LIVE | Apple River stabbing trial: Nicolae Miu - Day 4

[@33donnally]

My main problem with Madison Coen is the fact that after seeing several of her friends being stabbed, one of them being literally disemboweled, the first thing she says to police is that SHE had been punched in the face! It’s unbelievable! Everyone else is worried about getting help to the victims as soon as possible, and she is crying about herself!

[@Ararechan74]

No, this makes sense since that's what happened first and law enforcement would ask how SHE was involved in this scenario

[@Rae12155]

I believe that’s probably why we haven’t seen her. I had thought this exact thing. Immediately as the police arrive all she can say “I got punched in the face” I thought to myself heifer, I want to punch you myself. Even dude behind her is stabbed and he is screaming for them to go help the other people. Damn I wish she would never walked over to the group of buys (trying to help eye roll 🙄) she literally thru the match… (figuratively speaking) Now i don’t blame her 100 percent but with her being so arrogant it’s hard not shift a little fault towards her part. I’m not going to lie though, I’m getting really bad vibes from the defendant. Something is definitely off. It’s been a long time since I’ve been this invested in the outcome of this trial. My opinion goes back and forth and I don’t think anybody at this point could know what the outcome will be. My heart breaks for Isaac and his mama. The whole situation is so stupid and not worth anybody’s life.

[@PneumaNoose]

@@Ararechan74I totally agree. I think Miu was well within his right to defend himself, but even I know that’s just normal police procedure.

[@33donnally]

@@Ararechan74 I’m talking about the video where they exit the water and see the first set of officers. Everyone else immediately tries to alert the officers that there are 2 people who have been gravely injured. Their first priority was getting their friends help. One of them had even been stabbed as well, but he was worried about saving the life of his friends instead of his own well being. Meanwhile, Madison‘s first priority was making sure the officers knew what happened to her! Her friend was literally holding his intestines in hands, but hey that’s nothing compared to what Madison went through.

[@who_asked_U_24]

​@@Ararechan74NO That doesn't make sense. The teenagers she claimed to be attempting to defend and members of her own group were injured and bleeding out, her concern didn't fall on them at that time, she wasn't in need of emergency attention, you didn't hear her say OMG, GET YOUR F*^KN AZZ down the river and help my friends and the teenagers, NO, but you did hear her "he hit me in the face" that's a clear indication she's been in trouble making 💩 before and she knows to create a reason why, to save HER azz for being the 2nd biggest instigating idiotic. Her and Jawahn should be brought up on charges.

[@daphers25]

I hate when the camera man, instead of showing us the video evidence, just films the witness watching it. Like, dude we wanna see it as well

[@BjBeam]

They might have an order from the judge not to broadcast graphic images like the knife wounds.

[@Mizz_Vee]

Thank you!

[@Mizz_Vee]

​@mazurbeam The judge gave the greenlight to show it all day one.

[@lycabl9744]

@@BjBeam But they had already done it.

[@Rainbow-m3w]

Bully cameraman. Zooming in on h I m is rude and harassing, imo.

[@PneumaNoose]

23:16 oops! He wasn’t the initiator, precisely why “Madi” didn’t want to be shown on camera because she started the physical assault by pushing and grabbing Miu. It was escalating and had he not started defending himself, the mob mentality would’ve kept escalating into 13 people drowning and beating an old man to death. It goes from screaming to holding him down in the water. Any sane person can deduce things are getting worse as time goes on and they need to fight for their live. #NOTguilty

[@Sonogirl]

Agree. I think her not wanting to be shown is very telling. She had no business to insert herself.

[@paulab303]

Interesting how Dantes group claim to have moved in to help calm things down but actually responsible for escalated the incident and the individual AJ who "never fights" pushed the suspect back into the water to"keep him down". The video is the best evidence for the defense and thank goodness for it. Most of the witnesses have lied based on the evidence.

[@PneumaNoose]

@@paulab303 yes! My favorite parts from AJ’s testimony was when he claims he learned how to hold people down from working with elementary school kids (lol WTF?) and how he claims it was Miu (whilst down in the water) placed himself in front of his push. How ironic considering it was AJ’s lunge when face to face with Miu that caused him to get eviscerated (after holding Miu face first into the water, mind you). AJ was by far the worst liar of them all and they clearly corroborated their story. The claim the teens called for “help” all the way down to their role in giving that “help”.

[@lycabl9744]

Did we watch the same trial? 13 people beating and holding him down trying to drown him. You're as big a drama queen as Miu is!

[@karenbersch8291]

Has everyone forgot when he first touch any of them ? He charged their tubes and grabbed their legs from the beginning.

[@drintx5734]

Funny when anyone calls the drunken and high teenagers who are screaming and yelling obscenities ’children’ 😂

[@jillfurman8904]

These men insighted a right. They presented themselves as a gang. JAWAHN needs to be held accountable for his verbal bulluing. These are men, not children.

[@TreeCooper]

@@jillfurman8904 Verbal bullying lol This world so soft.

[@KTD1988]

They thought it was funny until it wasn’t

[@KTD1988]

@@TreeCoopercalling someone a raper, pedophile is not soft. That is exactly what incited the whole mob

[@TreeCooper]

@@KTD1988 And he thought it was funny until the jury said guilty on all counts.

[@gaylehudson7267]

When the victim of 13 bullies dies, they call it an altercation, and everyone goes home for ice-cream. When the victim of 13 drunken bullies defends himself, It is a trial for murder. Always in Minnesota.

[@kimbok5971]

He's not a victim. He should've left the area immediately and went back to his friends. The only thing the teens were guilty of was acting like assholes; Mui is guilty of murder.

[@jennifervangorder2474]

Liberal D.A.s The Soros plan

[@jennifervangorder2474]

​@kimbok5971 the teens escalated the situation, taunted the older man and then others got involved. The man was KICKED in the face when he was on his ass in the water

[@jamesolson8126]

Not Minnesota

[@BjBeam]

See that WI in the top left? It stands for Wisconsin.

[@karabinas]

I keep expecting the prosecution to ask their own witnesses “Did you f#%k around and find out?”

[@Unhyphenated]

🤣🤣🤣

[@jenniferbible2969]

No shiiiiiit!

[@deb-77d]

How do you make a joke out of this tragedy. A young boy lost his life and everyone else is traumatised

[@wimrawe2343]

actually it was the perp who per his own facebook page fantasized about shooting people i n self defense who then found out that that when you think you're a hammer everyone looks like a nail.... right up till you actually kill someone under questionable circumstances and then get arrested while trying to sneak away

[@karabinas]

@@deb-77d A Joke? The “poor child” jumped into a man standing still with a knife in his hand LITERALLY landing on the blade, think about how avoidable that was. I fucked around and found out as a teen many times, I was an idiot…somehow

[@deaniemack]

So the original altercation started 60+ feet upstream from the knife attack, indicating that Miu did indeed try to move away from the assault. He got 20 yards +/- before he was pushed by the two women, punched and hit 3 times by one man, held down in the water by another man, and choked by one of the drunk young men. Clearly self defense. Be ashamed for not holding this pack of attack animals accountable. The mob is 💯 culpable. Jawan C. incited his mob buddies and Maddie Cohen & Rhyley Matteson both put their hands on Miu first, after verbally accosting him and inciting the violence that ensued. The now angry mob surrounded Miu and attempted to beat and force him - face down - in the water. I hope the Miu’s and their fellow tubers all file civil suits against each one of these cruel people for their vile and violent assault They should have simply left him alone. If they honestly suspected him of something nefarious, their response should have been to report it to park rangers or police. Same goes for the men who beat and held him down. These people are not victims, they’re instigators and their behavior that day was thankfully memorialized on video.

[@MyToesintheSand]

Absolutely 💯 FACTS

[@kimbok5971]

He had opportunity to leave the area before anything physical began.

[@apriltortorici9810]

​@@kimbok5971are you fking serious? He tried to leave and the thugs followed him and continued to harrass him. Stop making excuses for these monsters

[@alejandroandmariasoto2102]

He touched them first it simple they were defending them self there was no reason to touch the kids

[@deaniemack]

@@alejandroandmariasoto2102 But he didn’t touch them first. That’s one thing each witness agrees on & Jawan’s own testimony was that Miu grabbed his tube but didn’t touch him. Miu then walked 20+ yards down stream in retreat. But the teenagers followed him and continued their assault. I personally think Miu was probably going to flip Jawan’s tube for calling him a raper, but he didn’t touch anyone first.

[@timanderson9466]

Maybe this is a good time to talk about banning alcohol on that river.

[@xephael3485]

Why? Don't you care about personal freedom? Are you going to let a bunch of little brats wreck it for everybody?

[@Kkite08]

​@xephael3485 sounds like the intoxicated adult in this situation had multiple opportunities to walk away and he came back several times. He wasn't even around his own group. If words hurt his feelings this bad, sounds like he doesn't need to be around others. But you sound like the kind of person who thinks putting hands on a woman is ok, so there's that. I never seen a man punch/slap a woman and NOT get jumped by any male in the area.

[@Coppellgirl]

People are still gonna drink.

[@thatshiphop498]

​@xephael3485 right! What is this? Illinois?

[@xephael3485]

@@Kkite08 where was evidence given the old man was intoxicated or drinking? From what I heard he was sober

[@emeraldstrange]

Janell Duxbury has been the most honest witness so far.

[@KittyHannah]

Agreed

[@aag8584]

Madison Cohens testimony transcript needs to be released to the public. Very telling that she didn’t want to show her face on camera or have her voice recorded.

