As a scamera enthusiast, I can say that most of these are basically 10 year old webcams with an extra zero added to the end of the megapixel count.
@hellopsp1804 ай бұрын
SCAMera's
@warmoaran33 ай бұрын
yup. small sensors fixed aperture.. I was given the "camcorder" one, but it has a night shot mode.. guess who has an easy IR camera...
@RichManSCTV03 ай бұрын
Not webcams. Most use 20 year old dashcam chips.
@shsd75793 ай бұрын
i once bought a 4k drone and it was literally just 480p but the file size was 4k lol like you could count hte pixels 💀
@MyoMer-i5e3 ай бұрын
Wait, are there any camera you would recommend?
@nerwin4 ай бұрын
I like how the camcorder said "bye-bye" when it ran out of battery 🤣
@Lemon10.52 ай бұрын
🤫🧏♂️
@martinlima_music4 ай бұрын
When the pandemic hit, I needed a webcam, but even the cheapest logitech ones were over $100. So I bought an Akaso Brave 4 for like $80 and after playing around with settings it's SO much better than most dedicated webcams these days, even the ones that go for quite a bit more. So unless you're using one of the fancy over $200 webcams, I'd say the Akaso would outperform it. This is using just the USB cable and no need for batteries as the cable feeds power to the camera.
@gilmoreskeen12344 ай бұрын
The BIGGEST DRAWBACK for most webcams is the almost obsolete USB 2.0,choppy frame rates and freezes above 20fps.
@KalamazooEAS4 ай бұрын
I bought a Brave 4 about 6 years ago. Love that thing. Came with a lot of accessories and the USB webcam feature was a bonus.
@gitnjur2 ай бұрын
@@gilmoreskeen1234mate USB 2.0 is not the reason, usb 2.0 can handle at least 30mbs. Standard 1080p 30fps video consumes 10% of that even 2k 60fps isn't an issue for usb 2.0. The reason old webcams are so choppy is mostly to do with them not actually being able to record stable footage or most often horrendous af motors in them.
@mangableu3 күн бұрын
I agree, webcam is a scam
@the-creative-block4 ай бұрын
this scratched such a satisfying itch! I've always wondered about these cameras. Honestly... the camcorder is. kind of a vibe!
@FoxTailWhipz4 ай бұрын
They’re all pretty fun to use for the price tbh! It just sucks how misleading the marketing is for unsuspecting buyers.
@Postosuchus4 ай бұрын
Much appreciation for your monetary sacrifice towards testing some of the "scameras" that infest the fake review haven known as Amazon. Hopefully this video gets enough traction for casual would-be budget buyers to find easily so they can be properly informed before dropping hard-earned money on these things.
@krispysox4 ай бұрын
The last one will definitely inspire and end up recording a lot of bad "found footage" movies. :)
@kennethepps34254 ай бұрын
I'm one of those 7k that bought the Akaso. I don't use it outdoors, I use it indoors. I have it on a mount on my sewing table and use it in my streaming setup. In webcam mode, it has a lot less features. But as a webcam it's not bad, I do wish the image stabilization applied as my sewing machine does cause vibrations in the clamp mount. For my needs, honestly, it's great.
@kkfoto2 ай бұрын
I use the Akaso outdoors and snorkeling. It delivers a pretty decent HD video. Fun for a low price :)
@MikeRinz4 ай бұрын
15:16 Surprisingly it's a decent quality 720p 120fps footage.
@Photo_doctor4 ай бұрын
I agree
@mattihp4 ай бұрын
Agreed! It has trouble with the higher rates, possibly because of a very small sensor. But 720 looks quite crisp!
@PinotNoir_4 ай бұрын
yeah, the 4K sucks but the 720p and 1080p is quite good on this cheap action cam
@dwood23424 ай бұрын
I have been in television for 29 years. I was in the analog to digital transition and several complete editing suite revamps. As a video creator I was constantly looking for thibgs , such as plug-ins to create retro looking 8mm footage. The plug-in did somewhat of a decent job but I still vouldnt find the look I was after. One day I bought obe of these 1080p ( not even close) cameras off of WISH. They really are crap. However, the do provide the exact look of an old camera. I used a couple of filters to add a little over exposure. The sightly overexposed look and lack of image stability made the perfect retro beach scene that looked really close to 8mm film from the early 60s. These "fauxPro" cameras are perfect if you're ever trying to build that look without having render times. Try it, you will be surprised
@no.namewho4 ай бұрын
I believe that Akaso makes the best GoPro alternatives for the price. Ive had their action cameras in the past and they all met my expectations. Some models even have almost identical stabilization to the GoPro (by running it thru an app ofc).
