Mike Rowe: The notions about trade careers are starting to 'get wobbly'

[@floridaprepper751]

I went to a technical college for air conditioning and commercial refrigeration for 4 years. I started my ac trade in 1987. I worked all day in the heat working for an ac company. And went to school 2 times a week at night. I paid my own way, and i am still doing ac work. I am 57 years old now. People rarely respected my trade, untill they need you.

[@nikosniko7092]

Exactly

[@jrculbertson7463]

Your TRADE has ROYAL STATUS in Florida.... especially after a hurricane! 👍💖🇺🇸

[@nikosniko7092]

@@jrculbertson7463 don’t forget Texas after those big freezes

[@stevengtv]

Also in HVAC and agree

[@bayarea7537]

I was a trouble youth due to lack of guidance. I was in and out juvenile hall. Eventually I landed in California state prison For 6 years. During my time in prison I enrolled in the trade school they offered in prison. I got out and I became a commercial carpenter. In San Francisco California 5 years into my career I make 120k a year. It’s hard work. I love it. Gives you a sense of purpose. Respect for the trades . Blue collar life . I walked away from the life of crime for good. Self betterment is key

[@LB_59]

I’m a steam fitter in Toronto, I’ve never seen so much work in my life. Most plumbers and fitters make a minimum of 130k a year. Foreman make between 160 and 180.. some supervisors make over 200k. My sons are going to start at the age of 17. By the time he’s 22 he’s making 150k. It’s not for everyone, its hard work.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

Sign me up. I’m 35 and a head chef. Managed people for 10 years. Cooked for 15. And the whole restaurant industry in California is in disarray and not coming back. It’s failed. It failed me. I’m gonna listen to you brother. Never knew you could earn that much in that trade. My close friend in a journeymen carpenter and started at 18, by the time we were 25 he was making way more than me in culinary. I was making 13hr he was making 67hr with full benefits and retirement.

[@LB_59]

That’s good money. Get in a union plumbers/fitters I’m sure there’s work where you live..

[@Viperness]

Those are some big paychecks!

[@Bravebelly]

Must be a Canadian thing. Plumbers in America make 30-35$ per hour

[@sw00sh9]

We were built for hard work. This work depends on men without men the world doesn’t go round.

[@tlee2947]

I’m a barber. Entry year in a real barbershop I earned 70k with 5 days a week. Few years and few mistakes later, I’m earning 70k with 3 days. Plus generating extra money working in my community. Trades are the way. My education cost me 6.4k , my tools cost me 3k .

[@jonkilpatrick8055]

I'm a Boomer and a Millwright turned trainer. Experience counts. Take pride in your craft. Best show you've done in a while.

[@jess4926]

As a woman in the trades.....this is awesome! I'm that parent that doesn't push college on my son or daughters!

[@HodgeChris]

For boomers and senior citizens, the current market and economy are unnecessarily harder. I'm used to simply purchasing and holding assets, which doesn't seem applicable to the current volatile market, and inflation is catching up with my portfolio. My biggest concern is whether I'll survive after retirement.

[@NicholasHarmon-ow3jl]

Just buy and invest in Gold or other reliable stock , the government has failed us and we cant keep living like this.

[@carssimplified2195]

Yes, gold is a great investment and a good bet against the devaluating dollar, been holding some for awhile now, I’m grateful my adviser’s moment by moment changes in the market are lightening quick, cos who know how much losses I would’ve had by now.

[@Pamela.jess.245]

Please can you leave the info of your lnvestment advsor here? I’m in dire need for one

[@carssimplified2195]

There are a handful of experts in the field. I've experimented with a few over the past years, but I've stuck with ‘’Colleen Rose Mccaffery” for about five years now, and her performance has been consistently impressive. She’s quite known in her field, look-her up.

[@Pamela.jess.245]

Thanks a lot for this suggestion. I needed this myself, I looked her up, and I have sent her an email. I hope she gets back to me soon.

[@jamesgibson4100]

I'm a Boomer, started out working as a plumber, actually acquired a Master's Plumbing license. One thing I liked about it, was you got paid for a physical workout, no need to go to a gym while you were making money, just doing your job. The 'trades' are a very good place to start your life. In my case, ended up getting into inside sales with a company, that while they were huge in the hiring of College graduates, I found myself very valuable to the company and spent the last 30 years of my working life with a company that valued my experiences in life. Of course, one always needs to keep learning and adapting, not only in your job, but in life in general as well.