[@JessicaMillerG]

The only people who need to hear her testimony are the jurors.

[@dreadboy5314]

Uh the only people that need to hear her testimony is the jury. The court of public opinion isn't a legal judiciary for a damn good reason.

[@HollyGW]

Great point...why couldn't or why wouldn't they just point the cameras at the wall, just the judge, or anywhere but on her during her testimony?

[@Nohomiskis]

@@dreadboy5314but, but, but we need to be able to side step around the fact we’re supporting y’all queda’s favorite virtue-jihadi

[@wmsobczyk]

Tells nothing. It's her right. If it was required, she'd be compelled to attend and would be held in contempt for refusing.

[@lindalemus3815]

Omg. This Anderson DA is just so underwhelming. His questioning is awful! Has he ever tried a criminal case? How did we end up with these prosecutors against Corey Chirafisi and Nelson?..

[@weesports-qe3ss]

agree!! his witnesses are horrible and puts him in a horrible spot. The defense attorney is skilled!!

[@ambat22]

Agreed!!! Ridiculous how badly they SUCK!! He started out good with opening statement but that’s it!!! Terrible!! The defense is very good at confusing the witnesses and putting words in their mouths. I can’t believe the prosecution is not objecting!!

[@lindalemus3815]

@@ambat22 i know. The defense attorney, esp chirifasi, poses loaded, yes/no questions that witnesses agree to most of the time. Then the prosecutor doesn’t object or doesn’t even do a redirect to clarify and clean up the answers!! I had to stop watching for a bit

[@WIHeadhunter]

Considering how much of a deal that the defense is making about Maddie’s lack of injury after getting hit, I expected the prosecution to take their cue & think about asking the deputy’s & wife more about injuries to Nic’s face after a supposed “beat down” by a crowd. I think it’s even more consequential about his lack of facial injuries.

[@ambat22]

@@lindalemus3815 you are right on!! I did too (have to stop watching a bit). I’m not a lawyer, but the defense seems to be getting away with a lot of leading the witness. Also, that judge is not having it!!😂

[@dedethom9]

If these people would have just left Miu alone The teen would still be alive. A large group of drunken young people is scary

[@ambat22]

If Miu had just walked away or never approached their group to begin with…..

[@BlessedTruly2014]

​@@ambat22exactly miu walked up on them & wouldn't leave like A GOOD MAN would

[@rbears5679]

Where is the real person responsible. Madison needs to be held accountable for this as well as the entire violent group. All involved needs to be held accountable. Mui. Is not guilty. The fact he is the innocent person under the law? Is the real victim. This case needs to be made right. Huge lawsuit against the city over wrongful prosecution. The prosecutor as well as judge also bear the responsibility for this joke. The evidence very clearly shows that this is a case of self defense.

[@lostinnevermore5354]

Yes. Madison C. and Jawahn C. Have a lot to answer for. Huge instigators in this. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn’t followed this case thoroughly. Very unfortunate incident so tragically avoidable.

[@belleslettres354]

💯 I agree. I also think the DA just did this to not face public wrath and have his election jeopardized. The way this case was halfassed, his mediocre direct examination and obvious coaching. The coaching may not be him though.

[@LD-pt5ur]

Yeah, those kids were ass holes. But you can’t and should not be allowed to respond with deadly force when your life is far from being in danger

[@marklittler784]

He Obviously felt backed into a corner by a bunch of anti pedofile rioters even worse surrounded by them.

[@marklittler784]

​@@LD-pt5urI think he personally felt backed into a corner surrounded by a bunch of anti pedofile rioters at the end of the day most he attacked weren't the kids making aggressive derogatory degrading outrageous remarks towards him so saying he lost his temper with them is a load of Bull he only attacked them that were aggressively in his face touched or hurt him.

[@Karotu007]

I think the video evidence is misleading, I think miu was asked what he was doing, then drunk dude heard "looking for girl" which led to other things being said. I think miu really might have said "looking for a girls PHONE". Cause drunk people and stupid highschoolers always wanna try and be funny not hearing everything always trying to change the wording around. Happened to me all the time in highschool

[@DaveReece-u4b]

It wasn’t a girl’s phone.

[@paulab303]

​@@DaveReece-u4byes it absolutely was a lady's phone. She was one of the friends in his group. She lost it in the water and he went to find it. Pay attention to the testimony.

[@coriolisse]

It was his friend Ariel’s phone (and this particular Ariel happens to be a guy.) But, if a bunch of immature drunk guys want to hear “I’m looking for little girls” then that’s what they’ll hear regardless of what you say.

[@Shooshie130]

@@coriolisse I just wrote a similar comment on another day’s video…I’m only about a fifth of the way through Day 4….will be curious to see if more is revealed that sheds light on that.

[@Lisa-xy7mw]

Someone said Mr mui might have said, stop behaving like little girls to the boys and they then turned it into something else to goad him.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

The “I have a rag” woman made me tear up a little. Gosh this world would be a better place if we all helped each other, no matter how little. I hope she’s doing well today.

[@krystadowney3686]

what really got me was AJ's friend holding pressure and being loud to keep him awake. as the camera is covered a bit you hear her yell "I know I'm annoying." and "youre doing SO good AJ you're doing great you're going to be fine". you can tell she's very emotional but doesn't have the chance to be because she is being strong for him.

[@karabinas]

Imagine if they offered to help find the phone instead of calling him a “raper”

[@PneumaNoose]

@@karabinasbingo

[@TheJustinlm24]

​@krystadowney3686 no that was annoying af. She's that girl that always has to be the center of attention

[@sherrymahsburn4317]

Right ​@@karabinas

[@themamachar]

The defense attorneys are great

[@sharonpeek4578]

The defense attorney in second seat (not the lead attorney, and I can't remember how to spell his name) was also second seat for the Kyle Rittenhouse defense team.

[@mortekaieve4729]

@@sharonpeek4578 Chriafisi. They switch seats, he's likely the lead attorney.

[@sharonpeek4578]

@@mortekaieve4729 I got the information from Andrew Branca (Law of Self Defense on you tube). Not that it matters now... What a travesty of a verdict!

[@TreeCooper]

Guilty on all lesser charges. Homeboy will be lucky to get out of prison before he's 80.

[@mortekaieve4729]

@@TreeCooper He will be in jail for the rest of his life on all these charges, almost guaranteed. Appeals will happen, though.

[@trickytrixie5805]

These underage drunk kids played a dangerous game and lost. Now they are ruining another man’s life. No winners here

[@Aristocrats1234]

I cry Elder Abuse! We have laws against these types of violence. 🙏for the lost victim. Peace & Blessings ☮️🕊️

[@Rokosbasil]

He stabbed and disembodied another man. Sounds like his life was already ruined. Miserable f

[@SusieQ1971]

​@pattrim7645 LMAO He was 52 at the time, now 54. 65 and older is the "elder" abuse law.

[@a_lucientes]

Dont blame the victims. Only one person was bent on murder that day. Those kids werent smashing him with rocks, fgs.

[@Aristocrats1234]

@@SusieQ1971 Thank you for clarifying. 🕊️💟 Great information.

[@riseaboveit5236]

To think none of this would have happened if Cockfield and friends would have left Nikolai alone. Nikolai was minding his own business when getting bullied by the group. I do believe he had no bad intention when approaching the kids. Why would he? he couldn't hear them over the water. He didn't know at that point he was getting bullied. He thought they had the phone he was looking for. So their brain may not be fully developed but we learn at a very young age what is right and what is wrong. They knew what they were doing was wrong. The kids wanted their moment and fame with their Tik Tok or their Instagram or Facebook post and here they are with their fame. It is them who look bad. It's their behavior that got their friend killed.

[@CarrieV9]

He wasn’t minding his own business. He ran up to their tubes and grabbed them without any explanation. They pleaded with him to leave. He was a scary, weird dude and he refused to leave. They filmed him because he was a scary weird dude and they didn’t know what was going to happen. None of this needed to happen. Miu is 100 percent responsible

[@xvang9767]

Agree These are not real friends Trouble maker, real friends , Someone could had make stop and move on.. Why there wasn’t anyone ask- who was at the spot first, the guys or the teenagers group

[@Sonogirl]

@@CarrieV9The first part of the video was just ironically deleted. He had his snorkels. His friends even said he was looking for a cell phone. He didn’t deserve being taunted and ridiculed by these bullies. I think they stole the phone and were taunting him with it. That’s why he ran at them. Then started screaming pedo get away to incite a riot. He started walking away and the girls from the other group came over and started grabbing him and telling him to go down River (when his group was up River and they were blocking his way out), he waved to his friends, put his arm up to block Matti from shoving him, then got pushed in the water, hit, punched, slapped, shoved down when he tried getting back up. He had every right to pull his knife out in self defense. Nobody should be excusing these little brats behavior.

[@kimbok5971]

He was not minding his own business; he was initiating contact by making comments about looking for young girls. He could've stfu and left the area, went back to his friends.

[@MyToesintheSand]

​@@CarrieV9 LMAO. They pleaded with him? By screaming at the top of their lungs r*per, pedo, predator? Laughing and making fun of him the whole time? Jesus, I'd hate to see how your kids behave. They're all entitled, egotistical football players who think they're the shit. Miu was minding his own business snorkeling. If they'd have floated by and STFU NONE of this would have happened. But that's what you get when you raise kids who are never taught respect, discipline or denied anything. You get animals. That's what those boys were. They should have been charged for underage consumption and assault after they pushed him down. Instead they laughed hysterically. They all FAFO.