@eggrollsttv4 ай бұрын
I owned the Akaso brand before. It is great for those on a budget and those who do not care about audio much. Really great footage underwater and a butt load of accessories.
@hubertthong74054 ай бұрын
I actually use this Akaso action cam on my FPV drones. Decent video quality and weighs so little. Makes crashes a bit more affordable Thanks for the great video
@mjrtmedia4 ай бұрын
i use Akaso's cameras as a gopro alternative. im using the Brave 4 right now to get shots inside of a reptile tank and and another one getting welding footage close up
@jarozehnal26884 ай бұрын
Cool, I had a no-name action camera, and it is very freeing not to worry about expensive gear getting damaged. Honestly, if it has at least 24fps HD and a good internal mic, there is nothing more you need to capture something memorable. I am considering buying the Panasonic V380 just because the constant zooming in and out on random things makes videos so funny to me. Thanks for the video.
@DiamondDepthYT4 ай бұрын
I actually have the Akaso camera! Well, I have the "pro" version, the EK7000 PRO. I bought it to film some rides at Sea World and Six Flags. It still works, and I'm thinking of seeing if I can use it as a webcam now
@urgon63214 ай бұрын
Just get an used Point-and-Shoot from 5-10 years ago. I paid equivalent of 30 bucks for two cameras, one for my kids, and one just for fun of it. And both take decent photos and support at least HD 720p...
@thecapitalg4 ай бұрын
Example?
@jusbubz4 ай бұрын
@thecapitalg samsung dv100/101 for example! i have one and it's HD 720p. i also have a Samsung wb350f and would totally recommend it if you want 1080p!
@matheus2306924 ай бұрын
I have a samsung wb350f that i removed the IR filter to take some BeW IR photos, amazing quality, I must say.
@corkoles4 ай бұрын
So for the Akaso you have to buy the external mic on their website
@justjoshp85814 ай бұрын
i used to own that action cam and i actually really miss it, i lost it somehow. i will say when i used it underwater i never noticed any condensation so i think it may just be a case that varies between people
@jasonholman10114 ай бұрын
I think a lot of people rate these items high because they think they are good for the value, not necessarily that they are 4 star worthy for quality.
@warmoaran33 ай бұрын
people who dont know better..
@scambaitingwithzara19103 ай бұрын
boomers
@account-now-closed2 ай бұрын
Actually no, a lot of those positive reviews are actually payed for.
@kkfoto2 ай бұрын
The Akaso cameras are a good value. They are decent HD action cameras for a low price
@awesomeferretАй бұрын
That's still sad due to the levels of ignorance required to believe this is a good value. A 70 dollar LG V40 from eBay that can do 4k60 and doubles as a high res audio player, THAT'S a good value.
@Shishou_Shi3 ай бұрын
You said the Akaso EK7000 records continuous, right? How about just mounting it with a power cable to a vehicle and record an entire drive with 1080p as a sort of cheap dashcam?
@marko13144 ай бұрын
Thanks for doing this - It's much appreciated and well worthwhile
@Reegareth4 ай бұрын
You can probably find all of these same camera units in budget cellphones.
@purvze4 ай бұрын
100%
@cheshire_Ай бұрын
Yeah, these are definitely just cheap sensors bought in bulk for pennies that are just put into these big housings to make it seem better than it is, but the quality of these still surprised me, I keep seeing these "gopro" copycats at my local stores and I've always been curious about them the fact that the akaso comes with way more accessories than any gopro ever has is wild for $53😭
@haxan_35674 ай бұрын
I bought my daughter a cheapo camera years ago and she really took to it so we got her a better one. I think having a cheap camera is good in situations like that or in situations where you don't mind losing your camera.
@MikeRinz4 ай бұрын
4:10 A what? A HOT SHOE? It has a hot shoe unlike that one camera that costs 1500$...
@JJARCHIE4 ай бұрын
You're dissing the s9 ?
