What Should Your First AR Optic Be? M&P Series pt. 2

Do you always comment about how great of a rifle your budget build is compared to an "expensive" rifle, brand name company? This series is for you. We will upload weekly upgrades and results of all the aftermarket goodness that comes with buying your first AR-15 and the mad dash to assemble a "badass" rifle and see if it competes with something "higher end." This time we are looking at Optics, specifically the Red Dot.

[@BlazingGunner]

1st AR15 was a Ruger 556 after doing all the upgrades sold it bought a Geissele automatics super duty rifle - ddc - 14.5 pinned and welded put a Micro T-2 Red Dot I love this setup

[@juliancuevas6728]

For furniture I would consider an MOE Fixed or adjustable Carbine Stock, A Magpul MIAD grip, and a Daniel Defense FSP RIS II. If you change the gas block to one that does not have a front sight, then I would say use a Daniel Defense RIS II. I know that M-LOK and KeyMod slick rails are seen as the better rail options over 1913 styled rails but a 1913 quad rail gives a new shooter a complete layout for attachments on their rifle while also eliminating the decision making the user has to do when choosing mounting options and fiddling with those mounting options when attaching their accessories. A DD full quad rail also gives the user a rail system that will move along with them, if they choose to bring the rail, as they get more expensive rifles.

[@chrisdelisle6956]

I honestly like my vortex storm 2

[@cultistpriest1872]

Was looking for a nice scope for my M&P for sure getting the T2 red dot thanks!!

[@wadestidham8991]

I just bought the sport 2 optic ready it has the crimson trace red and green dot

[@michaelhorn4540]

I have a crimson trace, if it's good enough from the factory, it's good enough for me

[@MM4X453]

I love my MRO

[@tygonrow]

snickelfrits was from a old black and white movie the name of the mouse they raced in the german prison also in the pot movie i think william holden was the big actor

[@nickdelasalas8975]

Geissele all the things

[@AlfonsFromAtech]

ALG EMR V3 15inch

[@michaelmorr4403]

The reason why people like myself buy the MP is because of value. Cheap and solid. Obviosily most purchasers of such a product cant afford a $400-600 optic.

[@KN-zf7yj]

More?

[@tyrianfan]

Magpul CTR stock

[@davidsherwen5245]

Take a piece of plexiglass and a red marker and you got a. That's red and then mount it to your rifle .

[@TrackSol]

Midwest Industries 15" quad rail

[@FourGuysGuns]

DED

[@TrinityHealth215]

1st upgrade I did was a Midwest Industry carbine quad hand rail. I've since switched to a 13" Geissele Super Module MK4. My son is now rocking the Midwest and won't switch it out for nothing.

[@FourGuysGuns]

Benjamin Carnes it’s not a joke. MI makes good stuff but a 15” quadrail is something NO one needs and Midwest has one of the most affordable is all

[@TrackSol]

FourGuysGuns I'll stick to my BCM KMR magnesium

[@thecocooreo]

EOTech HWS for CQB out to 300 yards with a 36 yard zero .... done!

[@Highway9mm]

Dismantling the M&P gas block and barrel nut is a pain in the dick. I'd vote MI 2 piece drop in handguard, obviously carbine length w/ mlok, Magpul k2 grip and MFT stock.

[@linkmiles1235]

UTG pro hand guard made in merica

[@leroyatleroys]

After I saw a Holosun literally get shot and still run, I realized that they optics game is not the same scene we had in 2005. The only thing most companies like Trijicon and Aimpoint have these days is that they are "proven". But all it takes is time for newer companies to "prove" that their designs can compete. In the next decade, Trijicon, Aimpoint, Eotech, etc. won't be able to justify optics over 200 bucks since the standards are changing. Not bashing using higher priced optics. It is just natural for industry standards and prices to change over time. Red dots are no exception.