[@TRAVIESO_NA]

Man sounds like you lived a good life. Worked hard and kept yourself taken care of no matter what happened in America. 🇺🇸 I was born in the late 80s and I really wish I would have been around a few decades before all this technology. I had to grow up with it. Must have been a more peaceful life. Than now.

[@glenchatelain3067]

When I graduated high school in 1985 absolutely no one was talking about the trades. In fact no one I knew spoke about anything but a 4 year degree. So off I went and bounced in and out of college changing majors and finally graduated 7 years later. Wound up with a job in Industrial Distribution and have been gainfully employed for over 30 years. I raised a family and done ok for myself however at the age 57 I'm behind the curve financially. I didn't need that degree to get into the field I am in and would have been much better off taking some community College courses and kicking off my career off 5 years earlier. I envy my friends who started early in blue collar fields and who are now ready for early retirement. Most aren't retiring but the peace they having in life knowing they could whenever they want to is priceless.

[@Gramma5775]

Right on Mike. I was once told by a very wise woman who lived through the great depression and dust bowl of the 30's. She said never, ever apologize or make excuses for having a job, giving a full days work for a full days pay. Any job, be proud.

[@brucekastel707]

A big AMEN. My wife and I have been saying for years we need Home Econ, Shop, and Driver's Ed back in school. Plus, not only the debt service of college but 4 years of lost wages while in school.

[@colbyryan4169]

Blue collar jobs will need to be paying 1.5x white collar jobs to really tackle the looming labor shortage. Most simply don’t pay enough to compensate for the toll that a blue collar job takes on one’s life

[@fatherof4kids]

Says someone who has never done blue-collar work. Not all blue-collar work requires heavy labor.

[@vincemartin5323]

Pay close attention, thing that seem too good to be true usually are.

[@debbiemerritt6707]

Vocational/ Career and technical classes are coming back. Cosmetology can get a license as soon as they graduate from high school, nursing, electrocity, building and trades, welding, auto mechanicsand greenhouse are some of the classes at our h8ghschools.

[@mr.x8259]

It’s hypocritical of him to denounce college, since he went, and he wouldn’t have had the connections or career opportunities without that “receipt”.

[@djv.8424]

I went and I now denounce it. It was different in the ‘70’s - my degree only cost me $14k total. I’d never send my kids to college now.

[@karltannerfookinlegendofgi5243]

he has addressed this in a couple of podcasts. he notes that he doesn’t entirely denounce college or university education, but rather that people should also be considering the trades he mentioned in one podcast that he paid a fraction of the cost for his liberal arts degrees with lower interest back in the 70’s, and 100% of what he learned is readily available on the internet for those inquisitive enough to seek it out. his primary focus is that you shouldn’t expect to be guaranteed a job or career right out of a 4 year degree unless you really know what you want and how you’re going to pay off a $70,000+ debt. he’s very nuanced on the subject when he’s pushed further on his opinions.

[@tex8939]

You realize that he said in the video that he has nothing personal against people pursuing a 4 year degree, right?

[@mic6469]

Big Love to Mr Rowe 👍

[@nickzema4683]

Sounds like in 10 years there will be 50 local plumbers in every town competing for business. Just like the ocean tide comes in and goes out.

[@jiggeplaya7182]

As a utility worker, I am extremely satisfied with my career path. Awesome pay & benefits. My company paid 100% of my bachelors degree and I have military. I can move around the utility industry as I please, thankfully with no debt!

[@tatersalad6872]

Especially for men, but also for any women who are into hard work and getting dirty... Look into the various trades before spending umpteen thousands of dollars wasting your time in a college classroom!

[@Bravebelly]

Agreed. But don’t overlook the classroom if you want to be more than just a blue collar laborer. It isn’t the bees knees at all. That’s why Mike Rowe is an actor 😉

[@ricinro]

High school "shop" was not much training for the millions of varied tasks out there. Jobs were once long term and as employment moved from unions, Corporations reduced training programs and expected free market (almost scams) training schools or community college to do the job. Irony is that when someone with a trade school degree gets hired they get trained anyway.