@slampest4 ай бұрын
Tbf that camera wasnt “bad” for 100 bucks. But i mean, i would rather go for a cheap old canon camera still… some of the older used dslr’s are 1000x better at around the same price
@MikeRinz4 ай бұрын
@@slampest obviously, for 100$ you can get a lot of cameras, m4/3 or even something with aps-c sensor like samsung nx or sony nex series.
@iammz814 ай бұрын
Yeah. I would want to buy the S9, but not for 1500. I get the sensor, the codecs etc, but for that camera I would only pay for about 700-800 tops.
@brunof19964 ай бұрын
I was expencting a cold shoe, but it looks like a real hotshoe. I wonder if really works
@photonik-luminescence3 ай бұрын
Great video ! I my self own a 56€ Action Camera and while i finally have a Canon EOS 1100, it still is fun and a generally good camera. There's no stabilisation on it but it can do time lapse (wich looks surprisingly amazing). You just have to not accidentally set it to "narrow" POV as the anti fishing lens just crops the image and you get less quality. I have posted a clouds timelapse short. Thanks for taking your money on these products and review it for curious people or people that want to start photography as a hobby. I got my DSLR to expland my amateur Astrophotography, wich teached me too alot about how cameras work and how to use them (as in astrophotography you tend to use a dedicated camera (essentially, a overpised sensor with q usb port built for astronomy)
@YaYousef54 ай бұрын
This was a really fun video! Awesome stuff. The $53 camcorder was surprisingly decent looking. With a little color adjustment, it would look 90% similar to the Sony footage. That's mostly thanks to your fantastic lighting which affects quality a lot more than people think!
@DarkpawTheWolf4 ай бұрын
I got the 4K version of that camcorder to test for Vine, and it's actually pretty decent. The only real problem with it is that it requires a MASSIVE amount of light. The sensor must be really small. If they put a better sensor on it, it would be a great camcorder. The advantage of a camcorder over a mirrorless/DLSR is unlimited recording time. A mirrorless/DLSR has a maximum of 30 minutes per video, but a camcorder will record continuously until either the battery dies or the SD card fills.
@galaxySM1173 ай бұрын
Finally someone made a video about this. I have been looking and no luck until now... 👍👍👍
@PinotNoir_4 ай бұрын
Akaso, and Brica is a pretty good and cheap alternative to GoPro, the image won't be as good as Hero 4 or 5 but it's good enough as a dashcam, motovlog, and webcam. those cam get quite hot, so i switch the waterproof door with the one that have a hole in it to prevent condensation (it get condensation even if you haven't put it underwater). and those camera is quite a tank too because i've drop mine couple times and even accidentally drop it into a pool without it's waterproof cases and after drying it out for a day, it still work! so condensation is not really a problem :D
@kkfoto2 ай бұрын
In addition to my "serious" photo and video gear, I have one Akaso and one no-name camera that is exactly the same. I've used them for over five years as "dashcams" in my motorcycle trips, underwater, and in all outdoor environments, and they still work well. Forget 4K, of course. The HD image quality is similar to my old GoPros, but the battery lasts longer... So I ditched my GoPro and now I enjoy my GoPoor :)
@tonysutton65593 ай бұрын
I would buy something like the Akaso for an 8 year old child who is interested in getting into using an action camera. They could get half decent results and my £300 Osmo Action 3 would stay safe. If they get really interested I would buy them better kit as they get older. Edit. My cheaper Akaso V50X (which I use where there is a possibility of the camera getting lost or damaged or when sound quality doesn't matter) developed a fault in the 2 year warranty period. After a quick exchange of emails. including a video of the fault,Akaso posted out a replacement as soon as I sent proof of postage for returning the original. I can't praise their customer service enough.
@penboyasgod61032 ай бұрын
*Clearly, the AKASO EK7000 is the best of the 3.* Nice test. I actually ordered this for the same price you did and for the same reason --- a "spare" camera just to have fun with, and also use it as a "test" prior to using my GoPro 9 Black. I'm somewhat impressed --- again, for the price. 4K@30pfs is pretty good -- but quite constrasty. I also have an AKASO V50 Elite and an AKASO Brave 7 LE.
@cf89794 ай бұрын
Akaso cams are pretty decent. Used one as a helmet camera for a while on my honda shadow. The footage was solid but the mic HATED the wind noise and would peak at idle because of the bikes loud exhaust. The one i had didnt have external mic support unfortunately, so now i just use it as a webcam with my dedicated mic as the audio input.