[@Catgat37]

Holosun is definitely a decent optic. Will probably be putting one on my new mp 15 sport 2. Already got a 507K that will be going on a Glock 48 mos

[@Carnerd101]

I'd say go w/ that Romeo 5 at first. When you're ready to upgrade, go w/ the LPVO or ACOG.

[@ianthomas3653]

I like this series, and i think you'll end up spending just as much if not more money making this rifle compete with a "super high end" rifle. I assume this series is mainly focused on newer shooters, or people new to AR's, and i mostly agree with what you say about buy once cry once, but consider this: Buying a cheap rifle and assembling the goodies as you go allows you to get into it and start shooting BEFORE spending $3,000. Lets face it a very small % of the people who own these rifles can run them well enough for it to matter if it has all the best gadgets. Personally I don't have the skill for it to matter, and doubt i would see much of a difference in MY performance between a Daniel Defense and a M&P (optics aside). As far as "building it the way you want it", I again doubt very much someone just getting into it really knows what they want. I say buy a cheap gun and run it until it limits your abilities.

[@SnarkyPosters]

9:11 "...not that much heavier. I mean we're talking grams." Yea, a whole bunch of them. T1 around 4oz (113g) ACO 10.6oz (301g)

[@FourGuysGuns]

SnarkyPosters 100 feathers versus 300 feathers lol

[@SnarkyPosters]

@@FourGuysGuns At almost two and a half times more, the weight difference is more then you let on.

[@FourGuysGuns]

SnarkyPosters most people have a hard time Justifying 200% cost for 200% decrease weight alone when it’s grams is the opinion

[@SnarkyPosters]

@@FourGuysGuns Ohh... I agree on the price vs weight delta with the Aimpoints. It's half the cost but twice plus the weight. It's just you shouldn't minimize the weight difference so much.

[@FourGuysGuns]

SnarkyPosters my man. There’s people in this thread rationalizing a Holosun versus an Aimpoint because $50 difference. I do not disagree with you, just look at the audience and see if they actually care since we are already haggling $50 lol I would t-1 and t-2 all the things but a gym membership is less expensive for 200 grams lol

[@sbrew65]

What were the 3 red dots he mentioned?

[@pinoy413]

This channel is so underrated. Seriously. Thanks for the content!

[@FourGuysGuns]

Paul Solver thank you

[@Namesi]

OH FUCK. I NEED TO DO ME SOME BOAR HUNTING.

[@77kthomas]

Why do I have a hard time finding rails for this gun atleast a 15 inch quad rail? Where to look?

[@ryanpeck3377]

77kthomas 10 years ago there was all kinds of drop in rails, but since most people go free float people stopped selling them.... if you want a 15” rail there are none that will fit without major work...(remove or chop front sight, remove delta ring and barrel nut etc).... you can look for a 7 inch drop in but not many available

[@Sam_Holladay]

It’s not pot weed!!! It’s tweed.

[@countyman222]

I love my drop in UTG slim mlok handguard. It gives me the advantages of a free float hand guard with accessories without the extra work.

[@aholegunner]

UTG is my favorite low budget but high quality AR assessory company. I love em. Ive bought their Stocks, Rails/HandGuards, and I recently bought a AR Carry Handle and I love it and all my utg stuff!!

[@murphykenji]

A fighting rifle needs good sights to assist accuracy, reliable magazines, a sling for retaining the rifle and possibly as a shooting aid, and a white light for identifying targets in the dark. A sling and a white light should be closer to the top of the upgrade list. A flashlight doesn't have to cost $300 but it should be shock resistant, lightweight, be light enough, be positioned where it is easy to actuate and doesn't occupy a bunch of the handguard, and have momentary press actuation. A two point quick adjustable sling like the Ferro Concepts slingster or the Ares Armor Amentum / Husky sling retain the rifle when you transition to the pistol and can be used as a shooting aid. I do think that starting with a midlength gas system is better and doesn't cost significantly more.

[@deesminutemansupplywarhamm6078]

Primary Arms...