[@KungPowEnterFist]

This will be short-lived, and Rowe knows it. When ARPA runs out, there is going to be a complete and total implosion in the trades. You hear this same old story every time we are at an economic top. Decade after decade, and the result is always the same for the trades. It is used as a cautionary tale, because in fact it is a cautionary tale of what not to do with your career. Those of us that have grandfathers, uncles, brothers, cousins, and/or ourselves have been in the trades going back 20, 30, 40, 50 years, see right through this nonsense.

[@JAYY_JAYY]

Please elaborate

[@scar1343]

Need to elaborate more..

[@charleslavoie5402]

You sound like the adults in Charlie Brown.

[@ScooterOnHisWay2024]

Nope.

[@KungPowEnterFist]

@@ScooterOnHisWay2024 That was a very intelligent response. Thank you for your great insight. You are a beacon of light in a world full of darkness and deceit.

[@brianjosey8113]

I was born late 60's and grew up in the 70's and 80's, we did not call a plumber as we fixed our own toilets!!!, you can still today buy the parts and fix your own toilets for under $30 so why call and spend $600, The only thing we did not fix on our own was the furnace as that was a very specific thing that should be done by an expert

[@charleslavoie5402]

Plumber is a lot more than fixing toilets.

[@publicdomain3378]

Alot alot more. Like septic installs. New construction builds. Commercial construction builds/ mantainance. In fact most plumbers dont work on private homes.

[@nicksrandomness8116]

Another good option is getting into IT with the CompTIA A+ and Net+ . I got my job before getting a cert, should have my cert in a few weeks.

[@saulgonzalez4800]

Are you in California by any chance ?

[@MrCovert23]

The real issue is these trades are tedious and it is extremely hard and difficult work. The sad truth is these young kids don’t wanna work anymore . They have been raised thinking life is going to be easy which for the most of us it’s not

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

He who does not work does not eat.

[@Bravebelly]

They don’t want to work these difficult tedious jobs because it’s not rewarding. The money isn’t half as good as what ppl claim and if/when you do; you’re the one guy that works weekends and stays late every day. Undesirable lifestyle.

[@MrCovert23]

@@BravebellyI was referring to working in the trades

[@Bravebelly]

@@MrCovert23 I agree

[@Bravebelly]

@@GothamsFinest 💯 percent fact!

[@ecrah]

MR is a beacon of clarity.

[@juliew.2165]

College degrees no longer bring good jobs, however, skilled workers in manufactures, technology & science fields are popular.

[@jamesgraves9858]

This is true. What we have are useless graduates with no real world experience that want to enter the workforce on their own terms. Our workforce is pathetically weak. The trades are the only thing that can salvage our country

[@ashtonarmstrong3082]

I am in Hvac, starting is 50k a year at my company. Not sure it gets up to 6 figures for us. The plumbers are between 80k -200k. I know some places paying below the poverty line in the state for HVAC technicians. Not sure what states people are making 6 figures.

[@paulkurilecz4209]

I am a licensed engineer with graduate degrees. What do people think of me? Oh, he can fix it, he is an engineer. Now that I have relearned how to weld, I get more respect than I ever did as an engineer.

[@mikemiller209]

All union trades have apprenticeship programs at no cost to the applicant, and learn as you earn usually starting out at 50-60% of scale with yearly increases. Only thing is you have to sign an agreement stating you won't work for a non-union company for a set number of years (usually 5) ... And trades have pensions and health care ! I retired early and now enjoy gardening ..

[@JohnRhodes-lv3rg]

I left teaching. Plumbing is awesome. So is masonry, framing, hvac, electrical.

[@__catalystic4484]

Practiced welding as a young kid in high school; loved it but the industry is elsewhere; it’s been hard to find more mentors/ better mentors as I’ve had to move into low voltage electrical; and more construction based jobs. A lot of companies locally would pay dirt for a welder; even a TIG welder. People don’t respect the trades till they need them.

[@KevinDavison-yf2cl]

We need more people in my field especially younger to take up where we left off. I'm an ag tech since 86 and this scary to see the lack of interest in this occupation. There is a good living in this if you want to commit and work hard you can be successful. Stop by mike. We need to get young adults thinking about this. Have been on my own for 3 years now and can't keep up best thing we did in most ways. Kevin Davison ag Bedford Iowa. Thanks

[@MMatte75]

The biggest problem at least in New England is that my local vocational school has over 700 applicants for only 300 spots we need to invest in expanding vocational schools to get more kids in.

