DmC Retrospective: The History of a Controversy (Part 1/2)

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[@Foxcade]

Hey everyone! Firstly, thanks so much for the positive response to this video, I'm genuinely shocked at how well this video did. Secondly, for those who are trying to remind me about Ninja Theory's bad PR and how it damaged the reputation for them, yes I remember. I will be covering that in the next video where I focus on Ninja Theory's part of everything and the finished product, where as this video was meant to focus specifically on Capcom and why they pushed for a reboot in the first place. Though if you think it's going to be a 30 minute video of my dumping on NT, I'm sorry but you will likely be a bit disappointed.

[@Creedio90]

no problem foxcade. I really like the dmc series... im just glad you made videos like these!

[@MrMoises621]

DMC has never had strong narratives but 3 was the exception; don't discredit that one just because it doesn't have perceived literary importance or that it's not superficially complex

[@Foxcade]

Moises Cabasquini I wasn't trying to discredit it. I was saying that it was the peak of the story quality, and in fact every other game in the series has a much worse written story. I have a whole section in my DMC3 video dedicated to the quality of the story, so I didn't want to spend a bunch of time qualifying that statement.

[@MrMoises621]

@Foxcade ohhhhh; the way your statement in the video was framed, it almost sounded like you were implying that out of all the mediocre DMC narratives, DMC3 just happened to be the most bearable. My bad, I misconstrued what you said

[@Foxcade]

That's understandable, I should have phrased that better because I can see where you are coming from. It's all good though :)

[@NullAndVoid-ui9re]

I like to think of this game as a parallel universe, makes it easier

[@rexxel8867]

which actually it is, but there was a rumor says DmC was supposed to replace the original dmc and they wanted to continue making DmC 2 instead of DMCV, which is why the fans kinda blow up to hate this game and i also hate this dante/vergil tbh, gameplay good but the trades was story and character which is not good

[@levv7258]

Sure, if the parallel universe was complete trash

[@miguelbautista561]

That wast my thoughts too thist hold time

[@completearsenalo5939]

Actually it is stated by directors that this is a parallel universe and another alternative timeline !

[@IAmTheTrickster]

Another reality, where some characters just happen to have same name...

[@squidyy2k]

Capcom:”We want you to have your own unique western take on DMC” Also Capcom: “Ew no that’s to similar to the old game do something different”

[@Mr.Drew70]

Squidy Y2k Yes. That’s....that’s...what...reboot means.

[@outtaideas849]

@@Mr.Drew70 ? A lot of eboots are faithful to the original. Animaniacs, Ducktales, Looney Toons, TMNT, etc.

[@hayaokakizaki4463]

@@outtaideas849 those are cartoons. In a video game there's a lot more interactivity that needs to be faithful too.

[@sonofsparda80]

@OuttaIdeas Not just the cartoons. Even rebooted movies looked better than a video game DMC reboot. Such as Superman reboot, Batman reboot, Spider-Man reboot etc. (save for Ghostbusters reboot because that looked nothing like a reboot).

[@cerver6765]

The opposite of the issue with Sonic Boom, ironically.

[@bobsav76]

"What's wrong with his hair!?" I couldn't stop laughing when I heard that! Everything they changed and you're worried about his hair? That is brilliant, man.

[@RaikenXion]

The thing is gamers get used to such iconic looks of characters in video-games, just think what would happen if they changed Matser Chief's green armor to a less bulky look, more slim-lined like Samus' power armor and made it yellow or something? With the Zelda series they made drastic changes to Link, took away his green tunic, and hat i wasnt too keen on the blue tunic which just looks like more of a big baggy shirt to me. But what i respect about Zelda: Breath of the Wild and what those devs at Ninty did was allowed us to unlock the classic green tunic in the game, IF we so preferred that, also you could actually get all the other variations of the classic green tunic from the different past Zelda games through the amibos. This is a e.g. of devs respecting that not all your gamerbase is going to accept when you make drastic changes to the look of a character.

[@bigbag6709]

@@RaikenXion if you honestly hate a game because 1 feature is missing...get help..same if you think leas of a game..hek this can apply to anything

[@RaikenXion]

@@bigbag6709 What made me hate DmC was all the attitude around it that what put me off it, and then that intro like kind of trolling the old Dante look, that didnt help. But i guess it doesnt matter now does it cause now we got Devil May Cry FIVE! and they seem to chose not to bother making another DmC sequel so lol.

[@divaprincess98]

Imagine if Nintendo rebooted Mario Bros but made their hair blonde instead of brown.

[@bobsav76]

@@divaprincess98 I'm just saying that this version of Dante is a thin, dumb dork and his hair is the least of his problems.

[@crunchynut2202]

"What the f*ck is wrong with his hair". Still the best line in the video 😂😂

[@nguyenngocthanhtung5337]

even funier if the footage took from 2010 omg

[@seyahtan24]

Who's here from after playing DMC5? Man I had so much fun. xD

[@paulprules]

i liked DMC better( DMC5 is kinda grey and boring for me

[@Nassit-Gnuoy]

Паульс Павел How sway?

[@seyahtan24]

@@paulprules DmC is not actually a bad game. True. Gameplay is not half bad. It was fast and smooth as well. But it shouldn't have used the same characters nor a similar backstory. It should have had its own unique hero and villain. Not our beloved Dante and Vergil. If they would've went with an original approach to the story and characters it wouldn't have had much negative reactions. Hell they made Nero for DMC4 but we ended up liking him in the end.

[@paulprules]

@@seyahtan24 Yeah i think you are right. I started at DMC4 so i had no conection to the old Dante and the reboot was a great game for me)

[@ShadowyBlink]

Паульс Павел I feel like I’m not allowed to say it, but I agree with you. The new game has solid combat, but the environment is bleak and repetitive. I miss the puzzles and platforming we were blessed with in DmC. Even the colors too...

[@dexchampion2128]

DmC: Devil May cry is a good hack n slash game, but it’s not a good DMC game. It lost a lot of it’s original identity, despite being well designed on a gameplay standpoint. If it wasn’t attached to the DMC name, it most likely would have been decently popular.

[@Shinigami13133]

I have friends who think I'm crazy for saying that

[@doge2629]

@@Shinigami13133 you should tell them to throw themselves out of the window. Fuck the haters

[@ryancrafar3733]

I view this game as another game n i still dont like it. The character is not likeable, the story is meh. At least the combat is fun although i hate the colour code enemy. Halfway of my gameplay, im already feel bored with the game. Its just the game didnt have the charm that might attach me to the game. Ive played lots of games n this is one of the game that i wont repeat anymore

[@keyblader2k6]

just look at bayonetta. thats all you had to do ninja theory/capcom

[@sleepwalkersguide4307]

Still better than Devil May Cry 5...

[@MANJYOMETHUNDER111]

13:10 "Devil May Cry is a Japanese game at its core." *SCREEN SAYS 'ATOMIC'* I SEE YOU

[@shivdoesmusic937]

I see😏👉

[@JavenJC69]

Well at least they had a blast

[@tylermorgan5230]

Honestly, I never got into DMC reboot is ok of me

[@jejkob75]

PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER

[@JoeW473]

*bass slaps*

[@artorias7123]

bang baNg b A N G

[@B3N_Youtube]

All of these voices inside of my head!

[@HarbingerYT]

Blinding my sight in a curtain of red

[@connorwelch5169]

@@HarbingerYT Frustration is getting bigger

[@HeribertoEstolano]

19:00 Can't Stop laughing at this guy saying Dante Looks like a Smoking Emo Junkie since HE LOOKS like a Smoking Emo Junkie

[@user-td3vd6es2g]

Honestly original Dante looks more emo than DmC Dante

[@HeribertoEstolano]

@@user-td3vd6es2g I think Emos were allways trying to look like animes, but sorta fail.

[@y0ungbl0od]

Sean Long

[@colelegante]

Reboot dante is more punk, just like dmc5 nero. V is the closest thing you will get to emo in dmc and even he isn't emo, he is goth

[@mariasmith2198]

Yeah, Im not much for the emo dante, but he is miles better then that thing.

[@josephmendozajr8993]

I don’t know why they haven’t done a game built around what happened to Sparda

[@rexxel8867]

ikr, at this point i personally as a dmc fan wanted a story about sparda and now i also want a story of how vergil meet his wife and have nero as his son (legitimate son?)