@cloudkat94754 ай бұрын
1:44 are we just gonna ignore the micro sd to full sized sd with 32 gb photoshopped onto it?
@swanseamale474 ай бұрын
Ive seen some of the camcorders with a night vision option. I wonder what the quality of those it. The action camera looks ok for a holiday, where you might not want to risk a go-pro.
@oofingberg4 ай бұрын
guys just buy older cameras. most people dont need 4k images and trust me even a professional camera or an expensive point and shoot from the 2000s is still pretty solid nowadays
@idkanymore33824 ай бұрын
No it isnt
@JayTheComputerGuy4 ай бұрын
@@idkanymore3382yes… they will have significantly better quality. Although I recommend 2010s cameras
@Lgwasherfan56233 ай бұрын
@@idkanymore3382 yeah it is, I have a 2000s canon DSLR camera, takes amazing pictures
@mr.ballez3 ай бұрын
Yeah they are dude,, ive been use a panisonsonic hmc 150 rn for a short film and on the ing that is relatively bad is the screen rez on the screeb part. And mind you you can buy them used for like 750-1000
@geturassupandgogetajob3 ай бұрын
i buy older point and shoots because i like the look
@samnovaxsamnovax95122 ай бұрын
I really would like to see the faces of those who make this!!!!😂😂
@jamesthilberg4 ай бұрын
Best bet is buying a used canon point and shoot or camcorder from eBay. I’ve done it, you get better quality for the $$. Only 1080p tho but that’s fine for quick moment capture. The cameras I got from eBay were the canon powershot sx40 hs for 80$, Canon Vixia HF R50 $90. Not perfect but definitely reliable
@MimicGriphon3 ай бұрын
Going into this, I feel like akaso will rank fairly well, as I've used them before.
@BERSERKTHIRD3 ай бұрын
what did you use to record this video?
@UNSCPILOT2 ай бұрын
I have a similar model of Akaso I got secondhand with most of it's accessories, honestly not horrible for a cheap action camera that might get beat to shit, probably going to keep it on my E-bike
@paulushdk4 ай бұрын
I think the most interesting things are the very cheap action cams. I would use it as a Webcam because webcams are still damn expensive and have a worse quality than the action cams
@thegringobaker3 ай бұрын
Most of these reviews are making me feel ok about the fact that I bought this exact Akaso camera tonight. I've been videoing with my Samsung A42 phone, but it's a practical joker and though it always looks like it's recording, many times it has surprised me with several minutes of missing video. I will not be using the Akaso for the sudio though.
@HelgeTaksdal4 ай бұрын
Seems like the camera audio input was set up to receive a mic level signal and the Røde wl sends a line level output. So it's distorting.
@mohmmedasabbah35334 ай бұрын
Amazing how much audio quality have influence on the video quality nowadays Smartphone cameras are amazing so if you starting up and don't have the money just get a decent microphone and you ready to roll
@jonlouis25823 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking one for the team.
@gazza85963 күн бұрын
I’m looking for a camera to record b rolls and stills for my detailing cars and posting them on insta and Facebook what would you guys recommend I’m by no means a photographer I’m clueless just don’t want to rely on my phone
@martin_the_artist_4 ай бұрын
You are waaayy to kind to these scameras, I hate seeing these all over amazon, and just knowing all the people that have been scammed by them I honestly think you should have ripped them apart. You give the impression that they are OK, when we all know and can see they are complete trash.
@That_Christian_Girl1214Ай бұрын
lol the camcorder is perfect if you are trying to do a found footage film or a “vintage” vlog
@xXVibrantSnowXxАй бұрын
The Akaso is actually pretty good, both performance & price wise, i doubt you can find something like that with such price point
@simonrockstream4 ай бұрын
dystopian e-waste culture
@warmoaran33 ай бұрын
tbf, they have their own aesthetic. I dont feel bad throwing it around, unlike my cheap but still nice old cameras
@Maddin13134 ай бұрын
A Chinese factory worker found an abandoned shipping container full of old webcam sensors, and now Amazon is full of these "cameras"
@Syvre_3 ай бұрын
I’ve been thinking about buying one of those cheap camcorders as a 3rd or 4th POV in a irl video on my second channel
@Smile02-sub2 ай бұрын
IM NOT JOKING I HAVE THAT ONE 0:12
@Ouonic2 ай бұрын
HOW IS IT MAN?