[@joanfedora7414]

Wow, really impressed by this judge. Personable and professional all the way!

[@wideawake8415]

I agree Joan !

[@kenobeanz5834]

I like how often he’s said “you’ve made your point move on”. I appreciate him not letting witnesses be badgered more than necessary.

[@donnyeisenbacher6896]

This is a judge doing the job. Not falling into the gang mentality unlike the ridiculous states witnesses.

[@kissykay07]

Attentive!

[@OCDTraci]

Were we watching the same Judge? I thought he was curt and abrasive.

[@kathywright7395]

These young people were bullies and drunk. It was all fun and games as they taunted him until he fought back. Now they are suddenly the victims . They started it. It’s so sad 13 young drunk people against one man looking for a phone. SMH

[@LD-pt5ur]

Sorry but you don’t respond to bullying by punching a woman, getting a mild flogging and then responding by attacking with a deadly weapon. That’s just crazy over the top.

[@clc7763]

It's always best to hear all the evidence before all these comments on here are guilty or innocent

[@MAGAland2024]

Video says it all.

[@clc7763]

@@MAGAland2024 I see a lot of Entitled bratty Teenagers instigating a mob and terrorizing a man.

[@fnhc2023]

Pupils in someone who has experienced ptsd in past can dilate more than others in time of high emotional stress, fear, fight or flight responses

[@Mike-zu9ke]

This is why people need to mind their own business.

[@PneumaNoose]

Why aren’t they showing the slides on this day? So frustrating not to be able to see what the witness and jury are seeing.

[@BjBeam]

They might be avoiding showing graphic scenes.

[@PneumaNoose]

@@BjBeam they showed everything days prior and on day 5. The cameraman was crap on day 4.

[@artvandelay5749]

This is all juwan's fault

[@sharonsmith3687]

Absolutely.

[@arlora8930]

Right... He force-fed them alcohol and drugs, too...!! He was born with that beautiful hair and melanin... Jealousy, is a disease😏

[@saynomore2619]

Juwan is totally at fault and instigator. He’s in college playing football & wrestling. Totally unfair. But if it wasn’t Juwan do you think Miu would have done this to other obnoxious kids that taunted him? Defense made it clear Miu wasn’t drunk & Police did not test his alcohol level.

[@MusicHealsMusicSaves]

How? The man ran up to them FIRST and grabbed them first. Since when is yelling something at another reason for him to take out a knife, HIDE the fact he had a knife, and grin.

[@johngarry1238]

I wouldn't say ALL his fault. But, he was a major instigator who riled up the mob with the pedophile claims.

[@CynthiaCalafati]

I’m so tired of these witnesses & this mob of thugs continuing to dehumanize this man. The witness on the stand saying he looked like a demon- “a demonic look on his face, his eyes did not look human”, was her testimony when acknowledging that Mr Mui was not aggressive, nor did he react when the woman was screaming obscenities in his face & ordering him around. I’m so tired of these punks continuing to dehumanize this man. That’s how this happened and she is continuing it. Also…these were NOT “children”.

[@Goneinsane616]

Did you not see the video. He was literally smiling and having good time. Not saying one word. Taking his knife out his pocket when people was telling him to go. He punched a women. Idk how yall see so many different people all saying the same thing! And they are lying to you! But the ex wife that said im Not going to recall anything I said before. Or the best friend lying that was speaking Spanish. Those you believe. If he was innocent and no one was attacking everyone was looking over the people that got. Hurt why did he leave throw away the knife and then lied to the officer. If it was self defense?

[@deb-77d]

He did have a blank weird look in his eyes tho

[@xvang9767]

It started with the six teenagers bullying the man Smoking weed and drinking under age. Wow… they should be the one going to jail

[@mattzane227]

smoking weed vs disemboweling someone lol

[@ulfkarl]

@@mattzane227 smoking weed and assaulting an old man trying to drown him, yeah

[@ekiii3463]

​@@ulfkarl the kids should not have fuck around.. rhey wss so happy to beat the man and talk shit till he reacted in self defense..

[@PneumaNoose]

@@ulfkarlexactly. An adult human can drown in LESS than ONE CUP of water. People keep trying to minimize it with it being shallow water and I have my fingers crossed that the defense will bring in medical experts (such as a forensic pathologist) who can testify to that (the the reduction of blood oxygen).

[@meganbessenbacher7107]

​@PneumaNoose it's "less than an inch " genius...a cup sheesh... This man was not almost drowned. All the evidence isn't in so we don't yet know if he was justified

[@deemcnalley8677]

This first witness today seems to be the most honest of the bunch.

[@marklittler784]

Definitely! Certainly seems to be the only one that tends to know when they don't know and sees a story from both angles.

[@Bob-en9sw]

This is the result of teaching kids to be entitled and also teaching them to be weak. These kids panic and scream when there is a problem which makes it so difficult to help them. They think they can bully and assault and old man without consequences. Nobody here deserves to be stabbed or to die just like nobody deserves to die in a car accident. Actions have consequences but it doesn’t mean consequences are deserved. It’s just a factor of life. This is why it’s important to be able to make good decisions. These young men drank until twice the legal limit, then they surrounded and attacked an old man. Young people need to know that old men will fight back. This used to be a lesson we taught people. “Never pick a fight with a man who is too old to fight, he will kill you. “

[@rolans.2073]

Miu threw the knife he used to stab the victims. Put on a hat, sunglasses and jacket when he saw the police and tried to escape but he was spotted and stopped by the police. One of his companions told the police where Miu threw the knife and it was recovered by the police. When asked by the police, he lied about knowing anything about the stabbing. Now he claims self-defense.

[@ThatLadyInDallas2024]

Hope they show his mug the second they told him a kid videoed the whole thing!! 😅

[@timmcallister2483]

That's really the biggest part i don't like about it myself. But after stabbing a bunch of people, tuff to wonder what was going on inside his head after that. Also the act of being surprised ??? But I also totally understand him also not trying to incriminate himself. Should of just plead the 5th and not said anything. As far as the clothes, he came out of the river the same way he went in, so an argument can be made that that should get tossed out.

[@timmcallister2483]

@@ThatLadyInDallas2024 he should be thankful a video had been recorded. It does more damage to the youngsters than it does to him. Til I saw the video, I was thinking what kind of monster does this ? Now i dont feel that way much.

[@bambina320]

Exactly. The Jury needs to consider all Miu's lies. An innocent person doesn't have the need nor desire to lie in my opinion, maybe some innocent people do, but it's a really bad move to do that. Now of course he was being harassed by those young men, but all he had to do was leave, or just not even approach them in the first place. Everyone was not in the right here. Many made poor choices and it all ended how it ended. No one wins.

[@jenniferdokken8250]

Exactly! Like I mentioned above… I think he’d be better off claiming temporary insanity because he just snapped and I don’t think he really meant to kill anyone, but the fact is that he did and tried to hide it. He would’ve just gone straight home if the police wouldn’t have caught up with him at the end of the river. He was definitely trying to evade law enforcement and if what he claims really happened.. he should’ve called 911 himself on the teens before he started slashing them with a knife, or at least called 911 afterwards to get someone to help them right away.. he didn’t neither he just went on about his business like nothing ever happened.

[@CarrieV9]

DA needs to address Miu’s bizarre behavior. Why did he approach this group lunging at their tubes without explaining why he there and grabbing them? Why wasn’t he saying anything? Why did he just stare at them, at points looking amused like he was ready for a fight? Too bad his background appears to be inadmissible. Something really wrong with this man.

[@estrella5935]

What background?

[@IzzyMariel]

@@estrella5935 there is no background. I looked him up both in WI and MN.

[@rolans.2073]

Miu's behavior obviously showed he had no good intentions and was asking for trouble. Crossing the river to where the boys are, snorkeling near their tubes, grabbing their tubes, touching them, blocking their path, refusing to move, hitting the girl. He is a bully.

[@katelynl3420]

I bet he said I’m looking for “this girls phone” and the group twisted it to “I’m looking for little girls”. On the first time but it wasn’t being recorded yet.

[@rolans.2073]

@@katelynl3420 Miu didn't say anything from start to finish. Not one word.

[@scottg3135]

The defense lawyers are wiping the the floor with these prosecutors

[@eightzerotwo]

1st degree murder isn’t going to stick. I just don’t see how they plan on making the case that it was premeditated. Don’t get me wrong, I think he should get locked up for several reasons, but I also think the “crowd” has some blame to share. Just tragic, and definitely a tough case to prosecute.

[@rolans.2073]

Miu is not charged for 1st degree murder but first-degree intentional homicide

[@iConquis4Christ]

Based on the jury instructions, the jurors are called to put themselves in Miu shoes. And by doing the same, I find it very unlikely that any amount of anger caused Miu to slap a woman in her face, knowing that he's surrounded by a bunch of drunk teens chanting his despise. It's a suicide mission. Additionally, there is no evidence that he was drunk, psychotic, or filled with any blind type of blind rage to not consider any of those factors before acting. He probably pushed someone's hand out his face and that hand knocked Madison's sunglasses off and the teens found that as an opportunity to continue gaslighting the situation to justify attacking him. He's alone, standing in water, out of shape and surrounded by multiple, drunk rowdy teens. There is no way he just ignored all of that and started swinging. That's literally a death sentence, and fighting back with his hands would prove to be futile, seeing the current circumstances of his health, position and the teens' methods to gaslight anything to justify their actions. In the eyes of Miu, it was either kill or be killed. And this is what the defense is aiming to convince the jury of.