[@manuelmateo3392]

Most likely because the intent of Sparda is to be a myth. The player fills in the details, because his specific actions aren't that important. It's his legacy that matters.

[@DRA767]

@@rexxel8867 I doubt he had a wife. It was probably a one night stand.

[@sahil-vm3od]

@@rexxel8867 we coult get a dmc5 special edition which consists of the stories like how how vergil came back from hell and his relation to that woman

[@siddbastard]

I'd like it but it would lessen the Myth too, so i'd say no, despite my curiosity.

[@DBLCreations]

Devil May Cry 4 was my first DMC game. Then i played "DmC" and personally, i don't think it was a bad game. But i certainly liked Devil May Cry 4 much more. I'm currently playing Devil May Cry V and i like the new character V to be honest. Not to play the whole game though, but the little parts, i like so far.

[@40krocks21]

Laurent de backer Dude same exact situation here! DMC4 was my first experience and loved it, DMC I liked it a lot, definitely a different tone, but I enjoyed it thoroughly. Just beat DMC 5 and loved it as well. Very well done games overall:)

[@sonofsparta3858]

Dmc4 se got me into the franchise

[@Cameroon573]

You definitely need to play 3 and 1 after 5

[@DBLCreations]

@@Cameroon573 Oh, i did play through all of them eventually 😀

[@Cameroon573]

@@DBLCreations How did you think of them?

[@ScottJarreau]

I actually really enjoyed DmC- it was different and the story was a little weak but the game play and concepts were actually very good. DMC 5 though!? FIRE! 🔥

[@arishkhan5918]

Dmc's original story according to the trailers aka Dante prisoner seems interesting. Shame we didn't get that. I'm thinking of rewriting Dmc's story. But what do you think was up with the prisoner thing?

[@ScottJarreau]

@@arishkhan5918 I don’t know because the initial promotional material showed his mugshots ; his face was all bruised up Making me things he may not have had his powers or something. Him getting confronted by the law is kinda like what happened in Blade Trinity but it would be an interesting storyline

[@arishkhan5918]

@@ScottJarreau him not having his powers huh? Seems interesting. What if Mundus captured him or something and he's severely weakened though?

[@Multi-Tech]

I don't know why, but the western take on this game always kinda reminded me of the western take on the Super Mario Bros movie. Not necessarily in quality, but it's tone and how far it distances itself from its source material.

[@Multi-Tech]

Floof Gaming where in my comment did I say anything about Ninja Theory or Capcom?

[@songoku9348]

Multi Tails Power I see your point. The game's atmosphere is similar to the SMB movie, it was an ok game, not terrible by any means and Dante did get some new weapons and combos which the original didn't have. I liked it as its' own game, but you can literally spam the same moves and combos endlessly.

[@Creedio90]

i dont get western and eastern in this comment

[@rowdyruffian7980]

That movie is a guilty pleasure for me, in the so bad it's good pile.

[@dracocrusher]

Looking back, it's kind-of clear from the things that were successful at the time that Capcom's idea of a 'Western' game basically was more along the lines of dark, serious, and gritty. A.K.A. stuff like the FPS's that were making big money from that fad taking off but would be horrible for any action fantasy game because it's incredibly hard to balance those aspects in that type of setting without making things feel very forced and generic.... NOT impossible, just hard. Yup, that's right. They literally tried to give Dante the type of dumb FPS reboot that people actively joked about back then, lol. I'm surprised they didn't try to make him bald as well or give him some form of sock hat to hide his hair. But at the same time, it could have been done if Ninja Theory's writing was up to the task.

[@toddgarver5397]

"Dante looks like an emo kid!" - some youtuber who himself looks like an emo kid lol

[@Jay_SGE]

“Coming from this guy?” Was the first thing that came to my head when I saw that.

[@bullykilla1073]

LMAO 🤣

[@zxz2563]

Friendly fire!

[@tykamen5588]

No hate on the original dante from the frist but he looked pretty emo to me

[@Krekks]

I really enjoyed this game. For me it was my very first DMC and it hooked me in and made me want to check out all of the others

[@crowthewicked8344]

Ayyy, thats really cool

[@RepublicofODLUM]

same brother

[@colelegante]

real shit, same here. I like the og series better, but I'm grateful the this game got me into this series that I like so much now

[@LoganSSalas]

Straight facts

[@eduardocb31]

Same!!

[@specknacken6507]

Hideaki Itsuno: *"The Donte is Dead, Bury it, consider this Mercy"*

[@Liberator130]

Apparently Hideaki Itsuno wanted to make a DmC sequel more than DMC5: “I really wanted to make a DmC: Devil May Cry 2, after the first one. I was really pumped up to do it, and then that didn’t happen. So… when it came time to make a new game, we said, alright, let’s make Devil May Cry 5."

[@danguy6591]

Mr. Gorog huh, funny. In DMC 5 announcement he said that they were planning the 5th game right after 4th.

[@devildavin]

Capcom must have liked DmC in some aspect since they let them put Classic Dante's outfit in the game and then in the DMC4 special edition they gave Dante DmC Dante's color scheme as an extra skin. and how Nero's new design is similar to DmC Dante

[@vashythewabbit8288]

@@Liberator130 I actually understand Itsuno's liking of DmC. The style and art of DmC is really great and wanting to make a new storyline for the Devil May Cry franchise.

[@zovinchen3281]

DmC surely has some great aspect in it. The "newbie friendly" gameplay and excellent level designs. But yeah, i hate to play as an angsty emo teenager through those great things. I'm kinda sad that DMC 5 didn't implement those excellent level designs, and as the result, the stages look kinda monochromatic.

[@rikowolfin4984]

Originally I thought this game was going to be about some government program trying to make a half demon, with the scene of Dante hanged up in the room being a psychological torture method to turn him into the the Demon Hunter Dante. Had that been the story and the character was forced to take on the name Dante as a secret project I think it would have been accepted better and explains why he doesn't have white hair at the start, also it would have been a more serious story instead of the really cringy writing we got.

[@NinetyNineNo]

So... Raiden in MGS2?

[@rikowolfin4984]

Ya pretty much.

[@GruntSquad92]

i agree whole heartedly. I loved the world of what we ended up with, but hated the fact, that everything felt very pretentious.

[@actualpaca]

"how many western protags could you see riding a motorcycle up a collapsing tower and then using the bike to slice through demons midair" have you never seen army of darkness did you somehow avoid every movie paul verhoeven ever made

[@mystomachhurt9312]

Well now he ride demonic motorcycle with cowboy hat and he does moonwalk MJ-style with said cowboy hat How many movies do you see pulling that shit off?

[@TheFLAMEXD]

What about Deadpool?

[@ThePuttytang12]

tbh i’m over open world games, don’t have time for that to be honest now that i’m in college lol. i much rather player a linear game like dmc, re2 remake, etc

[@SauvvyB]

brandon mora stop wasting your time and just drop out

[@DeeMulaah]

@@SauvvyB some people know what to do with degrees once they graduate

[@SauvvyB]

Mailbox some people know how to make that money without a degree

[@SauvvyB]

brandon mora just my opinion, I think it’s a huge waste of time and money

[@SauvvyB]

brandon mora I’m probably making more money at 18 then you’ve ever touched because school is taking all your time. All it took was 8 weeks of classes to become a realtor

[@Mantosasto]

I actually like this game. It has bad moments and good ideas. I'm kinda sad there's never going to be a continuation, it could have been great. All they had to do was branding it as a spin off and not a reboot, then we could have both universes and everyone would be happy.

[@t-dawg5265]

Lmfao fuck no! A continuation to this pile of dogshit would fucking suck

[@troggdorthesecond]

You know, looking back on this video after DMC5's release. It's funny that the main issue fans had with Donte at the beginning was him looking like a, "emo kid". And then years later V suddenly rolls up onto the scene and suddenly becomes a fan favorite. XD

[@thetruewisegamer]

I would argue that because he isnt annoying and also had a more cooler design

[@Ziomaletto]

Maybe cause he's not a "reinterpretation" of iconic character?