@Smile02-sub2 ай бұрын
@@Ouonic well 😬 it’s bad quality and it broke when I got it
@cairathebest8680Ай бұрын
The way i use the EK pro camera as a vlogging cam on my motorbike helmet and it works perfectly with perfect stabilisation
@ironoreiron4 ай бұрын
Akaso is good tho, they make good budget actually good action cameras
@jessbread46703 ай бұрын
Akaso actually makes decent cameras, the quality is definitely good for its price. And the stabilization needs work. But its affordable and one of the better alternative
@holmes22104 ай бұрын
I think I'm going to nab one of those camcorders or action cameras, I have a dead old sony video 8 camera that I'd like to gut and put that cameras insides into, make it still useful and the footage was surprisingly decent
@sayhowling8 сағат бұрын
bro did it say BYEBYE when u turned it off LMFAOO
@michasreisefieber3 ай бұрын
The only one that makes sense for me is the Akaso Action cam, because I can understand that one wants to take videos in the water or during sports, just stick it on a helmet or on the bike or whatever and don't want destroy the expansive smartphone. But for the other two. Why should I carry around an extra camera with me, when the quality is much worse then the photo and video from my phone that I have with me anyway?
@framerate013 ай бұрын
so i have a gopro now, but before that i used to use the akaso brave 7 (one of their best models lol) and it did not disapoint!
@dpc454819 күн бұрын
Man, i'm so happy I got the akaso over the gopro. I got the early v50x, so it's really, REALLY good. I really want to avoid the gopro and dji for obvious reasons.
@scottcol233 ай бұрын
One look at the sensor on the cameras tells me all I need to know. There is no lens on them just a $3 trash sensor you would find on a $30 android phone. The 4k "Vlogging" camera was just a 1080p webcam being upscaled to say its 4k.
@BunarathFoTo4 ай бұрын
so interesting .. please do about drone cheap too
@DrekiTech3 ай бұрын
From experience, the EK7000 does decent 1080p, even if it is fake 4K (upscaled, mJPG codec)
@ashleyb98953 ай бұрын
is there night vision on the cam recorder?
@FoxTailWhipz3 ай бұрын
Nope not the one in this video, but I checked out another one that does! (The $160 8k camcorder video)
@mr_g0u7am4 ай бұрын
I had a random thought before sleeping,searched for it,found this video just uploaded, is this a sign?
@imcalledmoses4 ай бұрын
Probably a good first time camera for child to practice their photo skills, but again cell cams are next level of competition. Perhaps a cheap surveillance device, 50$... I have tried to previous under water Verizon, but not but not impress. The software is the magic of image capture...
@Iobsessedwithmikapikazo20 күн бұрын
thank for this kind of honest review because I almost bought those "scameras" with false claim and after watching honest review at KZbin I rather bought brands camera from 10+ year ago
@strayiggytv4 ай бұрын
I need a digital camera for taking photos of items to sell second hand and honestly there just aren't many options for poor people. My phone is running out of memory and id rather use a desktop to type out listings so whats the best alternative to these cheap amazon digicam? All the old cameras are either low quality image wise or hugely expensive because of the nostalgia factor and you cant gurentee the sensor won't be going bad on them.
@Ahsanart1104 ай бұрын
Bro just sacrifice his wallet for us to know camera quality 😂
@gabobot2.0853 ай бұрын
6:06 it is camera panasonic lumix the year 2010
@SergeantBrunoExtreme2 ай бұрын
Had that Camcorder thingy bought on amazon. Tested 3 Minutes and sended it back. Its a 480p upscaled to 1080. Useable for small children to play with maybe but thats it. The action cam i use for bike riding and its good when set on 1080p.
@RandomThoughts127Ай бұрын
I'm sorry for the timing on this, but when you want to test the waterproof ratings, you could wrap it in a net or something similar, and then add a weight to it along with a rope and see what you get. It would be interesting to see that in action, but I wonder about the cost of doing so? lol. I love your reviews, man! Thanks.