[@aag8584]

very well said. I believe there was some sort of commotion between Miu and Cohen, like swatting at a fly, but she was not punched. This was the excuse they needed to show off for one another.

[@Ipetam]

When I put myself in his shoes I come up with the same question over and over: Why did he leave and Why did he willingly go back to the threat? It makes it seem like he went back to get the knife . And trying to hide the weapon and leave after the fact doesn't make him look good either. It seemed like they were all drinking They all were in the wrong and someone lost their life over ego. Senseless.

[@aag8584]

@@Ipetam yes everyone is in the wrong. He has been in jail 2 years awaiting trial and will probably serve more… the kids should have been charges with disorderly conduct, menacing, and harassment. Sports scholarships revoked AT LEAST

[@auslee2431]

i put my self in miu shoes. i would of told the kds/young adults im looking for a phone heck i would of ask them to help me look lol. but the video doesn't show miu doing that. it shows them calling miu a pedo then he approach them he didn't have to but he did. it really all could of been prevented. i do believe both side needs to be held accountable for their actions.

[@outoftime7740]

You people are nuts, this has nothing to do with self defense. No one else had a weapon. Just because people call you a pedophile and a rapist and tell you to get the f out of here does NOT give you the right, to punch a woman in her face and stab 5 people, killing 1. Maybe in freaking Russia, but not here. If this had anything to do with self defense, Mui would have stayed to tell LE his story. He wouldn’t toss his knife into an area and then once caught say to the sheriff, “So there was a stabbing and I fit the description.” Wtf. That psychopath better get life without parole.

[@charitymontgomery4285]

I don't get why Nic didn't just move on from the teens. Yeah, they were being dicks to him, calling him completely uncalled for names. They were being horrible to him and disgusts me to see their horrific behavior. However. He could have just let them float on by and gone about his snorkeling. He needed to be the adult and let it go. If he thought they had his phone, it was at that point better to cut his losses and move on. Why didn't he use words and talk at all? I feel like he was genuinely thinking he as defending himself, but it seems he could have just walked away. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[@joanfedora7414]

You're not wrong

[@johnryder557]

Yea your right unfortunately he used poor judgment and took it to the extreme that's why I say to young people or anyone for that matter not to taunt or make fun someone for you know not what state of mind their in!and they shouldn't have been drinking underage it's bad enough for some adults,what we have here is a deadly chemical mixture of events and personality at the same time and it exploded these are serious times folk we need to be sober and vigilant!

[@jesseewalker5147]

He didn't stop them from floating on. Those young men were just as able as he was to walk away. 6 young athletes couldn't have been in fear of this single older man. Their heckles and sneering laughter certainly doesn't show they were scared.

[@BB-yc3ze]

I think it might of been a cultural thing.

[@HeatherWilliams-ed5ur]

​@@jesseewalker5147exactly

[@sondraottocherney3955]

This is the WORST execution of a trial by the state I have ever seen. It’s so obvious they know they have no case and are moving forward anyway and are painfully slow and pathetic in their attempts to finish the trial

[@chrisriani]

'group of children' LOL. Can we stop with that nonsense? 6 foot 200lb athletic teens are not 'children'. The fact the prosecution is using deceptive language shows truth is not on their side. If you want to be adamant they were "children" then maybe the parents should be prosecuted as these children were drinking and doing drugs and assaulting others unsupervised.

[@EV-xj7xv]

Right? They were grown enough to be drinking but just “kids” when it comes to being accountable for their actions.

[@JadedBelle]

Nothing to do with size. It's hardly an excuse or a pass to act a fool this way but... yeah, those are children based on the age of their brain. At that age,.. consequence, logic, and self control has not fully developed. Sure, there are kids that mature faster than others and also other factors that determine someone's demeanor. Obviously, they're not toddlers. I'm not even arguing for or against anyone in this comment. I'm only saying that regardless of your opinion on where to lay the blame, it's inconceivable that you are actually associating maturity with physical size.

[@jessdeeES]

Yeah but if roles were reversed we’d charge those “children” as adults… I’m not sold one way or another yet in this case but the language is deceitful 😒

[@normagrimstad8869]

Absolutely, but they sure were young and very immature adults.

[@normagrimstad8869]

At the same time the defense keeps referring to a 53 y.o. as an old man. I’m older than that and don’t consider helpless. Yes, a 200 pound six foot guy could push me down in the water but that would have been true when I was thirty!

[@themamachar]

I bet the blond woman was never hit.

[@malabuha]

She wasn't. It's in the video, half a second after her allegedly being hit she's still right there in his face screaming obscenities with her buddies then he gets knocked over. Just like they say he was looking for little girls. They need excuses to convict him

[@squatchthumper7537]

100% Self Defense

[@Rainbow-m3w]

Self defensr not guilty

[@kujop1]

It really sucks that most of the witnesses have an interest in Miu getting found guilty

[@marklittler784]

I think the penny has dropped with many witnesses after seeing the video footage of the way Mr Miu was treated by people he had had a very limited initial interaction with verbally or physically.

[@LauraLittleton-y7z]

This all just feels like one horrible, regrettable situation. No one expected it to turn out this way. But everyone has responsibility, here. The fact is, a life was lost. I would be so upset if I was any of those kids’ Mom because they completely instigated this situation. Could have been completely avoided. But I also wonder why Nic just didn’t make a solid attempt to exit. All around just terrible.

[@malabuha]

The thing is that nobody was afraid of anyone up to the point where Miu swings at Maddison. Every one of them was free to leave. But because the crowd surrounded the defendant there's that reasonable doubt that anyone in defendant's position would be in fear for their life and try to defend themselves. That's what it legally boils down to. IMO

[@normagrimstad8869]

The boys are laughing hysterically and taunting, even when Miu falls in the water.

[@Fire-Rabbit87]

He did try to exit, that's when Ryhley and Madison cut him off and started screaming in his face and pushing him 🤦‍♀️ none of those drunken, sadistic idiots are victims

[@MyToesintheSand]

Nick walked away 2 times and the boys followed, screaming and taunting him with the worst things you could call a Man. He was walking away when they screamed R*PER! What Man wouldn't be pissed by that? He still doesn't resort to violence until he's surrounded by 13 drunk people. Then, I believe he pushed Maddison's face out of his and the drunken idiots thought he punched her. By law, those women grabbing and pushing him is assault. I hope he gets off on self defense and sues the shit out of ALL 13 people or their families.

[@patriciabarajas7925]

If anyone knows: if Nick Miu is acquitted can he bring a civil lawsuit against the group of people involved? Is this why they are all sticking with the same story? Not necessarily to possibly convict an innocent man but to save themselves from criminal or civil judgment?

[@lisawhite4698]

Yes, anyone can sue anyone…whether a judge throws it out without the suit being heard is another matter. I would think most of the victims should be able to sue both the defendant (for being stabbed- when they were not armed) in this case and the guy starting “the riot”… Jawaan - I think is his name. Nicolae could sue now but he would be in a much better place to sue once he is acquitted (if he is). I think he could sue Jawaan for defamation “Raper” … “looking for girls” and videoing the comments for all to see/hear. Don’t know if he would win due to first amendment rights… however, as it could be argued this entire incident took place due to Jawaan’s “statements” about Nicolae… he might have a chance. Nicolae could also sue the men that hit/shoved him down for assault civilly… it’s much easier to win a civil suit then a criminal case. If Nicolae is acquitted he could also sue the City, the prosecution, etc. as he has been in jail all this time for “defending himself” AND they should not have arrested him or filed charges against him. A great example of this is the OJ Simpson cases… the jury acquitted him due to they thought the prosecution did NOT prove the suspect’s “guilt beyond a reasonable doubt”. In the civil case the victims families were able to prove their case by a “preponderance of the evidence”, meaning that their version of events is more likely right than wrong. I think the physically injured parties and the criminally injured party all have a good chance at winning civilly…DEPENDING ON THE ATTORNEYS they choose and their reasons for suing. I’ve heard the only reason he and his wife went through their divorce in March of 2024 was due to all the possible civil suits being filed if and when he is found guilty (if he is). I am sure he has been extremely generous in his divorce “giving ALL ASSETS TO HIS former wife”! If this was truly the reason they divorced. They could also say “of course he gave everything (home, savings, etc.) to his wife is because he felt terrible about putting her in this situation AND he thought he might be going to prison for years”.

[@patriciabarajas7925]

@@lisawhite4698 wow I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

[@lisawhite4698]

@@patriciabarajas7925 sorry I wrote a book!

[@anitafowler622]

17 tear olds are not children!!! Give me a break.

[@Inbetweenthelinesnow]

EXACTLY. They all were months away from turning 18! They sure were adult enough to drink. So 🤷‍♀️

[@susanlee1827]

He wasnt running, but he was avoiding being recognized. And if HE was the victim, then why wasn’t he running towards help? He was acting like he had nothing to do with it as he walked right by an officer with a drawn gun.