[@dh3940]

If anyone is interested in joining the trades I really enjoy pipe fitting. You learn how to be a welder, pipe fitter, some plumbing, and some ac all in one job as a pipefitter in the union. And you get pensions, health insurance, job security, and raises every year. When I first started it took me 6 months until I got a job but it’s been almost 10 months and I’m still working for the same company! You gotta have a good work ethic, show up on time, and be reliable, and willing to listen and do what you’re told to do. Also in the UA you get access to travel across the United States because there’s hundreds of union halls all across the nation. Also, in the case you do get killed while you’re a member in the ua, your designated beneficiary will get $30,000 as we all have life insurance policies!!!

[@Figjamfishslayer]

Construction is booming. However. Most customers have become almost intolerable due to lack of understanding that everything takes longer and costs more.

[@artienye2094]

i spent 31 yrs as a mechanic welder at P.N.S.Y. in portsmouth n.h. ...i retired in 09 to live in thailand...my shipyard pension allows me to live very well here in thailand

[@andrelorkiewicz4599]

You're doing a great job mike

[@jeauxd71]

I started sweeping floors in a machine shop at minimum wage. Now I am a machinist with 33 years experience. If you work hard,show up early,work the overtime and learn how to do the trade you can make 100K or more. The only time I ever set foot on a college campus was to buy the machines they were selling.

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

You can start cleaning toilets and end up running the company. All it takes is desire to be the best you can be. Your job should be to take the boss mans job. Any Job.

[@GeorgiaMade404]

This is true, a friend of mines made $500K (take home) last year in the trades by outsourcing all the work - carpentry, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, and roofing.

[@WaluigiMangione]

Can I get a trade taking dark money from the Koch Brother?

[@papapickett7267]

It is a little damning that he had a show called “dirty jobs” where it seemed to me the basis of the show was to find the hardest, toughest, dirtiest and sometimes most dangerous jobs in the country and spotlight just how tough those jobs were. While it gave us something to admire and be grateful for, Im pretty sure it did not inspire people to do the work. If anything, it showed people why they should get their degrees.

[@ScooterOnHisWay2024]

No. He just showed that there were always things you could do for a living and that would pay well because few people wanted to do them.

[@Doctor_Martain]

As someone who was in corporate America for 20 years. I'm telling everyone if you're caught up in that nonsense get out now. Find a trade , the money is there as well as the demand.

[@justinreed7093]

the numbers are wrong however its not a bad living until minimum wage is 20 a hr

[@Bravebelly]

The Numbers are absolute BS. This is business owner #’s

[@AlexC8628]

It’s always plumbers electricians hvac guys . What about us carpenters? Y’all know without us there no need for you lol. All seriousness young men and women there are options.

[@user-zs1fr7im6l]

Trade Careers - way to go - from a guy that sat at a desk ! Go get em and start your own business !

[@Bravebelly]

That’s not a trade Career. That’s a business owner.

[@user-zs1fr7im6l]

@@Bravebelly I know but they can build it into their own business was my point ! Anyway take it however you want ! FUN TIMES AHEAD !

[@Bravebelly]

@@user-zs1fr7im6l no I know..just the whole bit is deceiving, because being in a trade and being a business owner is wildly different. You don’t even have to be in a trade to be a business owner

[@user-zs1fr7im6l]

@@Bravebelly I know - A lot of people start out in a trade and then become self employed - Mike Rowe has a 4 year degree from towson state - They never seem to bring up !

[@Bravebelly]

@@user-zs1fr7im6l 💯

[@whatchis1120]

Heck I make over 100k working for food manufacturer in the warehouse, no degree or education. I certainly agree though on a trade before diving into debt headfirst, the only people who make more than me at my age are the techies working from home not in their state their employed from cough cough California. Just be careful where you live cause even the high pay or in some low pay may not be enough to truly live, my dad never made it over 32 an hour working a union job in Louisville as a plumber. Also the weather and job completion can mean your on unemployment for several months also.

[@Adam-l6x2j]

I’m 40 yrs old I wish I had have focused my time and energy after high school and earned myself a trades certification.

[@Bitcoin_Gold]

Funny how I see job ads saying must have BA or Master degrees. I ignore that crap which I know the job position don't need that. Experience or many years experience is what is important and what will help remove that waste of time degree crap

[@PUREBOILINGRAGE55]

Ugh what are these grifters trying to lie about today?