[@USMC_LAterZ]

Get a 15.4 inch quad rail so it can mimick the MK18 when you add that socom rc2 on it.

[@Namesi]

More comment for the KZbin algos.

[@NebulousCat]

I have an Aimpoint H-1 and one of the settings did not work correctly and had to send it back for repair, also the rubber in the battery cap dried out and the dot would blind off. Had to replace the cap to get it working again. I now use Holosun with the auto awake and sleep, love it!

[@jasonsims9680]

I took off the A2 style front sight and hand guards and Delta ring for a free float 15" mlok. Doing this lessens tension on the barrel for more accuracy. But I'm sure you already knew that.

[@DevildogDevildog-ko1ej]

Upgraded the sight on my Ruger AR-556 to an old school A-2 carry handle. I love the clasic look. No ragrets

[@arod919721]

No Regerts bro.... Not one letter.

[@SamFisher1957]

In 2019 name brand budget optics work great, they just don't have crazy long battery life unless its halosun. I put a Spark ar on mine just because its just as good and got ammo instead because shooting its more fun than spending money. In the end i used the sport 2 for home defense but sense replaced it with a ddm4v7 a rifle i would spend money to outfit with high end parts and use the sport 2 as a back up rifle.

[@BriarPatch_22]

Go with a BCM or Aero Precision handrail

[@RockCh4lk]

Is the Sig Romeo good enough for my Ruger 556 freedom rifle? I'll probably have six or fewer range visits per year.

[@shadowteamoutdoors8746]

15 inch mlok hand guard from midwest Industries

[@thalo215]

"Stop being poor. Buy more money." Is H&K writing this script?

[@FourGuysGuns]

lol

[@Catgat37]

I got my P30l for less than a long slide Glock lol.

[@SnarkyPosters]

11:37 Snicklefritz was in "Stalag 17"

[@Sanctified_Leather]

BCM Upper 👍

[@Quilldoe]

Great videos! can’t wait to see the next set of upgrades.

[@shockwavemikey64]

Big 3 are trigger, optic and rail (fits the carbine length) for a light to identify your target should you need to give them some lead.

[@walkerburt8814]

Do either a bcm mcmr or a Midwest industries combat rail.

[@Sanctified_Leather]

BCM 👍

[@ratherbewargaming3753]

You should do a 15” inch quad rail from Midwest Industries.....

[@coolbeans6148]

Your plaid sleeves made me sub All hail plaid!

[@Sanctified_Leather]

Nice Review , But A Holosun will do just fine on a M&P Sport 11 . ! I love mine, and it's Auto On/Off is Amazing and the Circle Dot is Sweet and the Battery Life is Way longer then Aimpoint . Never busted mine yet , and "Travis Haley" uses them and recommends them so I'm Good with that !!! And I'll Trust Travis Haley More Then any Mall Ninja I love Aimpoint and Trijicons and I know they are Beyond Battle proven and I Use them Both , But the Holosuns are hard to beat for well under $300 . But your choice for this build is a Sweet Choice .

[@FourGuysGuns]

The newer Holos definitely are worth it... but what if i told you the ACO was only $50 more and its an AIMPOINT... buy once cry once for me.

[@Sanctified_Leather]

@@FourGuysGuns absolutely agree with you , and my Gunnery Seargant would approve!!! I love my Triji`s and Aimpoints . But these new Holo`s are pretty darn sweet and tough , But I Agree who can Compete with a Proven Track Record . Awsome series and Video Four Guys 👍🇺🇸

[@fueledbydanny]

I went for a BCM M-lok rail with my M&P project. very happy.

[@thorsenst]

If you want to keep the front sight base the Troy Delta rail is a good option for a lot less weight than the DD rail. If you want a quad rail then Troy also has a the Charlie rail but I don't know if there's any weight savings over the DD rail, and the DD rail definitely has a stronger mounting interface with the rifle. For furniture I prefer BCM stocks and Magpul grips. I'm weird that way.