[@johnryder557]

Yea that's another good point...I hear you

[@thinkbeforeyou]

💯

[@PneumaNoose]

He was in shock. Every single witness told police things that weren’t true, meaning they remembered it wrong even right after it happened. Have you never seen someone after a bad car accident (even when they’re not severely hurt) just walking around like a zombie, not making sense in the things they’re saying? Extreme stress can make you shut down mentally and you go into this autopilot mode. I have PTSD and one time someone slammed a door in my face and I blacked out and woke up 14 hours later, having no recollection of punching the wall, walking to my room, closing the door, and crawling into bed. I didn’t even know I could punch a hole in a wall (I’m a woman) and I learned all this from my friend who was at my house with me. I’m telling you, some people completely blank out under extreme stress. For all we know, he doesn’t even remember the incident. He must take the stand.

[@coriolisse]

I agree with you-and you bet that, if I were sitting on that jury, the way Miu behaved after the stabbing wouldn’t help him. I get the self-defense argument and I’m sympathetic to him, but I feel that not rendering aid, not identifying himself to the police, attempting to blend in and leave, all those behaviors suggest consciousness of guilt rather than suggesting a man who was victimized, genuinely feared for his life, defended himself, and then did what he could to clear up the situation once the cops showed up. Had he called 911 after the stabbing, and had he approached the officers even if only to say ‘hey, I’m the guy you’re looking for, I acted in self-defense because 13 of them surrounded me, showed me, and I thought they were about the drown me , and now I need a lawyer,’ I would be more persuaded of the merits of the self-defense claim, I think.

[@susanlee1827]

@@PneumaNoose and all of those people he stabbed that thought they were helping kids and just out for a fun time with their friends…(and the one he killed) weren’t in shock? Hmmm? 🤔

[@PneumaNoose]

3:29:54 I cannot get enough of this defense team schooling the prosecution 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@markroe8229]

An older man was looking for a friends phone and a drunk/drugged group of young adults saw an opportunity to bully someone. Its not complicated at all. Life teaches lessons that some parents forget to teach their children.

[@Potamotrygorgeous]

Anyone else who thinks that if AJ would have used his phone to call 911 instead of collecting his 15 seconds of fame, while filming himself, (“is this real? Is this real?!”) that his friend would have had a chance?

[@Carrjacked]

Manslaughter, Yes. Murder? Absolutely NOT. He did act super SUS after the incident trying to hide and act as if nothing happened but the man was clearly impaired as well as the majority of the other 2 groups. This is just my opinion but he was 100% surrounded by approximately 13 people yelling, screaming pushing at you how are you supposed to react. I truly believe he feared for his life.

[@rolans.2073]

Miu is not charged for murder but first-degree intentional homicide and several attempteds cause some of his victims survived.

[@cdollar67]

he did act super SUS bro!!!! Sussy SUS bro! Bet you have that same haircut

[@rolans.2073]

@@cdollar67 LAME AF

[@chrisriani]

@@rolans.2073 first degree intentional homicide is legal speak for murder

[@sagrammyfour]

SELF DEFENSE.

[@lauralee9440]

Not since the OJ Simpson trIal have I been this disappointed in a Jury. Shameful.

[@1mmickk]

The Police and the Prosecution are all very well fed.

[@tpx864]

I’m sure this guy does not feel good about what he did, and he shouldn’t. The others shouldn’t either. He seems just like a regular dude. I think both parties should have acted differently. The whole thing escalated when it didn’t have to. Let this be a lesson just keep to yourself.

[@strengtheats6399]

Exactly, hard to find a reasonable person these days

[@Mike-mj5tf]

Besides he punched a woman in the face.

[@xvang9767]

The guy is being bully by these teenagers He did not intervene them Why stop and ask what was he doing. They think they can call anyone anything they want because they are teenagers. Is they what they learn from school?

[@allifly7873]

I think the kids were being obnoxious but were too immature to realize that ppl would react that way to the threat of what they were accusing him of

[@a_lucientes]

Ive been in a fight, with a knife on my person and didnt pull it out. He had no cause to take it to deadly force. If they were trying to crush his skull with a bat or a rock, things wouldve been different, but thats not hap'd/ This was a minor dust-up. He even stabs the guy that went over to help him.

[@donnawinchester6041]

Big shout out to the girl holding AJs hand and kept telling him to squeeze. So glad you held it together sis. Thank you for being you🙏💞. #notallheroswearcapes

[@TheJustinlm24]

No that's annoying af

[@simpinainteasyRHEC]

😂😂😂😂 yeah, lets coddle these young man-babies who FAFO. they though and acted grown. 🤡

[@donnawinchester6041]

@@TheJustinlm24 to you maybe 🙄 but you weren't the one laying there dying 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@lindalemus3815]

She did a great job of keeping him stimulated by verbally engaging and encouraging and comforting him during what must’ve been an incredibly horrific time.

[@normagrimstad8869]

And Tony, who is also stabbed, helping his friend. Some people rise to the occasion, some don’t.

[@simpinainteasyRHEC]

I assume that many don't realize who Mr. Chirafisi is.... the bald defense attorney... he's a beast, look him up, then maybe youll recall.

[@cindyredenius9857]

Why don't you tell us

[@user-yo7qs7ht8j]

Chriafisi got Rittenhouse off. OMG. 😮 all in all he won 8 of 9 cases in good old Wisconsin. You are right he is a beast😢😮

[@sierraechopnw4228]

Why do people come dressed for court like they are dressing for a night at the bar? 🧐

[@fnhc2023]

It’s Wisconsin so I’m not familiar but diff areas, city, rural, etc

[@MyToesintheSand]

Because they are all mostly trash. Some of the girls look like addicts. Sores on their faces, unwashed hair, two of the guys were asked about having a criminal record, they both answered yes! The whole group is Sus.

[@RuthMcLeanBFWHC]

Rude that the judge interrupted for a break in the middle of defense asking questions. He gives me the impression that he is bias against the defense in several ways. Just my opinion.

[@debraparker161]

I noticed that too, he definitely seems biased.

[@FromThe3021]

I thought the judge had been great but I am married to Delphi. Her name is Judge Gull if anyone wants to see an unprecedented, shameless display of bias. Further attempts to have her recuse herself are pending June 2024

[@timmcallister2483]

@THX 1138 I am also over 50, and were seeing this differently no doubt. Just for starters its a shame that they felt they could profile the guy just because he had a snorkel and was older. Shame on them. Than after he dropped his snorkel and walked around and down stream a bit, He may have just continued to keep going and find his snorkel if they d just have stfu. Worse than when the gals did come over, he actually started taking to them and that may have let to led to the end if he was able to explain and say his peace. But no, the same fellas that were out of line and started all that got even louder and more unruly and started saying harsher stuff yet even louder. Again if they would of just stfu again they gals may have been able to have a reasonable chat and defuse it all. But that didn't have a chance because once they fellas said he was looking for lil girls and what not it got the girls fired up and unruly as well. I ll admit the guy might be a lil off looking but I only saw a look that had me like damn when they were saying he was on record and he was looking for lil girls. when he looked back at the boys at that point i was like damn and so should they have cause he snapped right after that. and the video doesn't show who put hands on who first, but as soon as he was in the water they all should of back up and off him. Instead they all got louder, laughing pushing hitting and circled him. total self defense. If it wasn't so serious and a kid died foolishly I may have laughed at how fast it went from them seemingly having the time of their lives to the reality of things just got serious and anyone close was getting stabbed.

[@mell3771]

Diddo my thoughts exactly!!!

[@menarussell]

He ran up to them, grabbing their tubes and touched their legs, Jawahn's and Landon's. That's assault. G1 was definitely behaving badly before that. Quinton saw him touching their tubes from behind before going in front of them which is when Jawahn started the video. He did it because Miu was not verbally communicating well enough. He was mostly non-verbal when he approached a group of drunk young people. His friend, Eric encouraged him not to go over to the group of strangers. He did it anyway to look for a phone. But, he didn't communicate clearly and didn't respond to them verbally like a normal person. Instead he ran up and lunged towards Jawahn and Labdon. He had his snorkel in his mouth when he was running up to them. He looked for it after he touched them. A lot of bad happened from him, from G1 to him and from G2 because apparently Maddie and Ryhley touched him. He never needed to use a knife. He could have communicated SOMETHING and done do to deescalate the whole. He might be on the autism spectrum which might explain why he was mostly non-verbal the entire time. If a normal person walked up to a group of strangers they woud be saying a lot and explain why they were so close to their bodies, in this case, their tubes. No one should have touched another person in the first part and the second part which includes G2. G1 didn't touch him. G2 was defending Maddie. A lot of actions and reactions were wrong.

[@kendawg_mcawesome]

This mapping dude is so unbelievably partisan, he quibbles over the placement of that X, which was actually in the right spot anyway, but then he's happy to just draw all over the board huge lines based on absolutely nothing at all.

[@Regina_And_Friends_CrimeChat]

I still think this was self defense. He was being attacked by multiple people in a river at risk of drowning himself, they assaulted him..

[@Anonymous123.5]

Dang!! This defense attorney is on 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 making the prosecutors look like idiots!!! You can’t use his answer as evidence! Play at 3:26:56

[@Rene411]

Wait wait wait, none of the "kids" who were assaulting and jumping him have any charges? They were a main part of the issue. They weren't hiding they were arrogantly showing everyone that they are going to bully this man and knowing they will get away with it.

[@BB-yc3ze]

Seriously yes why no charges against drunk in public by under age kids. What’s up with that?

[@BB-yc3ze]

Also the “kids” should be charged with assault.

[@BB-yc3ze]

Also I really think Mui was afraid. He was being pushed down repeatedly by young strong intoxicated me. Out of control situation..so scary.