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

Pump and dump everywhere these days. I've learned to recognize and pass those comments by.

[@donswearingen9805]

Retired Tanker here. Is that a trade? In any case, Mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be tankers. Raise 'em as plumbers and rodeo clowns.

[@designmycity]

LOL

[@benrinker3708]

Love this guy!

[@TruSciencePro]

The trades are a great way to make an honest living.

[@jerrybarone9781]

I told my grandson whp is thinking about future college applications that everybody lists soccer yearbook chess club etc etc on their resume. Told him to get a welding certificate instead it would carry more weight when applying for engineering schools and he could earn a tidy sum during summer breaks

[@snapfinger1]

There’s old money. There’s new money & there’s blue collar money. Be tactful spreading it around & tip your waitresses generously.

[@sampantiliano]

The thing about blue collar workers is you can’t just show up and be good you need mechanical ability. I have hired 100’s of people that I had to let go a week later because they didn’t have that skill. They look at the phone until you ask them to do something they hardly ask why or how.

[@CapitalismDeathSpiral]

Trade Jobs = Severe Health Problem Jobs = Just a different category of slave jobs.

[@Bravebelly]

💯 percent. God forbid you take a week off; they’ll look at you like a POS in a trade job. You better bring in a doctors note like a child in school 😆 I’d never let my sons even think about trade jobs.

[@ScooterOnHisWay2024]

Incorrect!

[@ScooterOnHisWay2024]

@@Bravebelly You should have just stopped after the word 'think.'

[@Bravebelly]

@@ScooterOnHisWay2024 you can’t handle the truth.

[@Bravebelly]

@@GothamsFinest yes! This is absolutely true. That’s why there’s a shortage. People aren’t dumb.

[@Card_Threapy]

So will replace all of us !

[@dreamleaf6784]

The real tragedy is that its hard to pick a job when you are in highschool. There is nothing wrong with college or trades. Im 40 and almoat done with my conputer science degree and i will make boat loads of money and it didnt cost me much money to go, i bet less than mike rowes program. Not putting it down, but im just saying, you font have to pay 100k(or more) to go to college.

[@kathybirkland1212]

Big mistake! I wish I could have taken more. They could also use classes exposing student to different fields, example. Imaging Cat scans simply X-rays. Plumbing electrician, project manager,

[@boonehouston]

Its hard to be on time with projects when every one of your helpers is only looking for their next chance to get on their phones. The schools teach them to be useless unless theyre on a screen. Theyll never be able to "grind".

[@skatetoexplorevideos2477]

My hands are messed up. Can't be a plumber, electrician, aircraft mechanic, etc. It sucks.

[@bobdaeronort]

The US Navy can’t get its new warships on time due to a lack of welders fitters and shipwrights

[@stefcazo4680]

I'm a handyman, but I do mostly welding. Sometimes it's hot and I'm kneeling and cat pee, but at the end of the day, I come home and I count the Benjamins and have a "cold one". Would not trade this for anything in the world.

[@Viperness]

I'm not sure if I should go into the trades as I'm not very strong.

[@BooRayWisco]

Try machining, it’s mental not physically demanding.

[@022100bmlotus]

When Gov forced medical coverage, that eliminated the independant tradesmen. Forced union trades. Mike, make sure you tell all, Vote socialism and join a trade union. You will be ok. Otherwise, work for Amazon, and vote for socialism.

[@SchondorfEnt]

For those with a fragile ego, just call it something different. For example, instead of calling yourself a Plumber, go with "Water Systems Executive or Fluid Infrastructure Director" ... There you go.

[@Scratcherzzz]

Mike row believes in things neil cavuto does not sad he’s the one who has to interview him.

[@starship519]

Tell citi bank to close its naked shorts

[@R7Romeo]

I mean the bid is "the bid", once its created there is no room for negotiating.

[@speedyscoop8497]

We own a pet waste removal company…. We make $300,000 and will continue to go up

[@vonrock6862]

These are jobs that need obligation and commitment. I told my sons they build character, they laugh and say “they build cash Dad” both craftsman of the trades 🇺🇸

[@tsarrite]

"If I had my life to live over again, I'd be a plumber" - Albert Einstein

[@davidmotyka2708]

Trades are better than a college degree in my opinion.