[@Lordingish]

Is this where I say NcStar 15" keymod handguard and get stabbed?

[@chrism5086]

Sig Romeo4t competes very well with Aimpoint and Trijicon and comes in the $400 to $500 range. At least worth considering

[@FitnFire]

Magpul furniture/handguard vs Geissele/ALG

[@Sanctified_Leather]

Geissele All the Way Fit`n Fire 👍

[@ianmckenzie4043]

I want tactical flannel too! Lol

[@TrinityHealth215]

I've ran Vortex, Holosun, Aimpoint, but once I ran EoTech XPS3 I'll never go back in regards to CQB optics. As far as going out past 300 yards nothing for me beats Primary Arms 1-8 ACSS. Thank you for this video!

[@deesminutemansupplywarhamm6078]

Challenge. Test the Holosun 503G

[@rman713]

If you want to shut down everyone who said “get a 15” Midwest industries rail” ... try this thing out: www.impactweaponscomponents.com/product/tmc-scout-light-mount-n-slot/

[@andrewbarber7827]

I'm looking forward to seeing this series continue. I bought an MP 15 last fall for my first AR and I have been looking to make some changes to the "furniture" specifically the handguard but I haven't completely decided on what to get.

[@kevinelliott9679]

Try the Clark Customs Gen 2 Carbon Fiber FF tube, or the Faxon carbon fiber forend, keep the gun light.

[@patriotdefensegear]

Haha if they outlaw red dots, cheapthandirt will sell them for $3000. Everyone remembers a price gouger

[@FourGuysGuns]

Patriot Defense Gear never forget

[@mozzberg590]

Lovin my Altama OTB shoes too, thanks guys.

[@TheGunecologist]

m4a1 fsp rail interface system (ris) ii

[@TheGunecologist]

by DD

[@Hudson4426]

My rifle came with an EOTech 512 and ive always been happy with it... I’m not doing ops in the Arctic.. I’m raiding the ice box at 2am

[@jessitaylor4170]

Well what about BCM furniture.

[@croxxhairs]

If you're gonna do that I'd say you might as well build a rifle

[@FourGuysGuns]

@@croxxhairs hahahahhahaha so... changing a grip, and bus stock and a rail... equals building a whole rifle??? someone take this man's credit cards lol JESUS. Why buy new tires, just buy a whole car kit!

[@croxxhairs]

@@FourGuysGuns BCM is a pretty credible AR platform for building your own rifles. Sure get some magpul furniture and whatnot. But full flex and build a BCM rifle.

[@croxxhairs]

@@FourGuysGuns and I did not say swapping grips or any stock furniture with aftermarket furniture = a built rifle. It's just swapping out furniture.

[@kylekubiak3709]

BCI Defense MLOK rail

[@jordiberrett]

What about the hollersun?

[@xnorcal831x]

But you need to run a quad rail with a 6 cell mag lit up front. It puts hair on your chest lol its how most operators get such huge arms

[@deathdler8226]

15in quad rail!!!

[@BluAnimal]

7.25” quad rail from Midwest Industries.

[@gunfreak9mm]

I think someone blacked out the front part of your flannel, anyways nice video.

[@paulparadis66]

At least you're not pushing Holosun shit like the other ShillTube channels.

[@project86xero]

Unless you really want to take the front sight post/gass block off I'd look at the FAB defense forends. They have a tight fit with the delta rings and come with picotiny rails for angled/vertical grips as well as for lights at 3-6. Otherwise I like the bcm mcmr. Also the Magpul str is an awesome stock and their K2 grip is the best.

[@buffalobmf]

just get yourself a sig romeo 5 its not too expensive and is durable enough for everyones day to day plus more so and its dead on. assuming you want no zoom

[@FourGuysGuns]

john russo seen 3 break.

[@buffalobmf]

@@FourGuysGuns lol and i seen a few trijicons break, everything will break doesnt matter what you buy. my romeo 5 hasnt had a issue since i got it a few yrs back

[@grizzlybear383]

Best part of the video is that tactical flannel !! Where do I get it !!