[@CarrieV9]

They were reacting after he punched the girl in the face.

[@Sonogirl]

They should get public intoxication, underage drinking, inciting a riot, assault and battery yet nothing. Sounds to me like their parents know people. I’m sure these brats are used to having their messes cleaned up and getting away with things. Explains why they think they can act like this.

[@CynthiaCalafati]

This judge is so professional and keeps control of his court. So nice to see.

[@Rene411]

10 against 1. And now the 10 are the victims.

[@TreeCooper]

If it was really 10 vs 1 he would've been hurt...he had no bruises...and the only injury was on his hand from stabbing people. Your math is off ma'am.

[@xvang9767]

10 against 1, Of course, Anyone would had grabbed anything to defend themselves

[@Rainbow-m3w]

Wisconsin

[@Bob-en9sw]

“Never pick a fight with a man who is too old to fight, he will kill you. “ Lesson learned. I’m sorry for these young people but this is a lesson their fathers should have taught them. Of course, a mob should never attack anyone anyway.

[@trickytrixie5805]

These kids never once thought he might be deaf or not understand English.

[@lillymoon7506]

Not just kids that need to be told this, apparently some of the commenters are demanding an immediate explanation of him, amidst the chaos in front of him

[@khanservativ2401]

this judge aint bright - sustaining 96% of prosecutions objections is keeping the jury UN-informed, yer honor. Not allowing prior convictions of "witnesses" to be brought up is keeping the jury UN-informed yer honor.

[@TinaWebster-z4i]

What I learned from the Darrell Brooks trial is the only thing you can ask a witness about their convictions is 1) have you been convicted of a crime and if so then 2) how many times. So that’s the law in Wisconsin and not on this judge.

[@lillymoon7506]

​@@TinaWebster-z4igrounds.

[@lauriaktahi]

So far, his defense was trying to say being heckled is a legal defense for murder... Just remember that

[@zebra2346]

That is such a thoughtless simple minded statement. Obviously you're not paying attention

[@Inbetweenthelinesnow]

Nope. I’ll remember the whole picture. Not just the frame.

[@StormEarthFire]

Lol yes because that's all they did. Ignorant.

[@menarussell]

Miu approached them. Quinton said he saw Miu go up and touch their tubes from behind before the video started where he had walked around them to get in front of them. He lunged and basically assaulted them. Their behavior verbally was not physically threatening. G1 never touched him. He stabbed Isaac from G1. Yes! Horrific. Tragic. Then G2 approached. Maddie and Ryhley touched him but they were not extremely violent to him. He took out the knife while Maddie was in front of him and G1 continued verbally abusing. But, a knife was never necessary. There are so many bad decisions, actions and reactions in the series of events. If he never approached them, none of this would have happened. If he never lunged at Jawahn and Landon, who were not standing up, and just let them pass, everyone would be uninjured now. But, he was mostly non-verbal in all the situations. He could have communicated better before he approached them. He wasn't clearly communicating. He was never verbally defending himself. A normal person would have. So, I see him as part of the problem. Maddie and Ryhley touched him while G1 simultaneously continued verbally abusing him adding to the problems but not enough to warrant him pulling out the knife. He was never in enough danger to use the knife. A normal person would have behaved differently and communicated SOMETHING, a lot more, verbally. I think it's possible he is on the autism spectrum and undiagnosed because of how non-verbal he was compared to how a normal person would have behaved. I'm not defending him. It just makes sense and might explain why he wasn't very verbal. I'm watching each day in order now, on fast speed to catch up. He did wrong. They did wrong, too. A lot of people did wrong. I understand why he was afraid. But, he allegedly hit Maddie who wasn't trying to hurt him. Then the guys thought they were defending her. So, there are misunderstandings going on, too. It's a mess! I like the judge.

[@Inbetweenthelinesnow]

@@menarussell Didn’t read the novel you wrote there. If the TEENAGERS were not drinking. Or ANY of them. Mui included. Things might have gone a hell of a lot different. ✌️

[@tleexoxo]

Everyone saying "the teens were bullying him"....BOO HOO. He is a grown man, be mature and walk away! Use your words like a big boy and leave your ego to the side... deescalate and disengage like a damn adult. It isnt that hard! There was zero need to start stabbing people to death...like wtf. How do you defend that?.. i do not defend the teenagers behavior, they were acting like young assholes. Miu is, as his attorney keeps reminding us, an older man...i thought wisdom came with age? Why did this grown ass man not disengage with these youthful pricks? Nope, he runs at them and grabs at them.. Like come on... And the first person he hurts is a woman, was he honestly afraid of that woman taking his life or injuring him? No. So why did he hurt her? Because she was using her loud mouth? His lethal reaction to the taunting and harassing behavior of those others was not a balanced reaction nor is it justified in my humble opinion..

[@arlora8930]

Mr. Miu is a senior citizen, battling some sort of heart disease and outnumbered by different groups of drunks and pill poppers... For no other reason but being at the wrong place, at the wrong time🤔 He was outnumbered, but not outsmarted. On public grounds, I'd want my (elderly loved one) to defend themselves... NOT Guilty...!!!

[@xvang9767]

I agree, these kids think they own the world

[@xvang9767]

Not guilty

[@artdeco5064]

He was 52 at the time, hardly a senior citizen, FFS.

[@arlora8930]

@@artdeco5064 (Hardly) was the knife, but it got'err-done😏 Children are to be raised with love, so by the time they're young adults(17-21,) they know how to give it, as well as receive it🤔

[@artdeco5064]

You appear to be illiterate, not worth trying to communicate with you.

[@themamachar]

This man protected himself with the only thing he had. It is awful for the kids but they started it. And the 2nd group made it worse.

[@deb-77d]

The kids weren’t the ones that ran up on him or grabbed his tube or his leg. Please enlighten me as how the teens started it

[@carolinagirl740]

Miu has really good attorneys, the state really has done a lousy job or there was just too much reasonable doubt. Any who the state did a poor job removing reasonable doubt about self defense. Some of it cannot be blamed on the prosecutor considering all the assault's that happened before the stabbings began.

[@mylifefornick]

The prosecutor is not doing a really good job at making these victims look like actual victims.

[@Coppellgirl]

I’m afraid he is gonna walk.

[@MusicHealsMusicSaves]

What? He is garbage! He is twisting words, putting words into wintesses mouths.

[@xvang9767]

The six teenagers didn’t show any worry that they ate afraid of this guy. They are making fun of this guy and having the fun of their lives and even make this video to prove it Calling people name, laughing, asking for help, very afraid, wowwww

[@johngarry1238]

​@@mylifefornickI think the "victims" are largely responsible for that. They have been rather obviously lying on the stand and in prior statements. They come across as extremely untrustworthy and unlikable.

[@nonyaxdova543]

Pretty obvious from the video he didn’t hit any girl they are just lying to try to justify attacking hom

[@DaveReece-u4b]

The video shows her head turning to the right and a grimace on her face, she got hit.

[@nonyaxdova543]

@@DaveReece-u4b u know what the video doesn’t show her getting punched in the face 🤣 u know what it does show that even after she apparently got hit she still had a beer and a vape in her hand and her phone in her bathing suit even though all the teens said she got punch in the face and fell in the water hard to believe if that if a full grown man hit her she’d still be holding on to a drink and a vape and up yelling 2 seconds later but if u wanna be gullible and believe lies when the video tells different stories be my guest

[@DaveReece-u4b]

@@nonyaxdova543so you’re buying that 💩 by the defense attorney that she couldn’t have gotten hit because she held onto her drink? She wasn’t yelling two seconds later, she left.

[@missvegasable]

@@nonyaxdova543 Multiple videos taken fail to show a woman get hit by Miu.

[@nonyaxdova543]

@@DaveReece-u4b yeah I’m believing that a female being punch by a grown men would drop there drink and would probably be knocked out or at least discombobulated definitely would not be aware enough to continue carrying a drink in one hand and a vape in the other also video shows the only time anyone in the group said anything about hitting a girl was after they attacked him nothing was said about it before but keep believing lie ima believe the evidence

[@JaysonJarvis]

sure looks like a mob of people around him to me, didnt look to me like anyone was trying to just get him to talk as Aj said.

[@rebeccaglasgow1324]

Mui is snorkeling in 2 foot of water, the statement that he he said he was looking for little girls doesn't make sense. Why do they keep calling them children? Teens or young adults yes but they are not children.

[@Sonogirl]

They all want to be loud and arrogant vile people on the river like they are big enough to smoke dope and drink yet on the stand they all act like they are just sweet innocent little boys. Please!! Not one of them will take accountability for their part in it.

[@DaveReece-u4b]

Because teenagers are children

[@rebeccaglasgow1324]

​@davidreece5867 my kids are in their 30's they are my children, but at 17 I didn't treat them as I would kids ages 1 to 12! They were treated as young adults that knew right from wrong. They were expected to behave in public . They were also expected to be respectful of their elders, and not be a bully. My kids made mistakes, and they took responsibility for their actions. My youngest was involved in some mischief, he went to police and turned himself in, admitted his part in it, and worked to pay his fine. This case is a good teaching tool for what teens should not do. Aside from underage drinking and drug use, the taunting and mob mentality are terrible

[@DaveReece-u4b]

@@Sonogirlthey didn’t pretend to be “innocent boys.” They admitted to drinking and smoking

[@DaveReece-u4b]

@@rebeccaglasgow1324​​⁠legally 17 year olds are children, NOT “young adults.” In the video, he accosted them first.