[@tommygunnz450]

You should see the youngins we have hired at our shop. They think they know everything, they miss at least 1 day a week and complain about everything and cant be corrected and get offended. There bssic math skills are non existent. Cant even read or write cursive

[@RinaShinomiyaVal]

Cursive hasnt been taught in my school district for the past 15 years minimum

[@Dohair879]

Trades are king

[@brockjennings]

Career guidance should based upon aptitude testing as the military does. That way at least an individual actual knows what type of work they would be most successful at.

[@geert574]

Bot tube

[@hotchihuahua1546]

Colleges are not for everyone nor should they be ! In many cases you are much better off going through an affordable trade or tech school ! What we are experiencing as a whole ? To many silver spoon carrier college kids placed into high end positions their parents were in ! Both in civilian and government jobs ! In a progressive world this will always be a soar spot that will never really change ! Democrat & Republicans will forever fight each other for a piece of the pie ! It is what it is and so counter productive trying to move forward !

[@williampankratz600]

One dollar a second is $86,000 daily 12 days for a million 31 years for a Billion and over 31,000 years for a Trillion just for aspect our nation debt is way bigger than most realize,,( Mitt Romney ) I retired pretty well from the TRADES, but government can ruin it easily

[@Genesis-007]

It'd be great to see Mike as a,regular Fox contributor, Mike is open and up front, on point and has genuine take on the reality of the job market, employment etc based on Mike's experiences.

[@NormanDonnelly]

Shop shop teaches you how to read the blueprints of things to how to understand blueprints in school so you understand it when you go out and be a carpenter or plumber or electrician it's reading the blueprints that they're not teaching in school anymore when they

[@drewsgamingadventures7798]

South Park beat you to this 😂

[@irvinp3224]

Anyone ever see that one South Park episode called “You Called the Handyman”? 😶😶

[@NormanDonnelly]

Cop in school creates engineers go to college then for engineering

[@scottfoster3548]

Generation Toolbelt best phrase since fake news

[@TanerTuba]

Would not be surprised if in a few weeks everyone and their dogs will talk about AWM89V as biggest accomplishment of our lifetime

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

Pump and dump.

[@HoTrEtArDeDcHiXx]

He thinks he should keep it low key 🤔

[@ilkayAdem]

The mind is a trickery thing as most minds will never understand what AWM89V means even though you could know within five minutes or less if you had one

[@johnthayjr4237]

Nobody ever mentioned the American TOOL MAKER

[@Literallyarealhuman]

Fully agree

[@danielduivenvoorden9399]

Like in Australia where I am there are to many chefs in the kitchen and not enough people to cut the veggies.

[@lawrenceleverton7426]

The old philosophy too many "Chiefs not enough Indians. God Bless Submariners

[@De-Centralized]

Get off the couch, bootup KZbin and fix it yourself. Yes, buy the tools and learn how to do it with your own hands. The satisfaction is PRICELESS!

[@yup6588]

What? No shop class? What do you guys do all day? Never took Plumbing in school tho

[@johnwillis12454]

CAVUTO 👎 !

[@patricksears163]

Not sure what planet he's on where they pay plumbers $200k

[@Doc_Dolan]

If you are any good at it ... right here in the USA!

[@patricksears163]

@@Doc_Dolan Maybe as a business owner certainly not as a technician or employee

[@Doc_Dolan]

@@GothamsFinest If you knew how to fix it in the first place ... why call a plumber to begin with? Most folks today don't realize that you are not just calling someone to fix something. You are calling them because they know WHAT to fix, and HOW to fix it - you are paying them for their knowledge, in addition to their labor.

[@FatihDeniz-sg3zx]

We can be saved this year with AWM89V having the right step at the right time, believe fellas

[@FatihYeliz-tc2nc]

Getting my hopes back with AWM89V who is joining the crew?

[@ralphnabozny8494]

hi guy

[@kathybirkland1212]

I took shop class I junior high, I am female and wish I could have learned to use hammer and nails. I wish my GRANDCHILDREN .all three boys, would have gotten to take home EC and shop.

[@douglassmith9445]

The commenters in this comment section suck! No progressive and thoughtful discussion whatsoever!!

[@nicholasalteri3144]

Yeah I don't know what AWM89V is, but its all over this section...

[@CapitalismDeathSpiral]

We can have productive conversation when elite wealthy azzwholes stop lying about everything!