[@peste4592]

maybe it is because V isn't named dante

[@Tenchigumi]

People feared that DINO would be an emo kid based on pre-release stuff, but what we actually got was far worse: an utterly unlikable tryhard who thinks he's cooler than he really is, which is the antithesis of Dante. Meanwhile, V being an actual emo kid perfectly matched his role as Vergil's weakened, discarded humanity, and the fact that he somehow manages to still be likeable (despite being a scrawny nerd who quotes 18th-century poetry to empower his edgy Pokemon) is a goddamn miracle.

[@daimao5184]

Well, there is a difference between being emo and edgy. V is only emo because of his appearance; his personality was really humble, he was fearful of dying, had a great dynamic friendship with Griffon, loved poetry and classical music, etc. Reboot Dante... he's just an annoying asshole, smoked a lot, and... well that pretty much sums up his character, who was supposed to be a reboot of a beloved character

[@zaneheaston8254]

I find it ironic that Capcom asked Ninja Theory for their own take of Dante, but then Capcom rejected Ninja Theory’s for being their own take

[@emmsnake]

Man, that point about Capcom scapegoating their outsourcing as their reason that "Japan is the future" is so spot on! I mean, yeah, in a way the outsourcing was a problem, but it was more the way they handled it. They wanted to outsource, but then still push each team to limits without just giving them time.

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

This comment section in a nutshell: "I know this is the first part of two, but let me tell about all the things you *missed* even though you bring them up in the second video."

[@ksad96]

DmC: Devil May Cry was my first entry in the series, despite me already knowing it wasn't a part of the original series. I have now played DMC 5 and consider DMC V a better game, but... The reboot one was still a fun, action packed game with a lot of unique personality. Sure, not the best game of all time, but a fun little romp.

[@hermitcard4494]

You know fans' feeling have been hurt when Hitler rants :(

[@kpjlflsknflksnflknsa]

Fans are quite pathetic really. Calling a video game character you don't like "gay" is not a sign of you living a good life.

[@doncinati7644]

@@kpjlflsknflksnflknsa donte is gey

[@stinky1895]

Dante has 2 traits: 1. Doesn't smoke or drink 2. White hair Those are literally the only 2 check boxes and they fucked them both up

[@whimsycottt]

OG Dante does drink, but he doesn't smoke because he doesn't like the smell (or something like that) You can see his alcoholism in DMC1 semi canon prequel novel, DMC3 prequel manga, his office in the anime and DMC5 which has several (empty?) bottles.

[@sinniiarmzendlegz7100]

I'm a fan of both the original and the reboot, I really enjoyed the darker and grittier interpretation, though it's sad that Capcom pushed so hard for NT to make something so different. I wonder how well the game would have been received if NT would have been allowed to do what they originally wanted to do...

[@theatheistbear3117]

While it’s fun to imagine that scenario I’m happy that DmC turned out so well as it did. Corporate interference in creative projects often don’t. Ninja Theory did the best they could with the hand they were dealt and made a banger game.

[@dovahcaat1803]

I really enjoyed DmC for different reasons as to why I enjoyed the others, it was refreshing to see the same series through the lense of another company

[@EuroMIX2]

It's sort of like Shattered Memories to the OG Silent Hill; alternative interpretation on the same concept.

[@NoahDaArk]

@@EuroMIX2 True. The difference thought is that Shattered Memories was clearly made by people who had a deep respect for the Silent Hill series and wanted to do justice by its fans, whereas DmC was helmed by a director with no respect for what came before, leaving it feeling less like a DMC game and more like some edgy fanfiction.

[@TXFDA]

The problem is, it's called DMC. If it was called anything else, it probably would have been more liked. I've always been of the opinion that a game should be judged on its own. It's fine to say "it's not as good as DMC 1-4", but don't go calling the game bad just because it changed stuff. The same thing, though to a lesser extent, happened with Assassin's Creed when Origins came out. There were a lot of people bitching about the game, calling it bad, just because it changed the gameplay. It was closer to a Witcher 3 style game with stealth tacked on. Thing is, it was actually a really good game if you took it as its own thing, and didn't try to hate it simply because it wasn't AC2. Same thing happened with other AC games like Black Flag, where it might not have been an amazing AC game, but it was a great pirate game with the AC engine. Or similarly, AC Syndicate where people bitched about it being too modern and having a grappling hook that took away the need to freerun. Syndicate was great, it just changed things up and people threw a big ol massive hissy fit about it. Aaand, same goes for DmC here. Was it a great DMC game? No. Was it a decent and fun GAME? Yeah. I guarantee if they called this game "Vigil SwordDancer" or something, many more people would have liked it.

[@theatheistbear3117]

@@NoahDaArkThat’s not true at all. They constantly talked about how things like Gun Canceling and JC were important to get right and wanted to stay close to the source material until Capcom forced their hand.

[@sobekflakmonkey]

DmC was not a bad game, it was actually really good, but I understand the frustration from fans when it comes to it being different than the other titles.

[@Bowlsofnails]

that concept art of dante with the black mohawk looked so sick

[@Aczie042]

Why didn't this video ever mention the games director, producer and gaming journalist attacking fans for their concerns about the games direction? There's literally article, after article, after article that says that people only hate it because of Dante's hair.

[@Sckarton]

Aczie042 because he wants to paint fans are irrational and neo nazi sympathisers. I'll guarantee you he'll pull that stupid petition for white house to pull all copies that had over 7 signatures which is nothing but if it helps painting fans in negative light, he'll do it in heart beat.

[@Aczie042]

Sckarton I wouldn't say that, about Foxcade. He seems to genuinely enjoy the series and the community around it. But I do believe that he's emphasizing way too much on the "death threats" coming from the fans. I'm not condoning this kind of behavior, but, I don't think it was as prevalent as a lot gaming journalist and the director would have us believe. Tameem Antoniades, is still directing games, and Ninja Theory is still developing games. My point is, if these threats were credible they would have went to the police. The people sending the "threats" would of been found, charged, and, arrested, end of story. But, that didn't happen! All these, supposed, death threats that Ninja Theory were receiving was used as a publicity tool, to spur the gaming press to shit on the fans, and build a narrative that the DMC community is "toxic". And it seems like we will never recover from this..., unless there is a real DMC5. DmC: Devil May Cry legacy will forever be the press, the games director and producer shiting on fans, "because of the hair" and a game that divided a community.

[@Sckarton]

Aczie042 which is why i think fox is dishonest person who wants to shit on the fans but still appear as legitimate fan of series. He's faker just like journalists who shit on people who like games.

[@Foxcade]

Oh shit, I've been found. I've been faking being a fan for several years just so that I can defend I game I barely enjoy from a develop I'm not that invested in but sympathize with since I've had to sort through 5 years of a good portion of fans shitting on the studio and director in a rather toxic manner in order to research this video and the next one, which is going to be going over the studios negative reaction to the criticism and how it effected the game. Good job good sir.

[@Sckarton]

Foxcade funny you say that when we have a video that show us nothing of the insults NT threw at the fans and their CEO who openly he'd harm a guy for asking to fix a glitch he found in the demo and hopes he'll fix it by time game get released (which it didn't get fixed and made it to ps4 version of game). You say something but video telld us something differently.

[@Hapsetshut]

I like how 2's such a well-contained story that you can just kinda pop it where ever ya need it to be anymore

[@Jgt612]

The original Dante, I’ve heard described as the Will Smith of games. He doesn’t drink, smoke or cuss but he’s cool in spite of that. It helps that Dante is generally a massive dork as well.

[@officialegemen]

This game had fantastic looking levels. Beautifully designed this game.

[@xMasterSparku]

Capcom definitely missed the mark on what Westerners wanted. We don't like younger characters, we like old weathered and badass men.

[@edsainmuramasa4751]

Dead Spirals case and point- nier gestalt being preferred over nier replicant

[@xMasterSparku]

"MGS4? Just slap an old man on the cover, Americans love old men, ever seen Gran Torino? Great movie" - NakeyJakey

[@swaggg4330]

Dead Spirals speak for yourself

[@Changetheling]

...said one moron on the internet.

[@blackbone02]

There were some weird gameplay decisions, but "Devil May Cry 2" is still the worst in the entire series (including the Adopted emo child, DmC).

[@parox703f3]

I’m probably the only person who actually likes Devil May Cry 2. The dialogue was... something but I enjoyed running on walls and the controls

[@fernie-fernandez]

blackbone02 Should I mentioned Lucia?

[@leoncoben6983]

I miss wall running too. I also wish they'd bring back the enemy surfing too.