[@PneumaNoose]

6:38:20 good job to whoever was in your ear that was actually paying attention. My mother is also fluent in 5 languages and has friends from countries all over the world. I always find it so strange why Americans never assume American citizens can speak more than just English.

[@jessicaschroeder5164]

Prosecutor is the WORST!! He seems completely useless and unprepared! His questions for the most part are irrelevant and redundant. It’s like it’s his first day and he’s never even seen a trial before or been to law school! The defense lawyers in this county must be overjoyed to go against him. “Is this you in this photo?” “Are you in this photo too?” “Okay I don’t have anything else” WTF?!? The jurors aren’t blind! Make a gd point for God’s sake!! 🤯🤬

[@Fire-Rabbit87]

None of the "victims" (aka the cackling hyenas) have learned their lesson. They all still think they were in the right 🤦‍♀️ They and their parents should be ashamed

[@Bob-en9sw]

I’m ashamed of their parents. They raised people who are dangerous to society.

[@jc7625]

Clearly self defense also Maddison Cohen has failed as an adult.

[@Rick-wx4md]

Why did the defendant lie to not only his group, but also to the police? Aman acting in self defense wouldn't have tossed the knife to the riverbank or lie about it. Guilty.

[@lillymoon7506]

Why have all the prosecution witnesses so far been proven to have changed their statements multiple times inbetween talking to police and testifying under oath?

[@Rick-wx4md]

@@lillymoon7506 I think the prosecuting attorneys are sleep walking through this trial. Worst I have ever seen on a Live stream. So there is that.... The defendant yes, could very well be exonerated. We know very little about the jury.

[@Pet1717]

I'm really glad i'm not on this jury because this is a Total shit show. It's so sad someone had to die. I bet all of this wouldn't have happened if alcohol wasn't involved.

[@Potamotrygorgeous]

Agree. This is a wreck dynamic, alcohol, group dynamic, peer pressure, testosterone, not fully developed frontal lobes.. but if this all counts for the ‘victims’ in a sense of ‘normally’ they wouldn’t do such a thing, then I’d say that the same can be said of mister Miu. Up till what I have seen so far, I would find him not guilty of murder. Not sure why prosecution didn’t include manslaughter and possession of a lethal weapon in their indightment..

[@deniseackermann7116]

The youths... verbally abusing a 52 year old ADULT male who could have and should have walked away, 17 year old killed, 20+ year old male gutted, 20+ year old female slugged in the face, then gutted, 20+ year old male stabbed, 20+ year old male stabbed. 52 year old ADULT male, runs off, hides the knife, rejoins his own group, then dresses to disguise 🥸 his appearance, tries to walk out and away from the police... GUILTY...

[@MurdarCemil]

Good that you are not in the jury.

[@Holdings-gy5hb]

So in other words, four adults and a teenager versus one other adult.

[@DSVlad]

Perhaps in the future these four remaining belligerent adults will think twice before harassing a stranger

[@briarrose29]

FAFO.

[@Grimey-bp9lz]

The FO alright. Imagine he was actually trying to hurt them, rather defend himself so he could retreat.

[@riasheart111]

My prayers go out to Isaac and family and all others

[@chaplainsoffice6907]

Amen

[@TheJustinlm24]

Prayers are useless. God doesn't exist

[@Cruela87]

Such disgusting Behavior it's the very appalling the fact that he wants to claim self-defense lied about not having the knife that it belong to one of them and he took it from them and then to think that he could claim self-defense when he's the one that had an actual weapon I don't care how many of them that they were because he could have used his hands if he needed to or he could have walked away he chose to take out a weapon and murder people. Shame on him

[@audramuth4147]

Shame on you for this horrible comment . Did you not see the video ma’am ?? Are you dense ?? They SHOVED this man; we’re harrassing him ; they were yelling and being absolute BULLIES to this middle aged man who clearly was BY HIMSELF . Why don’t we put YOU in that same situation . And see what happens. You get fearful . But maybe you aren’t human .

[@EnclosedPoolArea]

When you're being assaulted by a gang of thugs, you can use your words. Some of us prefer to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

[@xvang9767]

It’s a shame that they all super man first, then someone got hurt, someone die then everyone pick side because he is defending himself from these want to be hero group. Who given’s the right to judge people when they don’t said a word to people they don’t even know

[@EV-xj7xv]

Miu did not need to retreat. There is something called stand your ground. Him having a weapon doesn’t make him automatically guilty.

[@apriltortorici9810]

People have knives for the same reason people carry guns. For self defense .also many people carry knives during tubing to cut the tubing or for other purposes. Him having a knife is not illegal. Nor does it automatically make him guilty. Lots of people carry knives, lots carry guns. I carry a knife with me at all times as well because we live in a crazy world full of psychos and you never know when you will need to defend yourself in situations exactly like this one

[@Unhyphenated]

I've said it every segment; i can not believe this case came to trial. So far its been a butt load of witnesses who admit that the video proves their recollections wrong or they "Can't remember." Considering how weak this case is and umderstsnding that apparently dude lied to police, I'm doubting his attorneys will put him on the stand.

[@timmcallister2483]

Amazing how much so many of them, like all of them cant remember. Seems to me its something i probably couldnt forget ever. And even bigger. They all claim they seen him hit her. But yet most couldnt say what hand or how even ? and the ones that did claim what hand and how ? appeared to be guessing. smh

[@xvang9767]

All these people are lying Their story changed after seeing the video. The girl they claim got hit, not event wanted to show her injuries from claiming she got punched

[@PneumaNoose]

I’m betting my money on he WILL take the stand. And if you’re gonna claim Miu lied to police then they all lied to police. They were all in shock, they all got it wrong. He needs to take the stand to explain his fear.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

I think it would be reasonable for the jury to say “if I was in the defendant’s shoes, I would be scared, BUT I would’ve removed myself from the situation instead of doing what he did. What he did was too far and unreasonable when there were alternatives.” That’s a guilty verdict if they’re thinking that way, and I wouldn’t blame them for thinking that way.

[@strengtheats6399]

That’s not a guilty verdict for first degree murder.

[@TheVerbaler]

And if they were preventing you from leaving the scene because they believed you were a pedo and raper and wanted to beat your ass? you never know what you’ll do in a situation until you’re in that situation. And violence happens quickly. This all took 3 min 24 seconds start to finish. Had the kids not made false accusations none of this would have happened.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

@@TheVerbaler if his defense is “I stabbed 5 people and killed a kid because drunk immature teens were calling me names,” that’s not a very good defense. They weren’t preventing him from leaving until the physical altercation (that he may have started - that’s up to the jury). He had minutes before the physical altercation started to leave. Everybody was screaming at him to leave. If he was THAT scared, why not leave? I think that’s what any reasonable person would do. In the video he started walking away, and then turned around and came back. That is proof that he could’ve left the situation.

[@Johnny-ci8mw]

@@strengtheats6399 In Wisconsin, there definitely is a case there for first degree. I think second degree is more appropriate, and I’m almost certain the state will add second degree as a lesser alternative.

[@mangos2888]

Same. I understand his concern but he went too far, especially considering he was repeatedly told to leave and didn't, and definitely with Isaac and AJ (the one killed and the one disemboweled)

[@raduvalentin8648]

The guy stabbed that girl in the ribs and others who weren't harming him at all, this is some blind thinking, what kind of a man stabs a child, a girl, and others? What kind of a man brings a knife with him when he is wearing swim trunks? He did extra unnecessary actions, so you're saying any time people pick on someone they have the right to go and stab, disembowel, and murder teens or anyone they see fit in sight?

[@xephael3485]

Obviously you can't see the guy being knocked down into the river with a bunch of hyenas circling around and sucker punching him... These aren't children anymore than gangbangers are. From your picture you're probably thinking you could have been one of these jerks that got stabbed. 🤣

[@DSVlad]

oh won't someone think of the poor children?

[@LD-pt5ur]

@@DSVlad yeh exactly. children. one dead. you dickhead.

[@TreeCooper]

​@@DSVlad Oh bitter old man.

[@apriltortorici9810]

Children? You mean full grown young adults. 17 to age 24 drunk thugs harrassing and attacking an old man

[@markkeller9378]

Bottom line….he smacked the girl that ignited this. Second, he never moved backwards or away from the teens…he moved forward in an attacking manner….he was the only person armed……..guilty as hell. All he had to do was turn around and leave…….thats it……he never backed down. He never stated “ok, I’m leaving..or I’m backing away”……lock him up. If he had a gun, he would have been hung by now.

[@Holdings-gy5hb]

The state definitely has not proven he smacked her or initiated the conflict beyond a reasonable doubt. The video tape does not definitively prove he actually threw the first punch. The prosecution has not proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Miu was the aggressor, which is one of the criteria needed to prove intent that comes with the charges he is on trial for. Actually in my opinion, today with the states witness who digitally replicated the crime scene with the drone hurt the state's case today when he hesitated and refused to answer the defense's questioning when they asked him who he thought the aggressors were from his interpretation of the main video clip. The first female witness also stated the female who approached Miu may have touched him/initiated it first after she watched the video and recalled her version of events. She states the defendant was NOT aggressive and that the female who approached him was aggressive towards Miu. There is absolutely doubt on who the aggressor was. Additionally, state of WI does not have a duty to retreat law so he wasn't legally required to back away. Both groups had ample opportunity to leave and neither had more of an obligation to leave a public area than the other. From the videos that have been released so far, he only started using his weapon after he had been pushed by at least two people, almost pushed under water, hands were also found around his neck in multiple still frames shown, all before he used his weapon. "He was the only person armed". In law, hands can be seen as weapons and if his counsel sees fit, they can argue the defendant feared for his life due to the number of people surrounding him, using their own limbs as weapons. The state has to also prove his intent was murder. There will be at least one juror who can logically see Miu's goal/intent was to keep himself alive. It will, most likely, be a hung jury. Mistrial and retried in a different case, in which he will still have a pretty good case for self-defense as well. Edit* I'd also like to add, I think Miu will eventually get a settlement from the state for his past imprisonment for the last two years and should go after the people who claimed he was a pedophile for defamation if he eventually gets acquitted. I know Miu's wife divorced him so they didn't lose all their assets if he gets sued in civil court but honestly, I think those involved who claimed he was being a pedophile should probably be worried about a future lawsuit.