@emachine3103 ай бұрын
all of these are alright for getting into real basic vlogging in a controlled environment. the action camera is nice. take it out and even if it gets destroyed it was $60ish bucks. Truly one of those you get what you pay for. and thats not much
@Nintendo3dsXLlol3 ай бұрын
3:47 - 3:48 right here i got a nissan ad where the logo lined up in the middle and i was so shocked cus it kinda lined up with the lens 😭
@srmrlr3 ай бұрын
I enjoy letting my grandkids use the Akaso EK7000 and an older Crosstour camera (same shape, size, format) in their waterproof cases. They have yet to make any video worth seriously editing, but they think they are doing something cool... Frankly, the EK7000 isn't horrible, and I use it (and the Crosstour) as "disposable" backup...
@Freddy-ot3dd3 ай бұрын
"Got the user manual but we don't look at those". Spoken like a true man🤣🤣
@ellierami12684 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this video!
@vaanea2904 ай бұрын
you should have touched the lens of the first one. I'm curious if it was glass or hard plastic
@arthurgphotography3 ай бұрын
Just tiny VGA sensors that upscale in camera to try and fool you
@thegreatape1702 ай бұрын
LTT made a video (albeit the video was for scam ssds) about why the ratings on these types of products are so high.
@namanienie1234 ай бұрын
to my knowledge im pretty sure that akaso is a legit geniune brand and although they all made in china they do have some pretty good products
@Felix-mt1zb3 ай бұрын
The third one is basically the same as a wallmart camera i bought. wtf
@MaximilianZ964 ай бұрын
What is the fancy wood tripod you use?
@FoxTailWhipz4 ай бұрын
It’s an ifootage Timberpod 😀
@MaximilianZ964 ай бұрын
@@FoxTailWhipz thx
@CLGFS19 күн бұрын
Akaso is pretty good ngl cheap but pretty high quality and easy to use
@tanishqhooda4 ай бұрын
Would love to see they using Phone Camera modules in the cheap camera
@MarkHarveyArt4 ай бұрын
If I only had a limited budget, I think I'd trawl ebay and look for something like a Panasonic HC-V 130 or 160. The price would be similar and you'd get a far more pleasing result.
@-Gothicgirl-3 ай бұрын
And when you search the sensor on these cameras you see that they have not the MP they say and only expand the picture size. The action came cheap things have most only 8mp max
@buddysadventuregame12554 ай бұрын
To be honest the photos are pretty damn alright, and the video's color and sharpness also looks good for that price
@TomKirkemo-l5c4 ай бұрын
Ok, I guess I'll just risk my Lumix on my hikes. :D
@Ice_likes_planes2 ай бұрын
I love how the first one has a fake lens. Like if you remove the “lens” it’s just a laptop webcam lol
@braylanblack88654 ай бұрын
The 1st camera has a smartphone sensor. Smartphones have had 48 MP since for like 6 years now. I'd be willing to bet that it's using leftover sensors that are out of production. In short, expect worse quality than you get out of a smartphone because you dont have the fancy processor or software here, but you do get the mediocre optics and sensor size that your smartphone has.
@joannesinspirations2 ай бұрын
You make a really good video.
@Protolamna4 ай бұрын
Years ago I had those gopro knockoffs using the Sony chip and they were pretty killer to be honest, at least for less than 50 bucks
@aptgamer22034 ай бұрын
I had to use one of the 4k vloging camera for a project for school
@wnooby26263 ай бұрын
The best way to get the most out of these cheap cameras its to turn to resolution down it should make the picture look 10x better
@mcdugis4 ай бұрын
thnk uuu
@awsof14 ай бұрын
can we get a 50$ budget cameras video ?
@JuanSanchez-ik7wx25 күн бұрын
Some videocams come with a remote which I think is absolutely necessary if you are doing youtube.
@alecbuxton76342 ай бұрын
In my opinion and research before a camera can claim to be 4k it should have an 8mp sensor and resolution setting in its menu the second of which practically every camera Can fill but every camera at the £50 or less range has only 5mp sensor or less if its a even cheaper camera but they Are good for a standard 6 by 4 photo which you only need a 5mp setting for
@Sure834 ай бұрын
7:24 bro got a Xbox live code for 3 days
@SAMIAMFNX4 ай бұрын
finally somebody's exposing these I get so mad seeing them because I know somebody that's not into camaras are going to get one and quit :[