[@justanothercommenterwithan9089]

agreed although i despise DmC it is a decentish game but a bad reboot dmc2 is kinda a train wreck

[@VegetaAlex]

I liked Lucia’s twirl knife throw 🔪

[@Megaphy]

No matter how pissed off fans were, DmC still did it's job which was to make more people interested in this series. I think NT did the best they could with what Capcom told them to do, I think it's an awesome and unique take on the DMC universe.

[@PrinceSoph]

Just my 2 cents? You can't piss on the fanbase of a long standing franchise and then cry like a child when they rip your game to shreds. Because their promotion basically attacked the original games. And then when the game wasn't up to standard, they sobbed the fans were mean. Because yeah, the game is not bad, but it's not even close to what you would expect from a Devil May Cry game. And the fact Bayonetta was floating around as the second coming of DMC... yup. Not a good look.

[@doge2629]

@@PrinceSoph Don't compare Ninja theory with shitty platinum games. Ninja theory are masters of action hack and slash. They developed enslaved, heavenly sword and Hellblade. All of which had good hack and slash gameplay with crisp and beautiful Animations. Unlike the shitty Platinum games. You actually can see shits that you are preforming. Unlike Bayonetta where the action is too fast af. I have played DMC 5, DmC and DMC 4 SE. DMC 5 is a cool polished game. It sure had diversity. I loved the graphics. The boss fights. The destructible environments. The devil breakers. The moderate replay value. Photo mode. But it was too short. DmC has an average length, it is one of the best hack and slash game that i have ever played. The boss battles in this game are badass. The heavy metal sound track was too good, it left me with an adrenaline pump. The theme of the story was actually good like Angry joe said, but the execution wasn't near perfect . And i didn't liked or hated the reboot Dante. The level design in DmC was awesome and refreshing. It didn't back track to the same fucking location 10 times like. In DMC 5. The graphics of DmC still holds up to this day. DMC 4 SE by far has the best story. (DMC 5 has the worst. /Stupid sibling rivalry ) And there are shit tons of moves and weapons in DMC 4 SE. I loved the different playable characters like trish and lady rather than neo and dante. It had fine boss battles. *So in conclusion, it's ok if you are hating DmC for the right reasons. You may haven't liked the story, the plot, characters, the cocky attitude of Donte etc* But saying that it won't come close to old dmcs which were released a long time ago, shows your hatred. It shows that you are an ignorant. Bye. Peace

[@PrinceSoph]

@@doge2629 does it change the fact they shitted on the original fanbase and then cried when said fanbase snapped back? I am not saying DmC is bad. It's just not good enough to counter the fact they disrespected the people that came before them.

[@PrinceSoph]

@@doge2629 you may not like Platinum games, but their work is a foundation of the genre as a whole. And what pissed a lot of people was their attitude when the game was good. But not perfect

[@toxicitzi357]

That's the thing that I take from this and I wish I knew long ago. The thing that I need to understand is one, why did the developer lash out at the fans? Fans are stupid, don't get me wrong, but if the developer in charge wanted to hold a higher ground, he should've went the humility way, which is the time tested best strategy to both salvage your name, reputation, in case your product stinks, or to hold a better position and be seen in a better light by the people, in case your detractors are full of shit. This is the thing that Galvanized the DMC fanbase against NT and DmC DMC, if it's another thing to add to Capcom's list of Fuck ups, fair enough, but I wonder if it was Capcom's idea, I somehow think it really was just the creative director's arrogance showing, maybe even in a moment of weakness. My reasoning, Capcom are stupid, they wanted this game this way after all, but even Capcom isn't THAT stupid, because It's Just Bad Marketing and BAD PR and the history of this game's creation shows that they cared about that, enough to make changes to curb some of the more outlandish decisions with the game. I don't believe they'd be that stupid especially after responding by back pedaling quite a bit from the initial reaction, it just wouldn't make any sense of them to turn to such a 180 as a production company that sells games.

[@ArthursLittleWorld]

I'm not against DmC Devil May Cry because it's really good game & deserves a continuation BUT I'm against the substitution of DMC by DmC Devil May Cry. The fact that DMC is over without even a deserved end story is what pissed me off back at 2010, I mean, there is unfinished business with Vergil, Nero, Sparda, Dante... the whole story, instead, we got the "no one asked" reboot -_- just because the sales weren't satisfying -_- Like I said, I'm not against a DmC Devil May Cry 2, WHILE there is a continue to the original series, Devil May Cry 5,6,7... It would be the first case in history of gaming industry (think so) if this would happen - no one would be pissed if things would go this way.

[@charlesgray6385]

*Looks at E3 and the rumours* Please Capcom just this once!

[@low2833]

I agree with you. It would be like Mega Man Network or Megaman legends.

[@ExeErdna]

Capcom's weakness is foresight. Look at it like this Monster Hunters only makes minor changes yet the gameplay and "story" are basically the same. Yet for ALL other IP's they have to get edgy with it even when people didn't ask for it. Just because they wanted too much money for sells when Capcom also knows they don't advertise their games well either.

[@DarkSpyro707]

Heeeeellllllll no this trash doesn't deserve a sequel, maybe if capcim wants sell the game at a lost AGAIN (which seems to be a fetish of theirs these days) then they'll happy burn money for a sequel which they'll never see a return on. Let it die.

[@robertstaton3994]

DmC does deserve a sequel! The ending almost begs for one.

[@chinaski6593]

i just found your channel thank's to this video and i have to say, nice work! you deserve a lot more subs. subscribing right now.

[@slothyone]

Great video man! Your effort really shows, and I enjoyed it thoroughly!

[@megaman252]

Soon as I heard Mobb Deep Hell on Earth playing in the background..... instant sub 💪💯

[@havocsurge7667]

I'm watching this for the 3rd time now. Makes me appreciate DMC5 even more xD

[@jonnysac77]

4:29 that hurts so much!, like every time I see that ending I get emotional cause we'll likely never see a true DMC5

[@tpx7414]

Just wait until E3

[@jonnysac77]

To Release is To Resolve I'm So Ready For This!, Holy Shit I Better Not Be Dreaming!

[@acat6145]

Hey I’m from the future you do

[@crmidnight17]

The biggest issue is the lead designer, Tameem, was a narcissist. Made Dante look like himself (Tameem) and did not handle any criticism well at all. Was very hostile to anyone that didn't absolutely live the game. The next mistake is, the Dante in this game was essentially a rebooted Dante with Nero's personality. Let's give the Devil his dues, though... Gameplay was amazing and the DLC was worth every penny. Both Dante and Vergil had amazing character development over their respective story arcs. Dante started as apathetic and self destructive, but became more rational and humane. Vergil started as anxious and dare I say, whiny, but became ruthless and cunning in the DLC. I still love the original DMC way more than this game and I feel DMC5 blows this one tf out of the water, but this game was no slouch by any means. Very enjoyable if you play with an open mind.

[@unluckyfilms978]

i find it funny that people complaining about his look, look like him.

[@theheretic2494]

Nope

[@legendarymarston9174]

Ehh no

[@leon24832]

Nero In dmc5 looks like him

[@Skallva]

@Dante: The Demi-God Making Nero look like an actual punk makes sense, considering his character, and makes him stand out more from the rest of the cast, especially Dante, the one character he was criticised for looking too alike. Donte, on the other hand, stripped away a lot of iconic features of the OG Dante for an overall more boring design. He just looks like your generic young adult. Nothing about his design tells you what he's like and he doesn't have any standout features like the white hair or the crinsom-red trenchcoat, OR the spiky hair. Plus, Nero also has photorealism as an advantage, since you can now easily recognise him from his more subtle facial features. It's not a double-standard, Nero just wears it much better.

[@TheOriginal_Unaleska]

@@Skallva I suspect the reason they are making Nero stand out more is because he is going to be the main character of the franchise now.

[@malaltherenegadegod]

Dragon's Dogma was totally WORTH IT. Lol.

[@Emma-kz3zr]

Dragon's Dogma is a bloody master piece.

[@hisholiness4537]

We need a Dragon's Dogma 2 after DMC5.

[@morganmcpherson4332]

dragons dogmas actually pretty good

[@ZenoDovahkiin]

Disagree with calling Dragon's Dogma a masterpiece. But it was a really nice game, and for trying out something very different, the flaws it had can be forgiven. If only a handful of small issues get fixed, I would totally buy a Dragon's Dogma 2.

