholics!... But that Christmas _does_ look like a pretty nice time actually..."

[@EnderPryde]

One *small* correction I want to give for KB is Kellogg's asexuality. Asexuality is a broad spectrum that ranges from sex-repulsed, to sex-neutral, to 'greysexual' (only experiences sexual attraction with people they've formed deep emotional bonds with) and dozens of other more specific presentations. Kellogg having a specific kink is not necessarily definitive for being declared "not an asexual" because it's a pretty common meme in the Ace Community that we're some of the kinkiest people out there, we just don't engage with the sex aspect of kink.

[@binaryrainbows]

i *am* going to eat a bowl of cornflakes while watching this but i am going to put so much brown sugar on them that kellogg cries at least a bit

[@boopydoopy4506]

Any day a KB video comes out is a good day