[@jerrygee-s1i]

13 to 1. have you ever been surrounded?

[@Grimey-bp9lz]

Bruh he never hit her. Dante did because he was too drunk to throw a straight punch. All hell broke loose after Dante showed up. Not before.

[@TreeCooper]

​@@jerrygee-s1i Yes, and my friends came to my aid....why didn't his? Maybe because they know he's an asshole perhaps?

[@cornpop88]

Not guilty .. Self defense….

[@tiacalhoun3841]

He was trying to hide in plain sight, within a group and with a shirt on….he hid the knife and then played stupid when apprehended by law enforcement

[@MurdarCemil]

What would you do in same situation? Have you ever done and experienced such thing?

[@TreeCooper]

​@@MurdarCemilI would've stayed away from the group the first time I walked away, but he came back...why?

[@Bob-en9sw]

He didn’t want to be victimized by the law after having been victimized by these drunk men. As it turns out, he was right. There is no case but the prosecution moved forward anyway.

[@sethpanfil2604]

You don't get to stab someone because they called you names!

[@tonysexton6529]

Lets face it why would an older man challenge a group of spoiled drunk kids

[@davidsullivan9680]

Lots of comments saying that Madison never got hit by Miu. Clearly, that's an issue because it wasn't captured on camera. But, the other girl that got stabbed and organs were coming out of her side - the stabbing wasn't caught on camera - was that stabbing a fabrication as well? Maybe someone else stabbed her? Crazy stuff. Also, Madison had sunglasses on, then just seconds later her face is turned with a pained expression, her sunglasses are gone, all of the kids charge at him independently at the same time and Dante Carlson punches him saying, "you never hit a woman". That's enough evidence for most reasonable people.

[@PneumaNoose]

From everything I’ve gathered thus far, I think Miu pushed her off of him (which could knock her glasses off). And not only did she not fall nor drop anything in her hands, she wasn’t wet at all. Her hair and swimsuit are dry when we see her sunglasses are off. It matters for the defense because she’s the one who initiated physical violence against Miu. She put hands on him FIRST after he told her not to touch him (as we see him gesture in the video). This defense team is brilliant and they’re gonna present one helluvah case.

[@sargecomstat4755]

You can see the end of his arm movement toward her and then her reaction, though. There is no such indication with Madison. When the camera pans back Madison's head whips around to yell something over her shoulder. And as she does this Miu already has multiple people on him. At least some of the witnesses seem to have interpreted this head movement as caused by her being struck. For instance: Jenelle (I think is the name of the witness) said she saw Madison's hair whip and the right side of Madison's face turned toward her. Well, this is the only time that happens. And it wasn't because she was struck. It is similar to the mob working themselves up into a frenzy while making him out to be a creepy pedophile based off of nothing. In reality he was just a bit eccentric, snorkeling in shallow water. The alleged punching of Madison seems to have developed in a similar manner. Most likely it was based off very little or nothing at all. The mob was primed and only needed the slightest trigger. And witnesses bring up the "inhuman look in Miu's eyes." But look at Dante the moment before he struck Miu. He actually looks to me like he is the one itching for a fight.

[@PneumaNoose]

@@sargecomstat4755 I couldn’t agree more.

[@Bob-en9sw]

The witnesses have all been caught lying many times and claim memory problems. They also accused him of rape and pedophilia. How can we believe anything these drunk people say. We can only trustee video.

[@PneumaNoose]

@@Bob-en9sw I agree

[@tragedyturnedtriumph4180]

Notice when you are in shocked you're not thinking straight, notice the guy saw things go down say he was wearing a shirt then says he wasn't.

[@paulbryant68]

Why does the court camera guy not show what the rest of the room is seeing on the river? legal issues? sometimes he does. kind of would like to see it, i’ve seen the witness plenty.

[@BjBeam]

Not showing graphic images of injuries.

[@donnyeisenbacher6896]

The gang mentality has come into the trial. Absolutely sick.

[@FlowerPow-tz1cn]

Since when is it ok to use lethal force against someone who is making fun of you especially when YOU are the initiator of the confrontation? Answer: NEVER!!! Then knowing that you were the one who ran up to men you should at least warn them to leave you alone because you have a knife.

[@briarrose29]

Since when is 10 against 1 a fair fight?

[@DamnitDana]

He didn’t use lethal force against the ones making fun of him otherwise there would be almost a dozen victims, the only victims are all victims that have by this point in trial are confirmed to have put their hands on him

[@sherylbutler9999]

@@briarrose29 It was more like 13 against 1

[@TreeCooper]

​@@sherylbutler9999 And it wasn't 13 vs 1, since he was still standing. If they wanted him hurt he would've been.

[@xvang9767]

The second group is looking for problems, not solutions to start with. Start yelling and picking side, wow

[@bettina868]

Good commentary/analysis today by Debbie Lang! Educational/informative! Thank you!

[@lindyford8671]

At this point I’m like did the defense pay off the prosecution? Cuz WTF

[@vincentpittman5453]

I wish the DA would object more often and protect his witnesses way more. Not a Great Assistant District Attorney trial Lawyer Team. Lazy or too confident ? What do you think ?

[@lindalemus3815]

I think they’re both unprepared, slow and don’t seem to think quickly or appropriately rehab their witnesses on redirect. The younger DA is super unorganized, informal, and hesitates way too much. His speech and presentation is embarrasing. Doesn’t know when to make objections. Terrible prosecution presentation. It’s a good the the evidence is clear. Guilty. He should’ve walked away and never engaged with the taunting teens!

[@Candie620]

Terrible DA…He doesn’t seem nearly as experienced or on the ball, as opposed to the Defense attorney.. even though I feel strongly that Miu is guilty!

[@Grimey-bp9lz]

Lazy. The waistline says it all.

[@Resnullia]

I think they assumed it was a slam dunk so they gave it to someone they thought needed the experience...

[@anthonyhiscox]

​@@Candie620lol you walked into this "knowing" he was guilty. You're just upset that the witnesses are FALLING APART. Or are you actually going with _"no seriously I watched the video and it shows Madison on her knees with Miu walking over and standing over her in his hat, jacket and pants after having emerged from the woods carrying the camera he was using to film little girls"_ LMFAO. You stoned?

[@jimmynorris1164]

First contact nick runs up and grabs kids legs an floats and stops them. grabbing the kids legs and stopping them is assault he assaulted them first right then self defense is off the table he is the aggressor at that point. He should have walked away

[@Bob-en9sw]

Not true. As long as he is attempting to deescalate he is allowed to defend himself. He said nothing. He made no threatening nothing toward anyone. It doesn’t matter how it started minutes before. He stopped. If these young people were raised better, nothing would have happen. You don’t commit physical violence against others, especially and old person.

[@jimmynorris1164]

@@Bob-en9sw before his testimony I felt like he was 100% guilty after his testimony I feel like it was self defense he was in fear for his life it was a smart move letting him tell his side

[@Rainbow-m3w]

Why did he grab their tubes? Did they have his phone he was looking for? He saw it in the party tube with the beer and vodka and marywanna?

[@Coppellgirl]

Who filmed all of this?

[@TreeCooper]

Pixar

[@ruthd7274]

Juhan.

[@tonyclifton8102]

Miu was raised in Romania until his late teens, I believe Romania had a revolution and was under communist control during his youth. I read his Romanian family came to America when he was almost 18, as political refugees. His way of filtering stress maybe adversely effected from the jump. I found his facial expressions and body language to be very odd.

[@fnhc2023]

Yes, if he experienced ptsd as a child, he would respond differently…also his eyes would dilate in times of stress even more than others do when in distress, fear etc

[@coriolisse]

I’m about 10 or so years younger than Miu, and was also born and grew up in Romania before (and for some years after) the 1989 revolution. I was under the impression that Miu immigrated to the US before 1989, but I deduced this based on his attorney’s opening statement which was somewhat ambiguous. Personally, I find Miu’s facial expressions and overall physical demeanor bizarre, at best and disturbing, at worst. While most Romanians are not nearly as effusive and physically expressive as many Americans are, we do emote, respond, and engage appropriately with the world. Those of us that grew up during Ceausescu’s years might be more reserved and less likely to volunteer personal information, but this guy seems to have his very own pathology. He’s blank, stunned and not all there in an extreme way that I don’t think I’ve ever seen before. This is a weird Miu thing; it’s not ‘pre-1989 Romanian’ thing. Dude’s an oddball of colossal proportions.

[@tonyclifton8102]

@@coriolisse I couldn't understand his emotionless state especially after critically injuring someone and seriously injuring others. Something is not right.