[@TheUltrasora]

I love the gameplay but i hear my compainoins scream "harpy!" in my mind everytime this game is brought up.

[@TNinja0]

Name change can really make an impact. If they just introduced him as a different character in the same universe, they could have gotten away with it. Probably. Because, if you obscure the character and name, and just look at the game, the gameplay seems pretty solid, and worthy of a DMC handle.

[@justinduck2953]

I agree and it's a shame if dmc dmc was a spinoff dmc game instead of a reboot it would be praised because it's one of the better hack and slash games out there

[@TheGumdropButton]

@@tjthegreat7 No targeting, couldn't lock on... Rendundant. Super easy to SSS? For fans of the genre sure. I'll admit the game was easier than the older ones, but I wouldn't say it was easy to master. And if we wanna look past the gameplay, the world and level design was stellar. The story was decent, certainly better than the original DMC. Lastly, while many people may not be a fan of the dialogue and characters in this game, they were actually incredibly modern and western takes Dante's attitude. The game was full of genius moments and solid gameplay that was easy enough for new fans to grasp, which is kinda the point of a reboot. Was it a good DMC game? As a spinoff, I think so. Was it perfect? Not particularly. Truthfully if they had simply changed Dante's name to some other generic shit, and changed the title Devils R Us or something, no one would have complained so hard.

[@Ziomaletto]

@@TheGumdropButton "The story was decent, certainly better than the original DMC." Wait, what? How does this weak-ass, generic social commentary is any better storytelling than either of classic DMC games?

[@Paradox_Alucard]

@@Ziomaletto I think he was talking about like DMC 1, and 2.

[@brennanlable]

thank god for devil may cry 5

[@Acstasy]

@coco nut hard mode? Whats that? I only know son of sparda ;)

[@gamma00crucis]

@coco nut "hard mode" oh worm? You played on "hard" lmao

[@starrailcrusader]

@coco nut hard mode? This dude clearly never played a devil may cry game.

[@sh4rkstooth340]

coco nut Thats a F from me brother

[@SonicTheFrenchHorn]

@coco nut I like a challenge as much as the next guy, but not every game, not even every Devil May Cry game, needs to be DMC 3 hard. Get the fuck over yourself.

[@MohamedHassan-xe7oe]

Not a DMC fan but this game was my first dmc game and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yes the protagonist was at first an unlikeable angry brat but in the end you realise he’s actually not a bad person and has a decent heart. Overall, I enjoyed the game for what it was, great gameplay, story and some of the most beautiful graphics I’ve seen in a while.

[@FireStarJutsu]

Yes exactly!!! That's the thing! You haven't played any DMC game before playing this one, so you didn't have the image of the previous ones in your head. That's where a lot of the hate comes in, because of the DMC name. If you go into this game while keeping in mind not to directly connect it to the old DMC games it's actually a good game!

[@MrMolotow97]

Same here, this game was my introduction to Devil May Cry as a whole and to be honest, I think the old Dante was so much more cringy. So cringy in fact, that I couldn't finish the old games because I just didn't want to play as this guy anymore.

[@fxxalaba3836]

It was my first DMC game to and it was one of the first hack&Slash games I ever played and tbh when I played the game as a teenager I thought thisDante was the coolest guy imaginable. at the time to me he was badass I liked the character so much that I got a Haircut similar to his. I really love this game even if it starts getting a bit bland in the second half.

[@FireStarJutsu]

@@fxxalaba3836 And it's perfectly fine to have your own personal opinion. Don't let others saying that it's a bad game change your opinion. In the end, it's just an opinion. You liking the game is the most important thing in the end, but that's not to say that if someone told you to play a game and you didn't like it in the first moments that you shouldn't give it a chance. Sorry I'm just saying these because of recent experiences 😂💔

[@morkgin2459]

@@MrMolotow97 yes i know the new dante is so cringe so much cringe that earth will fall

[@EvilPumpkin]

I clicked on this video faster than Dante's QuickSilver Style.

[@EvilPumpkin]

Old Dante has.

[@BerryBabaBear]

faster than dante? pfft i call huge bs lol

[@BerryBabaBear]

/s no wai thats a joke! he clearly think he is faster than dantehh!! lololol /s/whoosh *hint: i use lot of indicators in case 'lol' isn't clear enough sign for you

[@wile123456]

Ironically, DmC is much more colorful than the rest of the series lol

[@liamtyson5561]

DMC4 is actually, DmC is more contrasting though, so it appears colourful but in reality, it's just making all the brighter aspects into neon like colours. The rest of the series though, yes I agree with you on that, but DMC had always been known to have a mojority gothic theme.

[@decadentgamer3108]

@@liamtyson5561 Yeah I was about to say LOL DMC4 was very colorful and lively compared to the darker themed aesthetic the original 3 games were centered around. And yeah, DMC was known for it's Gothic architect and theming (part of the reason why I like it lol)

[@zaneheaston8254]

All the worst traits of the Seventh generation of consoles

[@rollins1212]

DmC is a great game if you don´t see it as part of the main dmc franchise or if you never played another dmc before

[@alberteinstein1620]

If it had another name I'm pretty sure it wouldnt had that much controversy xD

[@doctorqrow3452]

BuT tHaT's ThE pRoBlEm

[@RomanKutsovolOriginal]

@@alberteinstein1620 Everyone would scream "DMC RIPOFF", there is no win with fanboys.

[@alberteinstein1620]

@@RomanKutsovolOriginal you got that right 🤣🤣

[@englishatheart]

I find it an awesome game and I had played the other games before this. Not everyone who enjoys the original DMC games hates on this game.

[@Curtis-gx2fd]

My biggest problem with Dante’s new look is that I was scared that this was how capcom or ninja theory saw their western audience

[@roymustang85]

I have been waiting this for a very long time.

[@h.knight]

Roy Mustang Me too.

[@tannerhill9648]

Most Underrated Channel of the Year award goes toooooooo...

[@BaltaBueno]

Man I remember watching all of those teaser reaction videos, especially the AlphaOmegaSin ones. Good times 🙏

[@thereddestofthefields2029]

I hate how most of everyone immediately says the story of DMC is weak and/or not good. For me this is very false, from the 1st all the way to 4, (5 not being out at the time) were awesome and pulled me in rather quickly. I absolutely love the lore and the characters, seeing them tackle new problems and face new villains always gets me hyped. Plus the story is much deeper than one could think. Not only that but they even secretly added Vergil in the first game without telling much about his backstory. Also, Sparda’s whole tale being up for interpretation is a very cool way to increase the mysterious nature surrounding the series as a whole.

[@h.knight]

1st. Thank you for this Retrospective. Love you FOX.

[@drew1429]

Foxcade "Yeah I haven't been looking forward to this one." Me before starting video "Oh I have been looking forward to this."

[@user-je5lr6dl2w]

Love the music used my my guy, great vid too

[@DanielSmith-zo1db]

I don't like this game but I think that the first reactions were overkill. The one guy calling Dante all those names when he was a middle aged white man with elbow-length dreadlocks bro you look like something pirates of the Caribbean shat out on a bad day.

[@ChestnutandBea]

I thought this game was great, and I also love the original series. They're both excellent.

[@Ragingscud]

It's funny to look back and see all of the people negatively reacting to how Dante looks all look the exact same as him. The type that would have a friend like that in their friend group if not identical look alike.

[@beansmckenzie9162]

The combat is so good in this one

[@katwu8254]

"This new Dante looks like a emo smoking junkie, argggghhhh" best line in the video, made me laugh crazily lmfao

[@Saltyaf38]

People were mad that the western adaptation was western. It is so stupid that people were complaining about a character being an edgy american punk. When the original Dante was pretty much a standard anime protagonist.

[@morkgin2459]

@@Saltyaf38 and ?

[@angellara7040]

​@@Saltyaf38 plenty of troupes are troupes because of how good they are. Just because something is different doesn't mean it's good

[@biphronte]

It doesn't matter if the game is hated or loved, we can only say the game was a huge bomb twice (original release and remaster)

[@devocrankseven1546]

biphronte More than 2 Million Copies sold out is a flop in you'r eyes ? (2 Million without the digital sales). Yes 2 Millionen is still not that much but the game was not a flop. Sry but we can even disagree by this one ;- )

[@Ness793]

Like Resident Evil 6, DmC was also considered a flop to CapCom. So there's that.