[@eternalstudent11]

Are you guys gonna put in a different barrel? Something heavier, shorter, etc...?

[@P1015532oni]

Primary Arms 1x prism ( Cyclops) for me. My astigmatism makes a 2MOA dot look like an asterisk and a furry apostrophe had a baby... and becomes 8MOA.

[@DZ4295DBW]

13 inch Geissele Mk.8 or BCM MCMR handguard would be a great addition.

[@j.m.8193]

Well that's just like your opinion, man.

[@robb9130]

Guess you didn’t see the abuse MAC put the Romeo 5 through.

[@davidsherwen5245]

I have a completely stupid comment.

[@FourGuysGuns]

David Sherwen this made me lol

[@mlevans066]

I’ve broken my T1 and Aimpoint did me right. Also I got a RIS 2 quad... fight me WAHLBERG!

[@FourGuysGuns]

M.L. Evans hahaha

[@lreed31]

I thought you were changing the handguard next, what happen to that?

[@Slopes_N_Singletrack]

Do a Samson MFG Evolution EX 7 hand guard.

[@pyzik200]

13.5" cross machine tool HDX rail.

[@apb2887]

Go with a 15" quad rail from Midwest Industries. Jokes aside I really like my Geissele rails, super quality

[@linkmiles1235]

UTG pro

[@dragonlordojutai]

Light, optic, sling.

[@XxLeggZxX]

B5 Bravo stock, BCM gunfighter pistol grip, midwest industries combat rail carbine length.

[@randomchaos606]

Well if you bought an m&p you're obviously on a budget. Why not holosun? And spend that savings on new internals since you are already experiencing issues

[@Absdrakt]

AR15 ATLAS R-ONE M-LOK Handguard

[@EverydayGentsEDC]

CTR/B5/Vltor stock, Knights RAS/Troy/Midwest 7” rail, K2/BCM/B5 grip

[@matthewpeck4016]

I recently built my first AR, mutt, total of ~1500 including optic. It's a Vortex Sparc II (2moa). Aside from the massive glue herpe on the inside of barrel, it seems to work fine, but I've not used any other non-magnifying optic. I certainly understand the 50-100% weapon price rubric for optics, but talk to me about Every Man devices. Regardless, I love the channel. Stay fat, Fatboy, I feel relatable :huggsies: :can't-huggies-arms-can't-reach-all-the-way-around: :fist-bump: :missed-fist-bump: :acknowledgement of whiteness: :belt-hike: :coffee?:

[@patriotdefensegear]

Furniture, I say go Magpul SL Kit in sand!

[@SamFisher1957]

Did the same thing in od hate the handgaurd it came loose only after a few mags.

[@patriotdefensegear]

Sam Fisher that’s weird. Something sounds like it wasn’t installed correctly because the tension in the delta pack and then the Handguard plate on the A2 sight keeps everything in place stupid tight.

[@SamFisher1957]

I know right. It was stupid tight but there are burn/melt marks on the handgaurd. It's more annoying than any thing else.

[@patriotdefensegear]

Sam Fisher hmmm, I’m lost and have no clue! That makes no sense

[@Namesi]

_Idiocracy_ references are good for society.

[@dr.stormagedon3696]

Bolt a pistol grip to the 9 o’clock position on the rail and run it like a boss.

[@USMCRabbit]

I feel like this video can be summed up in 1 sentence: buy once, cry once.

[@EdwardZhou_TJOL56]

Magpul/BCM grip, b5/magpul/BCM stock, BCM handguard

[@jasongrant-reviews7247]

I would just ad a Glock19

[@bishopm4401]

My suggestion for next episode: a weapon light!

[@lukeh9199]

I'm a fan of the Atibal MROC, solid competition for the all expensive ACOG

[@robertmurray1656]

Finally!!!!!