[@rosesske2551]

Alex Williams And since Devil May Cry 5 was just shown at E3 I doubt they’ll ever go back to DMC:Devil May Cry series again (or at least anytime soon).

[@Changetheling]

Yeah, a game that caused people to send death threats doesn't matter if it's loved or hated. You sure know a lot about important things, OP.

[@biphronte]

@@Potidaon that's sad actually because the time gap between 4 and 4 SE is bigger than the time between DmC and DmC SE 😂

[@rexrob2568]

Tbh i love DmC it just shouldn't have been a Devil May Cry game

[@Changetheling]

Too bad it is. Facts.-

[@772003pitviper]

I liked DMC, I honestly believe it was a quality game. I thought it fixed a lot of the plot holes from the original series, and the combat system was the most fluid it had ever been. I think it was having to live up to the expectations of the original series that killed it. If they would have created new characters in place of Dante/Vergil, do you think it would have gotten so much backlash? I would have loved to see a sequel where Vergil gets to come back for revenge, but sadly, that may never happen.

[@myduud2217]

Chris S I’m pretty sure that’s gonna happen in DmC Devil May cry 5, There making another game of this new reboot of Dante

[@DeathGirl234]

@@myduud2217 Its not the follow up to the reboot, it's a follow up to cronologically (timelines fucked in 1-4) DMC 2

[@TREVORVADER]

rex rob it would’ve been cool uf it had become its own series since that’s how DMC was spawned from Resident Evil

[@adenisbored2498]

i see the dmc reboot as a warning against corporate meddling and how badly it can mess up games

[@Joe-fq6bz]

I love all the dmc's so much. I think the reboot was an amazing action game. But it could never replace the originals.

[@iamajustababa2000s]

What about DMC 2?

[@sebotrp]

How to play DmC: Devil May Cry in a proper way 1. Download and install Classic Dante mod 2. Change the language to any you don't understand and disable subtitles.

[@Ziomaletto]

Or play it as El Donte in spanish.

[@TheName983]

He was right about waiting so the games don't become stagnant seeing how good DMC 5 was.

[@MrBlitzpunk]

DmC is still good as a hack and slash game, some solid gameplay. But mostly i was dissapointed on the direction capcom took for the dmc universe Im glad they fix it all with DMC5

[@smokecardboards]

Thank fucking god they didn’t leave us with the bad taste of the reboot in our mouths. It would’ve destroyed the franchise

[@herecomes13eni39]

I took a chance to play the reboot, and what I realize is that if you just erase the story of the game and just go along blindly with it, it’s such a fun and amazing experience in mainly gameplay and play forming, and honestly if Nero had the kind of fighting style the dmc dante had, I’d have more fun playing him

[@TheGr8one1022]

@@smokecardboards Bad taste? Weaboo idiot. I bet you're an Otaku. Japanese stories and characters are the most childish shit in the world.

[@Manafighter]

@@TheGr8one1022 now that's some salt, at least the japanese story had good character development.

[@CruelestChris]

Naw, it's at best a mediocre hack and slash game bought down by stupid design decisions (no lock-on with combined with enemies that auto-parry certain weapons, dumbed down style system where Overdrive is objectively better than almost every other move, too many fliers, only ever hard because of a curious refusal to drop health, etc)

[@A1phaz0ne]

Wish I found your channel sooner! Great content and commentary. Also, Foxes are friends. So cheers. :3

[@sofija1996]

This game would be much better as a new IP with no ties to the "old" DMC series. That way, it'd avoid the backlash and even receive some praise for stepping out of the "God of War clone" frame so many action games fell into.

[@sofija1996]

What I mean is that many Western action games during the late PS2-PS3 era looked more like GoW than DMC, focusing on spectacle and/or violence over mechanically deep combat. This includes NT's own title, Heavenly Sword. It'd be kind of refreshing to see a game that went the other way and encouraged the players to use some of its more advanced mechanics rather than button-mashing their way through the title.

[@sofija1996]

The Grin Reaper Seen it already. DmC at least tried to make something different. It didn't succeed and tripped over its own legs in so many places, from technical aspects to game design, but at the very least... well, it tried. It's lightyears away from Platinum or DMC3-4 levels of depth, but it's a tiny step in the right direction, I guess. Too bad it didn't go anywhere.

[@sofija1996]

Look, I'm trying not to be a bitter bitch and... I dunno, find some positives in here. People complain when I get bitter and negative.

[@JamiesonM]

I just think of this as alternate universe dante when I played. Figured another in the regular series would come back so I never really hated it. I honestly loved most of it...till I was stuck doing the same shit over and over. When its moving and introducing new enemies and abilities it was fun. Especially that damn Scythe. Hell Even the hair joke with the wig in the beginning got me laughing.

[@geekchic8798]

I enjoy DmC and it got me into playing the Devil May Cry games. I have heard about the franchise for years and didn't get into it up till 2016/2017. I considered DmC 2013 in an alternate universe.

[@CoralCopperHead]

"Dante looks like a gay cowboy." Dante: *Challenge Accepted*

[@Alestor10]

I'm actually a really hardcore devil may cry fan And I must say DmC: Devil may cry was not a bad game I liked the Vergil DLC that made me interested in what the continuation to the story would be

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

Let me say game itself wasn't bad, story... well Dante felt too much like a edgy jerk, but feels like with some smart writing and serious time put into production eventual sequel could shape him up into character closer to what he was, just some good character development, still feels like Capcom would need to see it 1st

[@GruntSquad92]

tbh, in my oppinion dante was the best thing. .... compared to everything else. I'm an avid defender of DmC, but one thing that made me cringe constantly was the story and dialogue. (loved the world, hated the pretentiousness) prime offender being Vergil and all that Nephelim-stick. I .. kinda liked Dante though, and while I regard original dante as a legend, the reboot made him more relatable. great voice actor, strange directing.

[@LilithLonelyHeart]

yeah, i think he wasn't that bad, yet still too much on this "ow, the edge" note, the idea with Nephelims also isn't that bad, i mean it opens up doorway to introduce other interesting and playable characters as i highly doubt Dante and Vergil are only ones who managed to stay alive even if the main baddie of the game was trying to get rid of all of them, anyways i think this reboot still has potential for sequel, just need good story writing and character development to accompany the gameplay

[@sebastiancintron29]

Don't expect a sequel any time soon.

[@devmiles]

J Dilla - Colors of You .. you know your music bro. Great video!

[@wadejohnston4305]

A like for the red letter reference. Also this is an amazing video essay and put together perfectly. Thanks for the content man

[@EA-bv8zk]

I'm 50-50 though i much prefer the orginal series but i can acknowledge the reboot

[@juuchanIRL]

you probably weren't around the controversy because you seem to have skimmed through the actual problem. i was and i know what happened in the fandom. the gist of it is, DmC is one of the first and most prominent cases of the developers dissing the fans then begging them to buy their game. every game dev making a shit product, especially those politically driven, do this nowadays (see battlefield 5 for a recent one) but DmC might be what started it all. it went kinda like this: fans were pretty disappointed with dmc4. the story was lackluster, full of plot holes and half the game repeated itself. it was obvious it was an unfinished product ala silent hill 4. sales were good because dmc3 was a hit, but people were left unsatisfied and wanted to see a proper conclusion to the story. instead, capcom decided to reboot the whole thing, only, they didn't call it a reboot AT FIRST. they heavily promoted that this game was going to be in the same spirit and style to the previous, which it obviously wasn't. there's also the problem of the new dante. besides the obvious complaints (shitty haircut, terrible dialogue, edgy emo personality etc.) the biggest problem was that he was made too generic. ironically, it was done to appeal to a market that was already over-saturated with generic heroes and wanted something different (which the original dante was). the jokey, cheesy dmc series was likable and easy to get into, while this was serious and grimdark. it made the western developers seem like a bunch of angry teenagers rebelling against their high-strung parents. fans of course responded very negatively to the trailer. dante's hair was one of the complaints, but the above was the main concern. there was nothing to this series that made it dmc other than the name and everyone agreed it should've been a new ip entirely. what the devs did though, was respond with extreme hostility and strawman all arguments to "it's about the white hair!" ("fans hate women/blacks/gays etc". you know the pattern by now) while calling fans childish, ignorant and other names they could think of. the lead dev was the most hostile one, posting comment after comment on social media spitting in the fans faces and telling them to fuck off for not liking his perfect interpretation of the series. that was when the fans noticed something even more aggravating: the new dante looked almost exactly like the lead dev. not only that, the personality was almost the same too. years of character design lead to a self-insert gary stu. fans took this opportunity to roast him with every meme imaginable. the devs finally caved in and changed dante's haircut and body design slightly (you should look back on the first trailer and then the newer one, you'll see what i mean). they too probably realized it was stupid, but they kept their stubborn and nasty attitudes throughout. it didn't help that when capcom stepped in, they too added a layer of spit to the fans faces, telling them to shut it and buy their game because they're stupid and don't know what's good for them. THAT was the point when fans made death threats, and TBH it was maybe 3 people at most. considering the vitriol they sparked, it wasn't that much. i was expecting way worse given how they hated on the fans DAILY for OVER A YEAR. also, on the side, there was the whole "fans are only pissed cuz dante doesn't have white hair" thing which capcom sold to all game journalists talking about the game and was pushed SO hard, they themselves ended up believing their own bullshit. the fandom was already split, some liking this, some wanting to give it a chance, and some buying this narrative and thinking the old fans were just superficial children who needed to get over dante's black hair (which, again, wasn't the focal point of any discussion except capcom's). fans were eating each other every day, the game f.a.q. forums and official capcom dmc forums were lit with fans trolling each other, it was a mess. what was worse was that when the newest trailer came out, it featured the pier scene where the new dante gets a white mop on his head that looked like old dante's hair and he says to the camera "not in a million years". because more fuel to the fire was EXACTLY what this series needed. fans got even angrier and organized a boycott. after even more months of quarreling with fans, capcom got scared and decided to back out. they forced ninja theory to give dante white hair AT SOME POINT, thinking that after spitting on the fans for over 1 year, this was enough to appease them. they actually believed fans cared about the white hair and white hair only. old fans still boycotted this game. what was interesting though, is that they wanted to show they still loved the series, so they decided to buy the remastered dmc3 game and marvel vs capcom3, since it featured the OG dante. it was a less angry way to make a point, and it sorta worked, with dmc3 remastered selling more than DmC. capcom got even more scared by the boycott and announced OG dante hair dlc, with multiple options for white hair for new dante. they really, really believed the bullshit they made up. i don't even know what was going on in their minds and what ninja theory told them was going on in the west, but they did NOTHING to address the real issues and just stuck their fingers in their ears and screamed. so, when the game finally came out, it was....decent. 7.5/10, about. the graphics and story level were obviously better than the old dmc, but the gameplay was below the hardcore button masher that was the OG series. it was missing a lot of key functions, like a lock-on button, no switching of styles mid-combat, far too easy to ace and far too simplistic enemy types. this was because the game dev wasn't very good at doing hack-n-slash. their previous games were NEVER this complex and were more story and platforming driven. more of a prince of persia than dmc. fans probably would've accepted it IF they didn't spit on them for all this time and continuously told them that this was going to be better than anything japan could ever make. the story also had big problems, being a politically driven 14-year-olds perspective on society (big bad corporations and the media is brainwashing you, they're all demons, their wives are prostitutes, fox news is evil, anonymous resistance coups are cool, revolutions fix everything etc.). it was NOT a mature, IMPROVED dmc. it was just a narrative the dev wanted to push out and found a game to do it with. this again divided fans, depending on how much you roll your eyes at superficial social commentary. of course, almost ALL game journalists, INCLUDING jim sterling, made the game out to be perfect, talked about how brilliant it was and (at least jim admitted) decided to praise it just to piss off fans even more for daring to complain "about the white hair". like i said, the game was decent. what the team were good at - visuals and platforming- were good, what they tried to imitate from dmc - godawful. certainly not worthy of all the praise it got. fans started suspecting that journalists were paid off by capcom to give it good reviews to make it sell more (which is now the main controversy with EVERY GAME, but back then gamegate didn't even happen yet). of course, SOME were found to have been paid promotion, and some, like jim, just wanted to dogpile in on shitfest that was the fandom. i'm sure some journalists did indeed like the game for what it was, but the fans didn't trust them one bit at this point. the only journalist that told the truth of the situation was surprisingly a non-gaming related column on a business magazine. he was the only one to write about what the fans problems were in a realistic way and express his mixed feelings on what the game represented as a whole. fans latched onto him like a messiah and got him HUNDREDS of comments. i think fans were at this point, like an abused housewife, crying in a friends lap and confessing her sorrows, happy that at east ONE person understands her. it was sad, to say the least. fans continued to eat each other, some liking the game, some not. most fans though, didn't play the game (i myself watched let's plays of it, and was the first one i didn't get). 1 or 2 people did and listed all the nitpicks they had with it (see the above), haters straw-manning the game (oh the irony) to call it shit based on only these few gameplay related problems (honestly, the story and characters were far bigger issues). fans flooded review sites, giving it a 1 before release, with supporters giving it a 10 to balance it out. capcom already announced a sequel immediately after launch, adding EVEN MORE fuel to this continental-level forest fire. more trolling, more hate, more attacks on each other. complete shitfest. the dmc fandom was NEVER this divided and hateful. EVER. and guess what. all the problems listed, together with supporters not buying it and the western market not being interested in generic looking games like this, lead to very poor sales, about a 3rd below the worst of the series. despite the journalists tongue so far up capcom's ass they came out the other end, fans didn't buy this game. why? BECAUSE CAPCOM TOLD THEM TO FUCK OFF. i didn't see that coming, yup. capcom panicked again and made ninja theory make post-release changes to the game, this time looking at real complaints: lock-on button, difficulty level, enemy weak points etc. and released a "definitive" version of the game very quickly after launch, but by then what was done was done. fans refused to buy it on principle and the game stayed a bomb. capcom and ninja theory NEVER (at least for the 1 year i still kept up with the situation) admitted their failures, never mind apologize for hating on the fans for what were 2 years now. ninja theory suffered all the blame. they lost everything and capcom didn't learn a thing.

[@Mastabacc]

You, my friend, are spot on right. I remember everything exactly like how you said. Reading comments on twitter about the the head guy from Ninja Theory talking shit to the fans. How the fans were getting divided between pure angry and one who thought it was going to be the best game ever. I knew from a fact, that I wasn't going to buy this game new. I waited months until going to gamestop to buy the game used. Played it, abhored it, and returned it within 7 days for a refund. For the game itself, isn't bad. If they would have called it something else, it would have been just an average title. But to stick the DMC theme into it, and then shitting on the fans with that "Not in a million years" phrase, tells me the Devs and Capcom didn't care about the people at all. But what do you expect? Crapcom never cared about the fans. They used to, but no longer. It's about money now and you see that with every big publishers like Konami and (omg) EA.

[@RandomTwat]

Thanks a lot for posting this. It's nice to see some perspective of what was really going on back then. After I've read your whole comment I suddenly thought about "Subhuman"(the supposed Dante's Theme for DMC5) being taken down, a song in which its reception was mostly negative. Maybe Capcom did learn a thing. EDIT: Got the name of the song wrong, sorry.

[@retunaatti1834]

good read

[@Vergil7799]

Exactly. Adding insult to the injury (after the "not in a million" scene), what's with the middle finger at the end of DmC's credit? And if the game itself rebranded as an entirely new game, albeit Nephilim May Cry and used new characters, it might be successful. Few things that I quite fond of from the game are Vergil's outfit and most of Combichrist's musics.

[@mrdelioncourt8226]

I remember that devs twitter posts. He was a fucking asshole.

[@ExpanderDJ]

Had the chance to play this game for the first time a few months ago and I really enjoyed it.

[@DammnDeejay]

I also think this game would’ve Been better received if it came out earlier and not after Dante had already been established *Dante*

[@deviant_ghost]

I honestly wish they would have kept the original concept of Dante in DMCDMC. What I mean is, in the original teaser trailer, new Dante looked like he was even younger (pre-teen), had a raspy voice, and smoked cigarettes. He actually put his cigarette out on a demon's head in the trailer. It seemed like the game was going to have a much "darker" take on the son of Sparda. We see him chained to a wall in a prison with a camera watching him, this angry kid with hot demon blood coursing through his veins. I was actually looking forward to seeing this new angle because, although he was younger, he came off as a much more "rated M" type character. I felt it was going to be a more hard-to-stomach style in regard to violence and brutality. The trailer actually made me want the reboot because I wanted to see where it would go. But sadly, the version we got turned out to be very different. He had a normal voice, was at least as old as DMC3 Dante, and came off like he was trying too hard to be edgy in order to keep up with his red-coated superior version. Not to mention, being chained up never happened and he didn't smoke, also he wasn't wearing the bad ass goth necklaces we saw in the teaser either. DMCDMC wasn't any more "mature" than any of the originals. Where Devil May Cry always felt somewhat like an anime, DMCDMC feels more like an American-ized version of an anime lol.

[@ZeranZeran]

When are they going to understand we want games designed FOR and BY Japanese people!? That's why we get into them from childhood! I had multiple friends even before high school that were playing entire games in full Japanese, buying japanese nintendo DS, etc, just to play their favorite series. They couldn't even read it, but they loved it! I did this with a lot of kingdom hearts content, watching japanese playthroughs of "Final Mix" before it was released to us in America. So cool.

[@thecasualrider2668]

Tbh that prison backstory and that tone would have been more badass with all the smoking and shit I wish they could do another game with that tone, maybe for the fans who loved the new reboot.

[@KyrreEleison]

Thanks for the video :)

[@FourNamesFourEyes]

"He looks like an emo kid. He's probably gonna cry in the middle of a battle." You mean like grown ass men do when they see a chatacter design they don't like?

[@natemakesbeats2138]

All the crying is how the game got called a reboot last minute because Capcom didn't want a bad game in their name... Now fast forward to dmc 5 it's the same playstyle and artstyle as the game that was SUPPOSED TO BE BAD ...

[@Loveafterglows]

@@natemakesbeats2138 I mean, Dmc 5 was just a lot of added story that didn't matter at the end and was made just so they could recycle the Dante vs Vergil theme. Nero is changed but it became just a copycat version of Dante with a inferiority complex. Story wise the game is pretty shit. If dmc 5 came out instead of Dmc: Devil may cry the game would be considered more of the same.

[@Loveafterglows]

@@natemakesbeats2138 dmc 5 is only considered good because the last entry was hated and they took the original storyline 10 fucking years later.

[@jondoe7036]

@@Loveafterglows Say what you want, but DMC5 took what series already had and evolved it in basically every area where it needed to evolve. It gave the series visual upgrade to make it rival any other action game currently out there, had three playable characters, each of whom is mechanically complex enough to build a full game around and weaved together a storyline that wraps up basically all the threads that were left dangling from the previous entries, all the while continuing to embrace the love for the fun of video games as a medium. I'd say it is a competent showcase for why this series became and remains the undisputed king of the character action-genre.

[@soysquid4312]

@@Loveafterglows keep damaging control. Can't hear ya from my 90-85 metacritic points

[@orlandomorales5423]

"It's nowhere as bad as the fandom makes it out to be and it's not as amazing as the supporters make it sound" That pretty much sums up my opinion of this game. I enjoyed the gameplay and the environments but the story was weak and changed too much of the source material.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

Even most of the detractors admit it's not necessarily a bad game, it's a perfectly competent hack n slash. It just happens to share a name with one of the all time great hack n slash games, so it comes with higher expectations.

[@Foxcade]

Now that the dust has settled and 5 is here, that has become the overall general consensus about DmC

[@kingghidorah1212]

Subscribing solely cause your music taste is 🔥🔥

[@darbythegamer5152]

I go trough the 5 stages of grief every time i remember this game exists

[@kilonzok7803]

To be honest, I loved this game!!!! I do not have much negativity to give this game, I hate the dialogue but everything else was good for me, especially the stage design!!! I really want to see a sequel of it

[@tuantrananh4015]

yep this game good but not a good DMC game it would be better if it another tittle, stage design is amazing boss fight is good like the original , stage design is amazing,limbo very creative

[@benekibagaming2573]

Think the combat was awesome, the world design was pretty good and I like they tried something new... I mean I didn't like new Dante or the dialogue but I managed

[@devildavin]

the Dialouge never really bothered me, the swearing didn't bother me, the "fuck you"'s going back and forth felt natural as i can't even count how many times i've seen people get into an altercation and that was what comes out of them. I liked the New Dante, i liked the Design i liked his outfit, no one can make chaps look good, not even Dante. so i'm glad in DMC5 he has a much more simple outfit though i am wondering why Dante looks like Dolph Lundgren

[@williamcronshaw5262]

It's not a terrible game on it's own (although i did have some issues with it), it's just a bad Devil May Cry game.

[@brandenj6512]

All I know is that Devil May Cry 5 is awesome from what I've played so far. That RE Engine really did that game justice.

[@DarkSlayer487]

Regardless if it was Capcom who were "making" NT do these changes, it was 100% on NT on the way that they reacted to the negative criticism. Insulting the established fanbase and mocking the source material is a surefire way to sink your product before it even hits the shelves. For that, they deserve all the hate they get. Maybe not the death threats, but the rest of it is absolutely justified.

[@chevychelios4672]

Calm down, m8. I know how you feel, how the og fans feel. If you play this game, you can see how much this Dante has changed in the end of the game, he got his og white hair and show more mature personality than the start of the game. Don't you think this character development is something?

[@Sora744]

Kevin Lee Dude, no matter how much you didn't like the reboot, Ninja Theory didn't insult you personally. Stop trying to make them into a development team made up of your personal arch-enemies.

[@Sparda_LDK]

I don't think some people are actually aware of what happened during the marketing of this game. Ninja Theory didn't take well to criticism at all. It you thought the game looked a bit clunky, you only hated the hair that's why you complained. If you felt that the control scheme was bad, "you must hate the hair then"! Red and Blue enemies would ruin the flow of combat? "Stop acting like you don't just hate the hair!" It got so bad to where Tameem was attacking people personally on Twitter for finding bugs in the demo and making suggestions to tweak gameplay. So no they don't deserve death threats, but the level of unprofessionalism and immaturity demonstrated by the developers at Ninja Theory was just as cancerous as internet trolls.

[@Sora744]

jameslloyd999 lol Dude someone got petty on Twitter after being trolled by a hater who hadn't even played the finished game yet. I'm not sure if you remember the lead up the release of the reboot but the overwhelming majority of criticism was based on the re-design of Dante (Yes, mainly about his hair). So don't act like Ninja Theory were the ones who started getting petty. They were basiclly harassed for 3 years straight and finally slipped up on twitter. In addition to that, the final game wasn't "clunky" at all, it had nearly an identical control scheme as DMC 1 and the mix-up of Red and Blue enemies made the game harder, not easier, as hitting the wrong enemy doesn't just stun Dante and leave you open for an attack but also kills your Style Rank immediately. Two things that are crucial, to advanced DMC players

[@Sparda_LDK]

Sora744 I'm not sure if you recall but the demo was absolutely broken, which was troublesome because it was released like a month before the game launched, indicating that the release version of the game was likely to have the same problems (and did). Also Red and Blue enemies made what was an easy game, not more difficult but instead more tedious. The control scheme was almost identical to Heavenly Sword, with TWO dodge buttons. Some combat moves were flat out broken, and you could dish out relatively huge damage in a short amount of time (i.e demon dodge + axe smash= Huge damage, unlike previous games which made huge damage moves unsafe to perform all the time). These are just some of the complaints I've seen the community give and for it to be met with mocking of potential consumers is ultimately why the game is a commercial failure and why they released the Definitive Edition, addressing these complaints

[@darbythegamer5152]

Everything about dmc tellijg the same story makes me think about the dante saying "you know how many times i heard that exact same line? "

[@ZeranZeran]

"Skunk hair" made me lose it "YOU JUST A HALLOWEEN COSTUME"

[@YouSoSpice]

I bet Ninja Theory's Bayonetta would be like Yaiba: Ninja Gaiden Z. _And some people would still defend that shit._

[@Changetheling]

Your bet has no wager. Let alone, reason to exist other than fantasy speculations.

[@YouSoSpice]

I wager you'll go on a excruciatingly drawn-out rant about this shitty DmC reboot and how it's better than DMC3 and 4